"New Halo Reach Info Soon?"

It seems by a twitter update on Bungies twitter profile stateing " Big day today! Informing some external guests about Reach so they can then inform you all. " What does this mean ? Maybe a preview to some external sites and critics or talks about the Halo Reach premier on December the 12th. Hopefully its some info about the game, so gaming websites can give a preview.

[Bungie]

It's not that big

but still big

December the 12th will be huge for this year

EDIT: it's about halo reach

that's all i can say for now :)

[THE MAX SPEED 21]

What'S the news about???

[Elven6]

You don't really think this guy works for Bungie, do you?

[Saaking]

Probably a trailer. Hopefully a long when with ACTUAL GAMEPLAY and not fake CGI which we the game will never look like.

[deadreckoning666]

Until M$ drops the price to $200 or at least $250 AND included Wi-fi as a standard, I ain't buyin no 360..even though I think Halo Reach will be revolutionary.

Edit: I agree Saaking. ACTUAL GAMEPLAY is a must if they wanna show fans that they are deviating from the usual Halo and doing something more special this time around.

@Alpha-Male- U make a good point. Killzone 2 IMO isn't even in the same ballpark as that 2005 CGI trailer. I don't understand why fanboys say that KZ2 SURPASSED the 2005 trailer. That's absurd. It's not even an opinion really. It's just B.S.

I agree that KZ2 surpassed the trailer in SOME parts like the amount of colors on screen, but OVERALL, no way. A quick comparison of facial expressions show that KZ2 is quite far from the Killzone 2005 trailer as far as visuals are concerned.

"Killzone 2 deliver AND surpassed expectations. On the other hand, Bungie's own CGI trailer didn't even come close to the finished product."

Saaking, I thk ur trying to spin this. Bungie NEVER passed off any CGI trailers as actual gameplay. In 2005, Sony attempted to pass off the Killzone CGI trailer as ACTUAL GAMEPLAY. It was LATER that Sony said it was a tech demo.

[-Alpha]

Kinda like Killzone 2, eh? XD

I can care less if they release a CGI trailer. I'm sure they will continue teasing until they reveal something big at a specific time, maybe VGAs.

I have faith in Bungie as I do in any other respected dev team, so I'll just go with the flow so to speak.

[WLPowell]

I think he means like Halo 3 and Halo ODST...

[Saaking]

@Alpha

Killzone 2 deliver AND surpassed expectations. On the other hand, Bungie's own CGI trailer didn't even come close to the finished product. VERY disappointing, which is why I hope they don't lie to us again with bull shots. I want actual game-play to get an image of what to expect.

[albert_275]

Oh, Bungie did not make those CG trailers. Heck, they didn't even make their own cutscenes in Halo 3: most were outsourced to another company. They did make their own in ODST though.

[Saaking]

We'll just have to wait and see won't we. I'm expecting Bungie to come up with something as good as KZ2. If they don't then there's really no point and there's NO excuse. They have a ton of funding, a new engine, and time. If they can't pull of something as good as KZ2 it will CONFIRM that the Ps3 is indeed far stronger.

[Nac]

No, it really didnt.

[Xi]

I think there are a few games that look better then killzone 2, including but not limited to.

Mirrors edge, MW2, uncharted 2.

With several more coming up in the pipline.

One thing I love about owning multiple consoles is that I'm not blind to the fanboy glasses that seem to turn what would be objective posts into completely irrelevant subjective posts about graphics, and case and point is people saying that KZ2 looked better then their cgi renders. KZ2 looks good, but it's not as good as every playstation fanboy makes it sound, plain and simple. Yes I thought it was the greatest looking console game released, but the more I see new games the less impressed I am and the more impressed I get by what could be.

[PS3Freak]

Uncharted 2 is the only game that really looks all around better. Mirror's Edge was very colourful and looked good, but not better than K2.

[Silly gameAr]

@1.10

Yes, it really did. 'i watched trailers from the old E3 Killzone 2 trailers, and compared them with the full game release.

Yes. They did.

Youtube is your friend....sometimes.

[MGSR THE HD VERSION]

i thought fear2 was pretty much better than kz2, cause it runs with 4xaa on 360 and 1080p on some PCs.

[Xi]

Tell me, what type of background in computer science do you have to say such things? Show me your degree. How many siggraph and gdc conferences you've attended, or even read online. How does the basics of a 3d pipeline even work? Tell me what has killzone done technically that no game ever has?

