GTA 4 restrained by Xbox 360 says UK publication

From TVG:
"Having spent some time reviewing Rockstar's teaser trailer for Grand Theft Auto IV just to eek out some extra details from the minute long reveal several weeks ago, attention has now turned to analysing additional details about the game itself.

Reports from the US emerged first, confirming the identity of GTA IV's protagonist, the single-city location, and the game's lack of aeroplanes, but now it's the turn of UK-based publications in this instance, PSM UK. In the latest issue, the publication reveals further titbits of information including news that the masses of NPCs that wander around the streets of Liberty City have their own quirks (for instance, some will smoke), and that the police force will be more challenging this time around.

There certainly seems to be plenty of little details being thrown into the fourth true iteration of the ten-year old franchise, including a wide variety of behaviours from NPCs, and several unconfirmed multiplayer modes, but the article also reveals one of two interesting notions. First of all is the apparent restraint being placed on Rockstar North thanks to Microsoft's decision to release the harddrive-less Core version of Xbox 360, something that the Oblivion team at Bethesda Softworks can no doubt relate to. The Xbox 360's DVD player is also cited as something of a restraint in the article too..."

[eques judicii]

oblivion was 4.5 gbs... dvd was not limiting for them... however, the lack of a standard HDD is a drawback when it comes to streaming data, something that the addition of HD-DVD or bluray would not solve.

[Lord Anubis]

Don't know why people bring that up. Why didn't you use the previous GTA titles as an example. Because using elder scrolls as an example is just silly, repetitive voice overs, repetitive monsters and they reuse assets a lot. GTA 3 had more content than Elder Scrolls

[shotty]

Saints Row fit on a DVD aswell and its the exact type of game on the same scale.

[Halonator]

long can u keep saying that. I look at my 360 with reality. i mean i just hope they keep making really good game. I think geometrry wars show that a game doesn't have to be huge or crazy graphics. i love that game and its a simple concept.

i truth i don't thing the 360 can keep up. i mean reall. WE ARE USING SOMTHING THAT IS OVER 10 YEARS OLD. i wasn't always in to gaming so i don't know what the origanl ps came out with the cd or dvd.
BUT CAN SOMETHING THAT OLD REALLY BE NEXT GEN.

I seems to me like game were befor the dvd, the the dvd and now hddvd or bluray.

the fact is that a game on bluray doesn't need to use 40 or 50 gigs...seems to me like if it is only 10 gigs...it is out of the 360's league.

CAN U REALLY SAY THERE WON'T BE ANY 10 GIG GAME THIS GEN. AND IF NOT...THEN WE NEVER HIT "NEXGEN"

[SmokeyMcBear]

we all knew this day was coming... let the flame war begin

[Halonator]

Odd peolpe making fun of it because it is from PSM...i don't remember anyone saying anything when other details came out from this same interview.
#7 you are right...i notice that too.

I think we all know this would happen eventually. I am starting to think that MS is going to put out a bunch of 360 so they can make money and run before the ps3 really picks up stem...I hope not though. Not for at least another 2 years becuase then i will have had 3 years with my 360 and i will have been money well spent. and i can easly but the ps3 in over a year.

[DixieNormS]

LOL! That says it all.

[stingray9191]

Agreed

[Shake]

i dont get it.wut does psm uk supposed to settle?

[nice_cuppa]

DURRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR RRRRRRRRRRRRR !

oxmuk says the ps3 gpu is holding back gt4 !

[dantesparda]

Man, you're really technically ignorant. They are talking about how the DVD drive on the 360 isnt fast enough to stream the data of the disk to incorporate airplanes flying by, at those res'es at a reasonable speed. The guys who made Saints Row, said the same thing! they also wanted to include planes, but didnt for the same reasons. Now the PS3 having a HDD wouldnt have this problem. That is what they are talking about. Not that the graphics are being held back, or the size of the game. Now stop being such a ignorant douchebag

[BIadestarX]

Hey LOOK! A Sony fanboy article for the the Sony fanboys!

[fury]

an ownage article for the XBots. OWNED!

[Skizelli]

Two morons sitting in a tree...

[sovietsoldier]

i just love how people abuse the feedback system on this site! fan boys and little babbies are to blame!

[Boink]

from PSM uk...that's just sad.

oblivion was 6 gig's with plenty to spare.

this seems to be about as fair and balanced news as fox news.

why not ask the people at xbox mag about the ps3? DUH

maybe ask the oil companies what the think about the future of the fuel cell? or their honest opinion of if they are polluting the environment?

[kamakazi]

funny how this "BS" would get approved if it were the other way around. this site if f*cking hilarious

[Halonator]

i see it happen all the time. i saw this mentioned somewhere else too

[power of Green]

I think you got it confused you know mixed up backward. It will be approved soon enough no one has seen it obviously.

