The latest hardware sales figures have been released (Week ending November 14, 2009).
# Wii - 559,315 # DS - 493,958 # PlayStation 3 - 326,920 # Xbox 360 - 294,378 # PSP - 184,309 # PlayStation 2 - 69,276
I've been looking for an article to ask this question, but I guess this will do... I just finished Uncharted 2 two day ago and starting thinking about it. What I figured out is that Uncharted 2 and Gears 2 are very similar in gameplay. Anyone else notice this? If you take out the platforming and better lighting and such, the gameplay is virtually the same. U2's story is longer but it's basically eye for eye. Story mode for each, 5 on 5 multiplayer, Horde mode and 3 player co-op(alot like Horde mode). Before you hate, go back and play both games and see! On topic: Good sales for all consoles leading into the holiday season, should be a good battle!
UC2 is much better than Gears though. The animations aren't stiff and neither are the movements. There's a lot more options (you can climb, jump, etc). I think Epic should look at what ND did with the cover system and improve Gears 3 as much as possible. Good to see PS3 beating the 360. It's obvious the 360 will now be bound to third place. You tried MS, you tried.
PlayStation 3 - 326,920 Xbox 360 - 294,378 = 32542 difference WORLDWIDE. Yea it's really obvious the 360 is bound to last place /sarcasm. So 2 months after the price cut that was supposed to send the PS3 to the moon, and there's only a 30 000 difference worldwide. You tried Sony, you tried. Might perhaps catch up in 2020 at that pace. Quick another price cut Sony !
If you consider how many of those 360 sales would have been massively bumped up by MW2, Sony did awesome! Lol plus its MS if anyone who will be coming with the desperado price cuts!! "360... now just $29.99!!" LoLz!
Yeah lets just forget the PS3 had a massive 100$ price cut + Uncharted 2. I'm ready to bet a 100$ price cut has more effect than the release of a MULTIPLAT game.
in UK it was only like £40, i.e. not massive. And I belive in U.S and other major territorites sales for MW2 were skewed something like 2:1??? On a game that sold how many million? What were the 360 preorders like for MW2?
i stopped reading further. its not worth the hit button. according to VGChartz they said halo ODST sales in 24 hours at 2 million and after some weeks at 3.7 million but after a month another more reliable source claimed that Halo ODST finally reached 2 million copy. shows how reliable "according to VGChartz" is @Cold 2000 you are a sad case if you think ps3 only sold 32k more this week than 360. by the end of the year we will see what both companies have sold. usually ps3 is higher. and if you want to know how many 360 is out there compared to the ps3 than just count the online subscribers and they will tell you interesting numbers!! usually not all users go online but certain percentage do go online, this percentage is more or less the same in PSN or Xbox Live. PSN users is at the same amount of Xbox Live, correct me if I am wrong! which mean ps3 install base is something the same as 360.
NOW IS OUR TIME!!!!!!!!! *Que badassed Vasari themed musical score*
360 is bound to be in third place every in monthly sales. Let's no forget the 360 came out ONE year before the PS3 and had the whole year with NO competition.
"Lol plus its MS if anyone who will be coming with the desperado price cuts!! "360... now just $29.99!!" LoLz!" In FOUR years the 360 dropped from $400 to $300 and in THREE years the ps3 dropped from $600 to $300 and you are calling MS desperate? I wouldn't say either are desperate at all to be honest, I would say they are priced right where they should be and if anything, the 360 SHOULD be cheaper at this point but it isn't which seems to indicate the exact opposite of being 'desperate'.
Use your head ( for once ). How the hell can the ps3 outsell the 360 by only 32,000, worldwide!!? It does that in japan alone!! I do think here in na it's gonna be pretty close, cause of all the banned 360's out there...
you forget about the 100 best buy credit on top of the price cut MS did?
@cold 2000 360 is still cheaper, but yes there have been steeper- though no more frequent cuts for ps3, than 360. In the US, there have been less cuts than in Uk for 360. The ps3 cuts were less due to desperation than a response to Massive slating in the press and cries on forums for its high pricing. Whereas 360 cuts were never cried for and a direct response to Sony caning their ass for most of 2008. Entry system for 360= $199 (debut $299) Elite= 299 (debut at $479) super elite= $399 Entry for ps3= $299 (debut $499) premium ps3= $399 (debut $599)
Actually the most expensive ps3 is 349 actually. The 360 is 399 but that comes with extras.
The 360 has dropped from 400 to 200 The PS3 from 600 to 3000 Both have dropped 50% from their original launch price.
