Naughty Dog, What the Hell?

From TAGS: "OK its time for some truths that might hurt a few of you, but first let me say I love Uncharted 2. This is my personal favourite game of the year. The Single player game is the best part; the Co-op and Multiplayer have kept me playing the game, but what the hell are you thinking Naughty Dog?"

[whothedog]

I do agree the 40k is steep, I got kicked do to my power going out for a second, and it was disappointing to see 40k gone, just like that. I still think a timer that builds up over time on how many games you leave early would be better but what do I know. I also don't like playing short handed, and hate it when people leave because they get off to a bad start or don't like the map.

Or even have the money penalty increase away over time with each early leave, because if it keeps recurring than I think its a problem but a few times I don't really see being a problem.

[presto717]

Nothing sucks more than playing with a loser that quits halfway through. That totally ruins the game for not only his teammates, but also the guys on the other team. Yeah it really sucks. I support naughty dog. If you cant even play through one single game of deathmatch, etc. then why go online in the first place?

[starvinbull]

People who say they have a life and therefore shouldn't be punished for leaving a game ruining it for everyone else need to stop playing games online is my point of view.

Got better things to do than play uncharted online? Then go do it and don't darken anyone's multiplayer match again.

[FamilyGuy]

Actually, that $40,000 penalty was recently removed and a 30 second penalty is the only thing that takes it's place (UNLESS you up and shut your system off/sign-off from within the multi-player game). The 30 second penalty just makes your character stand there vulnerable for 30 seconds while you exit the match.

I like the penalty because it stops "casual gamers" from abandoning their team during a match, which can cause the players who stayed playing to be out numbered and out gunned. This REALLY sucks in plunder/objective-based matches.

One thing they should do is change the penalty amount based on you level as someone at level 20 will feel a $40,000 a lot worst than someone at level 52 who can make that money up in a single game.

[vhero]

Another article about this really??

[Guido]

If you do not have time to complete a game then don't start. Quiters are douche bags no matter how you paint the picture and if you can't stay around to complete the game you started then don't start one in the first place. Take your lumps and quit complaining. (directed to the author of the article)

[YoungKiller25]

why dont they just allow people to join games that already started either through matchmaking or through your friends

personally i think thats just a design flaw on naughty dogs part and they just punish other people for their mistakes

[DaTruth]

My PS3 froze having trouble keeping up with the brilliance that is Uncharted 2! Went from high level 11 to low level 9 and it was not at all my fault.

The $40000 is a bit steep!

[Commander TK]

I think is 1 of many flaws on U2 online rather than the only flaw

[CyberCam]

The power in my house cut out a couple of times in one day (I don't know what the heck was going on in my neighbourhood that night) and I went back online to play, I got so pissed I sold the game the next day.

There's just way too many good online games out there now to be playing one that penalizes you for things out of your control.

I love the game but can't stomach the poor decision not have players join mid game and to have such a shoddy match making that take a lifetime to get you in a game!

[Budg3tG4m3r]

"Nothing sucks more than playing with a loser that quits halfway through." Some gamers have children and they allways take priority. Also what about an emergency or connection drops? Not everyone just ups and leaves a game, life tends to get in the way of gaming. Sorry bro but that way of thinking just makes you an A-hole.

[ThanatosDMC]

I like the penalty. I just wish there were more co-op missions. Crushing difficulty is awesome!

[D4RkNIKON]

This is where killzone 2 has a better system for people who leave a game early. You obviously don't gain the XP for the battle, and any badges or medals you were going to receive for that match. Now I do understand that if you have all of your badges then who cares, but I remember countless matches that I had to stick it out to get that medal. The most painful being the 90 minute matches where you get what you need near the beginning! But losing about 80 kills for having to leave is just mean.

[klashawnd]

This maintains the competitive balance and also doesn't penalize those who choose to quit for a number of reasons. I for one hate when I play a game of Plunder and then one of my teammates quits, leaving our team at a huge disadvantage. Then the other team decides not to score the 5th and final treasure, and instead just camps by the base with the treasure so they can rack up points. In situations like this, I want to quit so bad but why should i lose 40K just because the other team is being azzholes and making the game not fun for me to play? Allowing other players to join mid-game is a simple solution and would go a long way towards improving the user experience.

[Pillville]

"Some gamers have children and they allways take priority."

I have children too and they do take priority, and that means that they also take priority over imaginary money in a game. I will gladly lose some imaginary money when my daughter needs me to drink some imaginary tea.

[Delive]

Glitchers. What is your playing a round and someone is glitching. Hiding in a wall or someplace you can't kill them, but they can kill you. I have not seen it in U2 yet, but other games are notorious. I have left many rounds of Socom, Gears & Halo because someone was glitching. I didn't feel I should allow them to boost their stats and diminish mine due to a glitch. So I left. Should I be punished for that? And I'm talking about blatant glitches, not lag issues.

[Christopher]

If something is important enough to drag you away from the game, then it's important enough to not worry about imaginary game money that can be earned back pretty easily.

Sure, there are going to be those who are affected unfairly, but that pales in comparison to those would abuse the system otherwise if this wasn't in place.

[FamilyGuy]

That's just plain imbecilic. You can add that way simply to try and make a point but unless you're getting less than 5 kills per match or all your kills are attained by way of explosion (in which case maybe you should just give up on the uncharted multi-player), you're going to make money on other things just because of the way you're killing people.

You get money for medals too and you get those medals EASILY during matches.