[BubblesDAVERAGE]

Like I said if it states the obvious then its not true.So you guys are saying that if MS would have went with hddvd or blu ray GTa coulda have been a bigger game ? Or at least adding a HDD on every system.. You guys cant say that isnt holding the game back...It limits the game like it or not.(yet since this is a pro MS site) * there wrong ps3 holds it back w3iht all that space on them blu ray disc*

[Halonator]

I have noticed the same...why or how is this site so pro MS. sometimes i think a lot of peole here might be part of the MS marketing dept.
because some of the things that get said...well, i can never imagine a normal consumer saying.

[kingofps3]

Anyways, I wonder, which version of GTA4 will not only look better, but play flawless. I think you already know.

[sak500]

"Anyways, I wonder, which version of GTA4 will not only look better, but play flawless. I think you already know. :

Yep just like the previous original and ports have shown.

[fury]

Port is a complete different thing.

[The Snake]

True but in that case the ports were better.

[XboxKing]

ooo that easy to call the PS3 one (just like the Xbox version GTA was better then the PS2 version GTA)

BUT

which version of this GTA will sell better??? The one on the console that has 10 million (or so) or the one with 4 Million (or so)
360 = 10 million PS3 = 4 million

[power of Green]

Normal consumers would not be able to tell you how many gigs any HD format has nor would they be able to tell you how many in a DVD9 and i doubt they'll care.

Either PS3 fans have not seen this post or they themselfs do not think its credable, trust me they'll post anything as fast as they see it to trash talk the 360, what i noticed is how strange it is that you guys are baffled that a story posted an hour ago is some indacation of a pro Xbox site 10:30 PT.

Anyways we already know parts of the game will be stored on the HHD (HDD 20/120 gigs) as was stated from the get go; its the non facts of this Forum quality news that has people wondering how the hell did this site become ran down by PS3 fanboys posting anything to trash talk the 360.

Its like this news was grabed from a PS3 forum and posted as fact it has the same cred as a 360 fanatic finding news about how PS3's version will be held back.
because of weak ram and will not look as nice and plays worse due to other games being lack luster.

Halonator: No i do not get payed by Microsoft Im very upset with them I wish they hyped their products like Sony, They need to fix the D-pad on the controller lol. I defended their console forever and the POS they sold me; this time last year broke on me on Sunday, they need way more content on XBL they also need to regulate the price of all content.

I do believe in their future and their vision and the New IP's and the evolution of XBL. I'll worry about games on BLu-ray and HD-DVD when i'm ready to pay $80-90 a game that the devs will have to charge to fill those types of games in a standard fashion, that is if DDL-ing hasnt took over by then.

[Halonator]

even though i think u r part of MS...i have seen your other comments. anyway, u r right. are their no ps3 fans on this site that no one approved it or dose no one care what PSM thinks?
oh...by the way i am just a traniee so i cpuldn't approve it, other wise i would have.
i have seen garbage approve on here, this actually from someome big.

Oh...did you guy see the new halo screen...awesome

[Maddens Raiders]

Fk it. Run it and quit being so damn scared. I've seen worse fit for garbage published here. This is Mickey Mouse stuff; not Blue Dragon stuff people; right?

[TheMART]

PSM? Moahahaha

Yeah right, first off:

Oblivion fit on a SL-DVD
The HDD that's not on the core I can see is too bad, but the DVD capacity isn't a problem.

And if it would be, they just could use 2 DL-DVD's. Which isn't a problem for me, saving 200 dollar/euro that is 33% on the price of a gaming console where 1 to 4% might be over 1 DL-DVD in five years time from now. Thanks for reminding Madden Raiders, that Blue Dragon also used more DL-DVD's. For some games that might be the answer, in general the games fit on a DL-DVD

This just sounds like PSM nonsense like always

[warfed]

why don't u just use 20 CDs if you're such a tool?

[masterg]

Yeah I'm sure nobody would have a problem with changing discs every time you drove to the other side of the city.
Give me a freaking break

[sak500]

I just hope they reduce the 20gig price so all core guys can pick it up and then the games can be made with HDD kept in mind. ALthough none of the amazing games that have come so far on 360 have needed an HDD.

[Silver360]

If the 360 is holding the game back just include more content on the ps3 disc. Big deal. I say make the game they want to make. I love my 360 and I am positive it is a great machine but damn I get tired of the this bull crap. In the end let's just make games that highlight each systems strength and be happy playing them

[Vip3r]

Oh dear. It would be a shame if the 360 is the reason that they cut some content from the game.

