Craigslist flooded with modded Xbox 360 consoles after a Microsoft ban

After Microsoft did a mass ban of modded Xbox 360 consoles from the Xbox Live service, owners have flooded Craigslist in droves to get rid of their illegally modified consoles. Anyone in the market for a used 360 right now should adopt a "buyer beware" attitude.

[iron_sheik]

most of these users will just switch to PS3 since PSN is free and ps3 is 299$ . when you have a bad experience with a company then you dont want to repurchase their products anymore

[jjohan35]

I'd never buy 360 used. 3 year warranty does NOT transfer on used purchases. Given how bad the RROD was, you'd never know the true age of the console you're getting if it's used.

[cmacdonald]

No it's not bad for MS, the arcade unit on amazon is selling like crazy.

[REALgamer]

Getting banned for pirating games is a 'bad experience' they brought on themselves.

It's like stealing a Honda and then declaring you're never getting a Honda again because the hot-wiring stopped working.

[NMC2007]

I love delusional Sony fans, they are just too funny.

[presto717]

Does that mean those guys are totally getting off the xbox wagon?

[Ace Killa 08]

I love it how fanboyism clouds the mind of immature brains, it never fails!

[Godmars290]

Considering that most of those games will likely be pirated is it really going to matter?

They're either going to uses those copies to pad the deal to some sucker or keep them so they play again once a new hack is figured out.

[iron_sheik]

where exactly are those aracades selling? on amazon just because u can get a 100$ gift card with an arcade purchase
However ps3 is still outselling x360 in america and that would stand atleast for some more months

x360 isnt attractive anymore when ps3 is 300$ . also like i said most of those million users will switch to ps3

[Isaac]

Xbox fanboys should re-think the install base of 360 every time they talk about "3rd place". Every time you think about 360's install base, remember to subtract 1 million banned consoles. That doesn't include the consoles that are dead and were never repaired.

[anh_duong]

there are SEVEN things a banned xbox owner can do:

1. keep his banned xbox and play offline xbox games for free but miss out on dlc and multiplayer and the live experience. outcome MS: Negative (no xbox live sub) Sony: Neutral.
2. sell his banned xbox and buy a new unhacked xbox and pay for games but get to enjoy live. outcome MS: Positive Sony: Neutral.
3. sell his banned xbox and buy a new unhacked xbox, then wait for a new undectable hack to come along then hack it. outcome MS: Positive Sony: Neutral.
4. keep his banned xbox and buy another xbox and play single player centric games for free and pay for multi-player games on the unmodded xbox. outcome MS: Positive Sony: Neutral.
5. sell his banned xbox and buy a ps3. outcome MS: Negative Sony: Postive.
6. keep his banned xbox and buy a ps3 and get to play single player xbox games for free and buy ps3 games for multi-player. this way you get to enjoy both xbox and ps3 exclusives whilst at the same time cut your gaming bill by half. outcome MS: Negative (no xbox live sub) Sony: Postive.
7. if you already own a ps3 then you could buy new multiplayer games on the ps3 and keep the banned xbox for single player games. outcome MS: Negative (no xbox live sub) Sony: Postive.

are there any other possibilities i have missed out??

personally i think the most likely options are 2, 3,4, 6 and 7. from what i can see sony benefits form option 6 and 7 whilst ms benefits from option 2, 3 and 4.

for me, if i got banned for modding my console i would most likely take option 6:

6. keep my banned xbox and buy a ps3 and get to play single player xbox games for free and buy ps3 games for multi-player. this way i get to enjoy both xbox and ps3 exclusives whilst at the same time cut my gaming bill by half.

bearing in mind most pirates are cheapskates and are are still loathed to pay for games so if they can get away with it then they will. why buy a ps3 you may ask?? well you already own a modded xbox so why not buy a ps3 and be a dual console owner instead of paying for two xbox consoles.

finally, we can see that whilst the xbox live banning will likely benefit ms there is also a significant likelihood it will also benefit sony.

if you had a banned xbox what would you do??

[Bnet343]

Banning pirates is bad for Microsoft? How? They need to eliminates these idiots. Let them "switch" to PS3.

