PS3 Faster than Xbox 360, Harder to Manage

Conventional wisdom suggests that the PS3 is harder to make games on than the Xbox 360. Is it? A recent report sheds light on the subject, and GamePro speaks to Sony's dev team for the official word.

Even Sony acknowledges the PS3's complexity while admitting to its development challenges. "There is a trade-off between performance and versatility," said Sony's product development group in an email to GamePro.

"Since PS3's Cell processor allows more features -- better physics, more complex graphical processing, lighting or sound -- there is inevitably going to be more cost in supporting those extra features," Sony officials said. "It's not that PS3 is harder to write for, it's just that you can do more with it.

If a game starts life on PS3, then man-hours per feature or costs related to asset production are comparable with industry norms."

"The 360 is a different machine with good, but lower powered hardware in a different architecture. Developers have to view them as two different machines not as a common platform,"

[rusgreim]

..was a better format and a better machine.

It lost the war because it was too expensive and other technical issues.

Blu-Ray and PS3 will suffer the same Sony-manufactured fate.

-Edit- Lost another bubble to Sony fanfags, oh well. I'm returning the favor.

[SmokeyMcBear]

betamax lost because of capacity. You often needed more than one cassette to fit an entire movie on. CAPACITY, look it up.

[achira]

hahaha, keep dreaming.

[Kyur4ThePain]

Do you know next week's lottery numbers too?
---
I know repeating something over and over makes you feel better, and you might actually start believing it, but seriously.

[VaeVictus]

Blu Ray = not Sony proprietary.

[jaaz]

It was porn that slayed the Betamax beast...

[TruthHurts]

just like CD and DVD right?
Sony knows about format more than you or I.(or peter moore)
remember that.

[540damn]

havent heard that one before douchebag

[HowarthsNJ]

just not for home video in the US.

It became a pro format for many years. Your local and national news footage was captured on Betamax.

It was also the preferred home video format for much of the world outside of the US.

[darkvenom]

you just proved that you're an idiot by the stupidity you said,get a life you little micro fanf@g!

[bednet]

I've seen tapes that they use for commercials and they're still using Betamax.

I work in a building where a major TV corporation has some of it's studios.

[Violater]

Did the makers of Beta max have a beta max 1 & 2 before it to make billions of dollars to back it??
No,
That is even dumber than comparing the PS3 to the Dreamcast.

@3.1 dont be a Di@k head name one developer that said in its first generation of games that the PS2 was easy to develop for, If anything developers say the PS3 is easier now to get into because of the intuitive development tools than the PS2 was in its onset.

[Whoooop]

Pendejo.. de donde eres??

[Silverwolf]

making comments :) De donde son ustedes whoooop y violater?

[snoop_dizzle]

the PS2 was the top dog and wasn't the most powerful.

But hey sony knows how to dominate so maybe they will again. It will just take time.

However, sony has tougher competition this time around.

[Sangheili85]

It was top dog because it was out for so long. Which isn't the same case this time around for the PS3. Now Microsoft copied what Sony did right the first time.

I am a man to admit when i am wrong. Good Game Blood GOOD GAME!

[Blood_Spiller]

The emotion engine wasn't easy to develop for, I remember plenty of developers were complaining then just like they are now.

Here's a quote for you:
""Not only does the Emotion Engine have horsepower under the hood, but its aggressively new, cutting-edge design means that it's going to take a while for developers to really learn to use all that power. It'll be interesting to see if the PC has caught up with the PS2 by the time PS2 developers figure out how to exploit this hardware to its fullest potential."
Taken from an article on IGN - http://ps2.ign.com/articles...
This sounds strikingly similar to what people are saying about the Cell Processor.

[Hayabusa 117]

"It'll be interesting to see if the PC has caught up with the PS2 by the time PS2 developers figure out how to exploit this hardware to its fullest potential."

When will people stop living in the illusion that consoles will out pace PCs? I know this was old, but peoplpe still say simular things today. I am no pC gamer, but I honeslty don't think consoles will ever out perform PCs.

[Raist]

Of course consoles out perform PC.

Give me the price of a PC that could handle Motorstorm or Gears at the same quality level than a PS3 or a 360.

[ericnellie]

I'm not sure how anyone has disagreed with what you said. The PS2 wasn't the highest powered hardware and it led the hell out of the market. That was a time where Sony fanboys would always say "It's not the graphics that make the game, it's the storyline and game play" Now it seems that since the PS3 is the horsepower leader this time around the tune of fanboys has seriously changed. The funny thing is - the Wii hardly has any horsepower and people are buying them like hot cakes. I don't let a company influence what I think are important gaming issues. What's important isn't always graphics, but a balanced combination of graphics, game play, and storyline...that is what makes for an awesome game. I have a PS3 and love it but, in all of it's awesome holy horsepowerness the current software selection is crap:( I know it will get better though and I'll wait it out but, even the greatest fanboy has to say to himself - "I wish things were different" if not I don't see how anyone could want this long "lull" (those are the words that Sony even used) between new games! It sucks;)

[Marceles]

and before that Nintendo was out waaaaaay longer than Sony...Sony wins because they're winners, it's that simple.

[snoop_dizzle]

but pertaining to Nintendo Microsoft and Sony it holds true, and even with your argument, it still holds true.

The PS2 wasn't as powerful, but did a lot better.

[dantesparda]

Amen to that brother, amen! (and Im not even religious! LOL!)

[Sangheili85]

" GamePro speaks to Sony's dev team for the official word." Of course Sony is going to say their a billion times more powerful then 360. I'm not doubting the PS3 or cell but they have been known for talking crap on 360. I believe developers before i would believe something Sony says.

I know both MS and Sony talk crap.. They all LIE!

[snoop_dizzle]

like it or not.

I mean thats what their spokesmen are supposed to do.
Make their product more appealing.

You probably would get a better idea of whats happening from the overall community of video game developers(though they kinda have a similar issue to spokesmen, but less).

[InMyOpinion]

They should have interviewed some developers who work on both platforms. Would have been more interesting.

*edit* If you disagree with my comment you prefer biased bullsh*t before meaningful journalism. Illiterate retards.

[closedxxx]

The PS3 is IN FACT, more difficult to code for than the XBOX360. This was covered in great detail in an article last week detailing the cell architecture.
I know this may piss some folks off, but when SONY says that "It's not more difficult to program for, it is just capable of more" is a complete lie.

The article last week comparing the cell to current processors clearly states that writing code for a machine like the XBOX360 would take significantly less time and code than it would to produce the SAME result on a cell powered machine.