[WildArmed]

Nah, I love the 40k penalty.
Never played a match where a player backed out so far.
Thank God.
GJ ND.

[travelguy2k]

not allow you to join another match until that one ends, you have to watch the whole thing play out. I think if you had to sit and watch and not play it would stop people from dropping out.

I have never dropped out but have taken a $40,000 hit for losing my intenet connection.

[Solidus187-SCMilk]

I dont have to quit often so its not that bad. If I have to do something I dont play online. Alot of people were just quitting before when they were loosing. Which could be good sometimes cause the worse people on your team would sometimes quit.

Your rank always goes up so 40k shouldnt take long to regain if you need to quit sometimes. If your loosing ranks because of this you probably are quitting too often or have connection problems. If thats you then you shouldnt play online anyways.

The main problem with the multiplayer is that there is no Free-for-all mode. Id like that because I dont want a team sometimes because you can loose alot of games because of just one bad team member. In FFA mode they could take away the penalty for quitting(or lower it) because it isnt hurting anyone like it is in team games.

[IdleLeeSiuLung]

So he didn't have time to complete a whole game because he wanted to play sports so he could ruin it for the other people playing the game. He deserved the penalty!

The flip side is of course if the other players are cheating and you have to sit through it.

The penalty might be steep, but 80 kills isn't that bad and it need to be high enough that people is detered from leaving. The only thing I think ND should do is warn them and give the user a choice to continue the game if it already doesn't do that.

Also, doesn't the first offense get ignored?

[WildArmed]

Yes the first offense is ignored. But if you keep quiting too often, then they dont hold back on whipping you into shape.

I hate games in which it ends up 1 v5 coz one team owned the other.
ND did a good job in making sure that rarely happens

[Pillville]

@teraclusterx

where to start...

"Heed me we are in a jobless recession recovery and to sit there and play MP all day is ignorant and irresponsible!!!"

Politics have no place in this discussion, WTF does a jobless recovery have to do with people not finishing their MP matches?
Sitting and playing MP all day is as ignorant and irresponsible as playing Single Player all day.
Same goes with spending all day watching TV, movies, sports, browsing the internet, etc....
and irresponsible? how do you know what people's responsibilities are? How do you know that they are ignoring their responsibilities and playing games?

"I believe game devs should not worry about the market of Low lifes that have no life and play MP all day as though they are winning something that makes theri lives more fulfilling."

Yes GAME makers, don't pander to your customers. Make only SP games, because that's much less a waste of people's time. How dare you follow market trends and try to make money! They should feel guilty making money in a recession anyway, right?

"They should concentrate on a great story that is both inspirational and identifiable (relate-able).
WHich Uncharted 2 story was."

They did concentrate on a great story, and added a MP too.

"IF the game could of been more spectcular and more longer without MP I easily would of paid extra for DLC or something of that nature .."

I guess inspirational and identifiable wasn't enough.

"All MP is is a waste of peoples time who should be spending that time getting smart and helping build a future for all of us!!!"

ALL entertainment is a waste of time. It's a waist of time on purpose.

[Anon1974]

Although I understand why Naughty Dog put in a penalty because many of you are right, having people bail on multiplayer games sucks, but a $40,000 penalty is a bit steep.

[Lawrst]

To everyone that keeps going on about my situation and why i was fined. Get over it, my main point still stands that the fine is crap.

IT WILL, It does and it has drove players away from the multiplayer. Uncharted 2 should have a massive multiplayer community in a year or so. But if they carry things like this along it wont be able to grow.

If you go on, arnt having any fun because you got placed in an uneven match against much higher level people than you (Happens so often)why should you have to put up with their matchmaking? Oh thats right because if you DROP you get fined....

I wonder how many people will stay with the game after that happens a few times and they can no longer buy upgrades?

To the people saying OH good, im glad they fine people. Are you really, do you want Uncharted 2's multiplayer to become the next Dark Sector? Stop being so selfish and put up with the problems that are associated with online gaming

[SilentNegotiator]

"I get punished for having a life and wanting to do something else besides playing your game"

I'm sick of quitting penalties.

[Digitaldude]

Its good no one leaves but often the game freezes or my net cuts out and I loose 40k, its not too bad as I can get it back in what 30mins but still.
The games online is so fun, Rank 52 at the moment.

[DaTruth]

Lol and bubbles!!!

That made me laugh almost as much as Epic Javelin Fail!(see. N4G article Epic Javelin Fail)

@Teraclustersx: I live in Canada and we just gained 78,000 jobs last quarter in our recovery. Is it okay if I play multiplayer games now?

@All Canadians: It is okay to play multiplayer online again! please stay alert for next quarter to find out if it is still okay. We have online gaming all to ourselves! All twelve of us!

[goflyakite]

I loved COD4, and I love MW2, but, UC2 has stepped in the right direction. Saying COD4 got it right is wrong IMO. I cannot count how many times I had to play shorthanded in COD4 (and now MW2) because of people leaving. It pisses me off when the other team leaves too. (just not as much because that usually means you're winning by a huge score)

If every game had what UC2 had, you'd find a lot more people staying in their game.

[STONEY4]

The penalty is extremely lame for me. I have a connection that randomly goes out for literally only a few seconds about 3 times each day. Now most online games would freeze, say connection error, then a few seconds later it's fine and I'm still in the match. Uncharted 2 kicks you out even if it reconnects in a few seconds, and I lose 40k for something I don't even have control of, which is about an hour of co-op work because that's mainly what I play. I could play Deathmatch and get 40k in about 10 or 15 minutes since I'm really good at it, but I like playing co-op alot more.

