Bungie reconfirm Halo Reach trailer uses new engine

The Lost Gamer writes "Bungie have today released information regarding the Halo Reach trailer, mainly providing answers regarding whether it was an actual representation of how the final game would look. "

[Mildrop]

Good to see advances with new game engines for the current console generation.

[thereapersson]

Most of these trolls aren't even going to play the game. Bungie received flak last time around with Halo 3's graphics, and they took those complaints to heart, thus creating the new, updated engine that we see here. I think it looks pretty good, and I'm sure the game will sell millions. No need to be insecure about anything, especially because it's already been established by now that the PS3 should provide you fanboys with something to play.

[starchild]

Greywulf talking out his you-know-what again, so what's new?

You are full of crap about all of those games, so you are obviously off in la la land.

Gears of War by itself has better graphics than about 98% of all multiplatform and exclusive games, so what really is your point?

Halo 3 didn't run in full 720p? So what? Neither did MGS4 and PS3 fanboys talk like that is some amazing looking game. The reason Halo 3 didn't run in 720p is because of the extremely advanced high dynamic range lighting that it used, not to mention the expansiveness of its environments. It was doing a lot that other shooters don't do. Killzone 2 is extremely linear in comparison and couldn't even manage a co-op mode.

[Saaking]

Excellent news. Good to know.

[starchild]

Oh please, just stop, Greywulf. You are making yourself look like an idiot.

Kane and Lynch now supposedly looks better than Gears of War 2? Ha ha ha don't make me laugh. What's next, are you guys gonna claim that War Hawk or Resistance looks better than Gears of War 2?

Look, buddy, I don't know how to break it to you, but the only two games that you could even make an argument about looking better than Gears 2 are Uncharted 2 and Killzone 2. Everything else on PS3? Don't make me laugh.

[Veneno]

@ Grey

Yeah, I still don't know how anyone can get excited about an extremely uneventful cut-scene. Or, is Halo 4 turning into a TPS of some kind? Maybe an "interactive movie" of some kind? It's going to be a huge let down when the game releases. Comparing it to MGS4, UC2, KZ2? Shoot, Bungie's gonna have to deal with God of War 3, GT5, Heavy Rain, Last Gaurdian, PLUS PS3's unannounced fall line- up! In all honesty, Halo just doesn't stand a chance graphically to the PS3 giants.

[likedamaster]

Get a life Greywolf.

I particularly like Halo 3's style and graphics. Not Gears caliber but then again, Halo 3 looked great in screenshots taken from in-game. And all the features Halo 3 had more than made up for the "decent" graphics. Till this day, no other game has the playback functionality that Halo 3 has. I am totally satisfied with Halo 3. With that said, bring on that beast Halo: Reach.

[4Sh0w]

Reach looks amazing, end of story, its likely going to be the biggest game this year, either way its just a game, sometimes I think we forget to just enjoy our games.

[RememberThe357]

Since you think that your owning GreyWulf let me clear some of those statements up. He was obviously asking what you meant when saying, "Gears of War by itself has better graphics than about 98% of all multiplatform and exclusive games." He wasn't say the Cain and Lynch looks better then Gears2, but asking if you were referring to C&L or Bioshock type games.

I'm having a hard time believing that you completely missed his point, and it seem like your trying to discredit his argument by ignoring it and trying to make him look stupid.

Even though his tone is rather hostile, he make some good points about how well Killzone 2 run online and how Batmen: AA has passed Gears 2 visually.

@below: That is a good point, I'm not trying to say that Batmen:AA is vastly better looking--or even better looking in general--but that it seems to do some things better. Being that it is a multiplatform game, that is pretty impressive.

[Pistolero]

I don't think Batman AA looks better than Gears of War 2...I think it is the other way around....Batman AA doesn't run quite as smoothly as Gears 2 and the textures and other effects aren't quite on the same level as Gears 2 either....but it makes sense because Epic know their engine better than anybody.

[we won]

It looks better than anything on PS3 Now go, your damage control is pathetic.

[IdleLeeSiuLung]

"As for whether this can be what fans can expect from the title when it releases next year, they continue “This trailer absolutely represents our visual bar for the final game and is near identical to what you’ll see next Fall. The single biggest difference between this trailer and the final game will be the extra generous amount of anti-aliasing (the smoothing of “jaggies” or edges of pixels) present in what you’re watching right now but rest assured that Reach will be significantly improved in this department compared to Halo 3."

I'm so looking forward to 2010! We start off with Mass Effect 2 in Januaray, then Splinter Cell:Convcition in February, then FFXIII in March, then Alan Wake in May!

Just enough time to catch a breather and then the biggest bomb of the year, Halo:Reach!

That's not to mention other multi-plats like Lost Planet 2 and Bioshock 2. Not to mention Natal! That is like the best gaming year!

[heroprotagonist]

2010 is shaping up to be a killer year indeed and it is starting it off with a bang with Mass Effect 2 and then ending with another huge bang in the form of Halo Reach.

[heroprotagonist]

Hey guys, remember those leaked screenshots? Well, I think they compare pretty well to what was shown in the trailer and really show promise for the game. It looks like some of the landscape textures and geometry were just placeholders since it was an early build but you can clearly see the jump up in graphics.

http://kokugamer.com/2009/1...
Check out the gun model. Looks nice.

[Shepherd 214]

My bad, i forgot graphics make games fun, guess i never had fun with halo 3. sorry bout that, i really am.

[DelbertGrady]

As a reminder I'd also like to reconfirm that it will be the biggest FPS of 2010. Just so you know ;)

[beardpapa]

I agree with Soda. When Reach lands, definitely will be the biggest fps in 2010. Can't wait to see badass skull spartan in action.

[bjornbear]

yeah lets just assume that without knowing what OTHER games are coming out in 2010 =P

presumptuous fanboys -_-

it will be huge...but biggest? Lets wait before some of us look like fools ;)

[trancefreak]

I wonder if bungie is using halo reach game engine for other xbox games after they are threw with halo reach. Im sure its their tech to be used im assuming.

one thing that really impressed me was the metal objects in the trailer. From structures armor and spartan gear looked really nice and clean.

The leaked footage with the gun gameplay looked nice as well this game is looking sweet.

[bpac123456789]

There was nothing overly impressive about the halo reach trailer. I've seen everything that "trailer" did done much better in other games during "gameplay." The first time i saw it i knew it had to be in game because it didn't look good enough to be CGI.

[beardpapa]

@bjornbear

dude.. 2010. biggest FPS. We know what other games are out, but you know Reach is gonna be a huge FPS in 2010. What other FPS can you think of that will be "bigger" and "badder" than Reach? MAG? No one cares about MAG but people that wanna brag about 200+ whatever players.