[Fart_Bubbles]

not only does Sony development team give it to you straight but so does Dr. Dobbs(I read his article and anyone that calls him biased is an absolute moron)

"the underpowered 360" = game set and match for the PS3

FLAME ON

[Sangheili85]

FLAME OFF!!...

Could it be that simple? Haha i wanna see the new fantastic 4

[soccerstar]

well not to long ago there was a console called the ps2 and it came out 1 year before the xbox and the xbox was more powerful but guess what the ps2 still outsold it even though it wasnt as powerful, the cheapest console with the best games wins every time

[Fart_Bubbles]

the PS2 and xbox 1 competed in a standard definition world.

this time around you have HDTV thrown into the mix.

PS3 makes HDTV's sing with joy while Microsoft is up to 3 SKU's just trying to keep up.

"the 360 is a great machine for where videogames are at.

the ps3 is a great machine for where videogames are going. "

WOW Truth Hurts, just WOW, I couldn't have said it any better if I tried. Can I make your statement my sigline?

statement of the year my friend, statement of the year.

[Wargasm]

You're and idiot. Every time you open your mouth and post something it always turns out to be the most unintelligible crap i have ever read.

I could really care less who or what you are arguing for... except you just make crap up... its pretty irritating

FLAME ON

[razer]

as you appear whenever you post on this news site?

[SmokeyMcBear]

Dr. Dobbs FTW

[power of Green]

You foolish Sony fanboys holding on to any little fiction as hope.

[tehcellownu]

well its not only sony talkin about how much powerful the ps3 is ..there so many countless devlopers who said it themself..we will see games that cant be done on the 360..count on it..xbots will get owned badly..
@8.1- here a list
Konami-The PS3, he says, is tough to work with, but when they get used to it, the processing power will be far beyond the other consoles.

Sqaure Enix-Nomura stated due to the processing power of the PlayStation 3, players in Final Fantasy Versus XIII should be able to battle in areas with great differences in height just as in the trailer.

Ubisoft-The developer stated that the power of the PlayStation 3 is greater than anything else currently out there. This would likely mean that the developer would highly prefer the PS3 over working on other next-gen consoles such as the Xbox 360, Wii, or even the PC.

Star Breeze-The PlayStation 3 is powerful but
you need to write some very complex code to take advantage of that. Luckily, with having our own engine we've been able to make some technology choices to go in that direction, so we are starting to take advantage of that now. Personally, I think
Blu-Ray is going to be the thing that will make most difference. Since the start of
the development we've been discussing whether or not we will fit the game onto one
DVD, and that is not counting all the bonus materials we want to cram onto the disc.

Factor 5-
According to Eggebrecht, Factor 5 looked at the possibility of Xbox 360 development but found that the PlayStation 3 offered more power.the PlayStation 3's 3.2GHz Cell chip offered more processing power over the other hardware options

Ninja theory-Heavenly Sword is the first PS3 game to really stress the console's much-hyped Cell processor. In Heavenly Sword, the Cell enables incredible numbers of enemies to be on screen at one time. The trick is that Cell treats entire regiments as a single unit of artificial intelligence when they are at a distance; as they draw closer, Cell gradually divides the army into smaller and smaller groups, so they eventually become individual troops with unique fighting styles and tactics.

and there more to lazy to find it..

xbots just expects it to show right away.. but in one year you are really goin to see a difference..

[Sangheili85]

Have any proof on those "countless developers" i remember last E3 hearing a lot of developers talking crap on the PS3.

"At FreeRepublic.com, a thread popped up concerning which console to buy. Electronic Arts game dev Andrew Garrett jumped in, writing:

''Last year, the prediction was that Sony would win the next-gen war, that the PS3 would be the dominant console, just like the PS2 was.

That is no longer the case. The extremely strong performance of the Wii, combined with the miserable performance of Sony has revised pretty much everyone's expectations. Right now, most of us here think the 360 will be on top for this generation, with the battle for second place between Sony and Nintendo (and that's a major shock, as we'd nearly written Nintendo off for the non-handheld market.) Most of us still think Sony will beat off Nintendo, simply due to the older graphics on the Wii, but it's not a sure thing.""

a chat with the Ubisoft development team shed a little light on he matter."All I'm able to say is that we're looking to ship on PS3 as well but we're not having specific content.....we're developing with 360 as our main development platform and porting to PS3 means that there's less memory available for us to use, but we're trying to minimise any drop in quality"..Such comments sugget that the gap in performance between Playstation3 and Xbox 360 is nowhere near as powerful as some would like us to believe and that the console may even be less able than Microsoft's..."

Look the cell is more powerful then Xbox thats a no brainier. But power isn't everything. Time is money the more time it takes to make a game the more money it cost. PS3 is powerful but the 360 is easier to make games for.

[Firewire]

Superior technology requires time for development! Sony built a quality system all around featuring new technology. Something MS knows nothing about.

Microcrap took old electronic parts out of dumpsters and look what you get! Crapbox 360! Poor xbots!

[Sangheili85]

Yeah such crappy parts that are easier to make games on. Cheaper to make, Proven technology. (except ring of death FIX it MS YOU BASTARDS!) Explain why the Wii of all things is the cheapest thing around and it pwns your beloved PS3.

I admit 360 isn't no where near perfect but neither is the PS3

[blackmagic]

Firewire, I have to somewhat disagree with you. Sony is definitely featuring new tech in the Cell processor but Microsoft is also featuring new tech in the Xenos GPU.

I agree with the article that the Cell processor will outperform the Xenon processor but the Xenos GPU out-performs the RSX GPU.

ATI's Xenos evolved upwards into the R600 core which still hasn't hit the streets whereas the RSX is based on the nVidia G70 architecture which has been available for purchase in the pc world for over two years. Also, like it will take time for devs to fully harness the Cell architecture, it will take time for devs to fully harness the Xenos architecture.

Overall, I believe both consoles are fairly evenly matched each with their own strengths and weaknesses.

[tudors]

"So the PS3 is more capable and scalable than its contemporaries, at least in a technical sense. But until developers determine how to harness its power, the Mercedes could be stuck in second gear for a while"

It's untapped and unproven, did the great emototion engine outshine the Xbox? sales wise yes but capability wise no.

[power of Green]

PS3 is all hype like PS2 was its the way Sony markets their consoles and people ofcourse have always backed Sony's claims with statments that never reflect realality. Xbox 1 was more powerful and proved it the entire generation.

[Violater]

Thats not hype huh.....

[Odion]

EXCEPT WE DON'T CARE!!!