[cyberwaffles]

i know it's something a majority of you guys don't want to agree with, but ND really didn't make the best matchmaking system. i understand that it's their first time doing it with Uncharted on the ps3, but i think the matchmaking should've been improved since the beta. it takes forever to get a match started and when someone leaves no one can fill in their spot. i've had a few co-op matches end just because someone wanted to leave or disconnect (but other times it wouldn't end the match so i'm not sure how it works exactly).

i agree, the $40,000 penalty was just a shoddy bandaid to fix their matchmaking problem.

[Lucreto]

We all know about the fine. It is to stop sore losers from quitting the match and ending the game.

You are given one free go and have to pay the fine after.

"I left a game early because I was leaving to play sport, not something that can wait. I came home wanting to relax and play some Uncharted 2. BAM! I see I have lost $40,000 that I could have spent on upgrades."

It is not Uncharted 2 fault this person had poor time management. If he was going to play sports he should not have even started that round. We all know it takes about 15 minutes or so a round so it is his own fault.

I agree with the fine and Naughty Dog said it was appropriate and most fans support it. The only problem I have is if someone with a poor internet connection should not be fined is the game suddenly ends the game on them.

[Lawrst]

Hey mate, Your completely entitled to your opinion so i wont argue with it.

But what I will argue with is my time managment. there was a min left in the match, I thought it was going to be a quick round with the game I was playing. It went too long. Didnt help matchmaking took a while that night.

[Lucreto]

Fair enough

You seem like a up to the last minute gamer. If it was me I would stop at least an hour before I leave just to make sure I got everything. I just finished a few rounds of Uncharted 2 multiplayer but I am due for work in an hour and a half so I just stopped now but I could have continued if I wanted.

[Lawrst]

Im a impulse gamer, ill pick a game up for 10 mins I have to spare or so I have to spare OR sit and play for a few hours. So things like this REALLY get on my nerves since its holding a fantastic multiplayer back.

[Eamon]

What happens if you simply turn off your console? Will you still get a fine?

[silvacrest]

wouldnt that still classifiy as you leaving the game?

[Redempteur]

i don't quit because when i play it's for a fixed amount of time .
Games in uncharted aren't that long so it's easy to know when to stop .

i have a life too ..well that's why you have a run away free pass the first time .

[Motion]

It must be nice being single sometimes. Any gaming session can be cut immediately short due to a g/f or wife coming in and telling you that you're done. They don't flat out say it. But you know. Oh, you know.

[DaTruth]

I didn't get the free pass! They booked me the first time because my PS3 crashed. I was almost afraid to play again, but the double points weekend was on and that helped me make it up!

[nycredude]

Lawst

Who the heck plays 10 minutes at a time? I mean seriously you can't even finish a coop match in that amount of time so why bother.

@Motion

If you have a family allocate gaming time and separate from family time. Now if it's an emergency then who really cares about 40,000 fake money? If it just "oh honey can you get me a roll of toilet paper?" or "can you wash the dishes?" then come on don't be a wuss and let her wait a few minutes.

BTW I'm married.

[Christopher]

If you're an impulse gamer, then you're not managing your time well. #2's post still is pretty accurate.

You can't have your cake and eat it too. Either continue being an impulse gamer and losing out when you run out of time or learn to play multiplayer when you know you won't have to leave early.

[Rocket Sauce]

"Oh, hey guys. You want to go see Avatar? And it starts in 20 minutes? I'd love to go with you, but I have to stay home and play video games. Yeah, I'll lose some levels and it wouldn't be fair for me to let my team down. Why, yes, I am a loser and I don't deserve to have real friends."

Please, don't anybody let video games turn you into this guy.

[DaTruth]

If they were real friends, they would understand!

LOL!

[PirateThom]

I wish more games were as harsh with leaving mid-game.

I still say though stopping them being able to play another round until the round they left finishes and a 20k fine would have been my first choice.

[riksweeney]

Street Fighter IV is good for this. It lists the number of disconnects that a player has, which is a round-about way of saying they quit either by selecting to quit, their connection legitimately dropping or powering off the machine. More games should do this.

[DragonPrince]

I totally agree with the fine.

There's a lot of ppl out there who will quit for getting off to a bad start, whine about a map, etc. and leave the rest of the team to suffer.

Why should we suffer because ppl are sore losers, bad connections (excuse most of the time imo), etc?

[DeThEoRy]

if you dont agree you are just a mindless fanboy,

[Lets-Game]

wow one round mostly takes under 20min, I mean if you really got something to do then dont start it or if something happens then wth shiit happens. I love this system, people almost never leave so you dont have 1vs10000 match until the end.

[SIX]

I was in a game with the most racist prick I've ever encountered in my years of gaming. Anyhow, I was so offended that I left the game. In this case do you guys feel that it's justified to be fined? Just asking.

[CernaML]

It's called muting.

[mt]

^
some people just won't use what is inside their heads

[Hanilugtehul]

if there was no way to mute the player who was talking trash,but there is so i guess its fair. peace:-)

[starvinbull]

Report him and it'll only be the one game that gets ruined because you'll never have to play him again.

[kaveti6616]

What if I get removed from the game because I had a bad connection. Do I still lose money? I know, I'm the douche that has the sorry internet, but come on.

