Five games to beat Halo Reach in 2010

GamerZines: Xbox marketing exec Aaron Greenberg recently told Gamasutra, "I feel confident that there's nothing that will compare in size, Halo: Reach will be the biggest game of 2010."

Now Microsoft's over-confidence aside, we can understand why Mr Greenberg would make such a claim but there are a handful of titles which could challenge for the top spot.

[Dutch Boogie]

I agree with the article 100%. I would rather play Heavy Rain or The Last Guardian instead another Halo rehash. Innovative games where welcomed last generation but all of a sudden 10's are given out to average games which lack innovation since M$ introduced the 360.

Now ask yourself why that is?

[THE MAX SPEED 21]

I bet you warent saying that about KZ2 though. Graphics aside what makes KZ2 so innovative or Ratched and Clank or MGS4 or wipeout ? nothing and they all received great scores. making 90minutes of cut-scenes available in a game is not innovation. Making a Copy of F-zero is not innovation. Making a platformer that awfuly looks familiar to Jak & Daxter is not innovation. See where I'm going with this? GOOD games on PS3 , Xbox, Wii get good scores that's it.

And LOL @ blamming everything on the xbox360. gtfo

[Bereaver]

How can you say KZ2 wasn't innovative? It's style of classes, it's style of non stop multiplayer action through constantly changing objectives and of course.... as you mentioned... the graphics.

Now about Ratchet and Clank... I'm not sure if they brought anything innovative about it.... but... it's the only game in this age that brings the same feeling it gives. So... even though it's old... it still has an exclusive feeling to it.

And PLEASE don't say anything about MGS4. Anything you can possibly say will NEVER bring it down. MGS is a fantastic franchise and all it needs is to follow the story.

[Lou-Cipher]

A game doesn't have to innovate to be a good game.

Killzone 2 is a great game because they did alot of things right. They made a game with a good Single Player experience, and an addictive Multiplayer experience. Plus, they realized that this is no longer the PS2/Xbox 1/Gamecube generation anymore, and made a HD game with HD visuals, and HD audio.(cant say that about Halo3)

Have you noticed how every single Halo game gets lower & lower scores every time a new game comes out. Why do you think that is?

Quality is not a concern with Microsoft & Bungie, they only care about money, and that is why you will never have another Halo that scores better than Halo 1.

[THE MAX SPEED 21]

LMAO! ok yeah you're a PS3 fanboy.

"Now about Ratchet and Clank... I'm not sure if they brought anything innovative about it.... but... it's the only game in this age that brings the same feeling it gives. So... even though it's old... it still has an exclusive feeling to it. "

Have you even Played Mario Galaxy or Zelda Twilight Princess?

Speaking of MGS. I have nothing Against the MGS series. I owned all the games from PSone to PS2. What I'm saying is Tell me what is so innovative in MGS4? It's the same as the previous ones with with Upgraded Graphics .Domt get me wrong
MGS4, Ratchet , Wipeout all deserved those good scores even though they arent as innovative some other games were.

LBP , Heavy Rain , Lair are something out of the common and those games are innovative.

EDIT: @ Lou

of Course a game doesnt have to be Innovative to be good that's exactly what I am saying . But it seems that the 1st commenter is saying that games that dont innovate arent good. And its because of MS that they are getting good scores.
Tell that to the 1st comment who is a PS3 fanboy. not me

[darx]

No doubt about it.

[StanLee]

2 games can match Halo Reach in terms of visibility and sales next year; Mario Galaxy 2 and Gran Turismo 5. If Halo Reach is the huge leap Geoff Keighley has hyped it to be, Reach may have an edge just because of the wow factor.

[silvacrest]

the real question is WHY does a game NEED to be innovative?

if it is and does it well, great, i welcome it but many people like more of the same, MW2 is proof of this

@THE MAX SPEED 21, whats so innovative about MGS you ask? what game has a story that engages you on so many levels like the MGS franchise does? the only thing that comes close is god of war even so, it doesnt need to be innovative to be good

[Tiberium]

The title should have read, "five games halo reach will beat in 2010"

[heroicjanitor]

But they are more of a fresh take on things than innovative, I think you are confusing the two. LBP was innovative, Heavy Rain will be. But I think you have started to be influenced by critics of ps3 games, who always say not enough innovation.

If they say that, yet it is a very good game then they can go f*ck themselves since all that matters is that it is a good game and that it is doing better than it's peers.

Technology advancements are more important to me than innovation on the scale these reviewers demand of ps3 games, they want all new genres but we like the genres we have:)

Gran Turismo 5 technology is amazing and we'll have to wait for Halo:Reach's debut to tell if it has advanced or if it is more of the same. It will probably be a very good game if it is more of the same but I'd like some technological advancements as I said.

[Applegate]

Halo Reach will be the biggest game in 2010 no doubt.

[kalebgray92]

god of war 3, heavy rain, bioshock 2, mass effect 2, they are so many good games coming out next year halo reach is just another shooter.... it might be better.... but we can not tell until saturday when we see the trailer

[Perjoss]

was wondering when the paranoia articles would begin.

[Cold 2000]

"the real question is WHY does a game NEED to be innovative?"

The real answer is that they dont. Its just something PS3 fanboys spit when a 360 exclusive gets hype and/or AAA scores.

Like the Max Speed pointed out, games like KZ2, Resistance, God of War 3, Infamous, Uncharted are innovative at all but the PS3 crowd is more than satisfied by them.

Im not saying innovation isnt needed, it is, but Sony fanboys only complain about "lack of innovation" and suddenly feel a deep need for it when it concerns 360 or multiplat games.

[Unicron]

A game doesn't need to be innovative to be great. It just needs to do what it does well, and if it's a sequel, please its fans. I think Halo is fun, but I'm not a huge fan. I like the mythology more than the games themselves. Reach WILL be huge, but since I'm not its target audience, I don't really care. No amount of marketing or hype or promises can really change that. Nor am I a racing sim fan, so I don't care about GT5 either. However, I do respect that both franchises are juggernauts and do what they do well.

