Developer David Jaffe has had enough of being misrepresented on the internet, and has promised to see if he can "JUST SHUT THE F- UP for the next 6 months" as a result.
how about some twisted metal jaffe?
Jaffe I love hearing from you man i aint the only one. Sure I dont agree with your 'alleged' view on used games. But man you've been in on some great games and your gonna bring us even more. So dont stop twitering now and then over this bs. It'll b forgotten just as fast as it happened anyways.
It ain't so. he promised he was going to do this before. Now he is walking away butthurt making the same promise...again. It makes him look like a sore loser. Mama always said stupid is as stupid does. He can't keep a good promise for 5 minutes but he will keep a bad one forever. He also needs to quit crying he is being misrepresented. AAll people are doing is quoting him...in context.
FINALLY!!! That guy talks way too much and it's never something concrete
Jaffe knows games are expensive. He's not saying people shouldn't have the right to buy a used game. He's not saying Gamestop or whomever shouldn't sell used games. But he is saying that those stores should give something back to the devs? Sorry but that sounds like mob tactics to me. Threatening to go to DD to get around this is an empty threat. Unless MS and Sony start selling their hardware directly off their own websites they still have to appease the brick and mortar stores. So they'll release a game and charge the same price for both the physical copy and the digital one. I don't know about you but if a game is 19.99 for the physical copy and 19.99 for the electronic one, I'm opting for the physical copy. I can take it over a friend's house, I don't have to worry about not being able to download it for whatever reason in the future should the file get damaged, etc. The solution to me is an internal one. Get these games out for 39.99-49.99 on average. Only games like Modern Warfare should cost 59.99. You do that and I think the used game market will take a substantial hit.
The used market is good - when it's not from retail. People are making money off other people's work for zero risk and high gain. The people that own the IP are getting shafted. Films for instance, they get their time in the cinema, on rental, on pay per view, on premium channels then finally onto terrestial. For games it's like they have the cinema release only, then it's straight to nothing. IMO the industry needs to stop the silly markups that you get in B&M second hand sales and start paying a reasonable % back to the publishers & devs. If you want to stay private go to ebay. It will only help the industry if some of the cash that people use to buy second hand gets back to the folk that deserve it. As for Jaffe...yeah he really should have learned to quit when he was ahead.
What the hell Jaffe? Everytime I look up, he's arguing with an idiot on the internet. He's not making God of War 3, so what is he doing? Look, the guy one of the cooler devs. He's not afraid to speak his mind, but FFS, why doesn't he shut up and go to work instead of dealing with douchbags on the net? What developer argues with people OVER THE INTERNET? Think about that for a minute on how ridiculous that sounds. Assholes are everywhere on the internet, why is Jaffe putting up with this? Yeesh ... come on man, I expected better from you Jafs ....
Maybe instead of Twittering every 5 seconds he should get Twisted Metal done for the PS3...
Well, i did write several times that this guy talks too much for his own good.
In other words, the bosses at Sony said if he keeps making stupid statements he will get fired.
moral of this story, 99% percent of people on the internet are douchebags and its not even worth the time arguing with them. people online just have an amazing sense of self-entitlement like everyone owes them the world, and its pathetic. Jaffe lets his emotions take control a little too much. Just learn to ignore the idiots online, it does no good trying to explain things to them no matter how wrong they are.
I didn't really think Jaffe was totally in the right. The other guy had valid points as well. But they argued them like spastic idiots over the net with FUs and STFUs. It is not that hard to be civil in disagreement. A professional man needs to learn PR. I've got nothing against the guy being social and all that, but you've got to learn that when the attention is on you, you're representing more than yourself.
jaffe shutting up? impossible.
after reading his twitter argument story, I do agree with him. I mean GameStop does scrap off of the games industry after developers and publishers do all the work of making the game.
The guy has some very valid points but his mouth tends to get him into trouble. Love his games though.