You're right. But, it's worth noting that the 360's price drops were spread over 4 years while PS3's were spread over just 3.
I dont believe these numbers at all. PS3 outsells 360 by over 30k a week only in Japan. According to these numbers that would mean 360 is selling just as good as PS3 in US + Europe. And since 360 isnt even outselling PS3 in the US then they cant possibly be doing it in europe. Another example of VGChartz pulling numbers out their ass i persume.
Maybe you need a step back and have a nice, cold beer... This is VG Chartz anyway but this is pretty interesting to say the least.
@soxfan You're right. And it's also worth noting that the 360 has a WHOLE YEAR worth of sales all to itself. Therefore, in all fairness, the 360 isn't really leading as it had a fake start. Fine?
It's because you guys are not taking into account those nameless countries known as "others"; Where they buy 10x more 360's than PS3's! /sarc LOL @ VGChartz!
360 sales have been massively boosted by the mass bannings.
Let's be generous and say The PS3 outsells 360 by 50,000 a week at the current price point. 50,000 x 4 = 200,000 a month. 200,000 x 12 = 2,400,000 a year. 2,400,000 a year = 3 years to catch 360. Being generous and not considering further price cuts by both. 2013 the year the PS3 climbs out of the basement confirmed!
Woah, aren't you saying that xbox360 belongs in the basement after all? That's sad but deserving I guess.
It's strange how ps3fanboys can't be satisfied with a great console, great games and a great blurayplayer. It has to be BETTER than the opposition, and everything the opposition does is crap. I guess they are still feeling depressed after all that ranting in 2005: "The ps3 will kill 360 in 06." Well, guess what, both consoles are great with great games and both consoles are very healthy and this is a good thing for the games industry. So get your head out of your assses and face reality, I think you will enjoy it more than the dark void you're lurking in now.
a new VGChartz? edit: my bad, IT IS VGChartz! edit2: I might just approve this. may be it will spark something fun to watch!
I rofl'ed. TGSI
it's already started up there! ^^^ where's my pop corn?! (^_^)v
Lol somehow I think ps3 has sold more than that VGCHARTZ FTL
Exactly. A little simple math shows they think that except for Japan the PS3 and 360 are in a dead heat and that just isn't the case.
# PlayStation 3 - 326,920 # Xbox 360 - 294,378 lol .... in this weak ps3 sold more in every place us/eu/jp and alone in japan was more than 25k sold more ps3 than xboxes... let alone europe and us... vg chartz are crap.... seriously i mean it ! if i'll have some time i count from media create , npd and eu ... i think it's more like 100k ps3 more than x360 this weak...
The 360 fans have nothing left but their ever dwindling sales lead between the TWO CURRENT generation consoles on the market. On top of that Sony counts sold to actual living breathing CUSTOMERS (has done so since just b4 the launch of the PS3 in 2006 May I think) while MS counts SHIPPED as sold. So a conservative estimate is I dunno 1.5 Million consoles that are NOT in customers hands. The writing is on the wall, the fat lady is about to sing, you can book it, lead pipe lock it....the PS3 will outsell the 360 WW for the duration of this generation. Why do I say this? So much more for the SAME price. 20+ FP developers cranking out games on a beast of a machine The PS brand is still a big deal 2010 will have the mother load of BIG BIG BIG PS franchises showing up. So, if by fudging sales numbers in favor of 1 console while at the same time fudging sales numbers NOT in favor of another console makes them feel better then I say more power to them. Just think of it like Fixed Views showing year old videos as JUST RELEASED footage of teabagger events or Sarah (Bible Spice) Palin book signing events to make them appear much bigger than they really are. I will be too busy scrounging up enough money to buy GT5, GOW3, WKS, MNR, the motion controller (mostly for the kids), HR, MAG, Agent, The LG and so many more that I cannot think of or have not been officially announced yet.
"A little simple math shows they think that except for Japan the PS3 and 360 are in a dead heat and that just isn't the case." morganfell "lol .... in this weak ps3 sold more in every place us/eu/jp and alone in japan was more than 25k sold more ps3 than xboxes... let alone europe and us..." Perkel "So, if by fudging sales numbers in favor of 1 console while at the same time fudging sales numbers NOT in favor of another console makes them feel better then I say more power to them." doG beLIEfs lol, So you're pointing the finger at vgchart while not posting 1 ounce of proof that contradicts vg's #'s, vgchartz #'s vs NPD have been pretty close this last yr and plenty of times they were off a bit in favor of ps3 You guys are going off of last week numbers which reported the week prior numbers, every week vg reports this week on last weeks numbers, these current numbers are potentially in the ballpark since MW2 could have had a significant impact on 360 sales last week in the US and UK where it sold very well and could have easily offset ps3's Japan sales. I even saw a someone referencing Amazon #'s which are consistently better for the ps3 in the US even when the 360 was outselling ps3 all year in US NPD #'s. In other news "Theres no way Toyota sold 5000 more cars than Honda last month because I said so."