At the same time, I won't knock down people who ARE excited for them, and neither should any of you. Bungie is a talented team, if people are fans, let them enjoy the series they love. Me? I'm more psyched for other titles. I don't get why people cling to review scores and sales to dictate what they love. Reach selling 5 million copies won't make Peace Walker any less fun or important to me, for example.

[Blaze929]

"I think it's going to be the biggest game of next year by far."

...'nuff said

[Why o why]

best comment but only from a sales perspective and thats NOT my primary gauge for huge but yeah.....greenberg chooses his words and he did not use the 'quality' word and that speaks volumes

@ cold.....tut, tut you can blame the gaming media for displaying blatant doubles standards from 'nothing innovative' on one console to 'if it aint broke dont fix it' on the other Yes Edge im looking at you. Point is a game does NOT have to be innovative to be great but some strange double standards have been shown in favour of some consoles games other others...please dont act blind to the fact

[ABizzel1]

Can you imagine what the GOTY awards are going to be like in 2010. My goodness I'd hate to be the one making the cuts since people are going to hate you either way, because there are multiple games that deserve awards based off their demos/beta alone.

Getting on topic Halo Reach is going to be huge, but there are a ton of other games that are as well.

Sales wise- Halo Reach, Call of Duty, Gran Turismo 5, Final Fantasy 13, and Mario Galaxy 2 are going to be sales giants.

Review wise- God of War 3, Halo Reach, Gran Turismo 5, Final Fantasy 13, Marion Galaxy 2, Mass Effect 2, and Bioshock 2 are all going to top the charts. (Other games: Bayonetta, Heavy Rain, Splinter Cell Conviction, Alan Wake). And remember all of these games are in the first 3 months of the year with the exception of Halo Reach (and Alan Wake).

So if you're talking about both categories then Gran Turismo 5, Final Fantasy 13, and Mario Galaxy 2 are going to give Halo Reach it's most competition. All of these games should review in the 90's/100 and rack up at least 5 million in sales.

[callahan09]

"Have you even Played Mario Galaxy or Zelda Twilight Princess?"

The better question is: have you ever played Ratchet & Clank? It's nothing like either of the two games you mentioned.

[multipayer]

Than finally, we as "PS3 fanboys" come to the conclusion that halo is not innovative, despite being an original science fiction that pioneered several weapons in the FPS genre, and gives you the freedom to go where you want to go with vehicles and platforming abilities. Much like other FPS that don't really exist as frequint.

Title is correct, it would take five games to make Halo Reach less significant in 2010.

[Solidus187-SCMilk]

I have a feeling its going to be at least a "good" game and will be very successful in many different ways.

We should just leave it at that so that the many dont get upset when every thing they come up with fails to "kill halo."

Im thinking the most successful games coming up will be GT5, FF13, MG2 and Halo reach. One of them doing the best wont stop the others from doing great, so I dont see the point of a stupid article like this.

Ther is NO GAME that can kill HALO, Final fantasy, GranTurismo, or Mario. They cant even kill each other(especially if you consider they are on different platforms mostly).

Also Id like to know why so many games ripped off the recharging shields in halo. Only in most games it makes no sense as its health recharging(gears/uncharted/cod ). The only games which should have recharging vitality is halo and wolverine games. Or if its part of the story like in borderlands. Im sick of games that inexplicably have characters with recharging health.

[kalebgray92]

i dont think its that... its just halo 3 was the same as anything.... everyone loved halo both ps and xbox fanboys imo... halo 2 ppl were mad cuz of the ending but other than that everyone loved it.... now halo 3 was good but the campaign was meh... i hope that reach is one of the great games of the generation... i hope

[vhero]

Halo reach bigger than FF13?? Maybe... Better than FF13? Doubtful... It will be overhyped like all over Halos since the first game (which was amazing) and get non deserving too high scores. How about they try make a non Halo game for once? Bungie are too scared of coming out of the Halo cocoon they are in and making something else. Also Halo reach might not come out in 2010..

[nycredude]

max Speed

I don't see a problem with Dutch's first comment. It seems like you are the one who is the fan here.

"I agree with the article 100%. I would rather play Heavy Rain or The Last Guardian instead another Halo rehash. Innovative games where welcomed last generation but all of a sudden 10's are given out to average games which lack innovation since M$ introduced the 360."

Tell me again what part of this comment is NOT true?

[Shepherd 214]

Halo Reach will be hard to knock off. After seeing what bungie accomplished with Halo 3's robust and hugely expanded multiplayer features, its a compelling to think what they will do with Reach. nNot to mention i love Halo's story. Peter Jackson fell in love with Halo's story, thats gotta prove something.

[otherZinc]

Excluding COD 7 (that Halo:Reach will beat on the 360 handedly), Halo:Reach will beat all combined numbers of the remaining 4 idiotic titles this author suggested.

This is a clear win for Halo:Reach, people can hate all they want, this is going to be a powerful game that will be played until the next Halo game & long after that!

[Fragger2k8]

vhero, Shows how much you know.

Bungie is, and has been, working on a new IP. No one knows anything about it yet, but they've said at least a few different times that they are doing something new. They've even mentioned before that they would like to get away from Halo for a while to work on other things. Also, Bungie is not just in it for the money. The main reason they did ODST was for the fans.

Reach will be one of the biggest games next year, if not the biggest. I'm confident that Bungie is creating something really great.

[flash74]

The point of the article isn't what game will win game of the year, or be considered the best or most innovative. It's about what will be the biggest. Halo, like it or not, is going to bury everything else coming out in 2010. With what little we still know about the game, my focus is on games like Bioshock2, Mass Effect, and GOW3. That said, none of these will touch Halo in sales. It would probably take all three to even match Halo in sales. As far as being fresh and original, that arguement is just flat-out getting old. Look at Final Fantasy, Madden Football, or most racing games. All they do is tweak something here or there, the main concept on most of those games is the same. As long as you make a game that's fun and well designed, you will most likely have a winner.

[l King I]

The Last Guardian :)

[THE MAX SPEED 21]

Halo will be the biggest game of 2010.