With GS being evil to us gamers it's an easy way to try and garner sympathy with us, isn't it? The fact is NO other industry has the bare faced cheek to ask for percentages of the second hand sales of what's aleady been bought once and made them money. I think it's up to people like Jafe to make games so good/replayable/with great online or DLC so we want to keep their games and not trade them against the next thing. As for GS and Co yes they rip US off over the rates they give for trades and then the price they charge for second hand goods but the thing is that they're beiong squeezed by DD themselves so why shouldn't they make what they can get away with? It's up to us not to use them for pre owned and buy from fellow gamers but devs have NO right to demand a second payment for games being sold on-if the games are too weak to demand keeping THEY haven't done their job well enough and I can't believe they think it's us that owes them when this wouldn't even get mentioned by anyone in another industry. We gamers must be soft to consider he even has any point here! Without us buying games in the first place they'd be out of a job and Jaffe lives better than I do and, I'm certain, most of us here so, on this score, he should shut up. When will people stop trying to make us pay more all the time? Usually I like Jaffe but this is greedy in my book but I don't want him to stop all his rantinga!
your arguements seem valid to a certain degree. but in all essence games are software attached to a physical medium. there is no more money to be made after its initial sale. Places like Gamestop offer horrible prices on your used games which they probably made a good profit before when you first bought them. then they in turn offer the used games at ridiculous markup almost at full retail when a person goes to buy a new game. There were countless times where GS employees asked me to purchase the used copy of the game i wished to purchase new. Gamestop is effectively reducing the amount of brand new video games sold and is in essence ruining its business relationships with the developers. Developers arent turning as much profit as they would hope so they cut back to avoid budget overspending and produce inferior games. at the same time Gamestop is screwing with its customers too by offering a huge markup on used games while laughing to the bank. I think its a very valid point that jaffe made that devs are having trouble due to GS policies. i dont think devs should get a extra cut on used video game sales, but i do believe Gamestop should get better policies if it wishes to be supported in the future by the gaming industry. As of now i officially banned Gamestop. I can always find the games i want anyway at a smaller private owned game store owned by fellow gamers themselves, willing to tell me what games are worth my time and even offer to let me have a swing at them before purchasing provided they have a opened copy. Play and Trade in Hampton Cove, i salute you as being the ultimate video game shop.
That's a darn shame to think of Jaffe stopping his blog for six months over some stupid argument with someone over twitter. Even when I disagree, I always like hearing what David Jaffe has to say.
About time he shuts up.
I doubt he will keep quiet for six months. It's like if I promised to not eat a cheeseburger for that amount of time. By the end of the second month he will understand that he has severely underestimated just how long 6 months is, and he will go back to blogging. As he should. I mean, people who would claim that Jaffe is the biggest douchebag or whatever clearly have not met people like ReallyDuH, WhyDis, or NelsonM.
If you read the story, Jaffe says that he's going to give a free game to the first three people who call him on breaking his promise, if he goes back to blogging or twitter before six months is up. I told this to a friend, who said "well, it sounds like three people are going to be getting free games." Either way, it will be interesting to see how this plays out.
How about this f*cking gnome shuts the f*ck up and makes some f*cking games for the coming 6 motherf*cking months? I think it will last 1 month then he will be back in some blog yelling f*ck as usual.
how about you stfu for six months?
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! !!!!!!!!! I love his tweets!!!!!!!!!!
Just let Sweet Tooth do the talking!
While I can't condone everything he said and the language used I can understand his frustration. I'm not a fan of David Jaffe, never played the God of War games but I did like to tune in occasionally to his video blogs. He's tried to make a point which generally I agree with that used games are going to hurt the industry as a whole in the long term unless something changes. Along comes an internet blogger seeking his fives minutes of fame and sets up an argument with David Jaffe and in doing so secures some hits for his site into the bargain. The net result is we now have a developer who has shown remarkable candor in his interview now withdrawing from interaction with the gaming community. Ask yourself what would you prefer? reading someone's anonymous blog as he revels in his five minutes of fame or continue to hear the insight every few months from a proven industry developer?