Yes it's impressive, but it's not the be all end all of graphics. And artstyle continues to prove it's importance now more then ever. Deffered rendering has been done before (stalker), there have been better character models, larger levels, higher res textures, game with more aa, better full screen effects, more characters on screen, and the list goes on.

I'd say that both killzone and U2 look so good because of art-style moreso then technical achievement. And I'd say that games like mw2, tf2 and mirrors edge, mirror that statement.

And another point is that even openworld MMO games can look good when given a similar landscape as that in kz2.

http://www.dust514.org/

again playing to the fact of how important art-style is compared to technical abilities.

Killzone 2 is impressive, but it's no longer the best.

[-Alpha]

Whoa wait a minute. You need Reach to be inferior in order for you to prove to yourself that PS3 is stronger? Is that what this is about? PS3 is a far more capable machine than the 360.

Reach doesn't have to produce graphics like Killzone anyway. Since when is a game about graphics? I mean really, it's like you make expectations and then plan on seeing them fail. Graphics will always be outdone but it's true artistic flare in a game that makes something timeless. Just look at something like Shadow of the Colossus...Okami... Ocarina of Time, etc. Something like Killzone 2 will be looked down upon 5 years down the line because all the focus is on technicalities. But a game like Okami is forever timeless because it uses graphics to create art. It's valuing the heart of a game over valuing how strong they can flex their muscles. The point is that you shouldn't be judging Reach to Killzone over graphics. It's about gameplay, right? So why are you SO eager to see Reach in comparison to Killzone to judge that the PS3 is superior?

Also, I didn't say Killzone 2 didn't surpass and reach expectations, and your post stating that it is is irrelevant. For the record, the trailer was not as exciting as the game, but that's ok. Killzone 2's CGI trailer didn't match the final product. It was still damn great, but you continue to act as if it's bad to show CGI. It gets fans excited, and as long as you know it's CGI you shouldn't be expecting gameplay to be the same.

If you honestly watch a CGI and expect the gameplay to be the same then I think you need to lower your expectations as it is one thing to have CGI and another to have gameplay match it. CGI is never an indicator of a final product or gameplay. Bungie didn't lie to you (unless they flat out stated the CGI was gameplay), you just were misinformed it seems.

It's the same thing with K2's CGI which a lot of fans thought was real, which it wasn't.

[MGSR THE HD VERSION]

killzone2's characters were made up of 8 to 10,000 polygons,
http://forum.beyond3d.com/s...
http://www.flickr.com/photo...
you want more info then buy their book, it's all in there.
http://www.ballisticpublish...

anyways, frankly that's far from really setting a bench mark, and halo reach will no doubt beat that and set more impossible marks for kz to try and achieve.

[Greywulf]

I have 10 years of experience in Visual Effects both 3d,2d, Gaming and Technical direction which includes experience with Renderman/Mental Ray/ & Vray. Not sure who is trying to make the argument that Technology alone -- makes better visuals, because Im certainly not.

Kz2 luckily has technology & art direction making it the most advanced console game/engine out only surpassed by Uncharted2 with naughty dogs inclusion of Ambient Occlusion. People like you have a problem. You take the fact that Killzone2 is the most advanced gaming engine on consoles as some sort of threat that needs to be discredited. Its just the way it is. An engine is an entire package. Sure, a game can have a better character model than KZ2, but it wont be producing the same amount of post processing and amount of polygons running around on the screen. Thats not an argument, im sorry.

Deferred rendering is just a method to composite passes, Fear2 uses it but Fear2 doesn't combine that with the model detail/shader networks/physics/lighting/post processing/ and stream loading that Killzone2 does.

Sad thing is you have to go to PC development to back up your argument in the first place, which has no bearing on Killzone2's place in console gaming. Then even then, its an Unreal Engine PC game...

Is Kz2 the "end all" of gaming? No. Is it the most advanced console game out next to Uncharted2? Yes. Is it more advanced than the Unreal engine? -- Do I really have to answer that? Is UC2 the current most advanced engine out? Yep.

had a way longer f`ing response, but n4g error'd out my reply.

MGSR:

", frankly that's far from really setting a bench mark, and halo reach will no doubt beat that and set more impossible marks for kz to try and achieve."

Yeah maybe that will happen, because no other 360 game has been able to make impossible marks for KZ2 since the launch of this gen. But we will all have to just sit back and wait for that day.