When we say the biggest we dont mean like it's the Best Game etc etc etc. we're just saying yall know how MS rolls and you can expect that REACH will be hyped like crazy making it one of the biggest games of 2010.

[silvacrest]

yeah, i no what to expect

microsoft will blow another $30 million on advertising, whether the game is good or bad does not matter

[trancefreak]

just keep rollin halo out ever year thats your money train ms. take it from activision.

[Diamondwolf]

Why does it matter?

Seriously, why? Everyone knows MS will market the living F out of it. I hated Halo 3, but I tried it first, and I'm very anxious to try Halo: Reach.

Lemme rephrase that, I hated a lot of things about Halo 3 but I love some things from it.

The game is going to do well, point, blank, period. We know reviewers are going to give it a ridiculous score, whether it deserves it or not is all in the eyes of the beholder.

We all know that reviewers have skewed opinions just like you all have, some slanted towards PS3, most slanted towards the 360 and you know why? it's because MS is better than Sony at getting the word out and getting people behind them, ESPECIALLY in their home territory.

Now, for some PS3 fanboys who said in a previous article where are the "Will so and so do better than [insert Xbox exclusive]", here you are.

[Willio]

"Halo will be the biggest game of 2010.

When [we] say the biggest....."

I just want to point out this quote taken from Max Speed clearly mistakenly identifies himself/herself as a MS fan-boy or MS employee because he said "WE."

[PopEmUp]

I thank you for saying on behalf of all Xbox Fanboy here :D

[Lou-Cipher]

"I feel confident that there's nothing that will compare in size, Halo: Reach will be the biggest game of 2010."

Doesn't DVD only have 7.9 gigs of useable space on the 360?

You are an idiot if you believe Halo Reach will be bigger than Gran Turismo 5.

God of War III/Mass Effect 2/Final Fantasy 13/Gran Turismo 5/Bio-Shock2/The Last Guardian will all have higher Meta Scores.

Gran Turismo 5 will have higher sells than Halo Reach, & Halo ODST combined.

Halo Reach will have a mediocre Single Player Story that last about 7-8 hours tops. It will be the same ol Multiplayer with different maps and upgraded graphics(wont top Gears of War 1 Graphics, but it will look better than Halo 3)

Microsoft & Bungie will spend more money on advertising(brainwashing)than they will on the actual game. that will result in another mediocre game that sells way more than it deserves. (That's what MS does best)

[THE MAX SPEED 21]

Yes. You can Confirm that. You went to the future played Last guardian , Halo Reach , ME2 ,FF13 and BioShock 2 and came back.

Can't the game be on 2 DISCs? I mean MW2 is on 2 on PC. ME2 is on 2 Discs also.

So why can't reach be on 2 disc? Speaking of 8 hours Campaigns. Wasnt that the Time the KZ2 single player lasted?

Oh Yeah I forgot you went 2 the future. Silly me.

[Fishy Fingers]

Modern Warfare 2 on the PC is on 1 DVD, any second disc is bonus content.

[Lou-Cipher]

I don't need to visit the future to know that Microsoft & Bungie don't care about quality. (that's common knowledge)

If they cared about the quality, they wouldn't of spent $25 million on advertising, when the games development cost was also $25 million.

They would have spent $45 million on the actual game and $5 million on the advertising if they truly cared.(then maybe it would have deserved the score it got)

They wouldn't have released a console 3 years before it was ready.

If they cared about quality they wouldn't charge $60 bucks for ODLC

If they cared about quality, they wouldn't charge for Online.

Nobody need to travel to the future to see that Microsoft and anyone who sells their soul to Microsoft doesn't give a rats a$$ about their consumers, and they sure don't care about the quality of their products.

I was not trying to imply that the Story would suck because its 7-8 hours long, I was implying that it wont be the biggest game of 2010 with a 7-8 hour campaign.

Even if it does come on two discs, it still wont be as big as Gran Turismo 5.(and possibly Heavy Rain/GoW III ect ect)

[BadboyCivic360]

lol @3.1

[Hanif-876]

I couldn't of said it better myself!

[xboxlj]

I hit disagree instead of agree by mistake. However I completely agree with you. Halo seems to be the ps3 fanboys enemy. You mention it and they start to go crazy trying to put it down.

[Nac]

Bungie didn't spend anything on Advertising, that was all Microsoft.
Btw, have you even played ODST?

[ceedubya9]

I would think that when the term "big" is considered in reference to Reach, I don't think it necessarily has anything to do with the size of the game, but in its overall popularity and such. There are few game franchises that can touch the levels of recognition of the Halo name, so to say that REach will be the biggest game of 2010 (quality and game length aside) isn't to far of a stretch based on past games.

[SixZeroFour]

@lou - why you adding MS' faults into dragging down bungie?

"They wouldn't have released a console 3 years before it was ready."
-bungie had nothing to do with releasing the 360

"If they cared about quality they wouldn't charge $60 bucks for ODLC"
-pretty sure MS made the price become 60 instead of the original 20-30 intended WHEN FIRST ANNOUNCED a couple years/months before release

"If they cared about quality, they wouldn't charge for Online. "
-again, bungie has nothing to do with charging for LIVE membership

as for the other things you pointed out with cost and ad money, i dont know exactly who did what, but im sure MS chose how much to put into what (ad or dev wise)

bungie does care about its fans and the quality oft their game, if you actually look back at the graphics of 1-3, it did change significantly and try not to just remember how it looked and actually look at screens, i recently watched rvb season 1 on waypoint, played halo 2 for swat a month or 2 ago and watched some trailer for map pack for halo 3 and the graphics DID in fact change throughout the series (halo 3 graphics were good for its time, dont think you can update graphics year after year to compete with recent graphics when the games already out...multiplayer was the highlight for 2 and 3, and bungie changed a lot of things up for the development of REACH including using a new engine, so no you cant in fact make all those claims and pass them off as fact

[Pandamobile]

PC games don't run off discs. Half-Life 2 came on 5 CD's when I bought it, so multiple discs have never been an issue for PC games.

Console games however would require disc swapping mid-gameplay, so it's in their best interest to use one disc.

