Shift: Why Wii will win

From scifi.com : "The Nintendo Wii has surprised a lot of people, generating loads of buzz from its strange name, unique controller, and low price point. But are those things enough to topple the monster consoles from Microsoft and Sony? An admittedly underpowered machine, Nintendo has taken a very risky path, ignoring gamers' cries for cranked specs and flashy graphics, instead going after casual gamers and focusing on what made people gamers in the first place: fun. Will this risky strategy pay off, and will the Wii succeed in the face of super-charged, high-priced competition? For a number of reasons I think the answer is a definite yes."

[Optimus Prime]

some people will be disappointed, really, after a day of work, i dont think many people want to wave their arms around, and moving around all the time. it will appeal to younger kids probably. not me though

[mikeeno7]

The Wii will not win. People's image of Nintendo (with their consoles) has been seriously shaken. Obviously, the majority of 'casual gamers' care more about next generation graphics because the fact is Playstation and xbox both outsold Gamecibe. A wrong move, and the knockout finisher for Nintendo in their console world. Their handhelds will always dominate however.

[Balance]

not to mention everyone in the last few years have come to view nintendo as the "kiddie" system. which are true, watching mario throw turtles at things over and over again just isn't for anyone over 10 or 12, sooner or later you want to shoot something.

[Marriot VP]

this is such a joke. The wii will never win anywhere but Japan, and that's still very hard to do. First think of the cost at 250, the 360 will drop down to there in no time so it's a no brainer for consumers who can get so so so much more.

-Price doesn't help them anymore
-Known and has too many kiddy games
-Fanbase is shrinking, it's about time
-The ergonomics of waving a remote isn't anything more than a passing fancy that'll get old real fast
-And finally the Wii won't last long term because of the non-HD and mediocre games...etc

[wakkiwakko]

Have a thought... will ya?

Nintendo fan base is growing. Even more so now than ever. DS has given millions of people the opportunity to enjoy games once again. And what's that? Nintendo not winning anything? According to every legitimate source out there... Nintendo has beaten Sony in the handheld world. Graphics don’t sell games. Well… maybe to inexperienced kids.

Nintendo knows that people don't just want graphics, but they also want games. Nintendo may not deliver HD graphics, but it won't deliver 87' graphics either. There's nothing wrong with that. If you believe that graphics = gameplay (as does Sony) then go ahead and waste money on a dead product. Yes. PS3 is dead.

It may come out this year. And it may be the next best thing out there. But developers don’t support it. The consumer doesn’t support it. Retailers don’t support it. It’s a Sega Dreamcast of Next Generation gaming.

Wii will be a cheap console. It will give gamers a new way of enjoying games and NO, not every single game will have you swinging arms. There is the Wiired control. Wii has GCN controller slots.

The first games (launch titles) will be the ones that will have you experiencing every single possible inch the Wii has to offer.

So yes. The Wii has won. World wide. Just like Sony won with the PSP. Hahahahaa. God. What a poor product that was!

[Marriot VP]

you haven't said anything but Nintendo marketing fuzzy thoughts. My point is that Wii WON'T be a cheap console because the 360 will drop it's price. The wii's at 250$ and the core right now is less than 300$. That's before they're price drop which is inevitable this year.

The problem is your not thinking long term or on a broad base. I'm definately not saying the PS3 will win worldwide because I don't think it will, but the Wii won't either. I'm not a fanboy that's just how it's going to be.

Yah not everythings graphics...well duh it isn't. But its the most important by far. The problem is how many people actually like Nintendo games on a console, not a handheld because their incredibly different platforms. Console you want power, handheld you want mobility.

The wii will just be nothing more than a 2 year market fling that will only do good in the first year.

[wakkiwakko]

The wii will be a cheap console. The 250$ price mark is just a rumour that’s circulating on the internet. Nothing has been approved by Nintendo. So you can’t say it’ll cost 250$. Also the xbox price won’t drop within the next 4 months, so the wii will still be a cheap new gen console out there. And people will buy it.