[anh_duong]

although i don't condone piracy i think there is a lot of hypocrisy in people who call pirates idiot..

i am pretty sure 95% of the people who call pirates idiot are pirates themselves.

how many people here not downloaded a mp3, movie, tv show, ds/psp game or application without paying??

well if you have then you are a pirate too. just because you don't pirate xbox games doesn't mean you are whiter than white. piracy exists in many forms. clean up your own first house before you complain about others.

[The Meerkat]

Can you pirate games on a PS3?

I would imagine most pirates would switch to PC.
£500 PC + pirate games for free.
£250 PS3 with £40 a game.
After only 7 games the pirate would be better off with a PC.

[anh_duong]

some people will still want to play online gaming on a console... a pc is useful but some people prefer consoles... i am not forcing anyone down a particular route - i am stating the options available to people who have their console banned. and as i mentioned earlier if you already own a xbox (which is banned) there is no harm in buying a ps3 if you want to own games for both consoles.

however, yes that is the one option i forgot.

8. keep the banned xbox and buy a $500 usd pc and play free multiplayer games on it. outcome: microsoft negative (no xbox live sub) sony: neutral. obviously assumption here is if you are a cheapskate who priate games then chances are that you would pirate the operating system else ms would benefit from a one off check for windows 7 oem.

btw you can get a 120gb slim for 199 pounds from many sainsbury stores now.

[sikbeta]

He is still denying Piracy on xbox

Delusional?

Hahahahahahahahaha!!!!! Hahahahahahahaha!!!!!

[callahan09]

I dunno. There was an article in AM New York yesterday (in fact, it was the cover story!) about the 360 banning, and in the article, they did an interview with one of the local owners who was banned. He just said he's going to go out and buy another 360 as soon as he can. This whole situation will probably be a sales BOOST for Microsoft because all of these people are just going to go out and buy another one. It's just altogether sad, everything about this story and what's going on in this industry.

[Diamondwolf]

That's what I think also, the only thing that will happen is another 360 purchase. People don't want to be forgotten by their friends they made online.

@PS3 switch comments - Seriously? I mean.....Seriously? Why does it matter? You guys profiting from the conversion? If you want to market that info out, this is the wrong place because the people who frequent on this site, ALREADY KNOW THAT!

Sad thing is, people will buy these systems and a new breed of pirating, just not going online. I guess the silver lining is that since these were already being pirated, the numbers will stay the same

[cereal_killa]

Sorry but your wrong I bought my 360 used and got RROD and they fixed it no problem.

[Elven6]

Why is it bad for Microsoft if these guys never or rarely bought games to support them and developers in the first place? If anything it's good because it will cut down on piracy a bit.

[frostypants]

@1.8: The 360 Arcade deal @ Wal-mart and Amazon is/was pretty solid. You effectively get a 360 for $99. They try to rip you off on the hard drive, but a refurbished 20gb drive with headset and 3 months of Live can be found for $40. Bam...360 w/ hard drive for $140.

Yeah, still kind of a ripoff on the disk space (a new 20GB drive should be under $20, if they were even manufactured anymore), but if I was buying a 360 that's the route I'd take.

However, a similar $100 off deal for the PS3 would be epically more attractive.

[Poopface the 2nd]

I dont think many of them will switch over to ps3 because they cant mod it and DL games for free.

[beardpapa]

Gee, since piraters are system banned, they can't even download demos, XBLA games, or use the window media center streaming. Heck Netflix is down for the count for that reason too.

I expect to see MS 360s quadruple in sales for December from this mass banning. Like Anh Duong said, piraters have no choice but to buy a new console to enjoy the new games in the long term unless they really just want to play their old games.

[Saaking]

NEVER buy a used 360.

[f789790]

They could be in huge trouble if MS intends to buy a few for court cases.

[lsujester]

I personally plan on keeping mine, whether it gets banned or not. Assuming it does soon, I probably won't care. I don't pay for Live anyway, so I could care less. I have my PS3 for that. Don't care about Achievements, either, so the corruption won't bother me. I'll probably just do what I've been doing all along, buy (yes, I do buy games even with a modded box) the ones for multiplayer for my PS3, and still DL the pirated games for the titles I never would have bought anyway. I basically just replaced my Gamefly account with pirated games, so no difference for me with the bans.

And kudos to the guy above who said most people are pirates. If you've copied a friends CD and give it back to him, downloaded an MP3, gave a digital copy of a movie to someone else, DL'd a TV show from a torrent, any copying of a licensed title..... then you're a pirate. You're no better than me, or anyone else who pirates games.