[starvinbull]

It's unfair on you but the game would be ruined for everyone if nobody got punished.

[Pumbli]

starvinbull - That's really flawed logic. So someone leaves the game and loses $40k, but just because he lost that money it's all right for the team, you know, because he got penalized!

I don't play this game online because of this penalty stuff, it is unfair to people who have bad connections like myself and I find it a ridiculous argument for the supporters of this method saying "just play when you have time". Ok, I have time, I sit in front of my TV and start to play Uncharted 2 online, suddenly my girlfriend wakes up and wants to watch TV. Now what do I do in that situatition?

I 100% agree with the writer of this article, surley if the game is ruined for the people that lost a member they can find another game just as easily as the first one, no?

Uncharted 2 is one of the reasons I usually don't play online.

[ZBlacktt]

You have to quit twice in order to be charged. If you drop your signal that often. Call you provider as that is an issue. What many player's are not stating is. They quit a game once before in order to get fined in the first place.

[Pumbli]

My provider is a company that's run by drooling idiots and monkeys, I've been trying to change to another one but they still have to find some paperwork for me to fill before I can change. Strangely they can't find it most of the time... How weird, I'll just have to drive down there myself when I have time since the company is in the next town.

As for two games before you're charged, I still think it's a bad idea for a game to have a penalty system like this.

[ZBlacktt]

Hope all that works out for you bro. As for the penatly. Look at my reply two down.

[Pumbli]

Thanks, I can see the other guy's side of this... Ah well, Uncharted 2 is still the best game I've played in 2009. :P

[ZBlacktt]

It's all good :) Btw, here's my player. I play Co-Op's 98% of the time. I know this topic pretty well, lol.

http://www.naughtydog.com/s...

[MonHun]

Dis stops sh*tty cheaters. It's all good bro.

[cjflora]

Maybe ask your girlfriend to hold off on TV for 10 minutes? I'm married, and my wife isn't so selfish that she goes "Get off right now, I don't like this." She's fine with me finishing an online match since she knows I'm on with other people, and leaving would be rude. She'll get a little annoyed if I continue playing for like another hour if she's not in the mood to sit there and watch, but 10 minutes to finish the current match is reasonable. Otherwise try and find someone who's a little more understanding of who you are.

[starvinbull]

Ok pumli you want to talk about flawed logic?

You propose that everyone can be punished at random by indeterminate amounts, the good the bad and the ugly because someone else quits out.

I propose that the people investing their time to play the game, investing their money on a good internet connection, and investing their effort in beating other players mercilessly should be protected from people quitting and spoiling the game.

Even if quitting out isn't your fault or is unavoidable it's your problem not everyone elses playing the match. You ought to be the person that incurs a penalty not them.

[Pumbli]

cjflora - I was just making an example, don't think too much into it. :P

Of course understanding and trusting your significant other is a must in any relationship that is to last. But sometimes I may play too many games... So I guess I deserve getting forced away from the TV from time to time. :P

starvinbull - Where did I say everyone needs to be punished? Maybe ND could invent an MP system where no one loses when someone leaves a game? Not the guy that leaves or the other players on the server, that would be great.

"investing their money on a good internet connection" yeah, like I said before to ZBlacktt, I am trying to change to another company that's not run by incompetent morons.

[Solidus187-SCMilk]

I know how you feel tho as I had NAT problems in my old apartment when halo 3 first came out and I would get disconnected from games alot. IT was really annoying. I eventually stopped playing until I figured out how to fix my connection.

It sucks for your team and there isnt a way to distinguish for the team and maybe not the game. If connection problem was a legit way to not loose money people would unplug the Ethernet or the router probably.

Fact of the matter is most people quit because they are loosing.

Id like them to make a FREE-FOR-ALL mode. They probably wouldnt need to punish quitters for that(or not as much) as they were not on a team.

[xg-ei8ht]

I don't see the problem leaving a game, stupid getting fined.

[ZBlacktt]

Do you play this game? I'm thinking not, because if you did. You would think otherwise. You play some 20 hardcore mins busting your ass only to have some guy quit because he sucks, gets killed often, has to go, etc. Then when he does leave mid game. You've just lost all your bonus points, medal points, check points etc. You just get the points that you killed bad guys with. Bascially you loose 60% of the total you would have gotten. Trust me, before this pentaly, I swear I was going to quite playing altogether because of so much wasted time playing. Only to have sucky player's leave time and time again. Or player's just quitting for whatever reason.

[realill]

They added it because game got too much leavers. A lot of people where leaving the game just because they where getting killed too much or got bad team to play with. Now this problem is not existent, thank you ND.

[General Jewels]

Awful Multiplayer System. I mean people got places to go somtimes, And quiting and being fined like this?

[PopEmUp]

Obviously you have not played Uncharted 2 Multiplayer (online) as you stated "...And quiting and being fined like this?" Yes you deserved it, why? Simple, you quited the game twice consecutively.

If you have something to do or going somewhere you only need to quit the game once not twice (consecutive)so there no reason for you to whine about the 40k loss

[SSCOOLCHEA]

Game takes 10 to 15 minutes sometimes it can go to 30 . If you can't finish a game don't fkn start it ...I quit and loss money and its cool cause its my fault. Its a good system for those folks quitting on people .If you have shltty connection and disconnect your azz should lose money to ( you know its frustrating in madden when your opponent lose connection and you get the loss). naughty dog should take out 100 thousand if you ask me .

[Goldsack]

..can someone explain?