I'd just like to add that this problem becomes bigger when places like GAME and Gamestation here in the UK and presumably Gamestop in the US actively encourage users to buy second hand because they have a bigger profit margin on that used copy. I've lost count of the times I've bought a game in the local Gamestation and been asked if I want to save two or three pounds on a used copy when I've taken a brand new copy to the counter to pay.
Yeah dude needs to STFU! and simply make some games. The ps3 is nearly in it's third year and dude hasn't even made one f$cking game yet feels the need to be relevant in the gaming industry. The games industry is exactly like the music industry. Until you make something worthwhile you ain't sh1t. God of War was a great game but Jaffe needs to stop riding kratos's d1ck.
Jaffe made 'Calling All Cars'. Get your facts right before you rant.
if you do not want a used games system then make games that are built to last, take the COD and Halo series just has an example or use the games of your choice, and then say take a game like Bioshock which has little replay value even though it is a fantastic game and ask yourself why you would keep the game that has no replay value, in other words your going to sell it, possession in the UK is 9 tenths of the law which means once I have bought it I can do what I dam well like with it, it's mine now, and if I sell it to a shop it becomes there property, what are you going to do? tell people that they cannot sell there games once they are finished with them, generally people who buy used games could not afford the original price anyway and are forced to wait, I say the 360 platinum range is a good way to go, if people know that 6 months down the line the game will be much cheaper then they will buy new, otherwise they will go for the used game bargain, supply and demand works in many ways, even if you tell the shops they cannot sell used games people are still going to use sites like e-bay to sell privately, DLC is the way to go, you do not hear of many people who sell there COD series after downloading loads of new maps now do you.
it's funny because he's greedy and he got called out, and now a grown man is throwing a tantrum. Person 1: "wanna buy this game for $50" Person 2: "yeah sure" *hands over money" days later Person 2: "hey i sold that game to someone for $15 when i finished with it" Person 1: "well wheres my $5 cut" friend 2: "you sold it to me, it was my game, you don't get a cut" friend 1: "but i should still get some more money" ...and that is the story of jaffe and his greed @below and you fail to see the big picture, alot of new game sales are only possible because people can trade games and put the money towards them, i'm sure if people weren't able to trade in games there would be less new game sale's because people would have to choose between title's instead of just getting multiple new games etc. And no jaffe is not right, there is no way he has a right to a cut of used game sales. I personally never buy used, and have only traded in a few times ( the money from which bought several new games) Through the magic of trading i turned my Wii into fallout 3, Far Cry 2 and Red alert 3. If any company is not making money because a game is being repeatedly sold and bought as a used game, it means the game was crap or had little or no replayability, any devs that put all their eggs in a basket full of rotten eggs deserve to lose out
Obviously it went over your head. No, he's NOT greedy. Used game sales is a nice thing to have, but it is detrimental to an industry that takes millions upon millions of dollars to produce a product only to see a fraction of that budget actually turn into profit. This is one reason why many game companies go out of business. They don't get back much profit at all. Jaffe is almost completely right with his argument, he just has a hard time keeping level headed when he gets into a debate. That's it.
I DONT agree that they should get a cut, but I do think there should be some sort of regulation. What kind of regulation? I'm not sure. But the fact is that out of the whole entertainment industry, game developers make by far the least. It's not like movies, where they go to a theater first before they go to DVD/BD/etc. It's not like music where you can licence it off and use it in movies, games, internet, etc. VG development and just program development in general makes the least money, and it hurts the industry. Also this "If any company is not making money because a game is being repeatedly sold and bought as a used game, it means the game was crap or had little or no replayability, any devs that put all their eggs in a basket full of rotten eggs deserve to lose out" ...fails. There are plenty of great games over-shadowed by big budget crap fests (i.e. Halo). For example, Xbox 1 had so many great games, but were overlooked. Phantom Dust, Breakdown, Kingdom Under Fire, Unreal Championship 2, the list goes on. All people can relate Xbox 1 to is Halo 1 and 2, which were garbage compared to other games that came out. Yes, garbage. They simply were not able to shine through the hype of the halo games. It's not because they were bad. You can even look up the ratings.. they were great.