[flash74]

Sorry, but GT5 is going to get buried by Halo. You have to keep in mind the 100million+ install base that PS2 had which gave past GT's great sales numbers. The current PS3 base is a fraction of that, and won't even come close to helping GT beat Halo. As far as Call of Duty, the next one on deck is Treyarch, do I need to say anything else? World at War sucked. The only good COD's are made by Infinity Ward. Treyarch would find a way to screw it up if IW made the game for them, and all they had to do was package the disks.

[Bungie]

Nah

Halo ownz all

[3sq]

Nah

It's just another Halo.

[Sonyslave3]

Halo Reach will own all .

[4point7BillionLoss]

GEARS OF WAR 3?

nothing else comes close

[Aquarius]

Not including GT5 in this list means complete fail and embarrasment.

Halo can go piss off, from where ever it came from.

[LEGENDARY PELON]

N ur just another hater jealous cuz Halo is only for da 360 only

Yea its just another Halo,
Another big selller
Another record breaker
Another Halo game thats going to pawn all ps3 exclusives combined together!!

[General Jewels]

Nothing will touch Halo Reach....PS3 gamers know it deep inside that it will destroy everything in its path, Its confirmed Halo Reach wons 2010 and the rest of this gen until next Halo, also it will be dark ages for PS3, Will it be the death of Sony when Halo Reach comes? Big times ahead and 2moro first look big day.

[MajestieBeast]

Title should be 5 games that are sure to beat halo reach.

[Midgard228]

pretty sure final fantasy 13 will have more sales world wide.

remember halo is just an american thing just like the xbox. if they say exclusive wise then maybe, tho god of war will give it a run for its money.

only prob god of war has is its to violent for kids and we all know 60% of halo players r under the age of 16.

same reason pokemon games sell alot, children.

otherwise ff13 being an FF game and being multiplat will sell a crap loads more than halo

[ceedubya9]

Although FF is the granddaddy of RPG franchises, It is still a JRPG, which is part of a mostly niche market. Reach will be a shooter, which is a much more popular genre these days. I'd place my money on Reach selling more, myself. But, we'll see how things go with FF13 being multiplatform this time around. I could definitely be wrong, and your guess will have been correct.

[blu_yu_away]

As good as God of War III will be I doubt it will sell even half of what Halo reach will. If the Call of Duty name can carry over without IW involvement and the Modern Warfare tag it may have a chance but I doubt it will be nearly as successful as MW2 was. Final Fantasy, like ceeduby said is too much of a niche market. The ONLY 2009 games I see putting up a fight is Gran Turismo 5 and maybe Mario Galaxy 2.

[Pekka]

Although most Halo sales comes from USA, FF13 would have to have biggest FF sales ever to beat Halo:Reach. Because I doubt Halo:Reach is going to sell less than Halo 3. Halo 3 outsold every FF ever released (well, FF7 has sold about as much) so Halo:Reach outselling FF13 wouldn't be a big suprise. And FF games have lost a lot of their popularity with latest games, especially outside Japan. Hype for FF13 doesn't seem very high either.

The only game on the list which has possibility of outselling Halo:reach is Call of Duty 7. Medal of Honor might be big but I doubt it can reach Halo:Reach. Latest Medal of Honor games haven't been very successful. Old Republic definitely have no change of winning Halo:Reach. Old Republic is most likely going to be subscription based which will limit sales too much. I would say Old Republic is going to sell 2-3 million worldwide at best. Old Republic isn't even the first Star Wars MMO (remember Star Wars Galaxies) so having Star Wars in the title doesn't guarantee good sales. APB is not going to sell even nearly as much as Halo:Reach.

There are probably going to be couple of other games on Nintendo platforms which could outsell Halo:Reach though. For example Super Mario Galaxy 2 might have a change with good marketing. Although SMG lost to Halo 3, Mario is still very popular (games like SSBB, Mario Kart Wii and NSMB prove that).

[Foxgod]

What is this article talking about, besides Modern warfare, theres not a single game that attracts crowds like Halo does.

Why one earth would any of the games mentioned be a contender to Halo.

[PELVIC THRUST ACTION]

Because Halo is on the down turn and Halo Wars and Halo ODST have sold nowhere near the amount that Halo 3 have sold.

[TheBand1t]

It doesn't even have to be Modern Warfare. All it needs is a "Call of Duty" moniker and people open their mouths wide for more chewed up worms from momma bird.

[Venatus-Deus]

Halo 2 – circa 8 million
Halo CE – circa 5 million
Halo 3 – circa 8 million
Halo 3 ODST – circa 3 million

GT1 – circa 10 million
GT2 – circa 9 million
GT 3 – circa 15 million
CT4 – circa 10 million
GT5P – circa 4 million

Your showing your age a little there kid... :-)

Mario is likely to attract a bigger crown as well.

[RedDragan]

Agreed with above...

GT5 will annihilate all games in sales. It is going to be the biggest selling game of all time.

So many people will be interested in it, finally the graphics are there. It was always the daddy of racing games in that department but now it is of such high fidelity that the PC gamers and Wii casuals will look at it and want to give it a go.

Virtually every PS3 owners I know, and those I have met through PSN and various forums have said they are going to buy it. Also there is this little fact....

GT5 has been in the PS3 Top 10 Pre-Order chart since 2007!! That chart only tracks the last months orders. So for nearly three years it has constantly been gathering pre-orders. It probably has more pre-orders than Halo ODST sold in total in the UK. In fact, going on that length of time, it may even have a pre-order number that rivals MW2 sales to date!!!

Pre-Order numbers are almost never given out because people can cancel their orders, and these companies usually have shareholders and revenue estimates, so such figures are kept secret by the company selling the product. In this case Play.com.

It has also been in the Top 10 in Amazon since 2007, the largest online store in the world.

Halo Reach... will not... beat GT5 in sales.

Nothing... will beat GT5 in sales.

GT5 is going to be fastest and biggest selling game of all time. The question is, have you got your pre-order in because I don't think those stores will have the discs required to send out on release date.