At the same time its like saying because Forza3 has low-resolution in-game models, that it some how makes the entire picture less worthy, when thats not the case right MGSR? So a game with better models & models alone is a better benchmark?

Interesting. [saved]

[Xi]

1st you completely ignore my questions. 2nd you are clearly stating that the engine is the most advanced in your arguments, past and present (and only because it uses a 'fully dynamic lighting system at that).

"If it is more technically advanced than any console game out excluding UC2, how can you possibly disagree with that fact? PS3 fanboy or not. Its gaming technology." (that's quoted form you)

3rd uncharted 2 uses a baked lighting model, and I can implement a deferred lighting system in ut3 if I want to. But i chose to use their global lightmass illumination to give better shadows, or I can ignore them complete and have 'completely dynamic lighting'. FYI in killzone 2 many hard shadows are painted on in textures, it's a smart trick, hence why levels were 5gigs of space, because of immense amount of textures.

Also 3d rendering software works nothing like that in a pipeline.

but let me clear up some of your issues.

Deferred rendering is a lighting model, so of course fear2 uses it in collab with it's lighting. It defines where light touches so that it doesn't waist resources lighting/rendering unseen pixels. It's also heavily used to create screen based effects. It has nothing to do with physics. It's also has drawbacks in it's ability to create transparencies. If you'd like to learn more I can send you some interesting papers on it.

Also ambient occlusion has been in most games since 2005, and with the adoption of SSAO in cryengine most developers are using that instead now.

deferred rendering was also used in stalker, and the lighting model is actually better looking, it's also not 'baked'.

you have 10 years of nothing, or you're willing to accept that you've developed some infantile fixation by coming to websites like this. My guess is that you're 23 at most. And your 10 years experience is nothing more then playing games. Otherwise I laugh at your attempts to argue with people who are smarter and younger than you.

Show me your linkdn or something.

Like I said, show me proof it's the most technically advanced anything. AFAIK they've produced 1 gdc paper on their deferred lighting system which is nothing in comparison to other seasoned developers like crytek and valve or even bungie.

[GiantEnemyCrab]

"You can pretend MS didn't lead anyone to think Halo3's cgi commercials weren't in-game, but they didn't make it clear it wasn't."

That's BS Greywulf, actually Bungie went out of there way before the CGI aired during NFL that it was NOT gameplay.

http://news.teamxbox.com/xb...

They never hid it or tried to falsely represent the game.

[beans]

From what I've seen Alan Wake looks better then KZ2 and UC2. 2010 is around the corner and the we have best graphics argument is soon coming to an end. It's so strange how you guys rank UC2 over KZ2 when it looks fairly similar to UC1 with minor upgrades.

[Demon5500]

IT will not matter what people say, and how they compare there games. Fanboy sh@T aside, Killzone 2 should not be compared to halo reach, Halo reach should be compared to Killzone 3, As they will be released around the same time. This makes it a fair fight wouldn't you all say, There both developed on first party engines which up till now have all been based on unreal or 3rd party engines with Guide lines for 360 development, and same goes for ps3 multi plat, but all first party ps3 games have been developed for on sony 1st party engines edge tools phsyx. This to me will be the first sign that Xenos developed as a GPGPU can out do cell/rsx, But do not take my word for it just tune in on the 12th VGA and when you see it running, you will be shocked, From a gamers point of view we all win?

[Nac]

No need man. Played the trailer and the level with two tvs side by side. Both were set on 1080P.

This
http://www.youtube.com/watc...

Isnt this
http://www.youtube.com/watc...

Momma didnt raise no fool. The E3 footage is still "target render", which they almost reached.
In the words of the immortal Bond
"Close, but no cigar."

[Ghostsmoker]

seem to rule N4G. People only talking about the visuals ...
That's pretty sad. The first thing everyone checks is on what console a game looks better or which exclusive game looks better.

[ps3hasnogamess]

awesome.. halo reach gonna dominate 2010 for sure.

halo reach>>> all others fps in 2010.

fact.

[Pidolinpinpon]

you delusional bot

[PS3Freak]

You better hope it's better than ODST, otherwise, it will dominate nothing, fool.

P.S something that hasn't happened cannot be considered a fact, it is only a prediction.

[Anorexorcist]

A new line of Halo-brand toothbrushes.

A joint venture between the people at Microsoft and Crest.

LOL! Milk it like the family cow!

[kaz-hirai]

"New Halo Reach Info Soon?"

IT will only be a 3 hour Campaign again and will charge £50 for it ;-D!!!!

