The huge success of Modern Warfare 2 on the Xbox 360 was largely due to Xbox Live. Many users prefer to play it on Xbox Live than on PlayStation Network, at least, according to Microsoft's David Dennis.
Well of course thats what he is gonna say he works for MS
And because it's the truth. But I still believe the PSN offers the best deal, obviously, being free.
1. The install base is probably not as large as 8 million as of now. 2. "Consumers have shown that if you can deliver value, they're willing to pay for a subscription service, beyond just what multiplayer brings with an Xbox Live Gold subscription." - Um, Microsoft hasn't actually proven that people will continue to pay for XBL Gold just for the extra features. The reality is that people HAVE to pay just to play online. I wonder, if playing online was free on XBL, how many people would fork over the monthly fees for the extra bells and whistles. Since Microsoft doesn't allow its users to play online for free (for the most part), we cannot truly know if gamers would continue to pay for XBL GOLD if they didn't need to. 3. "The subscription fee allows Microsoft to create a better, more robust service with more features." I have both consoles and from my experience, XBL feels like it has substance whereas PS3 isn't connected well, or as I should say, isn't cohesive. This is probably because of all of the online features being separated into different places on the XMB. Other than, I don't really think PSN is as bare-bones as people would say. It has its own store, it has a place to get all the latest demos (though not organized in the same way as XBL), and those are pretty much the main features in XBL. XBL also sports videos that discuss new games or features or strategy guides and stuff like that. I never really bother watching those but I assume others do and they must love them. XBL has netflix but so does PS3 now, if I'm not mistaken. XBL has cross-game party chat which I love. PSN doesn't have that. XBL feels louder and more vibrant because of the choice of colors, the avatars, and the fact that most people online are gonna have mics. PSN seems a bit less colorful, but that's really a change in preference rather than a gripe. A lot of people on this site say it's a good thing that fewer PS3 owners have mics because they like the quiet atmosphere. I personally don't like it because it takes away from the cohesiveness of the experience. I also have no problems on XBL with people cursing and being racist or homophobic because 1. I understand that most of the time, taunts are a nature of gameplay. If someone calls me a "[email protected]" I don't take it personally because he doesn't even know who I am. Plus I'm nineteen and I'm not easily offended. 2. I usually get into a party chat with my friends so I hardly every hear anyone else anyway. 3. I use the mute button if I ever want to. Both XBL and PSN provide the same service but one has a few more bells and whistles that are not necessary for online gameplay. People will then argue which service provides lagless gameplay the most, and I don't really know the answer to that. All I can say is that from personal experience, I have experienced lag plenty of times while playing Halo 3. Whenever I play on XBL I have to turn off my laptop or make sure my AIM is off. When playing Uncharted 2 online, I never experienced any lag and my laptop was on and so was AIM. So in this case PSN won, but I'm not gonna make that judgment overall because different people have had different experiences.
So what else is new?
If online gaming wasn't part of the XBL Gold package, I doubt many people would be paying their yearly sucker tax. It's a shame that they thrive while charging for things that should be free, but their fans would rather defend the fee than demand Microsoft get rid of it. They're the only non-MMO entity that charges pay-to-play fees, and it's just amazing to me that they've suckered so many people into forking over the cash, no matter the price. To me, the only things that matter are online gaming, and Netflix to a much smaller degree, since I am a subscriber who loves their streaming service, and both of those things are free on the PSN. After 2 years of using the PS3 on a daily basis, I could count the instances of laggy online gaming on one hand, so the idea that it's a can-and-string operation over on the PSN is absurd. Of course I do appreciate the whole "one cohesive unit" feeling that XBL has, and it's something that the PSN is most definitely missing. It's just not a $50/year difference.
I have both and I have problems when playing online with my PS3 (lag) online Xbox wins... the games is another debate but online its not even close
"Um, Microsoft hasn't actually proven that people will continue to pay for XBL Gold just for the extra features. The reality is that people HAVE to pay just to play online" Exactly.
And in other news; Yes, people still go out and PAY for a Steak dinner, instead of going to the HOMEless shelter for a FREE LUNCH. JOY
but it's not. Gears much? The difference is that Live lets you get away with having a crappier internet connection, PSN isn't as unforgiving. But trust me, if you have a good internet connection PSN is lag-free. It's the cheapskates that think PSN is full of lag with their dial-up.