I got mine in, all my mates got there's in and some of them haven't bought a PS3 yet. Seriously now, fanboyism aside, how many times have we heard that PS2 owners are waiting for GT5 before upgrading?!

[RockmanII7]

That's because everyone knew Halo Wars was an RTS (Their even was a demo on XBL before it came out) and the beast (MW2) came out at around the same time as ODST, and people knew that ODST wouldn't have a matchmaking service. What game is going to challenge Reach's sales? Medal of Honor isn't as big as CoD, and besides that the only big FPS coming out is Brink which will suffer for being a new IP (If Resistence 3 comes with better graphics than Killzone 2 then that would make it more interesting).

[Kal1138]

I think they're taking about sales and if you look at how much the other Halo games have sold, is it really hard to believe that Reach will be one of the, if not the, biggest games of 2010?

[shark97]

it should be "Five games wont beat Halo"
and God help him to find the games !

[PELVIC THRUST ACTION]

Another one of these crap filled generic halo games? Look Microsoft, the ship has sailed, Halo is seen for KIDS now and all the adults or older teens have moved to Call of Duty. I remember Halo 3 topping over 10 million sales. Halo wars? 1.5 million. Halo 3 ODST? Just over 3 million. The franchise has been losing steam and nothing is going to top the original arc. Just let the franchise die with what little dignity it has left. Or remake the FIRST Halo and give that online play as that's what everyone truly wants. The only thing Halo REACH is REACHING for is it's FORMER glory. And Activision already has you outed.

[ceedubya9]

Halo Wars is an RTS. RTS's aren't huge sellers on consoles, yet it still sold over 1 million, which is better than most games.

ODST for all intents and purposes is an expansion pack that shipped with all of the maps that most people already have. There probably aren't too many people that would pay 60 bucks for what they would consider half a game. And it sold 3 million you say? That's pretty outstanding, considering.

Reach should be the first "real" Halo release since Halo 3. If that game doesn't measure up, then we can effectively say that the franchise has lost its luster. But, considering the nuggets of info you provided, with great sales for an expansion and an RTS spinoff, this shows quite the contrary. Halo excitement seems to be alive and well.

[PELVIC THRUST ACTION]

That Microsoft advertised ODST as a NEW game and NOT an expansion. Bungie WANTED to sell it as an Expansion, BUT Microsoft wanted to sell it as a full game. And The RTS thing is true, I've seen many people buy it for the halo name. Then return it the next day because it's not what they thought it would be. I thought ODST would sell more considering the name in all honesty as it has more multiplayer stuff then the original, but surpisingly it didn't.

[redsquad]

Well well well, "another HALO game will save us". I'd feel sorry for 360 owners, but I know too many of them will actually fall for this bunkum and think REACH is the second coming...

[dj55555555]

Halo is such a great franchise its just a shame graphics or scale will be limited to DVD and other 360 short falls

[kaz-hirai]

"Five games to beat Halo Reach in 2010"

Five ? i think any game can beat Halo ;-D!!!!!

But its all bots have to play so they will defend it to its milked death ;-)!!

[Jikla]

Final Fantasy 13 will outsell and be better than any games next year. I would choose Final Fantasy 13 over any generic fpseseseses next year, even COD.

[candystop]

I love how max is being attacked by the same people that would of had us believe that PS3 was going to outsell 360 in NA the month of November. These trolls will say anything in favor of PS3 so honestly there's no reason to try and talk sense into them. There's always spin, always a theory, always some type of excuse to prove there nonexistent points. Halo: Reach will be the biggest game next year and after tomorrow the biggest gaming news this year as well. If KZ2 were the game being talked about I'm sure the title would read "No games to beat KZ2 in 2010"! Sony fanboys need to give it up and quit thinking everybody's dumb lol.

[Linkinito]

Where's Bad Company 2 ?

[Rob Hornecker]

Good point! When I read the artical I thought the same thing.BFBC2 is tops on my most wanted for 2010...so far. MoH is a close 2nd (with what we know about it thus far) If the people making MoH want to do it right ,they should get a hold of the people that were making the now canceled Six days of Fahluga. It looked to be a excellent military sim.

APB keeps getting pushed back and I haven't seen to much on it as of late.Also missing from the list was the new Splinter Cell,which to me will be the 360's Metal Gear.

I do know one thing,I'm sick of ww2 sims and anything zombies!

[silvacrest]

i dont no why the article does not mention sony's and nintendo's bread and butter games, GT5 and SMG2, these 2 games alone have the best shot and could even sell more

forget about the MMOs

[ceedubya9]

All of those games could be better quality games in the end, but it takes more than quality gaming experience to really "beat" a megaton gaming franchise.

Some of the best games ever made were played by a small amount of people.

[Roper316]

I'm really only concerned with seeing the new X-Engine and what it can do. For me the game I want most and is MY biggest game on 2010 is Heavy Rain.

[Jsynn7]

You know these days one of the big factors of a games success is hype. The Halo franchise and hype go hand and hand. You know when I knew Halo games comes out, M$ breaks out the near billion marketing budget to make the next Halo game known and make you feel like you need to own it. This guy mentions you'll see Reach ads plastered all over billboards, mags, and websites which is absolutely true. At some point in you day, you see at least 20 ads for Reach either on TV, on websites, and even on the street. Halo is M$'s bread and butter and they'll above and beyond their normal marketing tactics make sure Halo doesn't fail. We can all sit here and say that Halo is done and it's getting stale but, as long as M$'s mammoth hype machine is fueled by fanboy anticipation, Halo will always sell big. That's just cold, hard fact. I just hope that, when Reach gameplay and features are finally revealed to the world, it doesn't look like the other Halos and has some new stuff to bring to the table. In the end, hype will determine how well Reach will do (and since it's a Halo game, history has already shown us how this will tun out).

[bjornbear]

360 exclusive hypes and PS3 exclusive hypes is that

although PS3 fanboys will generate the hype for exclusives, the dev's / Sony Rep's hardly ever sound overly confident over their progress

on the contrary, 360 fanboys usually "engage" AFTER or WITH a dev / MS Rep's boasting.