God you people are moron's if i freaking cared about the stuff on the PS3 i would have gotten a god dam PS3, If gears is as high as my graphics are going to get I AM HAPPY. The line up of new fun games that the 360 has coming is what makes me a happy gamer, i don't give a flying crap if it doesn't look as nice as the PS3, if the 360 continues to improve at its own pace and my games keep looking better why the hell do i care if your system looks nicer, i am playing the games that are more fun.

SO STFU

[ben hates you]

but for me, i've just stoped believing anything that i hear about their hardware each thing i've heard is diffrent, i'm just gonna rely on games to show me which one is best

[nobizlikesnowbiz]

C'mon fanboys n girls. Stop fingerbanging eachother and see the light.

Sony thought the PS3 was a shoe-in. You can't deny that they came into this race basically thinking that they wouldnt have ENOUGH consoles. Truth is pretty far from that.

EDIT: B4 you try and bash me girlies...I'm waiting for PS3 games too. I'm excited to see new and amazing games just as much as the rest of you. Just stating the same thing that gets regurgitated daily on this site.

[solidt12]

"If a game starts life on PS3, then man-hours per feature or costs related to asset production are comparable with industry norms."

That statement lets you know that all third party games will start on the PS3 and then get ported to the XBOX 360. If they don't then the companies will loose money so that puts them in a akward position. The only other chose is to not develop it on one of the platforms which will also cause them to loose money, so the only logical thing to do is to start on the PS3.

Damn SONY YOU ARE SMART AS HELL FOR CHOOSING THE CELL PROCESSOR. GENIUS!

[Odion]

except dude that companies could just make for the 360 and then they have a PC port right there.

[Maddens Raiders]

"Since PS3's Cell processor allows more features -- better physics, more complex graphical processing, lighting or sound -- there is inevitably going to be more cost in supporting those extra features," Sony officials said. "It's not that PS3 is harder to write for, it's just that you can do more with it."

...I guess it really does hold true? That SNE did make the most beautiful thing in the world. And nobody would criticize a renowned architect's blueprint that the position of a gate is wrong, right? It's the same as that.lol

J/K -- great article though. Great article.

[Xi]

when I see some proof.

[Bill Gates]

Micro$haft will be in some BIG serious trouble come mid 2008.

shyyet, could one of my "One Bubble Crew" buddies cut, and paste the article, and send it to me via PM(private message). I can't get to the source here at work, and I'de like to read the article. Thanks in advance. later

[Hooper User]

-I can't get to the source here at work-

Preschool isn't work.

[PS360PCROCKS]

ok seriously, who didn't know this?

[TruthHurts]

its not even a argument.
but they still do.

[reaperxciv]

nothing new with this...also, still no AAA games out for the ps3 except for RB6:vegas...white elephant

[Xi]

microsoft dev teams are saying the opposite.

[TruthHurts]

your a hater.

@Xi (below)

dude, your arguments are so lightweight its unbelievable.
OK i can tell you this.

Fact:
360 IS easier to dev. for.

Fact:
the easier way i not always the best way.

Fact:
Devs. had alot of problems jumping from 2d to 3d. (no, i`m not talking about 4d.)

the problem is now there dealing w/ trying to create realism, not just 3d. which will take some time getting use to.

my point is.

the 360 is a great machine for where videogames are at.

the ps3 is a great machine for where videogames are going.

@Xi
again your proving my point about how your arguments are stupid.
seriously you should stop now.
you haven`t even said anything back, beside trying to make fun of me.
you real don`t have anything to say do you?

@xi again
"By all logic, video games might go the way nintendo says, less focus on graphics more on innovation."

so are you sayin you cant have good graphics and be innovative.
or
the future is going back to the past.

SO,
are we going to all start living in caves next week too?
or start send telegrams to each other.

[Xi]

this is a sony employee saying that the ps3 is stronger. What did you expect. More 3rd party developers are saying that the 360 is just as strong, easier to develop for. Not to mention, if the ps3 is so much better than the 360, why are sony dev teams saying to develop for the ps3 first, then port the the 360? Because the 360 can actually handle that.

Fact, you have no idea of where video games are going. By all logic, video games might go the way nintendo says, less focus on graphics more on innovation.

Fact, You don't actually know the weaknesses and upsides to the ps3, so what makes you think it's better for where video games are going.

Fact, saying fact in front of opinions doesn't make them fact.

[BubblesDAVERAGE]

We all know this..yet 360 has the games right now so that's the only crticism ps3 faces yet by the end of the year wat can you say then

[Saint Sony]

So, could some PS3 user tell me how does it feel to play those great games that are not possible with 360?.. no?.. ok.

[weekapaugh]

wait, can't be played on which sku of the 360? I mean there is so many I can't remember them all. I even heard a rumor that one sku doesn't have a hard drive. But I don't believe it, no company is that stupid.

[BIadestarX]

Is there any remote posibility "Sony's product development group" would say that the xbox 360 is better on any areas?

Why would anybody take seriously anything said by someone that is 1000% bias?

It may be true that the PS3 has no faults as Sony says... and that it will be the most advance hardware for the next 10 years. but is anyone expect Sony to talk bad about their own products?

[Monchichi025]

"It's all about the Money!!!' It's that simple.

Sure the PS3 could be more powerful, but that only hurts the PS3 in the long run.
1. You see, consumers are forced to swallow that cost in the high price.
2. That in turn has drastically shrunk the PS3's install base. 63K a month?!? That's embarassing!!!
3. To tap that power developers will have to spend more money.
4. Money they will not see back with such an install base!!

you see it only makes financial sense for companies to develop for the 360 as it is cheaper and has a much larger install base. (Easy PC developing is a incredible bonus) This way they increase there profits and isn't what being in business is all about.

STOP thinking like fanboys and start thinking as business people and you will clearly see who has the ultimate edge between the 360 and the PS3. It's very simple.

You see, to tap that extra power you will need to spend more money.

[4me2]

Then, I guess, all devs should turn their efforts to "Wii" - it cheap, easy to develop.

[dork0783]

IM sorry but sony ain't gonna catch up its over think about it.I know more people who have a 360 then a ps3 I only know one person who has a ps3 and thats realy sad because nobody I know wants to get a ps3 they all want a 360. "JUMP IN" sonyfanboys

[Marceles]

that's like saying last-gen, Dreamcast wins at the beginning because you know more people that own one...and people feel the same way about PS3 that they felt when PS2 came around. Sony always makes a major comeback every single time...has anyone been playing video games the last 12 years? Wtf...no wonder why most people that bought the 360 are people that never owned the first xbox, the people that owned the original learned their lesson.