Just because MW2 sold more on one platform, doesnt mean that platform has a better online experience. "The huge success of Modern Warfare 2 on the Xbox 360 was largely due to Xbox Live. Many users prefer to play it on Xbox Live than on PlayStation Network, at least, according to Microsoft's David Dennis." Is that really the reason? Or is it because Microsoft had an exclusive advertising campaign with MW2, or the fact that the 360 has timed DLC, or the fact that there is just over twice as many 360's than PS3's in North America. Did these guys do Science at school? You used to have to make sure your experiment was a fair test.... but noooooo these guys just continue to talk out of their ass. Oh and BTW.... NA does NOT equal the whole world.
Exactly. It's undeniable that LIVE offers an amazing service... for a fee. PSN being free is the better deal, but as an overall package, if you don't mind parting with around $50 a year for LIVE, LIVE is the better service. Now that PSN is going to offer a Premium service though, I think it would be fair to compare PSN Service to LIVE Service, but I want to see what Sony includes in the PSN Premium. It would be amazing if you could rent movies and stuff under the PSN Premium service instead of just being able to have services like Netflix where you have to pay separately for movies and stuff. With that said, keeping PSN free even when the Premium service is coming is a great way for Sony to compete against LIVE.
Tell me since when can you get onto PSN with dial-up from your PS3? I very rarely have lag issues on live but my god almost every game i play on the PS3 plays like crap. MGS, Socom, LBP, Killzone so on and so forth. The only 2 games i have played that plays well online is Resistance 2 and Uncharted 2. I have played Multi platform games on both and Live is a far better experience. Everyone knows it, that's the difference between paying 30-40 bucks a year VS Free.
Oh right! The cross game chat, so you can annoy your friends when they're not even playing the same game you are. Funny, I use these services to play games online. One does it free. One charges. Other than that I tried both for a couple of years and don't see what's so great about XBL versus the PSN. I certainly don't miss being a gold subscriber.
And also considering PS3 HAS different variety of games, instead of this 1 BS GL!TCHMANIA BOT OF DUTY 2. Why do u think it got its exclusive console cause its INEVITABLE to have a GLITCH/malfunction game without is girlfriend.. getting BLOODY RED RING OF DEATH so yeah ..its INEVITABLE they were meant for each other .. PS3 owner's were playing Rachet, UC2, Demon Souls, BFBC2 beta, MAG beta, GOW3 demo, GOD of WAR 1 & 2, ...now Dante's Inferno Demo & soon GT5 demo.. So as u can see we don't rely on 1 game to ENTERTAIN us WE HAVE VARIETIES..screw it am a go watch some BLU-RAY..hahahahha
I'm tired of people complaining about the cost of XBL. I'm a sucker? I don't think so. A sucker pays extra for something that they aren't getting. They get fooled out of their money. While I think paying JUST to play online is stupid, I understand that it's just the cost of entertainment. No different than having to pay $4.50 a month just to have HBO. It's the cost of entertainment. I chose to buy and Xbox 360 and I want to play online. So I pay the price. How many people here pay for text messaging when email is free? How many people buy bottle water? How many people pay for death (cigarettes)? I work and earn my money and I'll spend it how I like. Don't tell me I'm a sucker for doing that. If I didn't need Live to play online, I wouldn't be paying the $39 year...at least up until I decided to check out Netflix which I am now addicted to. Oh one last thing if you like to nitpick. The information you get from Qore cost money, but it's free on Xbox Live. @sugard0 - North America is the world I live in.
The majority reason people pay for LIVE, isn't it's supposed great value. It's the fact is that if you don't pay, you don't play. It's called monopolization...a popular tactic Microsoft likes to use.
Well if it wasn't, why the f would you pay for it lol either way Psn still offer a better service in regard as it "Free" :D
xb360 lovers pay $100 per year next year for xbox live when halo reach comes out. mark my word that xboxlive goes up to $100/year after halo reach is released ... lol "Having an install base around 8 million more than the PS3 certainly helps, but the main factor is Xbox Live," said Dennis of the Xbox 360. hmmm with an official failure rate of 54% and 1 million xb360 banned when cod mw2 was released i really wonder if the lead is 8 million. smoke and mirror is microsoft way. microoft marketing department motto. lie lie lie deny deny deny, evade evade, evade, do it often enough it will be taken as a fact.... the microsoft way... well there are sheep who will defend them with their life
Though I'm with Fishy Fingers on this point ". But I still believe the PSN offers the best deal, obviously, being free." I know people that don't want to pay for XBL which is fine. This is still a business, in it to make money. Not everyone can afford a every service. XBL is better all around, though they both can perform the same basic function for why they do exist.