[starvinbull]

Eye of Indra comic pack on PSN has them bundled. It's £4 I think with all 4 episodes included.

[monkey602]

Yeah it has something to do with the comics on the PSN store, though I'm not exactly sure how

[FamilyGuy]

But the people in my friends lists who HAVE those skins say that they were release on the European severs. Nothing special was done to get them. This is the first I'm hearing about the motion comic having anything to do with them and I was told those new skins would become available to the U.S. gamers sometime this or next month.

[starvinbull]

Phantom disagreer strikes again.

Wether or not the skins you saw are or aren't Bundled with the motion comics, 2 skins certainly are. That is a fact it would take you minutes to verify.

[PELVIC THRUST ACTION]

Kill your team mates and get kicked, OR just leave your game on and leave it there. You don't lose anything even if you basically just occupy a slot.

[redsquad]

That would have the same negative impact on the other players in your team as leaving and earn you a bad rep too.

[PELVIC THRUST ACTION]

Well, if Naughty Dog wants to force people to stay in games they don't want to be in, people will find ways to get over it. What if the connection sucks and is laggy? Gotta go to the bathroom? Something happens and you can't play? There's a ton of reasons, and I think if you keep cutting out they dock you 90-100k which is insanely stupid. So I'll just either get kicked out of the game or not play and play on my PSP until the game is over. Naughty Dog either needs to remove it, or fix it.

[FamilyGuy]

That team kill idea is what I was doing to get out of games when that penalty was in FULL effect. It only happens now if you outright disconnect. If you chose "quit game" the only penalty is having your character stand there helpless for 30 seconds.

[ZBlacktt]

again...... you have to quit twice. Not one time.

[silvacrest]

honestly, in this guys situation, if he cares that much he should have just left the game on and went out to play spots

yes, thats a waste of real money but its a option for the hardcore

[starvinbull]

I like how he says that he was punished because he's got a life and had other things to do yet he had the time to sit down and right an article about how he was fined virtual money for leaving a computer game.

[Solidus187-SCMilk]

I go to class and work alot. Ive never sat down and tried to play a game of uncharted 2 multiplayer 5 minuets before having to go somewhere.

I have quit before but not very often, so I can easily make it up. This guy thinks he shouldnt be punished because hes a MORON WHO CANT PLAN 10 MINUETS AHEAD.

The connection problem shouldnt happen that often and thats an ISP/network problem not other players problem.

[redsquad]

Guess I'm not playing UC2 online anymore. Too bad if I'm in a game and my disabled dad wants to use the bathroom, better not to go on in the first place.

[slave2Dcontroller]

favors the bold. Dont want to lose 40k then dont quit. It doesnt take long to finish a match anyways and its not like ND hid this vital piece of info, they warned us in the update.

[monkey602]

Ah what?! I stopped playing UC2 for a while because I just couldn't keep a connection for more than 1 game! I've been meaning to go back because as far as I have been informed there are patches out now that should help. I've been too busy with MW2 and Borderlands for the moment. Was about to go on UC2 now but this is completely wrecking my buzz, If I'm going to lose all I just about managed to earn, through being booted off.

[monkey602]

Just played a few games anyway and the connections are a lot better than I remember them, Maybe this wont be a problem for me after all.
Hasnt seemed to stop anybody else though, And there a still some really laggy games.
Still I missed this game :)

[sashimi]

I see no problem with fining people who leave....maybe it's just me but when me and my friends play...there is almost always a quitter lurking around the corner.

[sa_nick]

Don't play if you know you have to go out, geez.

[ReBurn]

Sounds like this guy has a time management issue he needs to deal with. The system in Uncharted 2 sucks for those who experience legitimate issues with leaving a game early, such as network loss, power loss or console freezing. I imagine cases like that are a significant minority.

But to complain because you had to leave to go "live your life" is astounding to me. If you have a life to live, make sure you have time to play online before you start playing online. That's just common courtesy for those whom I suppose don't have lives.

[ZBlacktt]

ok, first off this is not NEWS. Next, when you were fined. You forgot to add the part where you left another game before that. You only get fined for leaving a second game while online playing. So you quit not once, but twice. As I'm sure you've read in the reply's you've seen on here. You are finded for wasting other gamer's time. When you left for whatever reason. You took 60% the points the other player's earned to that point down with you. They lost their medal points and check points( Objectives ) or bouns points and medal points ( Survival ) because of your actions to leave. Now think of that happening time and time again. Because that is exactly what was happening before the penalty was put into place. So I'd suggest you manage your time better next time. If you know you have to leave soon and a avg Co-Op game takes 23 mins. The don't start a game at all, simple.

Ok, to the person that disagree's. Step up, be a man ( even if your not, lol ) and tell me why. I'll wait.

[Lawrst]

I didnt disagree but i did write the article.

"When you left for whatever reason. You took all the points the other player's earn down with you. They got zero because of your actions to leave."

Seems like a development mistake to me, its a multiplayer game. People are going to drop out no matter what.

No need to punish players for living. Or should all gamers stay inside on their consoles?

[ZBlacktt]

As I've said on the other side. You left twice, meaning you quit before. That is the only way to get hit with the 40k loss. That is the part you are not saying. As for punished? That would be the player's that didn't leave as they lost 60% of there total earnings because that one guy left. They did nothing wrong and lost points. Now think of that happening game after game after game. That is what it was like before this penatly was enforced. You would play hardcore for 18 mins or so and someone would leave. You just got shafted 60% of points, again and again again..... wasting hours and hours of play time.

btw.... this is me on there. I play Co-Op's 98% of the time. I know how it works pretty darn well.

http://www.naughtydog.com/s...