An FPS ain't just about the multiplayer. It's gotta have the story, gameplay, multiplayer, and the feeling of being epic to make it good and that's what a lot of the Halo games have had since CE.

[we won]

The trailer was obviously shocking but not quite on the level of current CGI tech such as the CGI used in Halo Wars. The fact People did not, and still will not execpt what was shown in the trailer as, not only inengine but part of a cutscene that was ingame just proves how advanced the X-engine is(*X* because it does not have a name, I don't know if it's the new inhouse 360 engine but it's new)

I guess this explains why PS3 fanboys were using the lack of jaggies as proof(excuse) the trailer was CGI, in their minds. My prediction is no one will come in here or read this statement made by the devs but the next blog article saying it was a CGI or it won't look like that! will be flooded with haters.

Anyways. You know you are doing something right as a developers when fanboys of you own product(halo fanboys) were fighting about the trailer on Halo forums and made PS3 fans seem well mannered when it comes to pessimistic criticism.

[snipermk0]

Yes, shocking indeed that it still managed to look like Halo 3.5 even after an engine update.

[The real killer]

If the hardware not powerful as the PS3, developers never get the same result what we see in Killzone 2/Uncharted 2 and many more games like GT5 or upcoming Killzone 3 even they have very good engine, Halo reach looks nice but pass graphics like Killzone 2 will never happened

[lowcarb]

Please stop praising KZ2. The game honestly does not look that good. Reach is going to give you guys another npd november shock moment.

[FlameBaitGod]

another guy who plays sales instead of games ^^^^^^^^^^^

[Xi]

I take that as a good thing since most people say that halo 3 is halo 2.5.

Which means that halo reach is a full jump from halo 3.

[lowcarb]

I wasn't talking about sales.

edit remember below: Once again that's not what I meant in my comment.

[RememberThe357]

No one is going to be shocked when a Halo game sells millions. And the fact that people still can't admit that Killzone 2 looks better then the 2005 CGI trailer is very telling.

EDIT: @above, then why else did you bring up the NPD? Last time I checked they report sales.

@we won: I personally wasn't blown away by the trailer. I was more exited when I saw ODST for the first time. It looks good, no doubt, but anyone in their right mind could tell you it wasn't CGI. Frankly, this is what Halo 3 should have looked like back in 2007.

[starchild]

Anybody that claims that Killzone 2 looks better than its 2005 "target" CGI trailer is blind, plain and simple, and doesn't have a clue about how to judge game graphics. The CGI trailer had a much higher level of graphical fidelity, in terms of lighting, geometric complexity, texture detail, everything. How this myth persists in the minds of PS3 fanboys is beyond me.

[RememberThe357]

Killzone 2 has better lighting then the trailer and more going on on-screen. Although it does have more texture issues (which makes sense as that it has to run real time) and the smoke doesn't look quite as good.

Me not agreeing with you does not make me blind.

Here's a more detailed version of what I'm trying to say. Written by another apparently blind person.

http://www.badassgamerblog....

[el zorro]

Well u know what, I think that mario 64 looks better than Uncharted 2 and you have to respect me because its my opinion. /s

[IdleLeeSiuLung]

That is quite a compliment to Halo 3!

[prabx]

Giving RememberThe357 disagrees for saying KZ2 didn't pass the CGI trailer is just fanboyism at its highest!

[SaberEdge]

No, I would say that it's fanboyism at its highest to say that Killzone 2 surpassed a high quality CGI render. THAT'S fanboyish. Killzone 2 looks good, but not that good.

[Serjikal_Strike]

reconfirm?

maybe because some people were left a little disappointed with the trailer?

[Bnet343]

No because some idiots thought it was CG, even though it didn't look that good to be CG.

[emk2004]

there was bearly a upgrade in graphics whats the uproar.

[starchild]

"barely an upgrade in graphics"...uh yeah sure, fanboy, whatever you say.

This is the kind of off the wall delusional nonsense that makes people dislike fanboys. What was shown of Halo Reach is easily some of the best graphics we have seen on consoles. How close it sticks to that for gameplay is another matter entirely.

[Veneno]

Star,

what iis off the wall none-sense is to say that the Halo reach trailer is representative of gameplay. I have no doubt that the cut scenes will look like that. You have to start listening to PS3 players more. We play the best-looking of this generation and therefore are the best judges of graphics.

[Pistolero]

No...you came from the ps2 which had the worst graphics last gen...so you are easily impressed by anything on the ps3....play both consoles and then you will see that most games on the ps3 are just average looking.

[Immortal321]

then name calling would not offend you

[3sq]

Bungie reconfirms their lies fixed*

Edit: Below nah it's just another bs from ms and bugie. They just released odst and there is no way they could create a newer and better engine within a few months. If they could, they would have already done that on odst.

Edit again: "I love watching people who are blinded by denial and jealousy. KZ2 is a good game but Reach looks better, sorry fanboys but I live in the real world"

If you live in the real world you would know they lied to you again and again and you're calling yourself living in a real world? LOL looks who's blinded in denial here. You just got owned by your own words. LOL

[The real killer]

So, is this the mighty X-Engine from Microsoft what they blabbing about it?

[Budg3tG4m3r]

I love watching people who are blinded by denial and jealousy. KZ2 is a good game but Reach looks better, sorry fanboys but I live in the real world.

[MerkinMax]

ODST was developed by a small team at Bungie at the same time Reach was being developed by a much larger team. Reach has been in production for a while. Speaking with ignorance makes you look like an a$$.

[starchild]

To be honest, 3sq, it does sound like you are the one living in a fantasy land.

[el zorro]

They have been working on the engine since halo 3 and they said that "This trailer absolutely represents our visual bar for the final game and is near identical to what you’ll see next Fall."

I trust their word far above the word of a butthurt fanboy. I know the graphics won't look that smooth during gameplay but they will be close enough to be amazing.

[albert_275]

Are you PS3 fanboys blind (question mark, because it`s broken on my keyboard)
Reach looks miles better than Halo 3. Now, how it looks in comparison to Killzone 2 or Uncharted 2 is questionable, but that can`t be answered yet. From what I`ve seen, it`s up there with them.

[badboy808]

What you smoking

[ShiNe-Box-]

Seriously, what are you smoking?

[starchild]

What YOU smokin?

Nevermind, you probably aren't smoking anything, just forgot to take off your official Sony fanboy goggles more likely.

You have to be blind not to see that what he said is true.

[RememberThe357]

But Bungie hasn't been pushing the 360 hardware very hard in their last games so I'm not going to get all exited about the graphics just yet. I stay focused on getting exited for the game itself.