Some short sighted people on this board believe you can publish anything and it's undeniably true until someone proves otherwise. So no matter what anyone says on the Internet, it is gospel until proven otherwise... "I didn't inhale." "I did not have sex with that woman." "I did not bet on Pro Baseball. Okay, I didn't bet on my own team." "I never said the war was over." Right. This isn't a court of law, it is a court of common sense. There are plenty of individual hardware sales reports available that make this vgchartz affair look like the sham that it is. Can't find them? Well you have no business gaming if your search engine manipulation is so sophomoric that simple matters elude you. And considering vgcharts sordid history they are the last entity that should be given credit. They only rank so because 360 fanboys are so mind numbingly desperate they will buy into any reporting that fails to reveal the truth that the 360 is in the beginning of it's death throes. Tough. The 360 is a last generation console that is receiving it's comeuppance for microsoft's belief that "First to Market" is all that mattered in the sales war. It is dying a much overdue death because Redmond espouses the idea that a little exclusive DLC rates as quality rather than funding a sufficient number of studios to serve the customer base. Welcome to the 21st century micro$oft.
@ 4Sh0w Try to find some media create,npd sales sum it up, will you ? I don't want to look for something that is clear as sky. vgchartz is runned by some x360 fanboy who was kicked from neogaf for making crap like vgchartz do. They are legitimate as I and You. I say 400k , you say 200k, vg chartz say 500k, someone also will say some other number but one thing is in common. We are making assumtion based on our knowlage of gaming market. It isn't legitemate at all. Legitemate data is data provided by media create, npd. They are doing some reserch before they post sales. Yeah they are not covering all market but they are also making assumptions based on facts not feel. Just look what VGCrap has on their site. In recent finantial raport Sony stated 27mln+ ps3 SOLD TO CONSUMERS. This is a fact because this is official info for their shareholders. Now look what number figures in ps3 wordwide sales from lunch ? hmm ? ok .. maybe some more... ODST Sold 2 milions day one ... after few days , worwide sels were like 1,87 mln not 2 mln day one.. If you believe vgchartz it's your choice but don't try to make everyone believe. They are saying on site that they are legitemate but they aren't at all.
@Perkel: Sony never reported "Sold to customer", Sony only reports "Sold" to the shareholders, and "sold" for a manufacturer equals "sold to retail" or "shipped" All 3 Console makers report the SAME number, Microsoft reports "shipped" as in shipped to retail, 'Nintendo reports shipped as in shipped to retail and Sony also reports shipped as in sold to retail. Sony formerly reported "shipped" as in shipped from the factory to the warehouse but changed that reporting to the more cashflow oriented Sony->Retail one. And to avoid any mixup with the old numbers they named it "sold" to differentiate from the old "shipped" Neither Sony nor Nintendo, nor Microsoft, nor the CIA nor the Illuminati know how many Systems have sold to CUSTOMERS. All consumer sales data is estimates. And for a financial report you do NOT estimate, you count. And the only thing you can count is how many systems you sold to the retail chains. For shareholders that is the important number, cause manufacturers make the money upon selling their wares to the retail chain, NOT when the shop sells it to the customer.
Not this again! So I guess Sony came out and made an announcement that they are going to report sales differently by reporting sales the exact same way they did before. What would be the point of such an announcement? There would absolutely be no point. That's one among many reasons you are wrong. Plenty of companies track their products through to consumers and I will not type it out again as I've made you guys eat it 5 times already. All you need to know is you're wrong, so please stop saying this every time it comes up!
Sony does not have a crystal ball that can see how many PS3s are sold to consumers. When Sony "sells" a PS3 to a retailer they are paid. The retailer does not then report to Sony how many they have sold to the consumer. Sony can estimate just like NPD and VGChartz and that is DA TRUTH!
No crystal ball needed, just a brain and some logic. Any warranted and serial numbered product can be tracked through to sold to customer. Major retailers record, in some fashion or other, serial numbers of products sold. It's what prevents you from returning your friends out of warranty console using the receipt for the console you just purchased. DaTruth is absolutely correct in his assessment.