You don't know what your talking about A movie that costs 200million to make will gross 600million to 1billion ( if it's good), that's 5* the developement cost at most, A game like fallout 3 costs less than 20 million to make and sells for $50us and sells 10 million copies = way more than 5* profit The games industry is extremely profitable, don't fool yourself Companies that know their stuff will sell 10 million copies every time, valve, blizzard to name a few. Here's something i wrote in another article, indie devs and small devs have no reason to complain either PSN games like flower made a ridiculous amount of money: "and you can't argue production cost shouldn't be reflected in the game cost either, if a AAA game costs 20 million to make, they sell 10 million at $50 each, they make their money back plus a nice $100 mill profit, whereas an indie developer or small developer makes a game for $10,000 and sell 10,000 copies at $10, they just made a huge score"
I make some money from writing/performing in the music industry and, trust me, we get NOTHING from second hand sales, get our work shared and downloaded illegally WAY more than games get pirated and we don't demand an unreasonable cut of second hand sales when our product isn't good enough to warrant keeping. Jaffe has no point at all in my eyes. Because we gamers get ripped all the time eberyone thinks they can give us whatever product and we should be thankful-no! Up your, erm, game and it won't happen so much as we'll want to keep the games if they're good enough, won't we? If devs don't get a good enough dal from publishers I also fail to see why we should make up for them not negotiating well enough. Plaves like GS take the pi55 but that's cos we let them and has nothing to do with Jaffe or any other developer when noone in any other industry asks for a similar thing as they'd rightly get laughed at. You make your product and then your cash from selling it but after that it's gone and you have nothing more to do with it. Have they worked again to merit another payment? No. Also they have the second chance o DLC on very product to make more cash AND make us keep their original wares. Truth is they've a very good deal as long as the quality's high enough-and who is that up to?
Yeah STFU David Jaffe you looser and also Dante's Inferno is graphically more impressive than your Flop.
IF IT WASNT FOR THE GOD OF WAR SERIES THERE WOULDNT BE A DANTES INFERNO..ITS A COMPLETE RIP-OFF..SO YOU SHOULD BE THANKING DAVID FOR CREATING GOW CAUSE NOW AT LEAST YOU CAN PLAY A BOOTLEG VERSION OF THE GAME...GOD KNOWS YOU GUYS NEED SOMETHING TO PLAY ALREADY LOL..TOO EASY 1
Dante's Inferno is so much cooler looking than God Of War III. I will buy that instead of God Of War III.
While I don' agree with the fact that God of War III will be bad since it looks awesome, it's a bit foolish to say it was the first game of its type hence no other games that are inspired by it would exist. Hack and Slash/Action RPG games existed before God of War, Golden Axe comes to mind.
An Stard admits the errors of his ways and decides to STFU??? Good job jaffe, now convince the rest of sony's desperately annoying goons to do the same so the world of gaming can loose the tag of being full of primitives.