On a side note: GMC PR head said that they make better cars then any Mercedes, Ferrari and limos out there. so.. i bet that makes it true.. but I still rather own a Mercedes any day over that.
facepalm.....he work for MS.....why is this "article" on on N4G?
"While I think paying JUST to play online is stupid, I understand that it's just the cost of entertainment. No different than having to pay $4.50 a month just to have HBO. It's the cost of entertainment. I chose to buy and Xbox 360 and I want to play online. So I pay the price." Because you have no choice. And what does HBO have to do with anything? Your analogy fails. Wii doesn't charge for it, PS3 doesn't, and your beloved PC doesn't have an online entry fee. So why does 360? Because you have no choice. Whether you want party chat or not, if you want to use multiplayer, a feature you pay for when you buy the game, you have to kick that 50per up to MS. "How many people here pay for text messaging when email is free? How many people buy bottle water? How many people pay for death (cigarettes)? I work and earn my money and I'll spend it how I like. Don't tell me I'm a sucker for doing that." Again, your comparing apples to oranges. The connection between cellphone fees, HBO and bottled water to the conversation is tenuous at best. Yes, you can spend your money how you like. No one says you can't. And if you feel like you're not a sucker then fine. But that doesn't mean gamers that have been playing online games for almost 10 years or more can't object to a mandatory fee just to get online. "If I didn't need Live to play online, I wouldn't be paying the $39 year...at least up until I decided to check out Netflix which I am now addicted to." Loving Netflix on PS3. No additional fee either. I get on, pay Netflix, and I'm in. And I believe you're telling the truth when you say if you didn't need it JUST to get online you wouldn't pay. That's what everyones problem is with the Live mandatory fee. "Oh one last thing if you like to nitpick. The information you get from Qore cost money, but it's free on Xbox Live." Stop right there. Again your analogies make sense to you and only you. No one says you HAVE to get that information from Quore. The whole point, again, is that you HAVE to pay to get online on 360. Shoes in Home, Vidoes on PSN, or info from Quore are ancilliary features. I buy Modern Warfare 2, I play on PSN, and I don't pay anything extra. No mandatory fee barrier that prevents me from gaming online.
Hahaha, there isn't even any cross game party chat anymore. How is that better then the psn again? BTW, I just downloaded Dante's Inferno on the psn last night, and guess what, its nowhere on xbox live. Nothing against my 360, but I swear Im never gonna buy another multiplat for it as soon as the ps3 gets X game chat. I dont see the logic in paying for a service when I can get it free else where. Of course, that is until Microsoft actually comes up with that must have multiplayer title. IM still waiting on that.
There is actually cross-game party chat. Microsoft has allowed developers to forgo having that feature in their games if it doesn't comply with their vision of how they want their games to be played.
MS just gave devs the feature to disable it.. that means its still availiable for 99% of the titles. Mw2 chose to disable it, but i heard that they are rethinking it over.
you get what you pay for..i didnt bother opening this article its based on personal opionion not some dude across the world sitting at his computers views on this gen..
it's more of a business opinion.. considering he does work for MS. So it's not even personal, its just business.
You bought an Xbox Losers
MY PS3 broken network station 3 its pathetic, although I was in denial due to my characteristic of loyalty towards the dismissal console, I for once can said the ps3 its the gayest of them all. Nothing but headache with this worthless blu-ray player and I most said that I have never been raped this way in such a state that I have nightmares with the pos3. Oh fallacy and divinity does not fit together, and yet how is it possible to relinquish agony from such a broken station 3, there most be a way to redeemed one soul and I only see the possibility to come out clean and tell it like it is. Therefore here its the truth that has hunted me for the past 3 years: 1) 360 you are the GOD of gaming 2) PS3 does everything but backwards compatibility lol... 3) wiitarded its for kidies 4) No one has ever created a more advanced console than 360 5) Ps3 its the most un-reliable console 6) Ps3 its good for grilling quoted from george foreman 7) Pink its the ps3 fandroids color fact. pink console-dildo control For my conclusion, I will summarized the statement above in 3 words for dumb fandroids: PS3 its garbage. Truthfully yours: Sausage Slinguing ur face.