Lumbo and Guitarded are correct. All companies report sold to retail. GarandShooter and DaTruth don't have a clue what they are talking about.
lol those who said VGChartz is right has no idea what they talking about. Time to time again, we see Vgchartz has to adjust their data to NPD, and you guys still say it right? what a clueless bunch
@ Lumbo In many things i agree with you, but not this time. There isn't any reason that Sony would change from shipped (from pevious raports) to sold (in new raports) if they don't have to. Also they done official press conference about it. Also why npd even vgchartz raport in many games almost same sales for both consoles ? Where is this 6mln + console users to buy more games that ps3 players ? Hmm ? Also shipped units are numbers with rrod consoles. That's why ps3 sales for games are closing to x360 sales sometimes selling even more. 6 milion + consoles more sold it's fat big lie. I think it's rather 1 mln - 1,5 mln. Also Sony doesn't make perfect numbers for their sells. In last finance raport they stated Approx. 27mln + . Not like every other NPD, VGCHARTZ, MEDIA CREATE. They didn't say "27.234.876 consoles sold.. " I lol every time i see npd or media create or VGchartz (that's even more funny) that they state perfect number like 35,861 or 254,865. As someone here said you can't count every console sold to consumer and Sony don't count every console. Only vg chartz (lol) npd , media count every console wich is a lie itself.
@perkel 'In recent finantial raport Sony stated 27mln+ ps3 SOLD TO CONSUMERS. This is a fact because this is official info for their shareholders' LOL! What a load of crap. Supposedly selling to consumers has nothing to do with info to sharholders. In fact it proves the opposite of what your saying. Shareholders are concerned with how much money Sony are paid. Who pays sony? The retailers! Its not hard but I know many of you seem to be brainwashed on this site. As for sony not giving exact numbers well well done for spotting. Its a shame you didn't spot that MS and Nintendo give the same rough numbers (eg. 27.6 million or Sony, 52.5 million for Nintendo). Does this mean all 3 now report sold to consumers? Shock horror! @datruth Maybe you made us eat it in your own head :) Please face it that it is YOU who is wrong. There was a point in announcing they had changed the way they reported when Sony changed from reporting to warehouses to retailers because shareholders would now understand what Sony's sales numbers meant. No company in the world reports sold to consumers. Why would they want to? Sony is a company like any others and they want the show the biggest amount of sales possible. Can you please also answer me why companies such as NPD exist if Sony has better info? And why do Sony release statements every month in relation to NPD numbers? Surely they'd have better numbers.... But I guess there is none so deaf than those that won't listen. @garand Sorry I forgot consoles were not electronics now and had to be tracked for their inservice dates!
@CWMR Talk about no clue, I guess reading comprehension is not your strong point as well. I nowhere stated about what numbers companies were reporting, just the ability to track through to retail. What is incorrect in my assessment? Can you fake out BestBuy by returning your out of warranty console with a receipt from a recent purchase? I repeat, any serial numbered, warranted product CAN be tracked through to retail. Understand now? And by the way, I happen to work in an industry that tracks through to retail, to consumer numbers, the automotive industry. How else do you think they know the 'in service' date of your vehicle, and thus the warranty expiration? Or maybe you think everyone that buys a new car is carrying their 'cash register receipt' around in their wallet just in case warranty repairs are needed?
If you think VzGzChartz is lying, well guesstimates is the CORE of the site itself SO, saying VzGzChartz is laying and FAIL and bla-bla not change anything Real NPD numberz > VzGzChartz estimatez If you defend VzGzChartz (¿?!) and think is a RELIABLE source, WTH! you are a VzGzChartz Fanboy, MUAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!! Really, the site is based only on estimated numberz, just take it as a REFERENCE
@sikbeta Exactly I agree. Even Vgchartz themselves say their numbers are estimates and are ballpark figures. It is baisically a free resource that allows people to see the rough sales of everything in videogames. No harm in that. They are not 100% accurate but they are not a million miles away.
@ mint What does the type of product have to do with the fact that warranties have an inception date (usually the date of purchase, and with autos if the vehicle was a demonstrator, it would be the date the vehicle was put 'in service' as a demo, hence the semantic difference) and last for a defined amount of time? Isn't that the very nature of a time based warranty? Try again! And for various other doubters: How many of you who have had RRoD had to provide an original sales receipt to MS? No one I know had to, I didn't, and through my unit's serial number they knew when my warranty 'in service' date began. Amazing! Do 360's have an internal clock that records this info? No. They either base it upon XBL activation, which could cause them to honor longer warranties on a small percentage of consoles that were used prior to online activation, or through serial number information gathered from retailers. Regardless the ability to track is there, whether you choose to close your eyes to it or not.