[talltony]

Killzone 2 got so many articles praising it's graphics. This reach trailer did not get one article saying it looks better than killzone 2. Prepare to be dissapointed once you see actual gameplay of reach but most of you probably won't be since you are in denial.

So here is a video for those of you talking out of your a##!

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

I'm out!

[heroprotagonist]

Out of the dozens and dozens of reviews for Killzone 2 how many of them explicitly stated that they thought the graphics were the best on consoles? It was just a couple.

The fact is, most reviewers and game journalists avoid directly stating that they feel one game looks better than another. It tends to cause problems and alienate segments of their readership, so most of them don't do it. I don't remember any articles claiming Uncharted 2 was the best looking game either based only on those first cinematic trailers.

Besides, this is a cinematic trailer and journalists are too cautious to put their reputations on the line before something more concrete can assure them that what they are seeing is legit. Most people on the ground are simply saying that IF this is legit like Bungie claims it is, it will easily rival or best Killzone 2 or any other graphically advanced game.

[talltony]

"Out of the dozens and dozens of reviews for Killzone 2 how many of them explicitly stated that they thought the graphics were the best on consoles? It was just a couple."

I Hope you dont believe that because it was like every review praising killzone 2's graphics and all news articles were talking about it at that time were mentiong how "kilzone 2 passes target render" and it did in alot of ways especially in the lighting department.

Your probably one of those guys that thinks the 360 is most powerful console. I saw your other posts and lol I still dont get how people that think that right now hahaha. You prolly think the RSX is just a off the shelf GPU not made to work with the raw fast computational power of the cell. Am I right?

Let me just say this. When reach is out and everyone sees the ingame battles and how less stuff on screen is happening I'll hate to say I told you so. It looks good for a halo game but I'll hate to say I told you so. Reach will look far from the greatness of Killzone 2. Just watch... just watch my friend.

FACT... THE REACH TRAILER DID NOTHING TO PROVE IT LOOKED BETTER THAN THIS VID! (watch in HD) :)

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

[lowcarb]

Now all I need to do is see some gameplay footage. Even if it looks better than anything PS3 you already know they will spin it as quick as footage comes in.

[Myze]

I'm sure some die-hard ps3 fanboys will do that, but that's also very hypocritical, since you know darn well there will/would be plenty of die-hard 360 fanboys calling it the greatest looking game ever, no matter how it ends up looking. Although, I suppose you are one of them, but maybe you can at least agree there are some of you types on both sides.

Anyway, I never saw anyone claim the trailer as CGI. What I, and many others, know, is that the trailer was pre-rendered using in-engine assets. In other words, it was a cutscene using massive amounts of AA and other post-processing effects that the 360 (or ps3) is not capable of doing during actual gameplay. UC2 and MGS4 did this as well, so it's not a 360 only thing. The problem is that the trailer actually didn't tell us much at all about how the game will actually look, good or bad. PS3 fanboys will downplay the trailer and 360 fanboys will massively hype the trailer (just like when the BS Halo 3 trailer was released). I highly doubt the game will look as different as Halo 3 trailer>game ended up being, but we won't know till we see actual gameplay, which is why all these hype (pro or negative) articles are pointless.

As for your last comment in your other post, I'm not sure how sales determine how good the graphics are for a game like halo. Obviously it has a pretty loyal fanbase, and they could rerelease halo 1 with a different color master chief visor and it would sell 3-4 million copies first week, at full price.

[lowcarb]

1st off I never said anything in my post to praise the visuals or talk about numbers.

[RememberThe357]

"Even if it looks better than anything PS3"

That's referring to visuals and it's taken right out of your comment.

[Myze]

"Please stop praising KZ2. The game honestly does not look that good. Reach is going to give you guys another npd november shock moment."

Was referring to that post in relation to numbers. You claimed that you weren't talking about sales, which is a flat out lie or you are completely in the dark about what NPD is for.

[el zorro]

That is true but him saying "even if it looks" does not mean that he thinks it will definitely look as good as it does now. He is just pointing out that even if it looks better than anything on the ps3 the ps3 fanboys will try not to admit it.

[we won]

Myze is in a panic in here WOW! not surprising most PS3 fanboys are, when it comes to Halo and the 360/2010

[Myze]

@6.6

You can believe what you want to believe, but unless you are an alt account of lowcarb, I have no idea why you are defending him so vehemently. Read my post, I said nothing negative about Reach (only the trailer) as a game. My entire post was refuting fanboy drivel that lowcarb is saying.

However, this thread is specifically about a 360 game, and just like many ps3 specific threads, they are all the same, you can count on people to be ridiculously protective of their games, even when it doesn't make logical sense.

Oh, and about your completely off-the-wall comment, even if I were a ps3 only owner (ps3, psp, ds, pc...sold 360 little over a year ago), I would be much more in "panic" if I only owned a 360, but even then, that would be stupid, because all systems have games that would make the other be "in a panic." (such a stupid phrase in the way you used it)

[Shadow Man]

Halo Reach looks as good or better than killzone2! lol @ Droids saying killzone2 graphics were only possible on the ps3.

[The real killer]

Boy, open your eyes.
It has not better visual than Killzone 2, graphics hell no.
If i look at the trailer, you know what see..............no warzone no intense fighting levels like Killzone 2.

It´s a trailer with no Fcking war atmosphere and it was not gameplay anyway.

[3sq]

LOL 30times? I guess you really have nothing to play this year. LOL

Edit: Killer let him be. There's no way in hell you can reason with him. He'll just be disappointed again like...

...bu bu but teh Gears has better graphic bu bu but teh Forza has better graphic bu bu but teh odst has better graphic LOL

"Go and download the HD version and comeback and tell me it looks good as killzone2." What made you think he hasn't already done that?

He already did that and he's telling you. Still don't get it? LOL

[Shadow Man]

and comeback and tell me it looks good as killzone2.

[kaz-hirai]

@Shadow Man

It looks worse than Killzone 2 :-)

[starchild]

Killzone 2 graphics are overhyped. Yes, the overall game looks pretty damn good, but the textures are really average overall and shadows maps are low resolution and jagged.

So yes, so far Halo Reach looks better. We need to see more though to know how it will really turn out.

[cereal_killa]

Shadow Man

You're an idiot it was a cut scene trailer FFS get real and wait till actual game play shows up then you can act like a Muppet all you want until the STFU and go play something how you still have your 2 bubbles is way beyond me.

[The real killer]

I get the feeling that allot 360 fanboys are coming here to defend there Halo.

[Xi]

They shouldn't need a reason to defend anything.

[00]

It's because trolls(like you) raid anything halo related by bringing up the ps3 or listing a bunch of games, so the people that actually want to talk causally about the game can't because there's so much F***ing spam.