[avengers1978]

lawrst if you wrote the article quite your b!tchin'. You are the very first person I've have seen complaine about this...Really if the penlty is that harsh for you to take then step up your game, and earn more cash for upgrades.
How is this news, and why is this relavent to anyone else but you?

[Trebius]

If you only have 10 minutes to play...DONT play a multiplayer game. Simple as that.

If your house catches fire.

Leave.

If you forgot you had to go to class or some sort of practice...would it hurt to end the round?

Theres no excuse for leaving early...If you leave early, you deserve to lose.

[Marty8370]

The quitters would think twice, before quitting.

[peeps]

it's steep, however games don't last that long. if you had to go out and play sport why join a game when u knew u'd have to leave in a few minutes...

basically view it from the other perspective, how frustrated do u feel when ur losing, u look at the scoreboards and half ur teams left the room, or the other team hardly has any players to play against

[Austin_SJ]

Never happened to me

[solidt12]

Im glad he warned me about the 40k thing. I didn't know that.

[bjornbear]

because i have a bad habit of jumping in and out of games on my PS3 (Sorry everyone) - usually when I have friends over (or nephews) who want to change games.

But this will keep me from taking itt so lightly, also because its a bad habit and i'm aware of it =)

[Meryl]

I am glad he was never in Killzone multiplayer lol, we used to set up 2hr matches, if this guy can't even find the time to see a 15min match through, then he won't be able to cope in a long match.

[ian72]

@ pumbli
If your online and your g/friend wakes up and wants to watch tv tell her to wait while your finished. Get a pair you wimp. You don't have to do everything she say's.
She's the boss I guess.
If you don't have time to finish a game you started then don't start the game. Its easy. And if you have something come up It'll wait 10 mins surely.

[Baba1906]

i think its ok if your internet connection sucks dont play this game though =D. i love it

[BX81]

I really don't care about purchasing crap in UC2. I'll quit a game no problem. I don't blame people for quitting some games. I'll quit if my team sucks and I have the majority of kills and were just getting handled. If I don't have the most kills I'll stay in and try to end the game with the most kills. If they want to have a penalty for quitting I could care less. They should fix the match making imo. I like COD's stand on this. Come and go and if you go someone else will fill ur spot. no biggie. Some people have more important things to do. You can say don't play if you don't have the time but no one has ever been playing a game while something important came up right? All in all UC2 is ok on the match making clearly not the best I just wish they would fix the amount of time it takes to get into a game. It's not a Gears 2 wait but it's not a COD wait either.

[cyclindk]

So you try to imply video games aren't as important to you as say, sports, but then you get "really pissed off" when you lose some "virtual" currency that is useless outside of the game and easily recouped?

Not to mention that you don't have to leave the game, just kill your character off, or simply leave the controller where it is.

[BX81]

LOL! Good point if sports are more important then so be it!

[divideby0]

to the author...its for weak gamers like you who quit the game because as you say "you have a life"....BS...the time it takes to complete the match will not interfere with your life...after all...you actually have the time to write and whine about this...so how much of a life you really have...
cant make this stuff up...

their network game play is rock solid I have NEVER been disconnected by the network, so its losers like you who quit the game without regard for the other gamers...

[QuickdrawMcgraw]

If you know you don't have the time for a full match don't play.One thing I wish UC2 online had is rooms,like Socom.Where a person can set it up to run through a few maps with a couple of min. break between them.That why a person gets to know who he is playing with,maybe make a few friends along the way.

[Rowsdower]

but I have been dropped out of a game due to connection errors and have never once received the 40k penalty for that reason

maybe I'm just lucky, but the system works fine to me

nothing i hate more than playing plunder and then having 1 or 2 people drop on one team.

[isa_scout]

im not gonna lie everytime i play co op i have to drop out at least twice cuz co op survival mode is so awesome but it rarely comes up as an option, but im ok with the penalty. ND absolutely needs to make co op survival mode in a category all by itself , oh yeah, and let me have an option to quit the game while in matchmaking cuz once it finds the other players ur pretty much stuck there ( thats the only reason i quit) i only like survival mode in co op so dont force me to play something else

[Bluemaster77]

damn thats one helluva penalty and its just for leaving , naughty dog needs to loosen their collars

[Ashriel]

I agree with this guy, people should be able to join the match in mid game, in chase someone leaves, and automaticaly form a group after the match has ended, like Call of Duty 4.

I mean, they talked to IW, they should have copied that from them.

[Dorwrath]

Oh cry me a river. The guy quit, his fault. Penalty served sorry.

He quit because he went to play sports? So he knew he was going to go play sports. So why start the game then.

Dropped connection and things like that well that's just part of online gaming, move on play again.

Quitters deserve to be penalized.

[Shroom]

My friends and I have had many discussions about how quiting could be dealt with. I don't think it should 'cost' you in game, because things do happen and people do have to leave from time to time. In my opinion, a time penalty would be better. But I'm thinking more in the range of 15-20 minutes before the quiter can enter another matchmaking game....or whatever an average length of time for the gametype.
If a person has to leave a game for legimate reasons, then the time penalty wouldn't affect them anyway.

[CyberCam]

That's sure fire way of decreasing the Uc2 online numbers LOL! I thought the idea was to get as many gamers to purchase and play your game as much as possible, so your servers you've put so much work into actually get used!

