Gaming journalist Ryan Rigney of Cinemablend.com and SlapStic.com explores the downsides of being an achievement whore, along with the benefits of simply not caring about Gamerscore.
I like achievements, but I agree that sometimes they wind up warping the experience of playing a game into something much more mundane...
I have quite the problem with these achivements/trophies. I don't know about everybody else, but i find they kind of ruin my games.For example, when i get a new game.I play the hell out of it until i get the platinum.Usually focusing on the specific trophies i need rather than just enjoying the game for the sake of it. It's this constant need to feel like i'm achieving something permanent rather than just playing a game for fun.And because of that, i rarely replay a game that i've platinum'd.Such was the case with fallout 3, Drakes fortune,godfather 2, and now, sadly, Uncharted 2. But then again, there's also a great satisfaction for earning those ridiculously tough achievements/trophies like earn 10,000 kills or beat crushing difficulty etc. *sigh* i guess i just have that Love/hate relationship with them
I agree completely, good sir. The author of this article seems to have the solution, in that getting achievements (or trophies) can be rewarding, but that gamers need to develop an eye for which achievements will ruin a game for the player after they take the ridiculous amount of time to get them.
I know exactly what you mean. Like I said in the article, I nearly ruined Tales of Vesperia by going for all 1000. I mean, if I didn't have any other games, it might have been okay to do it, but I have other stuff to get around to playing, ya know? There are such a huge number of truly good games this generation that I might never get around to playing. I gotta experience as many of them as I can :)
Warhawk's achievements suck because some are virtually unattainable; I love that game, but hate that I can't get all of the achievements, which makes me put the game down so I can pay games where I can get the achievements. Epic did it right for both consoles for both games (gears and UTIII): it's hard, but attainable, and you can get it with bots. Too Human did it pretty good; not too hard, and achievable with practice. Terminator Salvation did it right, but a little extreme: it's a hard game, but the achievements are all golds. I haven't seen anyone do it too well, and it does ruin gaming experience when done too hard; because you start to hate the game... until you don't care about the achievements anymore. Uncharted is okay, a little hard and it requires multiple play-throughs, but it is doable. there needs to be a balance, and I also hate achievements that don't tell you what you need to do to get it: I understand if it wrecks the plot, but most of them don't, plus even if it did, you can make them visible after the first playthrough.
Yeah I have the same problem, I'd honestly not have alot of the games I own now if it wasn't for achievements/trophies.
Honestly I dont think its a problem. this is how my gaming goes: (this example will include Demons souls as its my new-est game) 1. Excitingly gets home to finally play Demons Souls. Those reviews have got me excited. 2. ~20 hours of gameplay -- Havnt thought of a trophy n its req. yet. Just the few dings here n there as they pretain to the story. 2. ~40 hours -- Game Ended. Great game! :) Kudos to SOFTWARE. 3. ~45 hours -- *goes through the trophy list* 4. ~46 hours -- *turns trophy whore switch on* ... 10. ~200 hours of gameplay -- Attained Platinum! Well that was well worth my money! I had fun and it had great replay value. Trophies usually keep me entertained to replay the game when there is nothing to look forward to other than just fun (aka already know the story line, etc etc)
but if there were no trophies to begin with, i would have just played through them once and then it's off to be traded-in.
that only happen at when the trophy patch uncharted, GTA4, fallout i have already completed those game and i had to start all over again it was a chore but after that been completely hook. its simple fun run always play 4 fun after that just go all out
Achievements and Trophies are nice for Replay value.
As long as they dont include online trophies in my game then I'm straight. I hate "hey anyone want to boost for achievements?" coming up in lobbies then having people actually say "yea sure." Or they can even modify the way ranked games are played like in Gears of War 1 with all the grenade tagging or chainsaw spamming kills for the achievement. If developers want to add online achievements, fine, but do it so that it can be done in public/social/private matches and not ranked.
Tah shi de leh! Ke-rangh ku su do bo yin peh? ...