[THE TERMINATOR]

Thats the problem with multiplatform games this Gen, the Ps3 version will be held back due to crappy 360 hardware. GTA5 could become PS3 exclusive once there is a large enough userbase. Also a 2 DL DVD is not practical for a game which streams data like GTA, it just would not work .

[MySwordIsHeavenly]

Can we stop talking about Oblivion already?

When Sony went to the DVD for the PS2...Nintendo fans scoffed at it because a lot of PS1 games weren't using multiple discs. They used star ocean as an example. It was a huge, expansive world with hours and hours of gameplay...but it was only on one disc. well, apparently FFVII and Gran Turismo 2 needed multiple discs...and FFVII didn't look all that good...especially compared to FFVIII...

We KNOW Oblivion fit onto one DVD...but GTAIV apparently can't...so SUCK IT!

[X]

Star Ocean was 2 discs. disc 1 was blue and disc 2 was purple.

[THE TERMINATOR]

GTA5 PS3 EXCLUSIVE!!!!!

[solidt12]

They brought this up because developers want to use the hardrive to develop games so they can cache files to improve game performance. For instance OBLIVIAN and GTA use huge maps that will take awhile to load. If they can cache files in game design they will load faster. Developers can't make the 360 version this way because of the core version has no drive so XBOX 360 versions want run as good. They included a drive in all of the original XBOX's so why go backwards. That was dumb of Microsoft, just to make there start price appear to be lower. This is why PS3 versions of the same will rule. OBLIVIAN is a testament of that and GTA IV will be too.

[gnothe1]

because last gen developers told MS that the HDD isnt really needed. it was nice to have but NOT NEEDED. how many games last gen used the HDD, only 1 for the ps2(FF) an only a handful for the xbox 1.so they decided on not making the standard, plus all the game hacking that went on with the xbox also help make the decision.

you guys are bashing MS for what they didnt do(hdd not standard, not next gen format) but you need to thank MS for what they did, because if it wasnt for MS an the xbox 1 the PS3 wouldnt be where it is today!!

[Ban Me]

I joined this site expecting it to have quite a mature userbase with better things to do than b*tch about which console is best and drag down every article relating to the "opposition".

The worst thing is the people who post the articles are just as bad as those who comment on them.

News For Gamers? More News For Fanboys.

[razer]

The site has become some what of a joke. I always wonder why articles posted here are never posted on "credible" game blogging sites. Because most of it is fanboy bull. I just don't understand how a game like Crackdown( with 3 cities), Oblivion, Mass Effect, Saints Row, etc can have such huge worlds with lots of details in character interaction and it all fit on this "crippled 360" as the desperate fanboys put it. I just get a laugh now at the same idiots posting in every 360 article as if their insults are somehow going to bring games to the PS3 and put the 360 out of business. I know propoganda worked OK for the fanboys in the past but this generation its different. It ain't workin.

As a multi-console owner I watch both sides of the fence.. And if the 360 is holding games back why does it consitantely score higher in reviews when a game comes to both platforms?? Please somebody answer that!!! And don't use some crap like MS is paying them off or the dev's haven't unlocked the "magical" cell processor.. those are played out already sorry.

[JasonPC360PS3Wii]

let me remind the PS3 fans of poor quality ports shall I and then let me step back into the light of reality where the PS3 can't keep up with a console nearly two years old on power.

Truth can be a painfull thing sometimes Keyser<-- you can take an aspirin for that you know.

"financial reasons or lack of time" many of these ports are comming out now, 7 months after the PS3 launch kinda like when these games were released many were 6 months after the launch of the 360. So your time theory doesnt work when they roughly come out the same time after each systems launch. Devs had months to prepare for each system and they are still running better on the 360 as you have seen here on N4G and other sites like thise one.

My "bad joke" as you put it is not te be funny to you PS3 fans (its meant to be a burn) Burn baby burn.

Excuses are like a$$holes Sony fans have all got one.

[Keyser]

I assume that was just a bad joke. Because dev's didn't create a good port for financial reasons or lack of time you say it's because the PS3 lacks power? Take the day off from posting...

[Havince]

your an idiot

[THAMMER1]

The game will still be awesome. I think this is just a way to keep customer happy with the choice they have made. I would not take this article to seriously.

[solidt12]

Jason xg1 your post proves no point. The early ports where from 360 to PS3 so of course they where poor. Games developed for the PS3 or ported from PC look excellent. It's due to the differences in the architecture. Companies were just trying to make a quick buck with the early ports from 360 and most were rush jobs. The next bunch will be better.

[JasonPC360PS3Wii]

Correct me if I’m wrong but isn’t Fear and Splinter Cell newer than the PS3? I mean hell the PS3 was supposed to come out spring 06 and those two games came in fall 06, So how could they be old ports?