[thereapersson]

THIS IS A HALO-RELATED ARTICLE, FOR A 360-EXCLUSIVE GAME

I would certainly HOPE that the majority of people in this article are 360 fans, but unfortunately judging from the early activity in here, that isn't exactly the case...

[Xi]

I think halo 3/odst are some of the best looking titles this generation, but the lack of AA really takes away from how good the games look. I mean browsing through the screenshots/rendered movies you get a really good look at how impressive and versatile the engine really is. Specially the lighting and material system. If only they could fix some of the mip-mapping issues, some textures, and models.

http://www.bungie.net/Onlin...

http://www.bungie.net/Onlin...

http://www.bungie.net/Onlin...

http://www.bungie.net/Onlin...

http://www.bungie.net/Onlin...

if only the AA in the game was that good.

I think the more realistic tones will do a lot to increase the visual fidelity too. The animation is much, MUCH better then before which is always nice to see. And the inclusion of full screen shaders and parallax mapping will also add some need umph to the engine. Biggest by far though is the implementation of reigh and mei scattering to their engine which will do wonders in accurately capturing atmospheric effects and lighting. Hence the awesome skybox in the trailer. I believe that halo reach could possibly be the best looking console game next year.

[Budg3tG4m3r]

Your right Halo 3 and ODST were runied by the jaggies even though they were realy good games.

[Feral Gamer]

Frankly I wish more PS3 games had AA

[starchild]

Yeah, I would have to agree. Aliasing, i.e. jaggies, is a problem in most console games these days. I come from a predominantly PC background and I find the jaggies in many games a little off putting.

Halo 3 looked a lot better than some want to give it credit for, but like a lot of console games it had some jaggies that brought it down a little bit. Nice to know that they are doing something about it.

[crazyturkey]

That the cut-scene was captured in-game and is not that impressive, just look at this Resistance 2 video. Look at the cut-scene is all "captured in-game" and it does look good, but once you start playing it, it doesn't look that good.

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

[The real killer]

`It's because trolls(like you) raid anything halo related by bringing up the ps3 or listing a bunch of games, so the people that actually want to talk causally about the game can't because there's so much F***ing spam`

It´s like kids like you won´t understand what i mention.

If people like you not trolling about Halo the best Halo Reach will pass Killzone 2 graphics department Killzone 2 is crap and crap that, than i was never against Halo, kids like you bring halo only in trouble.

I like Halo, but that´s the past because people like you always arrogant about Halo and i´m sick of it. Even X-Live is a mess with fcking kids like you.

[Xi]

I think you're a little mixed up on who needs understanding.

john carmac (id developer created of the first FPS engine)
tim sweeney (epic founder, engine programmer, and technical director for UnEngine)
David shippy (ibm developer, responsible for cpu development for 360/ps3)
denis dyack (founder of silicon knight)
corrinne yu (founder of Direct 3D Advisory Board prior Lead Engine Programmer of 3d realm and ion storm)
beyond 3d (largest real time rendering website)

all say the consoles are roughly equal in power. Their word > your word.

You're exactly the type of person that makes me regret my PS3, you're fanboy attitude to the console is sickening. You'd rather troll n4g then purchase games like uncharted 2 and inFamous. You moan about games like mw2 claiming to buy Killzone 2 instead. Then never go online, pro tip, no one wants to play a multiplayer game by themselves. You act as if sony can do no wrong, and microsoft can do no right, thinking sony has already somehow won an imaginary console war.

I think you're the one mixed up.

edit: teraflops are great, but what's the point if your fillrate can't keep up? Why calculate more things then your memory can hold in the buffer? When dealing with ooo code you end up taking a large hit in processing power since cores are doing nothing. Less memory and an inefficient shader system all take a tole on your output. You can spout 'facts' all you want but the consoles are roughly even and it's only fanboys in denial who think otherwise.

[00]

no your not.

[Henry Cain]

Wow! Im sorry to say that trailer was really weak. Nothing spectacular about it at all real talk. You want to see something nice check out Killzone 2 - Trailer (Ballet of Death) on youtube. Thats all in game footage. Watch in HD

[starchild]

I have seen that trailer before and I just watched it again and sorry to tell you but the Reach trailer looks noticeably better than that.

[sparta76]

How does it feel to be on crack?!?

[Pistolero]

I'm sure they wouldn't know....you should be asking the PS3 fanboys.
Don't you guys see the crappy textures in Killzone 2?...it is pretty obvious to me.

[The real killer]

You can´t compare with Killzone 2, Killzone 2 it is just to intense to compare with Halo Reach. Reach looks good, but it miss intense war levels with heavy physics and lichting.

[KingKionic]

I think eventually bungie will get annoyed at telling people this is in game and a new engine .

[cereal_killa]

I guess when you have been working with an engine for so long and then you switch to a new one people will have doubts until you prove that doubt to be wrong, once people finally sees actual game play (not in game cut scenes) then Bungie can say "see we told you". Unfortunately there other people in this world besides the members of N4G that are in the same boat and don't know anything about HR only the fanboys are going to claim a cut scene is what the game will look like and spout off on how it already destroys KZ2 truly delusional in my eyes I thought the trailer looked good but it was nothing big.

Edit your right it was a step up from H3 but this crap about "it destroys KZ2 needs to stop" that's all I'm saying just look at some of the idiots in the open zone nothing but fanboys flapping there useless arguments on how great HR will be you know nothing about the dam game beside it's has Halo in the name right there the fanboys jump and claim it's over Sony when Halo drops STFU neither of the systems are going anywhere Halo will be Halo no matter what it looks like just enjoy it when it comes out.

[KingKionic]

I was pretty impressed . Big leap from halo 3 and odst .

Its very noticeable .

[LinuxGuru]

Yes...a new engine! Finally, some real new improvements to Halo on the visual and presentation front(s).

[cmrbe]

but this engine should have been developed for Halo 3. Perhaps its just me but i hate it when people take shortcuts and not do their very best for gamers. Whats worse is they knew they would get a crap load of money regardless.

Seriously, Why didn't MS fund this engine for Halo 3?. I am amazed when i first saw halo 3 after Gears. Halo is their biggest franchise and yet they didn't bother enough to make it look good for its fans. It just proves my point that MS are sloppy and only care about making money above giving fans the best expereince. Sad really.

[Xi]

And that's why they've received such good 3rd party support this generation.

Microsoft doesn't need to prove that the 360 is as powerful as the ps3, they honestly don't care, it's not their selling point, and they don't make any money off of trying to be the most powerful console. They'd rather allow developers the time to make their own tools and develop their own resources to produce the best looking game over time. They'd rather spend their money on getting more games, from more developers, and more live capabilities, because they know that games and applications sell consoles. Why else do you think MS has been promoting facebook as much as their games in their advertising.