[PS360PCROCKS]

Bro the original Xbox and the Xbox 360 are entirely different, the games already on and that are upcoming by far and away blow anything away from the original xbox. Their is more games, better games, and just an all around better experience minus the crappy quality. Anyways my point is your point is just plain dumb.

[Marceles]

I can see why you would think that way...my point is don't rule out the playstation

[PS360PCROCKS]

and again...um I own a playstation 3 buddy...I made this name um like a year and a half ago after I got my 360...and as I have been on this site for a long time now I am not going to get a new profile and lose all my pre-existing stuff.

[toughNAME]

all sony fans can do now is....
...
..
.
wait

[ch_ymh]

Actually, game developmers should invest much more resources in their games if they would like to use up all the cell's features. One of important problem is that few PS3 players decide to wait a good game for a 1-2 year. Finally, cost and time of prodcuing a good PS3 game result. PS3 has much potential and it depends on how much effort you have put, i think.

[JIN KAZAMA]

NOT possible on the 360. Enjoy your DIRT!! That game cant compare to motorstorms chaotic and physics intensive gameplay, and beautiful graphics that only used about 20% of the SPU's.

Nothing like motorstorm has been created on the 360 as of yet. NOTHING.

Hell, even R:FOM outshines GOW, when it comes to EVERYTHING but the graphics. It outshines it in, number of enemies, the A.I., the Physics, the online play! Only thing GOW is better at is Graphics, and thats because its DARK AS HELL!!!
Come on people, its all over for the 360!!
ALL OVER!

[uxo22]

Say what you want about what games are better, these things are simply opinions base on one's taste and loyalties. Here is the one single defining category where ROF become inferior to GOW......SELLS! It's just like any other competitive thing. It doesn't matter how you play the game, it who gets the best score in the critical category and when it comes to video games the critical score is SELLS.

If diamonds were 5 cents a Karat, would they still be girls best friend. Somehow I doubt it. It's all about the numbers the rest of that crap is just talking points for people needing a crutch!

[TheXgamerLive]

But what do you expect a ps3 site to say.

There going to praise sony's decision to use the cell whether it's a benefit or a true hinderance to develop for.

It doesn't really matter it still plays good games, right?

[TheXgamerLive]

Not faster with gaming computations, but when used as a PC, the Cell is faster definately in mathmatical computations, spreadsheets, practically all office/business functions as that's what it's made for.

[MK_Red]

Stop the hate and flame wars. Both machines are good. Hope they make more games that use full potential of PS3 (And 360).

[Omicronn]

Spoken like a TRUE gamer. +rep

[snoop_dizzle]

positive feedback for you.

[tonsoffun]

How the fook can someone disagree with MK's statement?.

The flame wars here are having a detrimental effect on this forum - there are fanboys posting inflamatory articles in a blatant who's console is best pissing war.

Get over it people, there is more than enough room in this market for all three consoles to do relatively well. And as long as the best performance is achieved from each platform, then I will be happy. Competition breeds innovation or have you fanboys ignored the stagnant Gameboy market a few years ago?

[TheMART]

STOP RIGHT NOW STOP! THE MOST UNBIASED NEWS ARTICLE OF THE DAY!!!

Sony's Dev team says that Sony's console is the best? OMG!
INSANE NEWS!!!

We just got in some balancing news:

MS Dev teams say that Microsofts console is the best! OMG OMG OMG

Super duper Freaking Fony Fanboy news!

Where are the games? Right not on the PS3...

[BRUTUS]

and everyone in here you are acting like 5 year old baby, every player or user of consoles knows about how many years need to develope the one good game xbox 360 launched in 2005 and sony has launched on 2006 so it is normal the ps3 aint have a more good games and xbox 360 have a good games so dont act like dumb man but thik like wise man.
o and sorry for bad englis not a native

[Blackmoses]

oh brother...who rattled his cage?

[TheMART]

@ Brutus,

You proved yourself even dumber then me. NICE JOB

"every player or user of consoles knows about how many years need to develope the one good game"

EXACTLY! So when do you think they started making those games? WHen the hardware was sold? Gears started in 2003, even before the 360 was there. Thus, your logic has a flaw, they started for the PS3 at about the same time as for the 360. DUMB KIDDY

"xbox 360 launched in 2005 and sony has launched on 2006 so it is normal the ps3 aint have a more good games"

Hahaha, you know Sony wanted to launch early 2006 first, RIGHT? THat would be a few months after the 360 at the end of 2005. It's not normal they don't have good games. They had the time when the PS3 was delayed to get moving on the games. YOU'RE DUMB AGAIN

"o and sorry for bad englis not a native"

Mine is neither, but you clearly write like a 5 year old. Try to understand the stuff I wrote above because its true

[kr9091]

Sony released the Dev kits for the Ps3 only a few months before the consoles launch so how could they start making the game years before they get the Dev Kits???? And support your statement with facts please, not just random babble.

[sak500]

FFS can we have some fu@King proof if the ps3 is so almighty powerful. The dev kits had gone to developers 2 years back and still the games look like ps2 games, except for moto.

So u just sit and wait and wait and wait for it to just start burping out amazing looking games itself cuz teh devs dont want to waste their time and money on a console which is at the bottom of the next gen console war, with a hardly a few mil base. And i'm sure quite a few numbers were sold cuz of blu drive in it and those people r not interested in games.

Been sick of the wait and see $hit from sony and its fanbois. Also the recent spate of hype behind the new surprising annoucements coming tom, day after, at E3 07 and E3 08 and E3 09. WTF STFU Idiots once you have anything to prove then show it. All they ever show is f$king cgi and once actual gameplay is shown then u can see the disappointment at the faces of sane users, the fanbois r just so blinded by the cgi that, thats all they see while playing these games.

[Arkham]

Final devkits were delivered in late 2006. Call of Duty, for example, was a premature port developed on an early kit and rushed for release.

While it's not a universal excuse, the lack of widespread access to final devkits severely affected games released between launch and early 2007.

The architectures are so different that we can't yet make an accurate comparison of what these machines can do. The better PS3 titles like MotorStorm and Resistance made scant use of PS3-specific hardware, so we still have to wait a little while longer. Who knows what we'll see? We might just end up with the same end result on both platforms, just by different methods of achieving said results.

Both machines are similarly powerful, but it's going to take some dedicated developers to really make their products outshine competitors'.

Please, no comments about Gears vs. Resistance. The two games are too different in terms of assets and resources (quasi-corridor versus large-scale) to merit an accurate comparison. Anyone ballyhooing one over the other (yes, from both sides) really doesn't have a clue. We couldn't have gotten Gears-level graphics on an FPS like Resistance at that point in time, and you couldn't get the scale of Resistance with Gears graphics then either. These days, who knows. It's going to be a very interesting 2008 for all gamers.