[Cajun Chicken]

It's kind of funny. Because I can really see where the funding for this giant banning scheme came from because MS really doesn't spend the money gained from XBL on anything really significant...most of those people must have been paying for XBL instead of buying games which they actually should of been paying for.

Irony!

[Lord Shuhei Yoshida]

Selling trash on Craigslist is an interesting choice.The 360 will net you the same value as an old pair of shoes or a used kleenex

[Lykon]

That is funny sh1t. yes beware of buying a console that breaks 3 times a year and scratches your disks and a company so arrogant they fix reviews and have been in the courts more times than jack thompson for ILLEGAL marketing practises and other shady stuff....awww poor M$ losing out to pirates LOL they deserve far worse than a few modded 360's.

[silverchode]

i wonder if ms will count these at sold?

[Shadow Man]

of course not IS Craigslist NOT WAL*MART

[Shaka2K6]

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[enviable27]

Its funny the other day I was thinking this was going to happen, and low and behold it did. :P

[morkendo]

this is happening. either 360 user's will buy another 360 or jump on ps3 side. cant see them buying another 360 after all that and get banned again.

[lsujester]

Oh they will, they will. After the holidays, it will likely be a while before MS worries about bans again. If that is the case, a new Arcade system will only cost you 200 bucks. That's less than the price of four new games you'd have to buy.

[morkendo]

i wonder if ms will count these at sold?

im sure they'll figure away to add it as sales

[Shadow Man]

Don't be an idiot

Of course not is craigslist NOT wal-mart

[wxer]

reported as SPAM

[psycho360]

For anyone who wants to shift from ps2 and not bothered with playing online can easily enter HD gaming at slightly price than ps2's.

[frostypants]

If you don't play online, the 360 has little to offer over the PS2 beyond better graphics. Frankly the PS2 is STILL King Sh** for single player gaming.

The bottom line is most of these dirtballs are not fessing up to the fact that their consoles are banned.

[Lord Shuhei Yoshida]

I wonder if M$ will count these as sold?

[wxer]

oh yes they well

and now shadowbot well say
"" bu bu buh itz not teh wall mart itz teh craigslist ""

lol

[Bodyboarder_VGamer]

XD

[skeletonss]

its not walmart its kragzlist

[KR1ST0F3R]

How many modded consoles have been banned and then replaced, or are going to be?

How many modded consoles have rrod-ed and could not be sent back to microsoft so were replaced?

Bet it accounts for quite e few of Microsoft's 'sales'

In effect the Modding of consoles is helping Microsoft stay in the lead

[itchy18]

hmmm

[skeletonss]

IS CRAIGSLIST!!!!!!!!!

[wxer]

im sure Microsoft will count these as sold

[pcn88]

..

[alphakennybody]

now I'm convinced, micro's ditching its current models for the 360+ thingy. They could have done banning long ago, but now that its been almost half a decade since the 360's here 1) the new 360 sku with the natal would be the new standard sku fow ms 2) they announce new system next year. I mean why now they decided to do this mass banning near the season where gaming matters the most?

[lsujester]

Because the big games are now out (ODST, MW2), and many people would buy a new system just to get to play those.

[badz149]

pirates attacking the craiglist!

[Ilikegames76]

the same questions. The bots are out in force defending MS.

[XDF]

Modern warfare selling over 5 millions on X360..sure craiglist count..everyone with 3 consoles are buying 3 copies of MW2 for X360. PS3 fanboys are like leeches. LMFAO

[droid and bot]

ummm ... what ??

[Isaac]

i.e. retarded

[xb0x_trashie]

i wonder if ms will count these as sold?

sadly..

[BYE]

You speak english?

[Jamaicangmr]

Why would this tranfer to PS3 sales? Clearly these S.O.B's don't want to purchase games thats why they modded their Xbox360's. Now with the PS3 being Hackfree they would be screwed even before purchase.

Serves them right though. It's just sad when those that are most vocal about their love of the Xbox360 and all things Microsoft are the sameones with modded 360's. Fvcking hypocrites they are.

[mythamp]

"Is just sad when those that are most vocal about their love of the Xbox360 and all things Microsoft are the sameones with modded 360's. Fvcking hypocrites they are."

FACT.

[JonnyBigBoss]

Haha that's pretty funny. Karma!