Where as sony is the exact opposite, they've always marketed their machine as the strongest, fastest, best etc. Why do you think sony's first party titles took so long to start appearing on the ps3? Because sony's selling point on their console is it's technical capabilities. If their games don't even look as good as 360 games why should people bother spending the extra money for one? hence sony put a lot effort into creating good looking games. And their advertising is complementary of that too, their uncharted 2 add for example is claiming 'movie like quality' yet...

So i guess sony is all about money too if you think about it. Hell i think every company is about money, after all they exist only to make profits and fill needs right?

[cmrbe]

every company is in it for the money. That is the bottomline. The difference is Sony does care enough to make the best ever expereince for its fans. MS, on the other hand knew that if they just put Halo on anything it will sell so they didn't bother to develop this engine for Halo 3 then. Thats my point.

[JasonPC360PS3Wii]

How those feet taste droids? but but but teh cell

[The real killer]

`How those feet taste droids? but but but teh cell`

The question is.................How do you feel with a simple movie without gameplay?

[kaz-hirai]

"bu bu bu teh X eNgiNEZZZ!"

All this talk about this "amazing" X engine and yet iv seen better from two years ago it was called Uncharted: Drakes Fortune :-D!!!! and theres ofcourse Uncharted 2, killzone 2 and also Heavy Rain to name a few!!!

The 360 has nothing compared to the PS3 ;-D!!!

[starchild]

No, Drakes Fortune was already surpassed by Gears of War 2.

This looks a step above either game.

[Obama]

"No, Drakes Fortune was already surpassed by Gears of War 2. "

Already proven false. And why not compare gears to UC2?

[SaberEdge]

@obama

Proven false? By who? A fanboy with a blog?

Sorry, I saw that comparison and it was biased as hell. It was obvious that he did everything he could to find areas of weakness in Gears of War 2 and areas of strength in Uncharted.

I have both games and I know how they look as a complete package. Overall I think Gears of War 2 is a bit better looking than Uncharted Drake's Fortune.

All of these games are so close, though, that it really isn't worth talking about. I love Uncharted and the graphics are amazing. I never stop when I am playing a game and say "hmm...should I be enjoying this? Does this look better than any other game?" No, I never think like that.

[The real killer]

`I think you're a little mixed up on who needs understanding.

john carmac
tim sweeney
David shippy
denis dyack

all say the consoles are roughly equal in power. Their word > your word.

You're exactly the type of person that makes me regret my PS3, you're fanboy attitude to the console is sickening. You'd rather troll n4g then purchase games like uncharted 2 and inFamous. You moan about games like mw2 claiming to buy Killzone 2 instead, but then never go online, no one wants to play a multiplayer game by themselves. You act as if sony can do no wrong, and microsoft can do no right`

Really, you are silly boy. Because of me you won´t buy a PS3, what the hell is that for child acting? Give me my quote about mixed up, if you cannot provide with that, than STF up please.

Furthermore has PS3 2.1 teraflop calculation power VS X-BOX 360 1.0 Teraflop calculation power and that´s enough to know about it.

Dude, i have a PC and PS3 and i have Uncharted 2 Look at my PSN ID.
Because i have bad experience with Microsoft make me a Sony Fan right?
Damn, you are so silly.

Like i said, it will swarm with 360 fanboys like you pretend to buy a PS3 you little kid.

[Bluemaster77]

I wish people would stop trying to dump on this game, please its not on Ps3 so you all wont have to deal with it. Halo and all its speculated graphical changes will have absolutely no effect on your gaming experience neither now or in the future just please leave it alone PLEASE

[XDF]

You need to stop Pal.

You are on 99.9% of all things Halo related, good or bad.

No one gives a rats about graphics....just ask the avg sales of Uncharted 2 and KZ2.

Halo is all about online, co op, cummunity, and FUN.

At the end of the day, KZ2 can have its graphics...we gladly take split screen co op, and people to play with online months after months. Have you seen people online online playing Uncharted 2 and KZ2 after MW2 dropped? Neither have I.

[lowcarb]

What are you going on about lol? The "even if it looks better than anything on PS3" comment I made was referring to visuals but in no way praising anything.

[ApocalypseShadow]

as it is my first time commenting on it.first,i'm glad bungie is being truthful about it.makes them better than turn-10.

second,from what i actually got to see,as a ps3 fan,i was still impressed.why?it means that companies like sony have set the bar and other companies now have to step up and make better game engines.and at least bungie is trying.

companies that put up more effort on 360,first party or third party,means better games for gamers.second,if third parties make better games and don't use unreal engine on 360,it means better ports to ps3.even though sony says that devs should make games on ps3.as porting is easier to unified on 360.as ps3 uses split memory.

as for xi,no big developers of pc have made games for ps3.carmack hasn't,gabe hasn't,cliffy hasn't,etc.for them to say that both systems are equal in power,but make no games for each,is not factual on your part.i don't see games like uncharted 2 or killzone2 on 360 in the last 4 years.i don't see 256 gamers online in one game on 360.i don't see 16 cars on the road like gt with that type of lighting,resolution and framerate.

if it were true,turn-10 would have matched polyphony car for car,resolution for resolution and framrate in and out of car.THEY DIDN'T.but they had plenty time to do so.that tells me their engine is not up to snuff,they as developers aren't up to snuff.or the 360 is not up to snuff compared to ps3.

you didn't prove equality because no games exist to match ps3 exclusives.and ps3 has been out for a shorter period of time.

[Consoldtobots]

ooops, you had a good post going and then you said the words of death in a halo fanboy circle jerk...."sony raised the bar", that's gonna get your post pounced on with disagrees....lol.

[CLANCY BROWN]

seeing as the ps3 is the newer system it should have had better looking games out of the gate. The sad fact is it took 2 years to get any games worth mentioning. The ps3 has been a real disapointment until this year. It is finally cranking out some decent titles- Killzone was alright- but noone plays it anymore-checkout the multiplayer.Uncharted 2 is alright(too cartoony for me)the multiplayer is alright, but we will see how many people are still playing at the end of the year. I can turn on halo 3 and still find at least 100000 people playing at any given time 2 years later. I call that value.The fact is people are still playing halo because it is a fun game. Halo pisses on everything in the fun department. That is why we play games in the first place-FUN- and I am afraid some of you ps3 only users have forgotten that.
"you can't play sales" you say. Well you can't play graphics either. Nice graphics will only get you so far- You still need the heart,you still need the game play.