[Rhaigun]

...at failing.

[ASSASSYN 36o]

Wow gamepro has been stirring the 360 vs ps3 pot alot lately. Talk about need for attention.

[OC_MurphysLaw]

Thats all this article is from Gamepro. They know this kinda of "interview" will only stir the pot and get them traffic to read the article and magazine.

It's pointless to ever really take what either Sony or MS has to say about their systems in terms of comparison. Of course Sony is saying they are all that and a bag of chips...of course MS says the same thing. EVERYONE outside of these two companies has said the consoles are similar in power...I will go with their thoughts and not the entrenched camps of Sony and MS.

[gaffyh]

Is it just me or didn't everyone already know this? I could have told you this before Xbox 360 or PS3 were released, because technically (on paper) PS3 is a faster machine, game developers have to actually use that power for the console to do well.

[gunnar2906]

Here is my own opinion.
The programming is my hobby. I have never worked for a software company but I participated in some projects and have my own apps for Win and OSX. They are small utilities and the main reason for me to do was always to get something new and to prove myself that it is possible to do something different way even being a amature. I like pure C and C++ programming, MASM is very nice to design small windows application making the smallest executable size possible. 256 bytes (not kilo or mega) for an application that can open a window with simple controls and some text in it writen in MASM against of at least 1Mb sized exe file created with Visual Basic or C# compilers is a nice brain training challenge.

Unfortunately the time of enthusiasm in game industry has gone. And it happened 10+ years ago. Programs are not valued for perfect code or interesting programming solutions anymore. Everything is unified, counted with human/hour costs, the cost of programming tools etc. Current hardware power lets a programmer forget about code optimization and concentrate ones efforts on the fastest product acomplishment. So handy if you have proven tools and chunks of code that are proven to work properly and written by someone else. Everything must go fast in clean in this case. It is wonderfull from one side but there is a snag here - it is a lazy style - the programmer begins to forget that programming is a creative talent.
It is hard to program for a new operating system as it was for me when i did for OSX. It is hard to break your own style of programming, to use completely new programming environment, to get a new ideology of programming language as it was with ObjectiveC. But eventually it pays. It is tons harder to program for absolutely new hardware. And even more harder to do something for the copletely new hardware archeticture as PS3 is. Developers have to find out how it works, then how it works better and finaly how it must work to be perfect. This requires lot of time even before the first line of game's code written. And imagine there are no tools that a developer is familiar with, no usually used libraries etc. I bet that even the PS3 compiler runs from the command line with 2 hundreds of options. That all needs time, and experience and know-how.
When developers work initialy with hardware creating their own tools and understanding how-this-thing-works-deep-insi de it will take a lot of time. It is bad. But it is not a brick game with some ready visual tools and utilities, game engines like Unreal 2, 2,5 , 3, idsoftware stuff etc. All is going to be completely new and genuine. It is good.
The final result - game - is the most important thing. Only something new may impress us. As it was, it is and will be, starting from Warcraft I or Doom and ending to Endwar or Gears of War. The most other following games are just better or worse copies of the original in every game genre. How much time is needed to create a masterpiece? Nobody knows. Gears of War programming began before XBox 360 release and the game was finished after a year after. But everyone knows now that GoW is the best shooter game in the world and the reason to buy the XBox 360 console for millions happy owners (and me personally). Now PS3 developers are on creative wave and, although it may take more then expected time, they are creating something new unique and I hope wonderfull for us. I bet this time is worth waiting.

Thank you for your attention

[Arkham]

And thank you for that post. A breath of fresh air. Poz to you.

[FirstknighT]

"Gamepro speaks to Sony's dev team for the official word. "

yeah right...the official word coming from sonys mouth. Funny stuff.

[wolfgang]

Remember that official statement about 4d graphics...

[Maddens Raiders]

The PlayStation 3 truly is the system to be placed in the center of the living room in homes around the globe, ... The future is almost here with the PS3.

Well maybe not for you FirstknighT, but I still think it is. Funny and True.lol

Cheers

[VirusE]

Wow the ps 3 is faster and the 360 is easier to make games for; welcome to a year and half ago. Why does this crap keep coming up over and over again. I am still not sure what that has to do with how fun the games are.

[razer]

Flamebait article. Would you expect the Sony Dev team to say anything other than "our product is superior". Well I've got an article from the Xbox dev team that says the 360 is more powerful. Oh yea that's right its Sony, they never lie about anything..pft I think all the experts say otherwise and that the machines are basically equal in power, each has area's they excel in but both also have bottlenecks. Just as long as the games are good I could care less.

[Covenant]

Programming directly for the Cell takes more time and effort (read: $$$) so that may scare off devs. Conversely, the 360 is much easier to program for, but ports from the 360 to the PS3 have to be altered for its unique architecture (at a slightly increased cost, if I understand correctly). But ports from 360-PS3 haven't turned out very well for the PS3 version, either.

No wonder devs seem unwilling to comment on this matter.

I do have one point to make, however, and it's the equivalent of high octane gasoline in this flame war:

Even when a game is built from scratch for the Cell (as Sony says is the ideal) things haven't quite worked out as advertised. Look at Motorstorm: 1080p was promised, but not delivered. The game looks great, but some of the earlier videos turned out better than the actual gameplay. Many promises, but not all delivered. (That's true of a lot of games, however).

Is that the Devs fault, for not being able to utilize the Cell properly? Or Sony's, for making such complicated and difficult architecture?

OR, given a year or so, will devs figure out the Cell, and show its promise?

Before you flame me, remember that I'm also critical of MS and the 360, primarily for their poor quality control.

I'm trying to make a valid point. Flame-free, non-fanboyish answers will be appreciated.

[THAMMER1]

You make clear since.

Sony says ports do not work.

Games from the ground up Motor storm, R: FOM and others still do not hold up to what Sony says is their hardware can do.

This is a $#!TY topic all together.
It's like that funky @ss ex-girl who always feels she needs to explain why she doesn’t stack up. You would rather she just STFU all together.