"Can you please also answer me why companies such as NPD exist if Sony has better info? And why do Sony release statements every month in relation to NPD numbers? Surely they'd have better numbers.... " Thats exactly right, if Sony were tracking "sold to consumer" like NPD does with some accuracy(still not 100%) then they would have NO REASON TO ACCEPT AND REFERENCE NPD SALES. They would simply put out a statement that says something to the effect that "Our internal tracking data confirms we have sold ___ consoles this month." Of course then they would have to release details about how they track sales data through so many retailers, which could then of course be verified by fact checking the info through most of the major retailers. The very fact that they reference NPD in official statements is because they know NPD sales data is more accurate than their own because unlike all companies, including sony they are not tracking "sold to retailers" or in some cases some companies even count "shipped"/ "in transit"/"stock in a warehouse" as sales(to impress shareholders) but NPD does the best at tracking "sold to consumers" numbers. Perkel, you're not making much sense, even your rant about vg chartz ODST sales numbers are ridiculous, since vg chartz reported ODST sales were approximately 2 mil WORLDWIDE http://news.vgchartz.com/ne... while NPD as always ONLY REPORTS U.S. sales. lol sony references what they sold to retailers in their financial reports(thats all shareholders care about since all of it is paid for by the retailers already) vgchartz is simply estimating based on what their sources say have actually "sold to consumers"= which is why you see a difference in the numbers. That said vgchartz themselves call their sales data ESTIMATES, I think they generally do a pretty good job but I still don't take their data as anymore than just that, an estimate, sony reports sold to retail numbers just like every other company.
I just cannot take the wii seriously, i do not understand why this device is selling so well, it is completely beyond my comprehension as someone that loves games why anyone would choose this over the gamecube which IMO is a fairly decent gaming console, and certainly not over current gen systems like ps3/360.
The Wii isn't for those who love videogames. If you looked at their line-up, they are doing the minimum amount of work to push software sales to people who actually play games as their major hobby. Do you know any parents who use Facebook and play web games? I believe it's that crowd that continues to buy these things. Those who are into exercise tapes and things like that are also the ones being duped into buying the console. I'm sure they think it's a "new thing", and it's the "thing to do because they heard about them from someone somewhere".
The Wii really is not in the videogame market. It is in the FAD market, the she has 1 so I need 1 market, the I must buy it because its the in thing to buy...etc. The FAD is winding down in the land of the rising sun as well as the EU, its just the lemmings in the USA who keep eating up the repackaged GameCube. Give the USA about 6 more months and I think even here the FAD will fade. This generation of consoles is a 2 horse affair, the Wii is not and should not be counted as a current generation console anymore than the PS2 is. Add a wagglemote to the PS2 and you have a Wii.
You wonder why 90% of Nintendo's E3 presentation is on wii party type games? Cause that's their new core base. The traditional gamer is a side note and thus they cater to the main core base first then the traditional base later. Just watch the past E3s and the ones coming up. Nintendo don't give a rats butt about the traditional gamer as much. There new console is soaring cause of their new base and that's who they're going to take care of first. They know they can throw out another Mario, Zelda, Metriod, Kart game and that will keep their traditional gamer base quite and loyal to fluff up the sales more. Think about it. Since the NES Nintendo has maninly relied on the traditional gamer and it's sales has been dropping each gen from 65mill-47mill-35mill-22mill. This is the first time Nintendo's console has had a boost past it's predecessors and Nintendo are taking care of the people responsible for their current surge of success - The non-traditional gamer. Makes logical business sense.
Not entirely, Chubear, as MS and Sony are making moves on that userbase too now-as well as continuing to service the traditional gamer(who there are JUST as many of if not more btut we've been split up between 360, PS3 and PC with some of us keeping wii's as well for the games there that we do like even if they are fewer in number than previously. This being the case Ninty will need to woo both new nd old gamer alike in future with everyone competeing for "core" and "casual" alike. The other thing is if they don't provide more core games themselves AND aid third parties to do so as well what happens whent the new user base changes taste and wants a little more from their gaming? They'll se controls they like coming to platforms that already have a plethora of, to them, new and different gaming experiences. Nintendo cannot, imo, keep depending on more and more new gamers. With Sony and MS joing that chase there'll be fewer to go round and the casualmbase will be split like the core gamer is now-then they'll need to pander to us more AND to the chance that some of the new demographic will either give up or move on to PS360 when they decide they want more intense gaming experiences. They may end up just bringing more gamers to Sony or MS long term, imo, if they don't face these issues head on.