That's why game should be more like burnout paradise ... Achievementr /trophies Only for half-way challenges ...and true rewards ( unique cars ) ONLY for those who want them ... i play killzone 2 to have fun with friends .. that's why i'll never get the 1% trophy ( or those below ) . If it wasn't for the trophy sonic unleashed whould be eating dust somewhere in my room ... and it is actually ..with 77% of the trophies i realised what i wasn't having fun anymore .... At least make some challenge more like IN the game ..like wipeout HD ... something that is easy if you have skill ... And while trying to have them you'll gain more skill ..( that's what happenned to me ) What 1,000,000,000,000 damage in One attack in disgaea 3 ???( no combo ) WTF ?? I 'll not grind that much to reach this level ...
lmfaooo @Tinzen Bubs++++++++++++++
Forza Motorsport 3 does a pretty good job with achievements. Instead of asking you to do something ridiculous and stupid, it just constantly rewards you as you progress through the "Season Play" mode. It also awards players for exploring all the aspects of the online modes and community features, like car auctions, decal design, purchasing and selling user-created content, etc.
I wouldn't mind that.
Yeah there's a driver "ranking up" system in the game, and every time you hit a rank milestone (usually every 5 ranks once you get to rank 15) you get a nice little achievement. It's just sort of a feel-good incentive to keep on playing.
Sounds like a winner. I'd like to see this; Now I'll have to seriously consider putting some money aside. :D
Kinda like burnout paradise! :) (Great game btw) Driver Lic D - Elite
They don't really interest me, I get what I get from playing the way I want. But I dont actively seek them out or play outside of my norm to achieve them. I guess gamers scores or PSN ranks matter to some, but personally I play games for enjoyment, not points. Each to their own.
At least be able to turn off trophy notificatios. Really do not care for them at all. I game for the enjoyment. The only accomplishment is to finish the game and hope I can say at the end "Wow, nice game". If it's good enough, then replay it months or years later. I know many see it as an exciting aspect but to some like myself it isn't needed at all. Right with you fishy.
I think you can turn notifications off. Settings > Notification Messiages > Do Not Display. Not 100% sure if it works with trophies, can someone confirm?
I agree with you, I brought it up before in a thread a while ago. Both trophies and achievements should be optional. A user should be able in their profile to enable or disable them completely with the default of "enabled". Such a choice would be a win-win for all types of gamers.
In my case, i check the feasibility of achievements / trophies. For example Dirt 2 achievements are really easy, so i spend time to unlock them (i only have 1 achievement left). But for games like Resistance 2 where you have "Kill 10k people online" (excluding bots), i know i will never have the patience to do it, so i don't chase the trophies. But i don't waste time to unlock them, you don't have much gratification from getting them (excepted with SplosionMan, where you could earn two Gamerpics and one Premium theme). (i'm just wondering if i'll ever be able to beat Braid in less than 45 minutes to obtain the last achievement)
The last achievement in Battlefield 1943 is like that one from Resistance 2 that you were talking about. What a waste of time for anyone who got it...
Well, i have all the achievements of BF1943 and i don't remember having suffered getting them. I didn't even try to unlock them, actually :o
Good read. I hate when my friends ask me if I have a certain game just so I can help them get the trophies they want. Screw them. I <3 the delete button during moments like those.
i don't even bother with trophies. then if i think that the game is worth replaying and the trophies are easy then i go for them. if it's hardcore trophies like motorstorm and warhawk, i just ignore them.
I keep hearing about the crappy Warhawk trophies. Apparently, they really blow.
lol Warhawk is a online player experience only. They give you some free trophies here and there. But there are some that only the best of the best can get. Which I was no where near. I was the guy hogging the mine spawn and waiting for some1 to come close so i could plant the mine and GO BOOM with them -.- God I sucked
I hope to break the 10,000 points by the new year Yes, I care :(
Personally I enjoy having extra goals to work for in order to get more value from my games. But it's not so much the number of trophies I have that drives me forward, it's the simple sense of personal accomplishment. I'm one of the people who collected every single dog tag in MGS2. I 100%ed GTA:VC and GTA:SA. I picked up every in-game trophy I could get for Super Smash Brothers Melee. Hence, trophies were a logical progression for me because they give extra goals on top of wanting to "beat" the game. I wouldn't care if trophies\acheivements were not publically viewable, but I like having a checklist of things I can try to do to get more out of my games. That's just me though.