[Veneno]

@ The real Killer

I also don't get where these Xbox people get these thoughts of shame from having a PS3 and then seeing PS3 fan comments. I myself have a 360 and read some amazingly ridiculous xbox dribble, but am I suicidal? No.

[gamingisnotacrime]

no more needs to be said

[Pistolero]

What do you mean?...Forza 3 looks as good as GT5 and better than Forza 2 so what more did you expect?....seriously.

[gamingisnotacrime]

Better than Forza 2, yes... but that does not mean a lot because Forza 2 was Forza 1 in HD.

As good as GT5, that is a little less clear, so to each his own.

[Domer25]

Bubbles up sir. Well done

[MrBuffalo]

You seriously need to lighten up. From reading your comments through out N4G you strike me as one emotionally starved, sad and insular little puppy. Your so damn lonely your only emotional attachment is to a piece of japanese consumer electronics. So shunned you are by the outside world that you are forced to don the persona of an all knowing, all seeing authority on gaming. A pursuit that you obviously do not understand as evidenced in your posts. It is a fun past time. You've taken it to mean greater things in life. Things that normal people in life take for granted. Things like interpersonal relationships, belonging... having a social life. We no longer take them for granted knowing there are people like you in this world. You have opened our eyes to what a sad and lonely place this world can be. A world where a persons biggest emotional attachment is to a device made for gaming. You defend the Playstation3 like its your girlfriend. You hate the Xbox 360 like a jilted lover. Often times you sound like a cross between a fox news anchor and ted bundy. I bet that you sir have the stickiest Dual Shock 3 in your neigborhood.

[The real killer]

"you're the type of person who believes that the ps3 is more powerful then the 360"

True, do you understand why i wrote that? This has nothing to with fanboy, it's just a fact.

"all say the consoles are roughly equal in power. Their word > your word"

2.1 VS 1.0 terraflop calculation power. The words of the hardware specification say more than multi developers.

"john carmac (id developer created of the first FPS engine)
tim sweeney (epic founder, engine programmer, and technical director for UnEngine)
David shippy (ibm developer, responsible for cpu development for 360/ps3)
denis dyack (founder of silicon knight)
corrinne yu (founder of Direct 3D Advisory Board prior Lead Engine Programmer of 3d realm and ion storm)
beyond 3d (largest real time rendering website)"

Haha, come on dude, those are multi developers and one from IBM...... it was a mistake dude from him. The CPU from the 360 is has some technology from the Cell nothing more, the rest is different speed remains the same, the architecture is different 5 less SPU more for the Cell CPU. So game over for you.

"You're exactly the type of person that makes me regret my PS3, you're fanboy attitude to the console is sickening. You'd rather troll n4g then purchase games like uncharted 2 and inFamous. You moan about games like mw2 claiming to buy Killzone 2 instead. Then never go online, pro tip, no one wants to play a multiplayer game by themselves. You act as if sony can do no wrong, and microsoft can do no right, thinking sony has already somehow won an imaginary console war"

Haha, you litle kid. How old are you? You can't even understand my intention let alone understanding my quote.

If i said that MW2 is crap than it is and buy Killzone 2 instead, what the hell is wrong with that? make me that some fanboy?
You getting delusial boy. MW2 is a Multiplat, what is your point? because of this you won't buy a PS3 you little kid, do i hurt you game ? I don't give a damn if you don't buy a PS3, this is getting childish.

"I think you're the one mixed up"

No, you dont' understand my question kid.

"edit: teraflops are great, but what's the point if your fillrate can't keep up? Why calculate more things then your memory can hold in the buffer? When dealing with ooo code you end up taking a large hit in processing power since cores are doing nothing. Less memory and an inefficient shader system all take a tole on your output. You can spout 'facts' all you want but the consoles are roughly even and it's only fanboys in denial who think otherwise"

"but what's the point if your fillrate can't keep up?" what do you mean about that? what is Fillrate?

"Why calculate more things then your memory can hold in the buffer?"

What the hell are talking about? The PS3 RAM 256 XDR is 8 times and efficient than 512 RAM GDDR3. So what is your point?

" When dealing with ooo code you end up taking a large hit in processing power since cores are doing nothing"

Huh, what are talking about? You talk about multiplat developers?

"Less memory and an inefficient shader system all take a tole on your output"

What the hell, PS3 has 256 XDR 3Ghz and GDDR3, the 360 and the PS3 has the same amount of memory only the PS3 is way Faster en efficient thanks to the 256 XDR. So what is you point, you think like multiplat developer.

"You can spout 'facts' all you want but the consoles are roughly even and it's only fanboys in denial who think otherwise"

Uncharted 1 and 2/GT5/God Of War 3/ Heavy Rain/ and Killzone 2 and more to come. This is my conclusion kid.

[heroprotagonist]

No, theoretical performance numbers like how many FLOPS a processor can do are next to worthless. For one thing, the makers can simply add up FLOPS any old way they want. If one company adds it up differently than the other company then you are not doing an apples to apples comparison.

Second of all, theoretical FLOPS is not the most important criteria because it does't tell you whether that performance can be achieved in the real world, taking into consideration other limiting factors of the architecture (bottlenecks to put it another way).

I guarantee you in the world the PS3 is NOT more capable than the 360. In fact, it takes a lot more work to get equal performance out of the PS3 as the 360. It can do it, it just takes more time and effort.

[The real killer]

You don't get it right? just like Xi.

I guarantee you that that the PS3 is far more powerful than you 360 fanboys think, but that's is not what i mention, Xi said that i was mixed up, but he don't understand my question and made self a conclusion.

You should even now that PS3 has far better graphics and visual than any 360 game in 4 years, if the 360 so easy to program, why they did not max out the 360 power? each time when a 360 exclusive game came out, there was no big different in 4 years time line.

Since Halo reach trailer came out and show some what boring easy landscape with no single effect or itense fire fight with real war atmosphere and you and al the 360 fans blabbing about, it will pass Killzone 2 graphics engine, but Killzone 2 engine is already passed by GT5/GOW3/Heavy Rain/Uncharted 2 and more to come.

You 360 fanboys compare a 2 year old Killzone 2 by that time instead Uncharted 2, i know Halo reach will be great and i will believe that halo Reach will possible match Killzone 2 standpoint with some luck, but what i mention is that intense gameplay in Killzone 2 all over the screen will never the same in halo reach, and that's why you cannot compare with Killzone 2 it's to intens in the game while we see only a video with no gameplay and you and you fans are so hyped because Microsoft said it will pass Killzone 2.

4 freaking years and suddenly the wake up and compare with a 2 year old engine while the game is released. This is what i call silly 360 fanboys blabbing about Halo this and Halo that.