4) No one has ever created a more advanced console than 360 5) Ps3 its the most un-reliable console right there i cant even take anything you say serious anymore
PSN = tumble weeds blowing across an empty desert
nlvwithgms was clearly being sarcastic. Either that or suffers from severe, SEVERE, mental retardation.
No crap Live is the better service. When everybody says it's the better service except for PS3 fangirls in denial, it should tell you something.
PSN is free, but is bare bones in what you get. Xbox Live is the much better of the two.
PSN should catch up in time, or who knows maybe it wont, thats up to Sony. Until then I'm happy to pay for something that is worth it, as long as it stays cheap. regardless of wether live is better or not, microsoft makes a lot of money from live subs, this money helps them afford stuff like exclusive dlc for popular titles, this makes the console stronger and in the end is good for the fans, we all win.
Kev Care to elaborate on how PSn is bare bones? Last I check it had a huge video store, tons of games (online and full retail), online play for all games, dedicated server, netflix, demos, internet browser, ticker, and HOME which has become huge and getting bigger. Game launch from home and tons of small minigames. Not to mention if you have an eye then vid chat is there too. ALL this for free! Care to elaborate again how PSn is barebones? I really don't understand people who think like this. I have both consoles but NEVER play on live cause it sucks to HAVE to pay for what I can get for free just buy turning on the other console.
I hate when people say live is much better than psn. Live is extremely overrated at this point in time for a few reasons. Psn updates are allowing more features to be implemented in games. Just look at mw2, you can send game invites, join friends in progress, and play from match to match in parties. What else do you need really? Party up and send game invites in uncharted 2. You can easily party up with your friends and play clan matches in killzone 2. In Lbp you can play with your friends easily as well. Street fighter4, resistance 2 and so on. It's only getting better. So you see psn just depends on the games creator to implement same features that live has automatically. Still not worth paying for if u ask me especially since psn supports the biggest games with the biggest dedicated servers while live specializes in p2p for pretty much all it's games.
Was just curious on his response.
lol this is why you dont copy paste comments made in '06.. you'll just look like a fool, fool.
I dont expect him to say the opposite. Unless he wants to get fired
aye. It's strictly business.. nothing personal about it.
BY Dennis LOL. REMAINDER FOR THE BOTS:PS3 Head and Shoulders Above BETABOX 360
which is best is solely left up to the consumer, but the old adage you get what you pay for rings true when comparing xbl and psn. I'm no longer a gold sub, but for anyone who has used both services extensively, once you forgo any complaints about xbl's price you can't deny it's a better service than psn at the moment. However the gap is shrinking imo.
How are you going to forgoe complaints about paying for Live when you HAVE to pay for it. When the day Live becomes free (never) then we can talk. Until then it's a moot point. I also love how everyone keeps saying LIVE is better but never proves it. They just say it's better like that is evidence enough.
/\/\/\/\/ Above Until you play on both your comments are a moot point.
LOL @nycredude; you don't HAVE to do anything; paying for xbl is an option nothing more nothing less. When I paid for xbl I paid because I wanted to, when I felt like PSN satisfied my needs I stopped paying for xbl and the ps3 became my primary console. No one made me do anything and every other consumer has the same options I did, but the fact remains when comparing psn and xbl. Not the games, not the exclusives just the services. As it stands today in my opinion and many others the ONLY advantage psn has over xbl is the fact that it's free while xbl has many features i.e advantages that psn is lacking. Once again you need to experience both platforms extensively not just at a friends house for a few hours at a time. Edit - noticed in one of your other post you state you have a 360. I'm sure one of the games you have for the 360 has a xbl trial card for you to try out the service. You also get a 30 day free trial when you initially sign up for the service. I find it hard to believe someone has a 360 and has yet to even check out the free trial unless you have a hackbox 360 instead.
Its not even better by miles...just by inches...haha. Xboxlive sucks donkey dikc
It doesn't matter if you win by 1 point or 10 points, the fact is you still won. Yes, XBL is better.
Damn.. and here i thought itd be dennis dyack..
"The huge success of Modern Warfare 2 on the Xbox 360 was largely due to Xbox Live." I`ve said this before, but I usually get shot down by blind fanboys. XBL may cost the extra 40-50 a year, but it`s worth it, as it`s a more fun, more popular, and more supported online service.
im not arguing with you but how is "more popular" a justifiable reason to pay for live?