Another problem that no one has mentioned is that it's really hard to accept x-game invites.

Lets say you've just started a game and your friend invites you to his party, do you exit your game and take the penalty or you let your friend wait 20+ minutes for you to finish?

9 times out of 10, your friend will start without you and then you'll have to wait or start another game... you and your friend will be going back & forth trying to get into each others party. Basically it renders the x-game invites useless!

[Shroom]

As far as your question, I finish the game. I don't quit. My friends know this about me and they are the same way. They can either wait on me or I can wait on them once I'm finished.
I do agree that it can hurt the online numbers, but would you rather have a smaller dedicated pop., or a larger one with a bunch of quiters? This isn't really in reference to UC2, but rather across the board for online matchmaking.

[SportsFan]

MOST PEOPLE LEAVE GAMES BECAUSE THEY ARE LOSING.
anyway, If you have something to do, then DON"T start a game then...nobody wants to hear your cries. I hear excuses like this all the time, and it's next to impossible to not know that you can't finish a MP game on time. In the small chance this is true, then the $40 grand lost is no big deal, because you will get that money back quick.

[cjflora]

Yea, eff this game. It's stupid anyways for online play. MW2 is so much better because you can cheat all you want with all of the glitches. Who wants to stick around and play online with a game that has great graphics, and players who want standards? Now off to go play the best glitchy, non innovative game ever!!!

[FernandoMartinez]

It's an awesome feature. I love it.

Seriously, matches only take about five to ten minutes. If you can't think 5 minutes ahead for your important social activities than just kill yourself...

Also you get the 40k$ back in 4 matches.

[The_Zeitgeist]

Unless your playing Chain Reaction. I swear every time I play that one in a ranked session it ends up lasting 20 mins.

[lswanson1]

Most people that play U2 have been playing U2 since launch and have millions of dollars (Im around 6 million). Thats less then a 1% penalty for me if I leave a match. It is absolutely justified because prior to that everyone would leave if their team was losing and leave a few people by themselves against the rest of the entire team. Is that fair? No, absolutely not. Im glad they implemented the penalty

[The_Zeitgeist]

Me too man.

[Socomer 1979]

you better clear your schedule and make a uncharted 2 appointment.

[The_Zeitgeist]

I am so sick of hearing people complaining that they lost 40k for leaving early. If it makes you mad then don't leave early. If you have to be somewhere soon then maybe you should not load up a game right before you have to leave.

[Troll-without-Bridge]

Quiting on a Shooter is not a big deal, there are plenty of matches... and the way to do things is like Mw2, where you still keep the points if the team leaves.

When im playing and something more important comes up, naturally im going to disconnect, loosing points only makes me loose interest on the multiplayer.

[NotSoSilentBob]

The first day they started the Penalty I went from 25 down to lvl 19 because my connection was being dropped as I was the server and my ISP doesn't allow Servers on a home connection. I've played maybe 2 game since online and both have been Coop and Im back to lvl 22 or 23, either way it is unfair to people who have ISP that are PRICKS. ND did not take that into consideration when they thought of this punishment and sadly I think in the long run they are going to loose fans for doing a Bait and Switch update.

They did a Bait and switch because the game had no punishment if you left early when it first was released. Then when the Holloween update came about they pretty much said Here you go enjoy loosing levels.

[Rosenberg]

The Total War games could have some use of that system.

[PS360PCROCKS]

See I can see both sides...I hate when people leave because they're A.) Gettin owned b) team is losing badly. But at the same time sometimes I sit down to play for a few minutes before I leave for say a movie or something on a Friday. I don't know how long the match will run and if I have to go I have to go. I see both sides, but I agree the penalty is ridiculous.

[Jamaicangmr]

The 40K is justified in my eyes, it's really annoying when people just leave. What i got an issue with is loosing a level along with that 40K. I mean am on a UPS but sometimes but i have no control over my internet fluctuating.

I think Naught dog should try to find a way ot make exceptions for people who get disconnected.That way people don't get penalized and end up gettin discouraged as a result.

[N4BmpS]

Yeah That is crazy. Okay I understand losing money, but a level? you work hard for those.

[SlaughterMeister]

Last night, I had to drive my Dad to work and I was in the middle of a match, so instead of turning off the game, I left it on until the match finished and had my cousin turn it off for me.

[ZBlacktt]

Guy who wrote this has now gotten 850 points for the thread % rating lol....

[Somnipotent]

get punished... and if that punishment is steep, then perhaps you'll think twice about it. same goes in real life... you get a $250 speeding ticket for going 30 in a 25 in a school zone in summer... ridiculous? probably, but you'll probably think twice about speeding after that. or probably not.

[SpinalRemains138]

Complaining about this. Please walk it off and don't start something you can't finish. My goodness, some people will cry about anything.

[Twizzlada_Shogun]

maybe not for a game like Uncharted Is this exactly "beneficial", but I wish they incorporated it in Left 4 Dead 2 somehow, because I have yet to complete a full versus game front to back without the server having to shut down because the other team (or my team) raged.

[Tunerboy8732]

The only times I got fined was when I was forced out of a game dude to connection error but that was only a few times.I never quit a match even if im getting owned lol which is rarely.

[camachoreloaded8806]

You might not like the game as much, but man...it took seconds to get into a match, and if too many people on one side quit, other people would be able to join in within the minute.