Henry Cain

Those fanboys are all over the place here, and you get twee disagree from this kids hahhaa, but it was a nice video allot better than Halo reach in any case.

[Demon5500]

Here is some calculation for you my friend and points that you my not be aware of,

1) The Xbox 360 CPU has up to 3 times the general purpose processing power of the Cell

2) The bandwidth in Xbox 360 Memory exceeds the PS3's by five times.

3)The Xenos (GPU) design is more flexible and it has more processing power than the PS3 GPU,

But why Have we not seen the uncharted 2 graphics level I hear you all ask, And uncharted 2 is still fairly liner game play, from a developers prospective.

The Biggest factor of why "is" SONY had a Better 1GBsdk out before MS and the PS3 exclusives are not getting ported to 360/pc they are designed to take full advantage of all the hardware features of the ps3 exclusive SDK,

And now the game has changed MS have invested big dollars into there
1GB XeDK's, they have a real 1st party engine that is not so easy to develop as previous SDK but shore as hell easier then ps3/cell and cost less also, But take this in to account, none of the exclusive first party X-engine games will be coming to pc, most the developers have switched to the new engine, PC ports are going to be done by 3rd party studios later. The 360 has never had this much attention from developers but games like Mess effect 2, splinter cell, Alan wake, are only first gen games of a second generation engine.

While any one can put numbers up on the net and jump around till the messes are brain washed into believing anything, just let me remind you, FLOPS is based on a thermometric number on white papers, these do not and will not be applied in real world environments, There are factors and one big factor alone is ps3 is starved for Memory and memory bandwidth, and it does not have a unified architect like the 360, So memory can only be set at the development engine not the constructor, so even tho ps3 has 512Mb of it, the dev can only use 256mb of that for graphics and 256mb for cpu and XMB, But the debug is ran on the extra 512bm which is allocated to the cell and spes for branching, this means the sdk is why ps3 is out doing 360 it is a better design.

So with the new 1GB XeDK's in ms developers hands and a unified architect and no more debug run in system memory, one would think that would be enough but no Ms went and added new features within the new engine and the constructor can take advantage of these new features, just like cell can aid the RSX in graphics calculations. cuda not available with RSX due to a none unified architect but open cl might happen later, and RSX is also of an older generation of GPU. The Xenos inside the 360 is very powerful, but it really came across to developers when they started conditional branching to the Xenos gpu with Cpu flags. so now we have a massive difference in performance but just like Cell aiding RSX, Xenos can aid the cpu and the cpu can aid the XENOS now, the best update Ms ever gave developers was the new engine, we now have full support for DirectCompute 10.1 and tessellation, and OpenGL extension but most developers will stick with the Direct x, and people wonder why Ms abolished the Gide lines for making 360 games..:)

[i3eyond the Circle]

Wow Demon.

If that isn't a copy and paste.

You might just be the smartest person on this website.

Read your entire posts and you've pointed out some very very interesting things.

I know you won't reply because your knowledge must hurt N4G's feelings and the boys took your bubbles.

If you can.

Please send me some links via PM with more information on the 1GB XeDK.

You should publish a paper!

The only things I can find on Ps3 and Xbox360 hardware spec comparisons are very old.

[talltony]

You do know that the ps3 can use ad much ram as it wants for graphics it's just not necessary because the xdr ram is super fast and efficient and waay faster than 360's gddr3 only ram.

[menoyou]

so i guess it is confirmed crap after all

[MegadethAndy]

starchild (and i assume you are a child), you havnt seen any gameplay yet. Its just to hype you little buggers up.

[heroprotagonist]

And to strike fear into the hearts of PS3 gamers, apparently.

[7thNightvolley]

ps3 fangirls are pathetic.. seriously.. on a 360 exclusive article u still need to come and troll like a idiotic baby....are u that scared u need to troll ... or rather its too shocking teh 360 can put out such graphics it makes ur head spin... well since u still think its a CGI we will take that as a compliment ...HALO REACH.. be SCARRREDDDD.. it will .. be SICK.. ONLINE WILL ROCK.... IT WILL SELLL GAZILLIONS...puff.. u just had what 1 mill in final fantasy.. gezz that is the highest day one sales u will ever see ... EVER.. we were doing that since 2006.. with gears 1..old story.. now we do .. 2 mill plus easy... HALO. .. 4 MILL.. nothing less.. i GUARANTEE THAT.. EAT UR BLOODY HEART OUT... BUHAHAHAHA.. and yes we will defend halo.. what do u expect..wen u guys bubble each other up so u can keep spewing out crap..

[Henry Cain]

1ST OF ALL THATS NOT A TRAILER THAT IS IN GAME FOOTAGE. NOT A TRAILER IN GAME ACTUAL GAMEPLAY IF YOU WANT TO SEE A TRAILER HERE LET ME SHOW YOU. REACH CAN'T F2CK WITH THIS! WATCH IN HD. NOW THATS A TRAILER. REAL TALK. TO ALL THAT DISAGREE YOU KNOW THE REAL. AND REACH TRAILER CANT TOUCH THIS.

[Traveler]

Ah I love that trailer. Good memories. Still play Killzone 2 to this day. But I have to agree with some people here, I can't deny what my eyes are telling me, I think the new Reach video looks a little more detailed and CGI-like than that KZ2 trailer. They both look really good though.

[Godmars290]

Doesn't mean much until we see it being used in gameplay. Not cutscenes.

The 360 camp didn't ask as much when they damned the KZ2 trailer, nor when they defended the Halo 3 trailer. Apparently people were mistaken both times then, so what's changed now?

[KingKionic]

Going by what bungie said :
“This trailer absolutely represents our visual bar for the final game and is near identical to what you’ll see next Fall. The single biggest difference between this trailer and the final game will be the extra generous amount of anti-aliasing (the smoothing of “jaggies” or edges of pixels) present in what you’re watching right now but rest assured that Reach will be significantly improved in this department compared to Halo 3. (The extreme “AA” in the trailer was due to the “frame dump” mentioned above.)”

It probably will be very close .

Im more interested in the story in multiplayer though .

[Godmars290]

Then why are you and so many others so defensive about what is literally early graphic footage?

Seriously, all you saw were people walking and getting into vehicles. Yet somehow that equates to the same thing as viewing a firefight though a HUD.

[KingKionic]

I didn't know i was being defensive . I just quoted something that was from Bungie`s weekly update .

But i do think people should just chill out with the

" teh halo is bettorz then killzonzees 2!!! ""

[tripewire]

WTF?

Did you guys watch a different trailer than me? As a graphics showcase it was terrible. A couple of bits looks pretty good, but it wasnt the second coming that some people are making it out to be.

Hoping we see some actual gameplay footage soon so there can be an actual worthwile discussion on the topic.