With this I'm saying, 360 exclusives always seem to depends on a PR hype, almost as if being "told" its "hypable"

It's been like that before (Gears, Halo, Forza, Fable, the list goes on...)

[Jsynn7]

I've always said if Sony was able to create as much hype as M$ does with their franchises, any Sony title could be huge like Halo. Devs don't have to make this stellar industry-changing game. They could be lazy and could use the same old engine, game mechanics, and generic story. As long as you put forth the illusion (created by an insane amount of money) that this game will change the world forever and, if your don't buy it your totally lame, people will believe it and blindly slam down any amount of money to pick it up. That's the sad truth about hype and business in general. That's why you should always do your homework on the product first. Don't listen to reviewers or ads saying this is the best thing since the fire. Only you, the educated consumer, will know whether the product is worth your money. I'm just waiting to see and here more info on Reach before I make my decision on whether it'll be great or not. Until then, I'm not really interested.

[bjornbear]

ehm...a top 5 isn't enough, sorry.

weak list too imo

[CARRIERHASARRIVED]

Reach isn't even out yet. How does an article like this hold any water? Ok, I 'll take a look..
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Ok, FF13 probably, and that's only because FF games are always epic. The others won't have nearly the amount of multiplayer options as Reach, so I would say that Reach will beat all of the other shooters on that list, if not because of the name itself, the rest of the product will surpass them. APB I don't know enough about yet, but I hear it's like an MMO, so that means it's probably going to suck unless it resembles GunZ. Ok that last bit was harsh, but MMO's are pretty terrible (generally speaking).

[taylork37]

The actual quality of Halo:Reach will not matter. Halo will be bad because you "elite gamers" only own a PS3.

The PS3 fanboys on N4G comments section all have spoken, and it is automatically a bad game. We can all go home now knowing the truth about a game that hasn't even shown one trailer and a game you will never even play.

Thank you for clearing that up for me PS3 fanboys.

With that said, I will be taking turns playing Halo:Reach and Gran Turismo 5 while you guys sit on N4G and sh*t on Halo because it isn't on your PS3.

[Rowsdower]

will sell a ton of copies and will receive better than average to great review scores.

other games next year will sell less than halo reach, a couple might sell more, other games will be rated higher and others will be rated less.

Halo reach will have better graphics than some games but not as good as others

Fanboys will make a fuss over nothing, and N4G's discourse will continue its descent into cynical pointlessness.

might as well attempt to predict that sometime this summer it will be sunny

[Unicron]

YOU SUN FANBOY!

Rain rules! God! You always do this!

[TheTruth2009]

And the Sony Fans that won't acknowledge its impact on the Gaming Community and Pop Culture in general are delusional and big babies.

We apologize that Sony doesn't have a hard-hitting franchise to attach the PS3 name to.
We apologize that PS3 releases mediocre games that no one remembers. NO. ONE. CARES.
We apologize that your jealousy oozes from your pores just at the mention of Halo.

It's a MONSTER. And nothing will stand in its way.

And Halo:Reach will be the epicenter of the gaming world when it's released. And there's nothing you can do about it. It's coming. And it's going to shutdown the media for months before AND after.

So keep comparing your pathetic racer "GT5" to the biggest franchise of this generation.
You're just embarrassing yourselves.

Prepare for the onslaught.

Now go and buy something for PS3. Judging by NPD, no one else is. :-)

[MegadethAndy]

Microsoft are counting on fanboys like you to hype up that childish game. But then again, its all you bots have to look forward too.

[divideby0]

I have purchased every Halo game, except that complete rip off ODST..
This franchise has been on the downfall (xcpet in popularity)...I am intrested in Reach, but I can run off 6 games which can easily be better than more of the Halo milking franchise, besides, I will stopping my Live membership, I have been a charter gold member and no more pay for me

[bigjclassic]

that is GT5 and SMG2.

GoW3 and FFXIII will most likely top out around 5 million units a piece and that is being really generous at least towards FFXIII. (I am a die hard FF fan, but people will be disappointed by the sells on it.)

I expect Reach, GT5 and SMG2 to sell more than 6-7 million units.

*Is it just me, but I am really pumped about the Reach debut trailer, hopefully it's all in game.*

[OGharryjoysticks]

He's talking about the marketing they have planned for its release - not about the game itself.

[JonnyBigBoss]

I can name 7.

[ceedubya9]

So you know of 7 games that will beat Reach in all of these categories:

Advertising
Sales

Because quality aside, I can't think of too many games that could come close to matching Halo in those categories. When i see "beat Halo," I'm assuming that they are talking about sales most of all. There will be plenty of games that could be potentially better than Reach, but that doesn't mean they will sell better.

[bjornbear]

I think we're talking about video game quality, not marketing skills, this isn't a marketing news web site.

And to be honest, as a gamer, the quality of the game is the single most important factor to consider, everything else is merely newsworthy.

I hope the same is with you, otherwise, you're not much of a gamer.

[ceedubya9]

There may be better games than Reach in the end that are of better quality. Won't know that until they are released. But this article was about games that could beat Reach. It didn't go into specifics about what "beating" Reach means. Did that mean sales? Quality of the game?

The article was obviously referring to the "Biggest game of 2010" claim. That doesn't say too much about the quality of the game, but more so about the overal magnitude of the game in the entertainment industry. The Halo franchise has been near or on the top for a while now. The game will probably be talked about or hyped for months until its release. Which makes it a pretty big deal, no?

Now if I misunderstood this whole thing behind this article, then so be it. That's on me.

And believe me, I definitely believe quality means more than quatity.

And what do you mean this isn't a sales and marketing site! You know good and well that that is all that N4G is good for! :)

[shutupandplay]

5 games? Here is mine: GoW3, Alan Wake, The Last Guardian, GT5 and Mass Effect 2.

[Nac]

5 games to beat a game we dont know anything about.

[Nac]

I don't see a racing game competing with an FPS, but then again. I'd be lying if i told you I haven't ben thinking about picking up GT5.

[The BS Police]

Haven't we learned by now?

[Ninjaspeed313]

3 million in 1 day =)

[Dutch Boogie]

^ bots no AAA game since day 1.