For this game, sh1t takes like 3-4 minutes to get a match started! And I'm all about my kill/death ratio, so if teammates quit, I'm not gonna be very happy about dying 50 times. But shoot, how hard can it be for players to join matches already in progress?

[FFXI101]

Before you start to playing UC2 or any game. (why would you sit there play video games when you know you have to leave very soon to play baseball or football?)

Don't blame them because you suck at game and wanna to leave. That goes to everyone who leave the game in the middle of the match, cause you suck.

I, personally think they go easy on those who levae in the middle of match, I hope every other games whould follow the same step(MW2, BFBC2, MAC, etc..)

[OhMyGandhi]

only problem with that concept is that if you are a "casual player" then 40,000 is something you didn't care about anyways, simply because you really don't care about your rank.

I am not a casual player, but I'd imagine they'd think like that.

[Enigma_2099]

... so I officially don't give a s***...

[divideby0]

author owned...guess maybe he will think before he whines next time..

[boss_killa]

the $40000 penalty is way too much. $5000 woulda been good enough.

but it still doesnt fix the fact that players cant join mid-game if other players quit. i really dont get this sh*t. im starting to think it's technically not possible on naughty dogs cloud sytem and they just wont admit it.

someone please inform me if this is not true. im on level 46 in uncharted 2 MP if anyone's wondering.

call of duty's matchmaking system sh*ts on uncharted 2's. atleast they let players join mid match if other players quit. im not a huge COD fan seeing as how i sold my copy of MW2.

[massapeal]

it a game man so if some quit it is wrong and get 40k taking from them its wrong hello there one who payed for the game they have the wright to do anything and what ever they want and now if they were get pay for it it would be a different story i would not quit if i was get payed i just a game people....

[DevilWillCry289]

I do agree that these penalties are stupid, but no one should worry because these are just video games and shouldnt be taken seriously, unless you dont have a life. Theres many solution for, but its up to the develpter to be smart and think about it. I dont care at all about this crap anyways. They can take millions of points away from me if they want, but I will quit as many times as I want if I feel like it. Games are to have fun, not to get frustrated.

[ULTIMATE_REVENGE]

http://i35.tinypic.com/hvz2...

[Soldierone]

it doesnt punish you after one quit, it punishes you after several quits within a time frame. So let me get this right, you had to go play a sport 3 times within an hour right? ...

[Myzer]

I think it's a good idea. It punishes those who annoy people by leaving in the middle of a game.

Don't start what you can't finish.

[sashimi]

It's only 40k. Most people have millions and the only people complaining are the people don't spend much time on the MP anyway so i don't see a problem...I do feel for those with connection problems but that is just apart of gaming and if it happens too often you need find a solution(i dced once and decided to use ethernet instead of going wireless since my router was close enough b4 they add in this rule) since you'll just ruin the experience for everyone else with your disconnects.

[Kakihara]

I HATE people who leave halfway through a game. I can't imagine being that unbelievably self centered and ignorant that you would effectively ruin the game for everyone else who is playing. It happens way too much and it's really annoying.

'Having said that', it's too easy to get signed out of PSN for no good reason for this monetary penalty to work. I got kicked once due to my PSN disconnecting and it took the 40k from me. It annoyed me.

I appreciate the fact that Naughty dog tried to deal with the annoying problem of people leaving but I just don't think their solution was very well thought out. I don't think people should be penalised in that way for leaving a game early, I just think the word should be spread that anyone who intentionally leaves a game early for anything other than an emergency is a complete and utter douche.

[TABSF]

After getting my Platinum I stopped playing this, found the multiplayer boring, always gaming on my PC, barely have time for consoles games unless they are really good exclusives.

Glade to see losers get their rewards, hate people that have high stats but all they do is leave games

[LeonSKennedy4Life]

My God!

I've YET to get a Platinum on a game on PS3! I'm a level 9 with almost 700 trophies and I don't have ONE Platinum!

I'm close on inFamous, Uncharted, Uncharted 2, and Little Big Planet.

HOW MUCH FREE TIME DO YOU PEOPLE HAVE?!?!?!?!?

It'll take me a good 50 more hours of each to get those trophies too!

Do you people not have jobs or go to school?!?!?

[TABSF]

I half my Platinum trophies when I was still at college full time and come out with my Diploma

The Plats I got whilst at college

Resident Evil 5 Platinum on 18/3/2009 at 18:05 after College
The Godfather 2 Platinum on 11/4/2009 at 13:47 either half day or day off
inFamous Platinum on 31/5/2009 at 3:08 all night, Wrecked for college

The Plats I got in my year out of Education.

Batman: Arkham Asylum on 9/9/2009 at 18:21
Uncharted: Drakes Fortune on 6/10/2009 at 1:03
Uncharted 2: Among Thieves on 30/10/2009 at 3:41

Going to Uni this September coming

Also I have 6 Platinum Trophies out of 608 Trophies total

[N4BmpS]

That does Kinda suck, but you have to understand; nothing is worse than being handicapped in a competitive multiplayer game. That's like playing football and losing a player and not getting anyone to replace him. That would really suck. 40K is too steep if anything they should bring the fine down, maybe 3 or 5k. I almost quit a game but didn't want to handicap my teamates. That's like quitting Madden(can you quit that?)I know I already had a football reference. My bad.

[DW]

... why are we still fussing about this?

[Galardo]

I did played the single player and loved it but never the multiplayer. And this is why

[LeonSKennedy4Life]

I love Naughty Dog.