[CWMR]

-You need to get some new eye glasses right?

That trailer was very impressive. Now we have confirmation from Bungie saying that this will be pretty much what it looks like. Amazing.-

[Consoldtobots]

"This trailer absolutely represents our visual bar for the final game and is near identical to what you’ll see next Fall."

psssst this is dev doublespeak for "this is what we will try to make the game look like" hence they use the word "visual bar", its nothing more than a target render using the in game engine.

[tripewire]

Nope, my prescription is just fine. I simply think that the character animations and models were half arsed and the general look was pretty bland. Doesnt mean you have to think the same thing.

And if you want to believe Bungie PR, then more power to you. But I thought more people would have learnt by now not to trust PR this gen. Personally until I see actual gameplay then im not buying into anything any PR says. Was the same with KZ, inFamous, UC2 etc etc. Both companies bullcrap. Doesnt mean gamers have to listen to it.

[Demon5500]

they have a build of this running beta and bug filed but it was way better then any fps to date that we sampled, the thing did not chug when we played it but it was early, and we were only there to see the lighting engine running and how the good old 2x pass HDR was over, nice guys Bungie, let us play the few hours worth of the build, The SDF better not take this new engine lightly, as X-engine is the second generation engine, but what would I know, I only use the constructor it does all the talking to the main engine, It converts my C++ in to raw machine code which then spews out the amazing graphics after compiling it...............:)

[Consoldtobots]

this is your brain on drugs children.

[PS360PCROCKS]

Ha Ha Haters whatcha gunna say now?

[hamoor]

i have more fun with halo3
its like there is a lot of stupid stuff that you can do with ur friends
do you actually know the meaning of (fun)and(enjoyment)???
yes graphics is important and now reach have the fun factor and the graphics plus
i take A great co-op campaign than solo campaign any day
and what we might see in halo reach

[SaberEdge]

Yes, exactly. That is why I play Halo, because it is FUN. It is extremely well made and the gameplay is polished to near perfection.

I thought the graphics in Halo 3 were pretty good anyway. The only reason I think some people were disappointed is because we were all spoiled by Gears of War's graphics at that time.

But if you look at it today Halo 3 is still better looking that a lot of shooters. I compared it to my copy of Resistance and it looks better.

Graphics only take you so far anyway. The graphics in most games today are completely sufficient to get you immersed in the game and, provided the gameplay is good, you really aren't going to care that some other game looks 4% better.

[kewlkat007]

It is Halo after all. Not much more to say. I think xbox fans should expect something bebtter than Halo 3 I'd hope.

[LOLatURDUMBAZZ]

This is not real gameplay footage! When I can see some real gameplay from bungie then i'll believe this. Galo is washed up and will not be the game of the year. It might sell like crazy due to kids. But NOTHING on the 360 will EVER touch the PS3 as far as GRAPHICS. Get over it! Enjoy another Galo with the same sh1t different toilet.

[hamoor]

get out of your mom basement
take a shower
open the window to see the sun that you haven't seen in months
have some friends to hangout with
and even if you cant resist to trolling here
find something better than galo -_-

[ASSASSYN 36o]

Then get a job.
Go to college.
Meet a woman you may very well marry.
And then when you have created a stable life. Have some kids.
We normal people call this life. Good luck.

[superrey19]

The fact that people are doubting whether or not a new engine was used,shows that the graphical "leap" was not so significant.

[SaberEdge]

No, the problem is that people thought it was CGI and this is Bungie stepping in saying that it is in fact created in-engine and is representative of the quality that their new engine can produce.

Quit pretending that it isn't impressive. It's silly to deny the obvious.

[Omega Zues]

Ive been a big fan of bungie since the good old myth days and have always enjoyed the halo series but bungie has always said one thing then did another. For example:

Halo 2 E3 live play event - any one remember that big live action gameplay that they said "this is Halo 2" and just to find out halo 2 was nothing close to it, in fact that stage was not even in the game. I remember when I first bought the game, rushed through the story to find that section of the game but sadly nothing remotely close.

Halo 3 E3 - you of course remember that starry night trailer which they said "running in-game, actually engine!" and Halo 3 looked nothing close to it and then "Halo 3 will be running in HD respectively" also stating it would be at "1080p on the Elite console" but the ugly truth was nothing close to that giving bungie lots of heat.

Conclusion to this story. Dont believe a single word of bungie. Just hope that the final product is good and enjoy it. Till then I keep a deaf ear to bungie.

[DigitalAnalog]

I'm still excited to see what the game brings..

MORE GAMEPLAY VIDS PLEASE..

-End Statement

[STICKzophrenic]

Becoming a fan of the Halo franchise this gen (Halo 3 was my first game), I don't care if the gfx are only a slight improvement over Halo 3, because I think Halo 3's gfx are vastly under-rated. I think it's a gorgeous game with beautiful environments and great lighting.

Besides, it isn't all about gfx anyway, gameplay is a big factor and Halo has awesome gameplay. The entire Halo 3 package with the campaign, co-op campaign, multiplayer, Forge and Theater Mode (which is still the best on consoles) is probably the best value for a game I've gotten.

Bungie, with their community support, is a top tier developer. The community supports Bungie so much, and praise them so much because they are so in tune with the people that buy their games.

[jalen247]

So in other words the final game is not going to look as good as what was in the trailer...Because in order to have a consistent frame rate they will need to dumb down the visuals and the AA in the trailer is not representative of the AA in the final game.

[horndog]

Halo will destroy the competitons next year. A natural contender for GOTY.

[cpt_kaos]

Well I'm sure the Bots will enjoy this Halo Reach if there 360 is still working.

[orange-skittle]

and I'll say it again. Halo needs to go 3rd person to make an impact. I wanna see the soldier instead of watching a cutscene. If Uncharted was represented in a 1st person perspective, it would take away from Drakes swagger. When you have your character cover, slide, perform disarms, and change armor/costumes..it brings you closer to them. I always felt a disconnect when I was master chief. I only saw him in the cutscenes and he barely did anything, but talk.

[SaberEdge]

So what you're saying is that no game should be in the first person perspective anymore? I don't agree.

I think there are advantages to 3rd person and advantages to 1st person. They are both immersing in their own ways.

[ASSASSYN 36o]

Well we all know who bungie is directing this info. too. The critics have been hard at work.

[superrey19]

I did not for a second think this was CG. I thought it was pretty clear to everyone that this was the actual engine running. I wont deny that it looks better than halo 3...but with every Halo fan saying that Reach was going to be mind blowing and then coming out with this... well, my statement stands: i wasn't impressed.

[mario888]

The question now is how many Dvds and how much will be going on the screen at one time.