[Man_of_the_year]

And yet millions of people still choose to buy those games over Sony's AAA games.

I guess people just know what they want to play and what they want to leave on the shelves in the retail stores.

[CrazyOrange]

why dont we SHUT UP and wait for the trailer tommorow then judge it?

[bigjclassic]

Reach screens: http://xbox360.ign.com/arti...
Reach trailer: http://www.youtube.com/watc...

[Zishyfish]

Although the only games of personal interest presented in that list is Old Republic and Final Fantasy XIII. I have been unable to garner much interest in wartime shooters as most people though, so again this is my opinion.

[SpinalRemains138]

Spacesuit men playing Lasertag in its fourth intallment outsells any other game in 2010 then I will buy a 360, Halo Reach and run through Times Square naked.

[jdktech2010]

Answer this for me.....how do you determine whether something beat something? In the entertainment market, it's about revenue. You always see the movies ranked every weekend and learn who the top box office seller is. I personally don't think of it as a competition but since some of you can't seem to understand how people can enjoy more than one game or more than one console, I guess the few sane people who do understand will just laugh and watch.

On a similar note, I wouldn't take some number thrown out to reflect opinions of one person (at each site...generally only one person does the review) as the opinions of the masses. I would take sales as one indicator, the user review scores (although those are mostly driven by fanboys) and one last thing.

This is a crazy idea but why don't you follow and comment on the games you are interested in.....This way, we don't have to read about the games you're "not interested" in and all this flaming stuff can stop.

I'll close with this. For a game that supposedly nobody cares about or respects, these articles sure do get a lot of PS3 fanboy traffic......why is that exactly?

Edit: By the way, horribly weak list imo. I'm not interested in the least in anything but Old Republic (please come out asap) and FF 13 (still undecided)......at least put a real game like God of War 3 on a bogus list like this

[SportsFan]

Halo: Reach will kill in sales, just like Modern Wafare 2 did. Halo is known in the streets...as we seen with ODST. (That game sold over 3.5 million...and it was not that good.) MW2 is not that great either, but the name is known...so you see it in the sales. although it pains me to say this...NOTHING IS GOING TO BEAT OUT HALO: REACH IN SALES!

[silverchode]

in sales the only game that can beat halo is mw3 or final fantasy 13

[finbars75]

Any game can beat Halo Reach.The fact theres another bungie game being made has to be hurting the industry.Low quality games for $69 cant be doing MS reputation for good games.The fact that the screen shots that everyone has been talking about is from the Halo movie that peter jackson was working on before dropping it into someone elses lap and turned it into the Halo Reach screenshots and quick clip.I feel bad for anyone who falls for this crap.They will be in for another dissapointment when the actual game comes out.Its time for bungie to move on and show us they are capiabl of making other games that dont tie into halo.The games coming out next year are just way to far ahead of MS and bungie that they will never recover from how much they actually put into this game.Sorry Halo wont beat any game next year period.

[Freak of Nature]

Halo Reach & God of War 3 to name a couple, are certain big money games,in a year of a few heavy hitters to join them like Mass effect 2,Bioshock 2,Splinter cell conviction,Allan Wake,GT5 etc,etc...

What will make me extra happy would be an official announcement of the next "Oddworld Inhabitants" game,throw in an official it's on announcement of "Beyond good and evil 2,with more of anything from Media Molecule,be it more LBP conent and or a new IP from them,and a official release date of the "Last Guardian" and this years gaming would be all win for me...

[JC_Denton]

Halo Reach is gonna be more of the same halo gameplay (The guys Bungie are skilled game developers but they are smart enough to know the attention span of their fan base and how it feels about innovation), you can be sure of that but there is no way any game is going to outsell it. First off, the teaser shown at E3 that showed nothing in the way of gameplay caused about 75% of the 360 gamers out there to crap themselves and proclaim that it will "own all". Second, it has Halo in the name, and third, it is one of the three or four games 360 gamers have to look forward to during 2010 and since there sure are alot of 360 gamers, just about every one of them is gonna buy it.

[Obama]

Killzone 2 already killed Halo ODST imao.

[twintipskis34]

lolz, ODST isn't REACH dumbass

[ipe]

gt5 ll beat it on metacritic and in sales.

Looks like most u are young and dont understand what powerhouse is gt franchise.

it wont be gow,it wont be ff,it ll be GT5.

[Jamescagney]

Pointless article. 5 games we haven't played yet that might beat another game we haven't played yet.

[twintipskis34]

HAHAHAHAHAHA This article is a massive pile of FAIL. ahhaha beat halo?? thats hilarious. dream on PS3 fanboys! ;)

[gameraxis]

that are in here fighting for a console in every friken post are pathetic.

I'll click on the open zone if i want to see this crap,i come to this site to discuss games. I wish all of you trash talkers the ban hammer. You belong in the open zone caged like animals, not out here interfering with the rest of us who just want to talk games. Learn to voice an opinion realizing its not fact, and take an interpersonal communications class or two.

You can clearly see the trend, a few respectable posts, then one idiotic statement corrupts and infects everyone to try and talk sense into that fool.

[allplatforms]

"You are an idiot if you believe Halo Reach will be bigger than Gran Turismo 5."

"Gran Turismo 5 will have higher sells than Halo Reach, & Halo ODST combined."

You are a complete fanboy idiot my friend stop posting. There are enough ignorant preteen posters on this site already.

[RedDragan]

GT5 will sell more, that is guaranteed. A much bigger target audience that Halo.

Most Wii, PS3 and PC owners have no interest in Halo. But they are interested in GT5.

[TwistedMetal]

All ps3 exclusives have 1 or more of those above. While x360 just had gears wich still fails compared 2 every ps3 exclusive. X360 has to many last gen games that are in HD. They are supposed to be the online console yet none of there games have dedicated servers or large player games. Ps3 has all these games with 32 players or more online and awesome modes. Warhawk,killzone2,socom,Fat princess, have 32players. resistance 40 playerd, resistance 2 60 players. Its has like 8+ player coop also. Mag 256 players. GT5 16 players. Ps3 rpgs Wkc&Demon soul has coop and mp online. Ninja gaiden sigma 2 has online. M$ and x360 devs have done absolutely nothing for gameing at all and dont deserve shi7 with there garbage a$$. Why you guys praise those who make crap last gen games x360 owners? Are you dumb?