As for the race… there isn’t one. Nintendo is releasing a console to the public, not to show of that they are better than their competitors. It’s for the gamers to decide. They’ve chosen game play over graphics in the handheld realm… they might just do that in the console realm. I mean is it hard to believe that Nintendo has more fans than xbox and ps2 put together?

And Sony is now in a deadly slump. They want to finish the console before the official release. They are rushing it. Wii has been in production since March (or even sooner). Nintendo are completely ready for a world wide release. Sony will have the same problems xbox had when 360 first came out. And that’s that the consoles will die on gamers within a six month period. That’s what happens then you put quantity over quality. Nintendo is all about quality.

The graphics? Look at GCN compared to ps2 and xbox. GCN has more graphical strength than those two systems. Look at several high ranked games on the GCN and look at high ranked games on the ps2 and xbox. Graphically, GCN beats them hands down. Now look at the wii, it’s an upgraded GCN so the graphics will be better/sharper/stronger. It comes with a bucket load of features. It has a strong support from developers/retailers/consumers . What more do you need?

Only thing that the PS3 and X360 have that the wii won’t have are the high def graphics. And honestly… that doesn’t sell consoles. Games sell consoles. Nintendo has a large line-up of lunch titles that will sell the console.

[Marriot VP]

you've got to understand that the 250 price assumption is because the Wii's coming with so many accessories like the premium 360.

I wish I could find the link that tells what all comes with the Wii. It's like a headset, memory card, remote, console, and something else.

[wakkiwakko]

Yes. But Nintendo is not in a race to compete in the console world. They just want to release a console to the people. They can sell it for 200 and make sure that their price will never reduce. So as ps3 and x360 prices drop, the wii will remain as a constant. 250 seems high. Doesn’t matter what it comes with. DS has a lot of features too and it’s cheap. Cheaper than PSP. And Nintendo are making a steady profit from it. They can afford to release a cheap console with all the bells and whistles. As long as it sells. If Nintendo were worried that their console wouldn't sell… then they’d release it with a high price just so they’ll make enough profit to stay out of red. But wii will sell and Nintendo knows that.

[PS Sucks]

Well where do i start. I know, the fool who talks about "casual gamers" wanting next generation graphics. Listen you retard, if it was graphics people wanted then the gamecube would have came in second to the XBOX. In case you didnt know i will tell you. THE GAMECUBE HAS MORE POWER THAN THE PS2. An extremely good example of this is Resident Evil 4 the PS2 cant even dish out the amount of textures the Gamecube can. And to the other 2 fools, "the Gamecube is a "Kiddie system?" you must not be aware of the games that have been out for the GC for some time now. Since when did a game like resident evil 4 where you shoot people and make them explode become kiddie? And in fact i think the PS2 may have about 2 time as much "Kiddie" games as GC. And the only fact that the PS2 has more games is because of the fact that more than half of them are total crap. And finally to the guy who said people would be to tired to use the controller. If your to to "tired"(LAZY) to use the controller then buy the other one that is like a classic controller.

At least wakkiwakko knows the facts.

[kingboy]

i`m already tired of the WII ..used to be excited about this little beast but now it`s over sorry!

[Retard]

I'm comparing Wii to GameCube (You can't compare Xbox to Xbox360 or PS2 to PS3)

If I want Specs I'll go PC (which I do)

But Nintendo has given ~false hope. I'm sure with a few dinks and notchs PS/XB will have more then the ability of a Wii.

The price is a barrer of arguements you're buying half a Xbox360. No matter how strong 3rd (1st) party support is.