[SpartanZero]

GOW3 MAG GT5 Agent Heavy Rain The last Gaurdian Quantum Theory Mod Nation Racers Final Fantasy Versus White Knight Chronicles Valkyria Chronicles 2 Yakuza 3 < Halo Reach

[kaz-hirai]

;-D!!!!! silly chat boxes you have just nammed 11 exclusives for the PS3 and you have listed one 360 exclusive ;-D!!!!!

But it will probably come to PC anyway ! ;-D!!!!

[PS3Freak]

you just showed how superior the PS3 line up for 2010 is compared to the 360 line up. I swear some people on this site...

[djtek184]

what a dumb bot

[MONOLITHICIDE]

i dont think you could get any more retarded than that.

[albert_275]

It will be actual in-game cinematics - but not gameplay. But who gives a about gameplay, we all know it will be somewhat similar (which is good. I'll buy it). I really want to see the graphics.

[Saaking]

Which is why I want to see GAMEPLAY. I don't care about the cinematics (we all know they look good and are not representative of a console's power). I want to see how the actual game looks.

[PandemicPrawn0]

The graphics are the only talking point about this game.

We already know that the gameplay, controls and story will be up to Bungie's usually excellent standards.

What this game looks like will be the only bone of contention.

[albert_275]

It will be IN-ENGINE (actually confirmed by Bungie, dig it up around the internetz). If cinematics are in-engine, they actually are representative of the console's power - as done by every other Halo game to date.
The downside is that cinematics - as they require no AI calculations (background tasks)- tend to have better shadow maps, but that's about it.

[deadreckoning666]

Grewulf, when KZ2 came it was the best looking console game ever made. But I was impressed by the gameplay MUCH MUCH more than the graphics. This was probably cause I saw so many gameplay vids beforehand on the Internet, so I knew what to expect.

I know I'm not the only one who feels this way, but im gunna say it. KZ2, despite being the best looking console game at the time, DID NOT blow me away visually. The graphics were great, but not to the exaggeration of PS3 fanboys.

"Xi, Nice try with the fanboy card. But you're a walking joke if you think MW2 & Mirrors edge visually surpass KZ2."

If Xi is talking about console versions, then hes full a crappola. However, I have heard that COD4 on the highest settings on a 1080p screen looks clearly better than KZ2. Like I said, this is only what I have heard.

The problem with KZ2 is that its art style constantly battles its visuals. Its hard to notice all the REAL detail GG put in the game because the game is dark 75% of the time. If KZ2 only had full light environments with tons of colors, then people would have taken more notice. Uncharted 2 did what Killzone 2 should have done.

[SpartanZero]

Mass Effect 2 The Secret World Splinter Cell Conviction Alan Wake Metro 2033 Supreme Commander 2 Terminal Reality Game Scivelation PGR5 Killer Instinct 3 Blue Dragon 2 Prey 2 Ninety Nine Knights 2 Fable 3 Halo Reach Crackdown 2 Kingdom Under Fire 2 All Points Bulletin > PS3 ;-D!!!!

[PS3Freak]

Half of those games are sequels to garbage:

Supreme Commander 2
Prey 2
Ninety Nine Nights 2
Kingdom Under Fire 2!

Man, you suck.

[ZombieAutopsy]

you forgot to put Crackdown 2 on that list.

[Saaking]

I have a question bots. Since anything that doesn't sell 2 million in one day (lmao) is a flop (according to YOU). Then would you agree with me in saying that that following games flopped...hard:

-Fable 2
-Mass Effect
-Forza 2 AND 3

Answer me, I'd like to know.

[Anorexorcist]

But as usual, the little half-aborted idiots will go on their disagree clicking sprees and just run off like little d*ck-headed cowards without providing any substantive data or sensible arguments.

Being delusional is just the way to be for them.

[TheTruth2009]

First of all, let me just say how pathetic it is that EVERY Sony Fan doesn't acknowledge the greatness that is Halo.
Halo:Reach will be the biggest and best selling game next year.
And there's nothing you can do about it. Sorry.

Now to answer your question.

The Fable, Mass Effect, and Forza Series are great.
They have all sold millions of copies and are banner franchises for XBOX360.
Every time that they are released, they make an impact. WITHOUT BUNDLING.

But Halo and Gears are practically religions. No games are close in fan frenzy.

So you could say that they aren't Microsoft's Top Tier Franchises, but they are high on the list.