[RedDragan]

I don't care what Microsoft say, Gran Tourismo 5 is going to be the biggest seller of 2010. In fact, it will be the biggest and fastest selling game in history.

It is eagerly awaited by most PS3 owners, it is eagerly waited by most PS2 players, there is a high amount of 360 owners waiting for it's release before buying a PS3 bundled with that game. Heck, there are millions of PC only gamers talking about it after they saw the Prologue demo.

GT5 will also appear in the news reports because of the specifications, where as most racers are simply games. GT5 is increasing being seen as a true simulator, it graphics is turning heads amongst the Crysis mob, and the sheer fact it has nearly 1,000 cars that actually do exist in unbelievable.

There is much notoriety amongst the series, and even more so given the amount of time it has been in developement, the fact it has the largest ever development team assembled, and the budget is akin to all the Halo games combined and the gameplay results show it too.

Other games will sell big, but GT5 is a game that will also capture the imagination of another kind of gamer. This kind of gamer always gets the shoddy end of talk from so called "Hardcore Gamers". Those new guys and gals to gaming... the Wii contigent, casual gamers. Imagine their reaction when the see the TV adverts showcasing GT5, a series that has always been marketted by sony as "The Real Driving Simulator".

I can guarantee you Sony will push that game, and that game will sell bigger than any Halo could ever hope for. It's target audience is everyone, and it has the weapons to get them all. And unlike Forza of Halo, the gameplay will be used in the advertising, not cutscenes that do not represent game play at all.

[RedDragan]

There is no point in Halo fanboys disagreeing me with me, the Top Gear test track is in GT5 and Top Gear is going to show it in one episode and that is guaranteed because they earn royalities from the the logo used for that track. They will push it on their series, and will likey get the Stig to set a fast time for other to try and beat online.

Top Gear is the number one car TV show in the whole world, with over 20M hardcore fans. These fans are like gaiming fanboys. To these people Clarkson, May, Hammond and the Stig are god.

So if they say that GT5 is awesome, which they will for obvious reasons, then there are a few million sales there from people who do not even own a PS3 yet.

Also, because of the sheer scale of this game, and having over 1,000 real cars and being classed as a Simulator, it will get a lot News time on TV, that is exposure that Halo Reach will not get.

There is simply far too much going for GT5 over any other game in 2010.

[Relientk77]

5 PS3 exclusives?

oh obviously

[RockmanII7]

Fo' rizzle?

[PR3DAT0R]

When AVP will come out next year.
http://i221.photobucket.com...

[Justin_bristoe]

my god halo reach! if this game looks anything like an old halo game i don't want to see anymore bots on here talking about halo!! you've gotten 4 fps halo games and they all play and look exactly the same!don't you ppl get it??!!you're being bamboozled!!if u like the story then go ahead but stop saying this franchise is great,it's nothing compared to even some 3rd party games.it's in the same level as left for daed nothing else!! i'm so sick of this mess i'v played all the way up to halo 3 before jumping ship that game has offered nothing knew in the story gameplay or graphics.what's the matter with you all??do u really have ms chips in your heads??

[TABSF]

There is no such games as

CoD 5
CoD 6
CoD 7

if they want to go on this logic they should be calling the next CoD game CoD12 or something, they is no 5, 6 or 7 so why do people call it that.

Halo is always the title to beat, it has one of the biggest gaming cult followings

[SpinalRemains138]

Why is a Halo anything article in the PS3 section? Funny how the mods scream and try to control fanboyism and yet an article like this one gets approved and is at the top of the page. This site is going downhill with lead weights.

[xg-ei8ht]

Please don't mention graphics when you talk about the wii.

Maxspeed.

Seriously.

360 best selling games are all shooters. and that's all.

Don't get me wrong i love shooters, BFBC2 Beta is one of the best shooters i've played.

Will be getting that game day 1 on PS3, because i cannot make myself pay for live, even though i have one.

[bdog8121]

i for one am not a halo fan. i despise halo,the only thing halo did was make the fps genre on the consoles a household name which im grateful for but when Geoff Keighley a highly respected gamer says it will be huge then it will be huge. As for me im waiting till i see the game in action, before i judge it. no fanyboyism here just enjoy the games.

[user8737759]

To kill Halo release a title with Call of Duty in it on both PS3 and 360. But its Halo and people out there do like Halo I am not a big fan of it but its a game thats needed in the line up of a console that needs good games. PS3 had so many great exclusives and what did 360 get Left 4 Dead 2 and Call of Duty. I see Halo beating out FF13 for the 360 in sales. So many great games next year so little cash

[jack who]

paged save for ownage

[Mo0eY]

Only a loser with no life (aka a bot) would save a page, mark it in his brain to remember to check when Halo: Reach comes out, and copy the link to the members on N4G.

God d@mn, that's pathetic.

[PopEmUp]

it would be funny if you get owned latter XD either way it cool that you save it lol

[devilhunterx]

Lincoln was right. You can fool some of the people all the time. They are the one who keeps buying "Teh Halo".

[LeonSKennedy4Life]

Heavy Rain and The Last Guardian are in their own league. They shouldn't have to be compared to a game like Halo: Reach.

I know none of them are out yet, but would you honestly put Halo in the same league as Shadow of the Colossus or Indigo Prophecy?

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!

[ASSASSYN 36o]

And here come the Anti-Halo articles. Evidence in their very implementation that Halo series is a collection of amazing games.

[altimako02]

i liked halo odst but the lack of online matchmaking on the campaign or on firefight is really a killer, the only way you can play odst multiplayer online is with friends, i will never buy a halo again if that is the case. halo reach needs to step it up (graphicaly, content, and every game mode needs online matchmaking with anybody ,not just people on your friends list) to get me to purchase it on day one. if not i nwill probaly just rent it