Like you and your constant homophobic slurs in almost every one of your comments? yeah, that's real classy, bot.
shall we ban used cars sales now? once something is sold it is no longer the property of the seller, it is the buyers property, and what about the fact that as soon as we buy something it goes right down in value, isn't it the customer who also looses out for being the one who always pays full price only to see the item loose value, and are we to assume that if used game sales are stopped that the companies will be so grateful that they will actually sell it at a price we can afford, we are all in a recession not just the companies, maybe if companies worked smarter we would all have safe jobs and be able to afford there stupidly high prices.
when you go to a dealership that does retail by buying huge amounts of cars from the manuafacturer, the dealer always sizes you up first. if he deems you are trustworthy enough to get the new vehicle he makes it his priority that you get a new vehicle. this ensures its future relationship with the manuafacter and makes it a great business prospect for both parties. if the person deems you to be a risk he will usually veer you towards a used vehicle or simply say you dont meet the requirements. this satisfys the bank and further solidifys their future relationship. However Gamestops policies arent that way at all. they undercut their retail sales by offering used games for only 5 measly bucks off retail. its their policy to push used games on customers. this obviously creates less revenue and support from devs. then they buy your used game back for 5-15 bucks and put it on the shelf for 55 bucks. this clearly a ridiculous markup and thus gamers will support them less too. You see if anyone is greedy its Gamestop. They not only screw the dev but the gamers too. If DD is the way we can get back at them, then by all means, lets do it. games will be cheaper too if we cut the middle man. People will be more careful of what they buy (trash games will get little to no support), and devs will have enough profit to continue to produce high profile games with budgets that rival blockbuster movies.
he is not working for Sony anymore he got his own company and he is not making god of war 3 and all of you ppl are stupid that's his blog let him say whatever he want jeeez you guys such pain in the ass
only xbots hates david because he dosent release games on crap consoles. and to the oones who says that dantes inferno and castelvania is better, no its not, its just 2 gow clones. wait for the reviews and then talk.
The guy's a Sony slave, programmed to droid the net with BS.
Jaffe knows what he's talking about. Everyone just calm down for five seconds. I suppose you all support the new health care plan too?
xbots only jealous there best game and only game is a power ranger with a nerf gun in the maxed out flopbox in 640p. for PS3, GOW is only one of the many IPs the console that Only Does Everything™ has in its arsenal
Whats taking Eat Sleep Play so long to make a game? It's been two years since the broke off from Incognito.
I don't know about laws in the US, but in Italy when you buy a CD/DVD/Game, you buy the right to use the product for your enjoyment in private and the producer gives you the physic support to enjoy the media, but actually you haven't bought the disc, you have bought some kind of license to use the stuff. When you use the product in pubblic, you have to pay the copyright/royalty fees. We all know games are really too expensive, but if GStop or whoever pays people 30 bucks for a game that is one week old and it's sold new from 59,99, and then re-sell it for 54,99, then...yeah I think they should at least give some money to devs, since it's a business were only GStop earns the money. I saw this in Italy's GameStops, I bought MS: PR new for 59,98 € since used it was sold for 54,98 €. And I saw the same pricing yesterday for Bionic Commando and Red Faction Guerrilla. That's not fair. Devs works their asses off to let GameStop get rich alone? I understand Jaffe, devs are the only ones that have to lose in the business, and less money=less developments funds=more shovelware, sequels, unoriginal games=bad for consumers. And even the Country takes money from taxes. So the figure is: the gamers save money, GameStops (or other resellers) gets floods of money, the Country takes money and the devs/software house lose the chance of getting a revenue. Remember also that software house pays a hell lot of monet to promote the games, and GameStop gets even this kind of promotion for free. Actually some times I go to GameStop and when I see people that's going to sell games, I approach them and have a chat, and if they have games I'm interested with I propose to buy them for the same amount they have from GS, but in quick cash. It's always a loss for devs, but no one gets richer without working. Then, in conclusion I will miss Jaffe's blabbering just because of a plain blinded dork, that has showed a really blank view of how business work. @dchalfont You should do your maths better. A game sold for 50 $ doesn't mean 50 $ for the devs/software houses. You must count Developments costs Costs to run the software house Advertising Printing DVD/Blu-Ray and packages Delivery/distribution Sellers profit Insane amount of taxes. The gaming industry is higly profitable, but not as much as you said. Your infos are really misleading.