WITHOUT BUNDLING, they reach millions of copies sold and the implementation of XBOX Live keeps gamers playing the games online for months. Sometimes years. They have strong first months and stay strong for months after.

Sony has to help out their games due to slow sales. The "bundle effect".

Not to mention, Sony has no banner franchise. No face for the console.
And contrary to what you may believe, it's important.
Killzone 2 and Little Big Planet are prime examples of banner games that struggle to find traction.
(And stop with the new IP excuse.)

I still have NEVER seen fan frenzy for a PS3 game. EVER.
Neither have you.
That is why we all know that the TRUE gamer plays on XBOX360.
It's about passion. And Playstation Gamers have NONE.

So keep trying to downplay the PASSION of Halo players and try to criticize the phenomenon of Master Chief.
And wait until next Fall.

It's going to be heavenly. :-)

[ZombieAutopsy]

YAWN...huge wall of text with nothing but your OPINION, and you say their is no face for sony but it could easily be Nathan Drake or Snake...or hell it doesnt even need just ONE face like MS it has many. Dont worry though you can go back to playing your sales I have plenty of top notch games to play.

MS Doesnt bundle??
http://www.joystiq.com/2009...

http://www.joystiq.com/2009...

http://www.destructoid.com/...

If i remember correctly their was also a Halo 3 bundle and im sure their have been many more.

But in all seriousness though i hope Halo Reach is good, Halo 3 felt like i was playing Halo 2 with better lighting and that was all not saying i didnt like it but the game just felt dated from day one but heres hoping Bungie go all out on this one.

[JohnTheBaptist]

Halo will once again set the bar higher than any FPS before it when Halo Reach is released next year only on The Xbox360™. Tears will be shed on both sides of the console world - Xbox360™ fans will cry with joy as they play the game set to revolutionise the modern day shooter, while the Sonyflopfans will be crying a river of pain as they realise once again why The Xbox360™ is the true home of the true gamer.

2010 is surely the year of The Xbox360™, to dominate once again with award winning games being released throughout, and a year full of suffering for TheSonyflopfans.

[Saaking]

lmfao. You bots don't even try anymore. Wait till next month, wait till next year! Oh, how the tables have turned. Not much longer before bots become extinct and I'll rejoice when that day comes.

[Pidolinpinpon]

I will say it again. u delusional bot

[The real killer]

"Halo will once again set the bar higher than any FPS before it when Halo Reach is released next year only on The Xbox360™"

You are very funny.

What will set the bar higher than any FPS before, Your beloved Halo will never defeat Killzone 2 in graphics/visual/environment and the feeling if you play real.

So get wake up boy.

[thebudgetgamer]

were announcements of announcements make the fanboys go crazy.

;¡

[Xi]

I can tell you right now that halo reach will look different then halo 3/odst and one of the primary changes going into the engine is the inclusion of a new lighting model.

Where in the current engine each frame was being drawn twice under an HDR and LDR pass then combined in the buffer, the new engine won't be doing this. Halo 3/odst pretty much runs at half of what it can do. If you removed one of the 2 passes you'd see the game running at either double the resolution(or proper AA at least), double the fill, or double the frame-rate.

This new lighting model will also include the ability to transition from space to earth, feature real-time scattering for things such as light-rays and proper atmospheric conditions and time of day.

http://www.bungie.net/News/...
(read the first presentation to see some of their new effects, they have a comparison between halo 3 and their new tech)

along with this the engine will feature some of the effects that were used in odst(imo the most under-rated graphically impressive game this year) including:

Interior parralax mapping
http://www.ogre3d.org/forum...

full screen shader effects (for effects such as edge detection and blur)

new texture streaming methods (with help from ex Naughty dog members)

A completely new motion capture lab they recently built (and new modeling/animation again ex naughty dog).

And some rumored dx11 features like tessellation.

etc.

They also recently hired Natalya Tatarchuk, who created technology for ati's tech demo's and are working at putting in similar tech into the upcoming.

http://www.bungie.net/News/...

some other newbies include
Rob Adams - Senior Environment, formerly Naughty Dog...
Steve Theodore - Technical Art Director, formerly Team Fortress 2...
Richard Lico - animation lead & co-combat designer for Condemned 1&2...

While I doubt the game will look as good as killzone 2, purely because of the scale(halo has always had large large levels) it will look very good.