[gunnar2906]

Well ....
Why Cell architecture is so complicated...
Gaming console ideology quite differs from PC one. The XBox lesson didnt teach MS anything - a console hardware cannot be built the same manner as PC hardware. Look at todays articles - the newest NVIDIA mobile (!!!) GPU renders better graphics then Xbox 360 does. It is not a rumor it is officialy anounced by NVidia and they must have reasons to make so loud statement. It means that top GPUs increases their power much faster then projected lifetime of a console generation. The graphics card that was bought 2 years ago is not capable to render the maximum graphics in the recently released PC games, and 3 years old card gives a total sh!t.
That is why Sony didnt use an ultra-modern-light-fast graphics chip in PS3, making it work almost only with textures and texture shaders. It is a fact. It is Cell that is responsible for the rest of graphics work. Will it give PS3 advantage? Probably yes cuz Sony designed PS3 as GPU independable as it was possible.
Is it harder to program? Absolutely. Is there a reason to work harder for PS3 software? Yes cuz PS3's officialy anounced lifetime is up to 10 years. Is there a reason to belive that? Yes cuz ps1 was released at 1995 and had titles until 2005 for 10 years, PS2 is already 7 years old and will have new releases untill 2009 while XBox 1 has already died at the age of 5 years.

[ApocalypseShadow]

sony said 1080p is possible.that 120fps is possible.devs have to attain it on their own.

it doesn't mean standard for all games.

but so far,games are starting to hit 1080p more often.don't hear that with 360.second,the PSEYE hd camera hits 120fps in one mode.i wonder why?

this is a response to covenant.

[Covenant]

http://www.1up.com/do/newsS...

http://kotaku.com/gaming/mo...

http://arstechnica.com/revi...

http://www.ps3forums.com/sh...

I have more, if you need.

[gunnar2906]

does motorsport prove everything?
if you didnt get 1080p@60fps boastfully promised by a boasfull ameri... oops .. developer and you got soooo disapointed does it prove that everything that Sony says is BS and lie?

[Evil Rant Monkey]

like video games

[THAMMER1]

They make it seem like they are going to break it down in a specific or technical explanation. They just say the PS3 is more powerful but they do not say why. They constantly say the PS3 has more power and needs more man power but...COME ON MAN!!!! Why do the games not stack up? I'm sick of half @ss promises and cloudy answers to specific questions.

[dissectionalrr]

isn't sony kind of shooting themselves in the foot with those statements? historically speaking the fastest, most complex consoles have never won a console war. ps2 over xbox, snes over genesis, everything over 3do, the list goes on and on.

[funkysolo]

I just don't see how people keep arguing that the xbox is as powerful as the PS3. I got my xbox360 on launch and it took 7-8 months for all the good games to come out, so let's wait and see what the PS3 has to offer come september before you all go and right it off. Gears of war is the best looking game on the 360 and will be for a while, but the PS3 every first party game coming out this year has surpassed Gears of War graphically. The 360 is going to have a hard time selling more consoles till they address the faulty system and redesign a new xbox.
No body wants to buy a system if they think it's going to break and the word of mouth gets around real quick.

[THAMMER1]

With in the first 5 months you had COD2, FIGHT NINGHT R3, GRAW, PGR3, and others.

Sony has FNR3, and VF5. But to be fair none of the games that made it worth it were 1st part block busters they were just games to get hard core gamers involved and spending money.

[FFVIIFan]

It does quote a Sony dev team, so I understand about being weary as of to what they have to say. However, it does also quote a recent article on the Dr. Dobb's webpage, a much more credible source of information. There is an actual link in on the word "report" for anyone who missed it to take you to the Dr. Dobb's anaylsis. It is much more informative and goes in to all the techinical goodness that you may be interested in.
Before I talk about that though, the Sony dev team did say one thing I completely agree with. "'Developers have to view them as two different machines not as a common platform,' concludes Karraker." I think developers are really feeling the pinch when it comes to developing next-gen games, and instead of being simply able to port as they have in the past, they essentially have to recode for the other system. Does it suck for them, yes. Is that Sony's fault, no. They developed a product that is a beast of a machine. I'm not saying its better than the 360, I don't want to get into that argument, but it is top quality. When you look at the radical nature of the Cell, and the unique structure of the 360's GPU, it becomes easy to realize you just cant copy and paste this stuff. It's copy, paste, and then major editing.
Other than that comment though, don't think too much about what the Sony dev team says. The Dr. Dobb's is much better. Whatever you think of the PS3, you can't argue that the Cell isn't impressive. It truly is the next-gen CPU. Here is a quote from the Dr. Dobb's page.
"On a Pentium 4 HT running at 3.4 GHz, this algorithm is able to check 24-million edges per second. On the Cell, at the end of our optimization, we achieved a performance of 538-million edges per second. This is an impressive result, but came at the price of an explosion in code complexity. While the algorithm in Listing One fits in 60 lines of source code, our final algorithm on the Cell measures 1200 lines of code." You can see the actual 60 line code if you visit the page.
So there is a trade off. There is a huge, undeniable, performce increase. But that comes at the cost of 20x the code and work. But really, I think developers will get used to it. Just like the industry hated working with multi-core processors when they debuted, they hate working with the Cell. They'll get used to it.
So really the GamePro article is a teaser. Read the Dr. Dobb's page. It's GamePro putting the "who is better" spin on an article that is really just an analysis of the Cell. Of topic, I'd love to see the Cell paired with the 360's GPU. Now that would be awesome.

[Kastrol]

with articles like these people like theMart come out of the wood work

[wii on your face]

Its hard to manage the price of $600

It's hard to manage retarded games

It's hard to manage thet it will fail miserably

[ApocalypseShadow]

"the 360 is a great machine for where videogames are at.

the ps3 is a great machine for where videogames are going. "

kudos!

the thing this time is that ps3 doesn't suffer from graphics like ps2 did against xbox.games look just as good if not better looking with more time invested.and it has:

a built in hard drive as standard
more space with bluray
a faster cpu

what sony devs and dr. dobbs are saying is that:if you port from 360 to ps3,it will be sloppy.but if you downgrade from ps3 to 360,it will benefit both systems.devs can just scale down the game to fit on 360.

360 has:

less processors at 3.2ghz(360 has 3.cell has 8 counting ppu and excluding one spe)
no standard hard drive
less space for game content

it's just better.ps3 was built a after 360.so it's bound to have more advantages.to not see the truth and talk about other issues is to lie to oneself.

[Bloodmask]

to be forced to try and code on a processor that excels at HD movie playback(Blu ray), and sucks for gaming applications.
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Qoute from engineer: "The Cell processor wasn't designed for gaming, just ask IBM."
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Kutaragi tried to interest Jobs in adopting the Cell microprocessor, which is being developed by IBM for use in the coming PlayStation 3, in exchange for access to certain Sony technologies. Jobs rejected the idea, telling Kutaragi that he was disappointed with the Cell design, which he believed would be even less effective than the Power PC.