You guys should contact Jaffe and invite him on the show! Butter him up make him feel all safe and secure, and that he will be in a safe place where he can explain his thoughts and views. Treat him like the special flower he is, then when you got him on the show conference me in so I can tear him a new one lol. I don't have anything personal against Jaffe but if your gonna get into it with the community you better be able to handle it a little better than he did. You can't just start crying, pick up your ball and go home!
Yes, you and the others who said that he should know better when and how to speak are completely right, but he has got a point, and he had at first the guts to support his stuff, even if not in a really elegant positive and constructive way. PS I'm really pleased that this is a diagonal argument where people are not sided just 360/PS3.
refreshing aint it Omega, nice name btw:)
Thanks :) And yeah it's somehow refreshing, even if the old console war bashing is always fun if done with some respect for the game and the gamers. It's part of the game. You can't be a fan of Chicago Bulls and Los Angeles Lakers at the same time, but you have to respect the supporters and the players. That's how I live this war.
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I am sure I am one of MANY people here who actually do like David Jaffe. He's impulsive but he's one of few devs who feel like talking to people who are his potential customers. Also he seems to be a cool man actually simply put. But maybe, just maybe, this 6 months break is good idea. He'd have some time to learn how to express his opinions clearly and in a less passionate way so that they'll be less likely to be misinterpreted. Also he's have to time to learn how not to lose temper even if sb says stupid or irritating things.
The better thing about these 6 months is that he won't lose time twitting and blogging and he will work on his game, since acts speaks louder than words. LOL I remember when I saw his videoblogs every day and I was constantly asking myself: "Yeah, he went to the cinema with his sons, he went to shopping, he games, but when the f**k does he work???" But I love his being really down to Earth, unlike many other in the business
even when developer say something about sony its twised. stop with all the negative sony press its old
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thats what you get lol.
yeah right....it will never happen :)
he is annoying
While I understand someone seeing a potential profit center being denied to them, there is a big flaw in the concept of getting a cut of the action. Since the beginning of formal society as we know it, there has been a barter system, this later progressed and exists parallel to the currency exchange system. But, no matter the system, it is always an exchange of something for something else. Once that exchange has been completed, the parties involved become the owners of said property. This applies to all forms of property. If one party has something and is willing to give up ownership (physical or otherwise) to it, for much less or much more than it's worth, they can. If someone wanted to sell a house for 10 dollars, they could. If someone buys a car and 1 month later wants to sell it (as long as they own it free or can pay off the a loan if they have one) they can. If someone buys a book retail and then after reading it wants to sell it or lend it out, they can. It's called ownership. People don't want to own a license to use a product for a set limit of times or whatever. The only people that would want that, would be a business, because they can save costs. People want to own what they buy, not just own the right to use it. Ownership = Power That's why in the original draft of the Declaration of Independence, it's the right to property and not the pursuit of happiness. They later changed it before the ratified it at Franklin's urging. It's really quite simple. I own something, I give it to someone else for something of value I judge worthy and that person gets what I owned up to that point. They can then do what they want with it, because as the owner of said property, they have the power over its fate. Unless we agreed at time of sale that I get a percentage of their profit (if they made any, or just on any amount that they do get), I don't see dime one. That's how things work on every street corner on the globe, since time immemorial. If you want to try and change people's minds on property ownership and the rules of exchange, than go right ahead and try, but it's not going to be an easy thing to change 1000's of years worth of doing something.
I'ts because he rants, he's not trying to make sense I don't think, just blow off some steam. It gets him in trouble, he is hurting his rep.
i think he'll end up putting a cork up his arse instead of his mouth.
YES. THIS IS GOOD NEWS. I HATE THIS GUY SO MUCH.
the 3 worst developers with regards to public relations are. 1.denis dyak 2.david gaffe 3.peter molenyux all three could learn do with a steaming hot cup of STFU every once in a while.
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