[albert_275]

Nice. I hated the double-pass lighting system used in Halo 3 (and ODST). I don't think Bungie set up their environments to know off their lighting enough, which they should have considering how resource-consuming it is.
I'm trying to imagine Halo 3 with weaker lighting but higher res textures, 720p (AA is not required...), maybe some motion blur,double the amount of detail on-screen...

[Demon5500]

Any body who thinks that this will look only a little bit better then halo odst better skip dec 12th VGA, it could be life threatening? The technology behind this tech demo will spanned on to the next gen xbox720, the "LOD" and shader engine and map surface tessellation, and lighting engine has not even been seen yet on ps3 or pc, but its not to say that it couldn't be done on other platforms, but at what cost, GPGPU is the next development cycle in this industry every next gen console will be based on it, But like so many insiders have been saying. When ati/MS designed the Xenos it was design two generations above what should have been available R600. And every ati fanboy knows that card R600 was designed with GPGPU in mind so the 360 GPU is based around a 2900XT not 1900xt like some claim. Just make shore you check out VGA, cos it will effect how all games are made from this point on? On every next gen console and pc games also?

[Neo604]

I'm sure they said so.

[RockmanII7]

Oh I forgot about that, but yea. The date the beta begins isn't announced (Jan. - Mar. most likely) but I remember hearing that it will last a week long. Another 1st quarter game to play... It's ridiculous.

[RockmanII7]

Awesome, but wish it was today. That would of made one epic birthday present.

[GiantEnemyCrab]

Happy B-Day Baseballfan!!!!!!

[RockmanII7]

Thank you. I got the best gift ever :)
http://shop.fruitionlv.com/... (Not the exact same kind I have, but a close enough model)

[foxtheory]

It'll probably be a trailer for Reach. They said they're announcing and showing a lot of new titles there, so my bets are on a that.

[deadreckoning666]

"Killzone 2 in graphics/visual/environment&am p;qu ot;

LOL, a PS3 fanboy only talking about visuals yet gameplay isn't mentioned...how typical. U just owned urself. KZ2's gameplay is WAAY better than its graphics and if you actually owned the game, you would know that. GTFO u poser!

[Demon5500]

Why do the sony guys never understand. You can not compare Halo reach to killzone 2, Halo reach is set to take on killzone 3 understand, Lets play fair. And as for people saying next month this next month that xbot, well it was not to long ago you sony guys were waiting for your games and some are still waiting for gt5 so grow up?

And one more thing Naughty dog were so red faced at a conferences a few weeks back when they saw Assassin creed 2, when they saw the 360 version, remember that depth of field thing that 360 could not do?. Well some of us Devs put the question to them about how come Assassin creed 2 could do more depth of field more texture quality moving world cloud system with particle effect the uncharted 2, you know what the reply was, and this is why the industry loves Naughty dog "NEVER SAY NEVER 360 HAS PROVEN THAT" If you do not believe the 360 can out do uncharted 2 depth of field go have a look at AC2. Enjoy your games for what they are?

[PS360PCROCKS]

december 12th? cool! I'm down, I hope the graphics are really good this time.

[peeps]

i agree. as good as the gameplay etc is i'd really like them to make the most of what the 360 can do graphics wise.

[Alan Wake]

Halo Reach >> All PS3 Flop exclusive

[Alan Wake]

FLopStation 3 have no games in 2010 hehehehehehehe only crap dog of war 2.5

[PS3Freak]

crap dog of war.... good one.. NOT.

[robotnik]

Halo, Halo 2, Halo 3, Halo ODST, Halo Wars, Halo Reach... I'm sure I'm forgetting one.

[PISSIO]

Halo 4 - end of patchstation brand

[electricshadow]

Good luck with that. Dumb bot.

[peeps]

looking frwd to some proper info tbh and really wanna see some footage/screenshots but i imagine we wont c them for a while.

halo3 deffo improved on a lot from halo 2 when the series made the jump to the current gen consoles but it's not a stand out game imo compared to most games out there now, this was further emphesised with the rather dated odst (imo).

here's to hoping Reach will be the return of a series that honestly i loved to death back on the original xbox

[PS360PCROCKS]

I know it's disappointing, they'll most likely show a teaser and we wont see anything for many more months. I wish Bungie would come out and show the graphics and shut up any haters. Everybody knows they know how to make a Halo game play well. Halo 3 wasn't a bad looking game, but compared to other exclusives it severely lacked. It doesn't have to look like Uncharted/Killzone but it definitely needs to look like a flagship title graphically.