[shotty]

The wii is not be number 1, it will go back to 3. Why? because it can't sustain itself. Nintendo product come with a bang and then wimper off. The wii is underpowered and therefore won't be able to play the games that the xbox 360 or ps3 can do (normally these are the big games like GTA. I'm not hating on the wii, i'm just speaking whats on my mind. As for the number 1 spot it's fairly hard. Sony has the casual crowd that buys maybe 1 game a year and buy it solely because it's sony. And then there microsoft who has the superior PRODUCT. It's superior because gaming wise the ps3 is on par with the xbox 360 and the xbox 360 is loads cheaper, has more games out and has a highly established online community. Sony doesn't know the challenges of an online community, look at the ps3 and psp. It needs to be locked down, free of things that would make the experience bad for anyone. It also has to be moderated, if someone likes to curse at people during a match then someone has to shut them up and that person is Microsoft since they can do voice bans, text bans, picture messaging bans. You abuse it and they can ban that for you. This makes the community function, like in real life. You get robbed you want justise, not like the internet we have now. Microsoft has actually done it surprisingly well, sure you might meet an idiot of xbox live but the good part is you can choose to aviod him and never see him again.

[wakkiwakko]

I love how xbox and sony fans try to trash the wii. Results don't lie. People are tired of x360 and people are getting tried of ps3. Wii's fanbase is still growing strong.

[zonetrooper5]

ok i'm not tired of my xbox 360 which so some reason you said. like me and millions of other people, we are enjoying our xbox 360's and some people like me are planning to buy the nintendo Wii to go next to it. as for the PS3, i will buy that in a few years time.

[Marriot VP]

wakki's in his own Wii Wii fantasy land. For some reason he thinks everybody loves the Wii as much as him and thinks people are tired of the 360 and PS3.

The problem is that the Wii isn't considered a mature console or taken seriously. Which it shouldn't be for many reasons.

[wakkiwakko]

I know the Wii’s not meant to be taken as a mature console, or a serious console, it’s meant to be taken as a casual gaming console. Nintendo, they themselves, have said that they don’t see Wii as a primary console in a household. They know people won’t just go out there and buy the Wii and forget about the x360 and ps3. People need graphics. Same reason why people starve just to buy a Porsche or a Lamborghini. The idea of having something others don’t have, or have the ability to compete with another human being is what drives mankind.

I don’t care that the ps3 or x360 have better graphics. Nether do millions of people (it’s been said). They will still buy the ps3 and x360. Only reason why people will buy the wii is the games. Ps3 has the graphics and bluray. X360 has the graphics and soon HDdvd. Wii just has the games. (And I’m happy with that)

That’s what I’m buying it for. Not the innovate approach that they advertise. I love my DS. I love using the stylus. I see the wiimote as a virtual stylus and the world as my touchpad canvas. And the games themselves speak of how fun and how exciting they can really be. I don’t think you can tell me, straight and honest, that you wouldn’t want to at least TRY Mario Galaxies or Zelda. It just screams out fun and exciting. Sure it may not be the next metal gear… but all Mario games (even sunshine) happened to be fun one way or another. And that’s why I want the wii. I enjoy enjoyable games. And for years Nintendo hasn’t disappointed me.

Graphics mean nothing to me. I’m 21. I’ve given up entertaining my friends with the latest graphics in video games. I just want something that will help me enjoy the rest of the evening. (gameplay wise) X360 as I’ve said has nothing that I’d be willing to buy a console for. PS3 only has one game. When more games come for the PS3 and when bluray becomes the next dvd… I’ll buy the PS3. I loathe Microsoft and their products. Money hungry bastards is what they are. With so much money under their belt… they really don’t need a reason to make more.

If I had the money I’d buy ps3 and wii. But as I don’t, I’m sticking with wii. I don’t even own a GCN, as I thought of buying it a while back, the backward compatibility the wii offers lets me know that I’ve made the right choice in waiting for the next console.

I’m not saying the Wii will be the best console… as Sony says PS3 will be. It will surpass x360 in every way possible. I’m only saying that the wii will be the best console gaming can provide. PS3 is loosing developers as it’s expensive to develop for ps3 and x360. EA and other rich dev companies don’t see a problem with enriching both consoles with games. But others, simply can’t afford it. Not right now. X360 seems successful and X360 seems to be an ideal console to make games for: since a lot of people own it and they don’t feel threatened spending 600 on a console.