[iron_sheik]

those x360s are just dead
so 200$ atleast and 50$ for LIVE and 50$ for chipping down the drain lol

[BYE]

Next up: Mass banning from Craigslist.

[Isaac]

Will they count as sold?

[Obama]

I wonder if M$ will count this as sold?

[tudors]

e.g. are they banning just the console or the live account also? what records are they keeping, are they banning via the IP address or some other method? The reason I ask is because I want to know if the modded Xbox's can be set back to default, e.g. flash the firmware on the drive or whatever method they use to flash in the 1st place and then hopefully call MS stating that the console has been set back to default and then have it taken off the ban list.

[Elven6]

They don't reveal it for obvious reasons but I assume the 360 parts must be involved.

[lsujester]

Yeah, they'll never let you do that. If they have your name, that box will be banned, no questions asked and no way to get out of it. As far as what they do.. they're likely sending a code down to the box to corrupt the component firmware/drivers, causing the IP address, the program handling game saves, etc, to become corrupted. The 360 isn't really anything different than a PC, so I guess a good parallel would be MS sending your Xbox a virus that really f*cks your sh1t up. It'll still work, but be a little gimped.

[patterson]

Buying a NEW 360 is risky enough, I can't imagine why anyone in their right mind would chance a used one. You have to be a gambling man or incredibly stupid.

[NecrumSlavery]

So guys do you think Microsoft will count these as sold?

[W831SOLIDSNAKE]

I wonder if M$ will count these as sold?

[Mizz_mai]

...i wonder if MS will count them as sold....yup

[anh_duong]

it's not funny any more. once twice but after fourty six times...

[cr33ping_death]

yeah but the question begs to be asked....will MS count these as sold???????

[Cliff Forster]

Well, the console was destined to fail eventually, may as well get it out of the way.

[jerethdagryphon]

it can be set back to default but i belive thee banning it via a hardware id elsewhere in the system

if it was mac address then the wireless adaptor could be used to cuirvumvent it ip is usually dynamic so it must be a os id code or sometihng its checking

[nickb]

Looks like i will be able to get a cheap modded 360 now

[oldsnayke]

I think I laughed harder than I should have.

[likedamaster]

It doesn't matter what they say, when someone has invested money on a platform they won't just jump to a different one.

[caffman]

that all the droids ask the same question or are they just multiple accounts?

[SportsFan]

Haven't had heard of any pirating issues with the PS3....which is prob. one of the main reasons people try to say that Xbox 360 is so much better. (You can mod them.) Of course I like the Xbox 360, it's agreat platform! Just saying that MS has been loosing a ton from dishonest custoomers, while Sony's beter constructed systems is free from large ammounts of defects and mods. For the record...as I do, I only recomend buying games or DVD's off CL.

[djfullshred]

lol, and pirates try to claim they dont hurt anyone, because the big companies deserve to get ripped off. Well, they pretty much hurt all owners that want to sell their used gear, because you can't trust this stuff will work online. Resale value = worthless at this point.

[NexGen76]

I'm a die hard PS3 guy but i don't see how this would equal more PS3 sales...These guys don't like buying games...lol

[Horny]

most people will just buy the 360 again. My friend got the RROD and it was not fixable so he bought a new arcade. Just check arcade sales. People already invested a lot of games and accessories for their 360 so they are more likely to buy another one. Personally I would just stick to PS3.

[Ripyealip]

lol to of my friends got banned from XBL. thats what happenes when your an idiot

[supersonicsaga]

i wonder if m$ will count these at sold?

[cjp4eva]

another question I had was if you think M$ will count these as sold?

[bjornbear]

Just guessing....

[supersonicsaga]

lol @ open zone

Note to self: Don't buy an Xbox from Craislist. Too bad the only game I wanted on xbox (besides Halo) was SO4 but that is coming to PS3.

I'll prolly buy the next-gen x-box if it doesn't rrod, is backwards compatibile and has free online.

[supersonicsaga]

It's Rue from Threads of Fate.