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It's not coming to the desktop market and was never meant to. There are a lot of architectures that are designed just for networking, database, and server requirements. The Cell is one of these.
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Sony found out the hard way it sucks as a general purpose cpu. They were only banking on using the cell by itself to do all the graphics processing like they did with the emotion engine in the PS2... they got 75% done and went 'Crap this thing sucks at this' and had to slap on the nvidia gpu.
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The Cell I believe, is over-rated. Most of the processors that IBM releases are targeted towards the Server end of the market and not for the general consumer. The Cell processor is a great idea, but general purpose processors like the Core 2 Duo and AMD Athlon X2 i believe are faster the the Cell processor
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The "mighty" Cell - blown away by nVidia
8th December 2004, by Paul, 372 words, 134 views
Categories: Gaming, Technology
We all heard the talk, that the Cell processor would wipe away all before it. Of course anyone with any knowledge of this kind of technology would see it for what it is, more Sony bullshit. Remember the PS2?

1000 times the power of any PC. 66Gb/s of memory bandwidth. Toy Story graphics in real time. And such & such.

The same kind of outrageous claims were made with this Cell processor which is developed by IBM, Toshiba, and Sony. They claim this to be completely "revolutionary". It's not, you can clearly see it's relation to the Playstation 2's processor. In that it's basically lots of weak processors bolted together, the fundamental reason the Playstation 2 is so insanely difficult to develop for and why developers are dropping it and shifting focus to the Microsoft Xbox 360. Which like all Microsoft platforms is notoriously fast and simple to develop for. Allowing developers to spend more time creating decent games instead of struggling to try and get their software to even work.

Just days ago the official press release about this Cell thing was released. The Sony fanboys started cheering, I guess they just never learn do they - and what should happen just yesterday? nVidia released a statement saying their graphics processors would feature in the Playstation 3 and other Sony products.

What happened to the mighty Cell? Sony now have to back-off saying the Cell is not all mighty, and require a seperate GPU to handle graphics, yes it's 1000 times more powerful then any PC today, right that's why it can't perform GPU-like operations on it. They need a PC manufacturer to remotely stand a chance of coming up with a better graphics processor then their extremely lacking PS2. The hypocracy! Just a few years ago they were blasting the Xbox because of it using PC hardware, it featured an nVidia NV2A chip (which at the time they seemed to think was a bad thing). Of course nVidia have since been replaced by ATi, as the performance/quality graphics leader of the PC market, ATi winning the contract to develop the GPU for the Xbox 2, which they have now completed.

Sony are still lagging behind. Good luck with your Playstation 3, you're going to need it.
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Word of advice Sony. Next time put games first and not your overpriced new media format. Then developers won't complain about how hard it is to get games to run well on a Blu ray player.

[kornbeaner]

If the PS3 is so weak, why are games like Oblivion & NBA,NHL,MLB 2K7
visuals on par or slighty better then those for the same game on the 360?????

Time! All these developers put time and effort into making sure that there version of the game for the PS3 ran the same and looked the same (sometimes slighty better) This article whether you want to believe it or not confirms what those games have shown. With the right amount of time and effort any game can be made to look better and run better then those found on the 360. Yeah some games when ported have looked like utter SH1T but that falls on the shoulders of developers. If they feel proud of the work they did on that port and you don't like what you see blame the developer not Sony.

Take the 360 for example, if you get the red ring of death you don't blame Best Buys or Circuit City do you?

No you blame MS for releasing that product. Its the same with games on any system. You can't blame Sony, MS, or Nintendo for the game on their (unless they are 1st party games) system, you blame the developer for putting out that garbage.

[FeralPhoenix]

....is that there's a possibility that the console they love is not the end all be all of gaming and the other console might have something better.

"Developers have to view them as two different machines not as a common platform,' concludes Karraker."

Yep, through all the BS, this is the bottom line. The hardware itself is so close its not really a big factor in determining which console will have better games. The quality of the games will be decided by the talent of the dev's and their experience with the consoles....which means BOTH consoles games will continue to improve. = "Fanboys worst nigtmare"

The Cell is a great piece of tech, I've read more than my fair share of tech analysis about it, but complexity is not the same as SUPERIORITY, -yeah maybe in "benchmark" tests or lab studies, but what if that doesn't translate to anymore real world efficiency than other CPU's when applied to games. Its almost like race cars; Of course a high end Drag Racer would crush a high end suped up performance built race car head to head on a 1/4 mi. straight track, but if you "take it to the streets" or any versatile/demanding/fun RACE TRACK= Gaming Environment, then for all the Drag Racers top end Horsepower it will never ever beat a Performance Built Race Car. -So the Cell is great but what if it just makes the PS3 more like a "Drag Racer" as oppose to the 360 being more like a Performance Built Racing Car? When will we see the SUPERIOR power of the Cell? -I know, I know "Wait until....[insert *new* future date]" -Hey believe whatever you like but the xbox "showed" what it could do day one. = "(Sony)Fanboys worst nightmare"

Now as a owner of both consoles I say this not to insult the PS3, but the constant "my hardware specs are better than your hardware specs" is very old and tired. -The point is the hardware itself is NOT going to be a significant factor in determing the best games its a question of will the dev's deliver or not? The bigger question for any Gamer who will only purchase (1) one console is: WHICH CONSOLE OFFERS MORE GAMES AND CONTENT THAT APPEALS TO ME? ="Fanboys worst nightmare"

[Silver360]

That the PS3 can't handle corners? lol

[Why o why]

Why bother. if this type or article is becoming annoying leave it alone cause you dont need the points. Yeah yeah i know you have all systems but to me that means nothing. You are anti sony in terms of good news no matter where it comes from. Like your the older brother there to keep all us excited fanboys in check because you have them all. Yes i am calling you a 360 fanboy and am so supprised that people cant see this. Yes you make good points but so do politicians and you dont wanna know what i feel about them.

[FeralPhoenix]

Well I'm assuming your comments are directed to me. OK so at any rate first of all I only own the 360 and PS3....not the Wii. I definitely agree though that owning all the systems does not automatically make you "non-biased" or even NOT a fanboy, actually I think there are plenty of PS3 fanboys who brought a 360 and vice versa, if nothing else just as a bragging tool so they can tell everyone how "terrible" it is. As for me although I think the PS3 is great, I definitely prefer the 360 over the PS3. I don't know how much more clearly I can state my preference than I have already said so many times on this site, so if according to you that makes me a 360fanboy then so be it. -lol

I could care less if YOU or any other member feels that way.....I don't go around bashing the PS3, but of course I do counter alot of what I "think" is BS from Sonyfanboys towards the 360, again if that bothers you or makes me a 360fanboy then tell the world, -I care not. I will however continue to speak my peace, I won't change in the slightest....as you said I don't need the points, in fact I don't care about the bubble system everyone's always crying about: "Who took my bubble?" blah, blah.....I say if you really "believed" what you say is legit and sincere then losing a bubble is like confirmation that you're right and giving your honest opinion should always be more valuable than a bubble or hurting fanboys feelings.