FAD market? FAT ASS Daddies? Well, at least now I know the people that buy these crap lol
PS3 and Wii sold way more, and 360 way less. 360 is like #60 on Amazon US and PS3 and Wii are top 5! It's Nov. 21st and 360 is THAT low. :) @Disagrees: 360 is #66, my bad...lol Vgchartz is off at least 50K for both PS3 and Wii. 360 is buttered up because it's doing terrible now.
I'm willing to bet that Amazon is not where most people buy their game consoles. Just saying is all.
Microsoft's numbers are shipped to retail stores, not sold to customers like Sony and Nintendo. VGchartz = fail...
Nonsense! I don't know how this erroneous belief persists. ALL console makers report sold to retail. Nothing more. Sold to retail is what "sold" means to these companies. They have no way to know precisely how many units have been sold to consumers. Not even the mighty NPD have exact numbers of units sold to customers, all they have are estimations. Companies cannot rely on estimations, they need to know precisely how much they have sold. And what matters to a company is how much of their product has been sold to retail, since that is where they make their money.
i dont get this:/ a few days VG reported that ps3 outsold 360 by 30 thousand or something jst in america lol and at least anther 30 thousand in japan acording to famitsu. and im sure i saw vg report that ps3 had outsold 360 by at least 50 thousand:/ sooo how the hell can they round it all up to this # PlayStation 3 - 326,920 # Xbox 360 - 294,378 yhhh soz dats wat the 50 thousand was for haha eruope!!!
don't forget eu, they too outsold x360 .. !!! vgchartz is a crap like we all know...
Oh thank you. I hope gamers really start understanding what you guys are saying.
Bu-bu-bu-bu-bu-bu-bu-bu-bu-bu- bu-bu-bu-but teeeh Xbox teh 4th placeeeeee!!!!11
actual numbers could be ps3 -500k x360 -200k (120-150k in US seriously last week in italy, spain , france, germany and norway ps3 outsold x360 4:1 on rare occasions u see an x360 sku in any chart of any eu region eg www.game.es PS3 SKUS at no 23 and 39 only x360 SKU at no 50 where is x360 seriously besides the obvious us chart?
why oh why do you sony guys care so much, you guys should be out enjoying your system, i just got back from buying the GOW collection waiting for my GOW3 demo to finish downloading an here you guys are complaining about SALES.give it a rest PLEASE!!! this site use to be fun to come to now its, these numbers ain't right, this game ain't GOTY, come on!!
HAHA! You come off as sounding butt hurt XD maybe it's just me :)
It's just you.
oh GET OFF IT you damn hypocrite , you were one of the worst offenders around here when the 360 consistently outsold the PS3 and now you want to cry foul? It's easy to see why 360 fanboys are so hated around here.
Im not sure those numbers are correct, they may be but im really thinking the gap between ps3 and 360 should be significantly larger. In OCtober the npd numbers for ps3 and 360 were 320.6K and 249.7K respectively, now assuming that sales stay at least close to those numbers (which is an assumption i should point out and could be wrong) and dividing by 4.3 weeks in a month (the average roughly) the weekly ps3 sales should be roughly 74k for the ps3 and 57k for the 360. THis makes for a gap of 17k (roughly and estimated) We also already know roughly where the ps3 and 360 are in japan courtesy of famitsu which put the ps3 at roughly 33k and the 360 at like 3k or so. Thats a gap of roughly 30k. Now i dont know of any major sources for europe but im sure some one can dig them up but logic and sales trends clearly shows that ps3 sells more units per month in Europe than the 360 as even if you say they have the same installed base in euro (very possible) the ps3 was out a year later and that leads towards higher monthly sales. So lets do some simple math. THe estimated sales in this article has the ps3 at ~327k and the 360 at ~294k, thats a difference of 33k. Ok fair enough but the PS3 likely sold somewhere around 17k more the US (again this could be wrong i admit), 33k more in japan, and likely more in europe. Yet this "source" puts the sales difference as only the differnce in japan essentially? Needless to say im not thinking their numbers are correct but again this is based on numbers which could totally be wrong i admit, just the likely hood of them being the posted numbers seems off to me. Also VGchartz still has the ps3 under 27 million which sony themselves said they passed a few months ago