It's a Ps1 game that I call the precursor to kingdom hearts.

here is some gameplay vid

[LiquidM3taL]

I have read every comment on here and I rarely if ever decide to comment back but i feel it necessary on this matter. Here is the thing: likely half of the people who have been banned so far never even pirated games. I for one have been banned from live and I am not ashamed to admit it. All I did was pay someone on craigslist to mod my launch 360 so it can accept other hard drives. There are many issues here and I will try to touch base on most of them. The biggest problem and the reason I think people mod in the first place is because prices are ridiculously inflated so dumb**** big wig companies like M$ can make more money for bull sh!t products just because of the NAME BRAND. This directly relates back to why I modded. Im an honest, hardworking guy and I honestly dont see ANY justification for charging the price M$ does for thier small HDDs. Its ridiculous how I can go out right now and buy a new 500 HDD for the same price as a Microsoft 60GB 360 drive. Forget that. M$ knows they have control over the buyer and they know that no matter the price, the name will sell. Well im not going to keep going on about that but I think you catch my drift.

Also this comment is getting long so im only going to touch base on one more thing here:

M$ is smart. the banning is completely and entirely a marketing technique to boost sales for the holiday season and they do this EVERY YEAR. If your faint of heart, you might not want to read on...

M$ flagged every single console that has ever been on live for banning BUT they did NOT ban everyone. For years the modding community has helped M$ to THRIVE and every year at this time is when M$ performs bans. They watch craigslist, gamestop, walmart, Ebay, etc. They are completely aware that modders sell thier banned 360s and its perfect for them, i hate they are this smart but it works like this:

M$ flags everyone for banning, some get banned and some wait for that day but when a 360 gets banned it gives them two opportunities
1. they get everyone posting "Buyer Beware" all over the websites so everyone is forced to buy a NEW 360 in order to ensure they are safe from being banned (Boosts sales)
2. they "scare" the modding community into buying a new 360 and repeating the cycle that fuels thier intelligent marketing (call it a scam if you will)

They purposely ban small percentages every year like this. Its boost sales for them for holiday in more than 1 way, and it keeps us talking like this in forums. They know all of this and too many people nowadays choose to ignore it.

This in NO WAY justifies harrasing phone calls and death threats, but its time for people to wake up here.

[Guitarded]

Honest people don't do dishonest things. If you are not happy with the price of a product, DON'T BUY IT! You deserve your ban as does anyone else who does things to their console that they know they shouldn't. Don't do the crime if you can't do the time!

As for the bans to increase sales theory. You somehow seem to imply that it is wrong for Microsoft to try to recoup some of the losses incurred by pirating. Although I'm not surprised coming from someone with such low moral character as yourself who doesn't consider bypassing security features to use an unauthorized accessory to be an dishonest act.

[DK_Kithuni_71]

Will Microsoft count these as sold? Huh? Bill? Xbots? Anyone?

[orange-skittle]

1) Microsoft has always banned modded xboxes. Since the original one. You had 24 hours before it was detected. By day 2, ZAP you're offline. That's why the newer chips enabled you to turn off the chip when going online. It worked for a short time before MS detected it and ZAPPED that one too.

2) Why would a 360 buy a PS3 because of this? The would just buy another Xbox. The PS3 isn't offering anything the Xbox isn't and if their sole purpose for selling their modded 360 is to go online, why would they go online and use PSN? It's free for a reason.

3) Everyone with a modded 360 always had another just so they can go online. This is not news

[LordMarius]

idk do you think MS will count these as sold?

[WMW]

i wonder if ms will count these at sold?

[lizard81288]

don't people mod their 360's for other reasons? everybody here is acting like everybody that modded their 360, only did it to pirate, but can't you beef up the 360 as well? like getting more Gs out of the internal hard drive and stuff like that?

[Mizz_mai]

i think there gonna count them as sold.....??
(could'nt resist again lol)

[theroadtoruin]

i bet if it comes down to it if all the pirates are forced off xbox from bans and cant pirate no more they will get the superior PS3 console

[tiamat5]

Xbox fanboys are proof that games rot your brains.why does everyone think that now that they are banned that they will automatically go out and buy a unhacked Xbox 360? Don't you realise that many people buy the xbox and Wii because it is easily hacked with cheaper games? But if they do this ban people will not be so eager to buy the 360.this will affect future sales.People will either switch to the Wii or P.C. or even consider the PS3 a viable choice now.They may have solved the piracy problem but will pay in spades later down the road.Trust me, it's a lot more then one million people with hacked systems.

[lizard81288]

you can play roms on the ps3, granted their nintendo, super nintendo and i think sega, but still.