You of all people calling me a fanboy or a politician is just comical, why cause I don't think PS3 is superior to 360? I don't apologize for any of my comments, I challenge you to show where exactly I'm attacking Sony, usually I'm just countering some misleading statements or just plain BS I heard from some Sonyfanboys that I believe is incorrect....of course my counter arguement could be wrong, but I leave that for the reader to decide, either way I think my posts only bother Sonyfanboys who's agenda is to discredit the 360, so I could care less if YOU don't like what I have to say.

[ApocalypseShadow]

people judge ps3 on it's first 6 months.but they don't judge 360 on it's first 2 years.

in 2 years,one really detailed(but washed out and short)game.

as for covenant,the guy spoke off the hip at CES and wasn't thinking.but you still didn't find ANYWHERE an article that says evolution was gunning for 1080p at 60fps(no blogs,no articles by evolution).but for a launch game,it does more than any racer on 360.

covenant,
see any physics like motorstorm when things blow up?
see any deformation like in motorstorm?
see any detailed games like in motorstorm?
online play for 12 players?

ALL AT THE SAME TIME?

do you see power of green shutting his face about grand raid offroad after motorstorm came out?now he holds onto dirt.

do you see more games coming out on ps3 that are 1080p at 60fps?
did RR7 come out the gate at 1080p at 60fps?

as for bloodmask and the lies,
if cell wasn't capable of doing games,we would not see any on the market now.and we sure wouldn't see games like heavenly sword and uncharted in the future.keep lying to yourself.

[gnothe1]

shadowgamer come on dude, nobody ever said the cell couldn't do games, they just said it wasn't the BEST for games!! an as far as the 1080p thing goes, that was ALL SONY, they were the ones trying to use that as an advantage over the 360, they used it a a high selling point to make there system seem superior.

from my knowledge of the calender the 360 hasnt been out for 2 years either. its a year an a half.an you guys say the PS3 has only been out 6 months, its actually been almost 8 months.

regardless of what any of you sony boys think both, systems are actually about the same!! its not leaps an bounds better than the 360 as sony said it would be, an as soon as you guys except that the better this site will be!! you guys can also brag about future games in the works for the Ps3 (HS,Drakes) all you want, but until the PS3 has a game that looks better than the 360 best looking game theres no way you can label the PS3 as the best graphical console this generation!!

[WilliamRLBaker]

tiping a story then writing the news about that story...

[Armyless]

Can we get SOME games now? Why do they think we only play games at Christmas?

[Sully907]

It seems to me that 360 fanboys are feeling threatened that games coming out 1 year into ps3 lifecycle are surpassing 360 2 year lifecycle games.

[HokieFan]

Just out of curiosity, which games are you referring to?

[CrazzyMan]

haven`t heard about this nothing...

[felidae]

the whole discussion shows that there must be something special about the ps3.

i still don't get it why everybody has to bash the other ones system. back in the days it was all about the games ... i had a snes and my friend came over with it's master system and we played together and had much fun. today it's more like: my console is better than yours. but for what? just that everybody knows that you have another opinion? coool.

play games. not consoles.

[JasonPC360PS3Wii]

It's been like what 3 yrs now and this same argument and it's always from the PS3 side. "The PS3 is Faster" but all the games on the other "not so faster" console look better on first party and "PORTS!" Now you PS3 fans may hate me (I don't care) but it's not a lie when 360 fans bring up Gears, Halo, Too Human, Bioshock and Mass Effect looking better than anything found on the PS3. Then look at the ports they are 9 to 1 in favor of the 360. So what will be your reponse the "PS3 has had less time to develope" 6 months that was the original differance in release dates ("6 months) "well the devs are lazy thats why ports look like crap" Thats a good idea call the guys that make most of the video games "lazy" (thier third party they pump out more games in one month than first pary does in one year) You PS3 fans aren't you guys tired of alway being on the defence? for what to defend Sony's big lieing mouth? Why can't you guys just stop your crying and whining for a day or two? Just shut the hell up for a while, so the PS3 isn't the powerhouse the PS2 was "GET OVER IT!" Now you know what it feels like to be Nintendo, Sega and the first Xbox in that third or second place spot. (GET USED TO IT) The Sony PS2 crown has now been removed and is now up for grabs, better luck on the PS4 Sony maybe you will make that one about the games and not about Blu-Ray 2.

[ThaGeNeCySt]

well don't tell me PS3 is faster and waayyyy more powerful than the xbox360... use your software catalog and SHOW ME... i can care less about numbers, i need the visual proof

[techie]

Good for you. But something tells me that eyes will still be closed to it. There's something about a fanboy (not referring to you) which makes games on an opposing system look worse, and games on the owned system look better. It's almost subconcsious....a natural reaction.

Very strange.

[techie]

Double. :)

Strange indeed...psychological research needed.

[CrazzyMan]

just less then 4 weeks left. :)

[DirtyRat]

Another waste of time article

[bluebrad1974]

The comments from this article were taken from David Karraker's blog. Guess who David Karraker is? He is the head of Sony's PR department. This would be like Major Nelson stating the 360 is superior.
Here is the link to prove it.
http://blog.us.playstation....

[apocalypse]

the reason ps3 as many of you may now is that fact of what it has got more features, yes it may have more features but i have seen both of the console (ps3/xbox360) and the only real big diffrence is the features and bluray on the ps3 there are more features but so what not alot of people are going to pay the extra for features and blu ray as is being shown world wide if you want a blu ray then buying a ps3 can be cheaper in some cases but not alot of people will the main things that people look for are graphics game play and sound witch as i have see ps3 and xbox dont seem to have a lot of diffrence between them and if you need a blu ray or a hd drive u can always get one for your xbox i mean i have seen now lots off shops starting to drop the prise of the ps3 so that people will buy it and in some cases have had to drop it more because there still not selling.

[Rims]

Old news? we already knew this.

[VirusE]

Dang, I’m late to the flame war! So, where we at, who’s winning? Oh wait I forgot it’s not possible to win a discussion like this since its all "opinion" anyway.

[nobizlikesnowbiz]

Its a stupid flame-war. Theres no point and no terminus. It'll just keep perpetuating itself like a bad case of the herpes.

[VirusE]

:) Well said