"The huge success of Modern Warfare 2 on the Xbox 360 was largely due to Xbox Live." Err well how else are you supposed to play it online... /scratches head
Precisely. The 360 is the more popular system right now. Keep in mind that most popular doesn't mean better. Look at the Wii.
You could play it on the psn. i know it sold way more on live but still, with over 1 million players you won't have to look far to find a game. but i know what you mean
If this guy said psn is better that would be like microsoft saying yeah we did make a pos console that burns down houses and scratches discs when moved and overheats if it doesnt get enough room it will never happen psn delivers a good service for being free and i dont wanna pay 60$ to use my own own internet connection that i alrdy pay enough for. Like i would pay the manufacturer of my tv to watch it when i alrdy pay for cable thats pretty much what microsoft does.
And the pope has a balcony.. Duhh.
Oh no teh crozz game voice chatz!! Please, get real.
Live is a great service. So is PSN. But ISPs are what are making online gaming suffer. Ah, I can't wait for lag free gaming... some day... some way...
Let's see what Sony and Nintendo spokespeople have to say about their online system: Sony: "Our's is the best" (This is true by the way) Nintendo: "Our's is the best - friend codes are the wave of the future!" (LOL) Microsoft: "Our's IS the best because you pay for it! So you have to make it seem like it's worth more when all PS3 needs is cross game chat"
"im not arguing with you but how is "more popular" a justifiable reason to pay for live?" Hmmm, when something is in demand, people usually pay for it, hence more popular, hence justifiable. Live is clearly superior to the PSN. Dare we mention Home and how miserably it failed? You get what you pay for and with free, you get inferior. I think what really burns all of you PS3 fanboys is that year after year you claim, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010 is the year of the PS3 and yet time after time, even after several price cuts, your precious console still falls short. And what's worse, it's losing to a console that had so many hardware issues!
Being I have both systems and have gamed since the days of pong and Colecovision I think I have been around the block quite a few times. I find myself buying only PS3 exclusives simply because of live's ease of connectivity. I have tried socom and warhawk with friends before and it just always seems a hassle. The voice quality on PS3 is another subject altogether but when you reach the age of 34, sit at a computer everyday and want a simple telephone like experience the Xbox wins. I rarely ever comment on here and really expect some type of negative response but I had to be truthful. Also I am hangover360 on PSN and have a 60 GB BC PS3 so I have had experience with the system. PS. what is four dollars a month when you work everyday.
It's debatable who's got the better online service, MS's online is more integrated into the experience, and has a more cohesive system for viewing what your friends do. Sony has Home, MS has avatars - you can't really argue avatars are better without looking like a fool (one offers a massive world to run around in full of mini games and allows you to furnish virtual apartments, the other is there for dress-up/extra revenue.) The sad thing is what Microsoft tells you - you get what you pay for, when in reality their service is the result of having better software and forcing devs to follow their protocol, it has nothing to do with their servers being better or whatever you want to believe. You're paying for the right to use your console, Microsoft makes far a away more off subscriptions than what it actually costs to run xboxlive. The one thing that cannot be opinionated is price, and one costs $50 a year(40 if you hunt for deals online), and the other is absolutely free.
"If you're considering a multiplatform game like that and you're going to want to play online, you're going to want to go to where your friends are and, let's face it, most people are playing on Xbox Live." dennis, most of my friends are on PSN... i hate to break your little heart but, i did go where my friends are and it wasn't xbox live... you sir are a tool...
for choosing PSN, cause that is where your friends play. That is best reason to choose one service over the other, and is one of main reasons I still pay for Live even though I also play on PSN. go figure
yea, i got no problem with xbox live... i've never used it but, i don't bash it like a fanboy does either... but, people shouldn't be persuaded to use xbox live just because someone told them it's the best online service... to me, the best online service is one that allows you to play games with your friends... we have two options; PSN & xbox live... choose the one your friends chose, that's the best option... one is not the better option than the other, both offer their own strengths and weaknesses... don't listen to this idiot david dennis, listen to your friends...
perhaps folks are simply out of their element and dont understand what happens when you f*ck a stranger in the a**
my avatar seems to be provoking everyone's inner "walter sobchak"... i've been hearing the one-liners all week, lol...
"I agree with your reason for choosing PSN, cause that is where your friends play. That is best reason to choose one service over the other, and is one of main reasons I still pay for Live even though I also play on PSN." One of the most logical things I have read on here in a long time. bubbles