If anything achievements add a whole new perspective to gaming. Last gen I would hardly ever play a game on its hardest difficulty if it granted no award.
do i really need to search the net to find out what they are, are keep playing the game forever on the luck that i might get lucky lbp 4 Question mark trophies soldner x 3 Question mark trophies pixel junk monstera 4 Question mark trophies rag doll kung fu 3 Question mark trophies flower 4 Question mark trophies worms 2 Question mark trophies cuboid 2 Question mark trophies
today I completed the 2nd year of XBOXLIVE and I Unlocked 1,240 Achievements worth 27,435 Gamerscore points
You are not a gamer.. I just test games eh?
I've always played games becasue they are just so fun to play. Achievements/Trophies are just icing on the cake for me. Sure, the incentive is nice, but Gameplay has always been a bigger driver for me. That's how the 90's were for gaming ^_^
<a href=" http://www.ps3trophies.com/... border="0" src=" http://www.ps3trophies.com/... http://www.ps3trophies.com/... achievements just a number WTF!!!
4 platinum 15 gold 95 silver 373 bronze Trophies just a number WTF!!!
lets say u have a score of 40K on 360 or what ever its just a number i wont know what games have u actually completely finished,u wont know that on the 360 unless u check i think, but gettin a platinum means finishing a game entirely so thts why there is a difference, plus there is also an overall score mine is 9 & 25%
Your forgot to put your fanboy glasses off, otherwise you would have noticed the Level 9 and 25% exp.
i think achievements is just this optional thing u can choose to do, and it really does make for some replay in many games. Usually what i do is play the game first, getting any achievements along the way, but i mostly play for the story. Then after i have beaten the game i would go back and try to get as many achievements as i could :D IMO trophies/achievements cant really hurt your gaming experience, cause u can just ignore them, but i still think getting them is fun xD
I never cared about them. Never even tried to get one intentionally
wish i could 'Turn off' my gamerscore tally.
yea i dont go for trophies i dont really gain anything from them.
I haven't cared about achievements ever. I've had my 360 for 3 and a half years and my gamerscore hasn't even hit 2,500. I think I have like 37 trophies on PS3.
what a noob !
i have become desensitized to Achievements/Trophies. i'll get a Platinum Trophy if i'm over 70% there from just playing the game normally (as was the case with Uncharted, inFAMOUS, and now Uncharted 2) or if by gaining Trophies, i get points to use to buy upgrades/cheats (as in Uncharted 1, Uncharted 2, and Resistance 2). but after playing a game every day, for 8-12 hours a day, forced to create a new profile every time we got a new build (because we couldn't use the same save files, profiles in case that affected/created bugs), and yes, having to unlock the same Achievements over and over and over and over again, day in and day out...yeah, you start to see that there's nothing really special about them. they are good for your e-peen, and that's it (unless they unlock in game rewards). it's just not as cool that some guy got 10,000 kills, when you've gotten over 100,000 kills in the span of a week or two from having to unlock that Achievement/Trophy 10 times over the course of that week or two. my wife likes Trophies. she got the Platinum in Fallout 3 because she actively pursued it. i got the Platinums in Uncharted 1 and inFAMOUS because i was well on the way to doing it on my own and thought, "well, why not?" i'm 13 Trophies away from a Platinum in Uncharted 2, so i also figured, "why not?" work killed any allure of Achievements/Trophies for me, so i just don't view them the same way as a lot of other people.
I don't think they are at all bad. I always beat the game first, then I go back threw and look at what I need to do. So for me they only add hours to my games, As well as more fun.
my gamerscore is more than 127.000GS :) and I have more than 42 complication.. I AM TOTALLY PROUD !
now all you need is a 1:1 converter from GS to Pounds o_o
They are just an excuse for crappy games to sell and get replayed. I passed MGS4 over 11 times, because its a great game. You don't see me playing COD in Veteran just for some stupid Trophies, I play COD Online, where the fun is. I get people that tell me "No I don't want to play MP i'm getting trophies", WTF!? I also see idiots with crappy games like Hannah Montana or Alone in the dark for easy platinums....wh0res
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