And right now it’s an HDdvd vs Bluray format battle. It’s only a matter of time when one will win and then the inferior console will die out. That’s what I’m waiting for. The wii has it’s own format and it’s not expensive to deliver for. So games won’t be a problem. Devs can make games for both the wiimote or the wiired. Even for GCN remotes. So they can simply add more visuals for games meant for the gamecube and release the game for the wii. Simple. Cheap and Simple.

If HDdvd fails… people will have owned the x360 for nothing. And PS3 will win in the long run as the console to have. If the bluray fails… Sony will loose a lot of money and the ps3 will become the next dreamcast.

You see why I’m worried. Wii seems to be the only console worth buying until the feud over formats ensues. When one wins it will be easier to decide which next gen console to support.

Wii isn’t a next gen console. It’s a new gen console. The son of the wii (which we will see in couple years (4-5) will be a next gen console. Ps4 and what ever the new name for the xbox will be will have to battle over a new Nintendo console. That will be a new gen battle. As HDTV will become a standard so will the format and Wii can’t support HDTV. Maybe we’ll see upgrades or something, but till then… Wii will just be a casual gaming console to sit next to a ps3 or a x360.

In my house it’ll just sit next to an lcd tv :D

[kingboy]

we not bashing the WII ..it`s just that it lacks something..i`m tired of cartoonish games all day..lol really who will own only a WII as a console alone?

[wakkiwakko]

I will. :D. I don't mind the kiddy games. For more adult games (ie. shooters) I own a pc. I don't want truly serious games. They can get frustrating and what's that for? Games are meant to be fun, and I’m pretty sure (like in all other Nintendo consoles) the wii will have a whole lot of fun, addictive and enjoyable games.

X360 has no games that are worth buying the console for.
Ps3 only has MGS4 (in my opinion) and that’s not worth 600 dollars.

For the wii I got wiiSports, Rayman, Mario Galaxies, Metroid, Super Smash Bros, Red Steel, Wario Ware… come on Zelda, Sonic, project hammer… I mean I’m not just naming random games here… people actually want to play these. X360 only has one game people seem to talk about and that’s COD2. I got a pc for COD2. and Ps3 has vocal hype about final fantasy game and metal gear solid 4. Other than that the other games seem to be just… mediocre.

I’d buy the PS3 if it had more interest.

[PS3sux360inchWiiWii]

Im still debating on getting one. Only reason I bought a gamecube was for the Resident Evil series. Mario Party was also fun to play with the girlfriend. I didn't like the new look/feel of metroid. Mario Sunshine sucked to me, didn't feel like Mario at all. Mario Kart totally blows now. The major games that I grew up with as Nintendo started to grow have just turned out to be junk IN MY OPINION. I miss the regular NES days. Super Smash Bros was and still is cool. Zelda I never bought windwaker cause of the graphics not my style. But Twilight Princess might have me sold to play. Red Steel is the only thing that seems truely awesome to me for the Wii. If I still got a Wii it will need more games like Red Steel to get my play out of it. Or it will fall in 2nd place to my 360 like my Gamecube did to my regular Xbox. 3rd party games I will still buy on my 360 over the Wii (if I choose to finally get one) because it will be a better graphics to enhance the expierence and won't have dubbed down gameplay mechanics to meet up with the controller. Im 22 and I started off gaming with Intelevision and NES. Nintendo may be awesome because they've stuck around for so long, but at the same time us people who grew with the system would appreciate to see some of the games mature a little. At least it seems Zelda is going that direction, even on 64 it seemed to be going a little dark? but all in all if they keep games like Red Steel rolling out and if it's good. It just may get my money for sure!!!!

[jinn]

cuz the dustbunnies pre orders have already surpassed 1 billion