See a lot of you PS3 fans forget that the PS3 was supposed to come out spring 06 in your arguments, you try to make the world think that its all new hardware and you forget these systems were designed roughly around the same time (not fall 06).

Of course you guys like to blame it a lot on lazy devs, why is it the devs are only lazy on the PS3 but there not lazy on the 360, PC or Wii?

So what is going to be your continued excuse when more ports show up to look better on the 360? I mean hell look what’s been your excuse all year long about ports (blame it on the Devs or biased reviewers) god forbid if we blame it on the machine with a super CPU an outdated GPU and little memory. You know if Sony had chosen to use the original design and not cut cost to fit in Blu-Ray we might have ourselves a closer race and not such a beating.

ZING...

[andy1187]

WHATT!! did you play xbox 360 version of Oblivian, then the ps3 version of Oblivian. Come on you have admit it was a great port, why because THEY WERE NOT LAZY!!

and about the Fear and Splinter Cell and how they was suppose at the spring 06 launch, then why didn't they release it on the fall 06 launch, why? Because THEY WERE NOT DONE YET, just like rainbow six, that was suppose to be a launch title, but they were not done yet. Damn, people like you just say things to trash something.

[razer]

You just can't win here man. You just owned the hell out of that solidt12 guy and yet people still disagree. You can show them one mult-platform game after the other that has better scores on the 360 and they will continue to make up some excuse or keep telling you to wait. Or even better that the dev's are "lazy". haha the excuses keep coming.

[solidt12]

THAMMER1 , I agree it will still be a good game on both systems. it will just take longer to load on the 360. I just hope the PS3 version takes advantage of all that extra space with some kind of extra content. Even if it is only some making the game videos.

[THAMMER1]

But I do not know about those long load times. FEAR loads extra slow on the PS3. The 360 version of that game is smoother and more detailed and loads faster too. So I do not think the load times will be an issue. I think the issue will come down to frame rates.

[THC PRITCHARD]

i hope to god this is true

[Keyser]

The differences between the PS3 version and the 360 version will be negligible and someone will post screenshots that we will squint at the screen and try to notice the difference.

Or there will be a 5 second load time difference that you'd have to be playing one on PS3 beside the 360 to notice.

They are going to shine this game up for both systems.

[Bathyj]

C'mon the game is going to be awesome no matter what.

But this is a wake up call. I dont know if its true or not, but if its not, it will be one day. Thats why I've always said exclusive games are more likely to be better, and multi plat games aren't a true indication of what a console can do. I really wish M$ hadn't made a Core unit. The best thing about the XB was know every machine had the HD in it, and devs could design a game around that. I'm also glad Sony included BR and I dont care if it made the machine cost more. You only have to buy it once and then its done. Games dont cost anymore, in fact the 1st party Sony games are cheaper.

Like I said I dont know if this is true for this game but heres something no one can argue with because its fact, not opinion. Having a HD is better than not knowing if you have a HD, and 25 (or 50GB) is bigger than 9GB. Water is wet, the sky is blue, and women have secrets.

EDIT: Did I really just lose another bubble for this post? F*ck me, some of you are just too sensitive. Dry your eyes Princess.

[MikeGdaGod]

good post

[Bathyj]

To whoever took my bubble, if you feel so strongly about whatever I said that ruffled your panties why dont you reply to me and tell me your side of it. I always listen even if I dont always agree and I at least consider it, not just dismiss it off hand.

This is how a real person should handle himself, instead of just taking potshots from the bushes with that damn - feedback button.

[PS360PCROCKS]

Yeah it's ridiculous huh? But keep in mind that it takes a few votes to go up and down in your bubbles.

[MikeGdaGod]

but it will be in a year or so. this is why i think the ps3 will win in the end. it just has too many advantages that the devs can't help but to use. i hope for everyone sake the game turns out good on both system, but expect to see more and more articles like this. and i guarantee it won't be from just PSM.

[PS360PCROCKS]

While it's probably true who knows...it cant be changed now so why bitc* about it. Plus Rockstar agreed to make the game didn't they? They knew all the tidbits about the 360 when they signed an agreement.

[Odion]

It is possible that blue ray may loose this format war, and then what will soney do? If Hd-DvD becomes the winner, no developer is going to want to make games on a dead format, Sony will be in huge trouble then.

DvD is still the clear winner and its going to take alteast 5 years for it to be thrown out maybe more. When the Ps4 and the xbox3 finally come out then it will make more sence.

Hell if both sides really cared about gaming then MS and Sony should have teamed up and made a HD format that both used then we wouldn't be in this stupid mess.

[Keyser]

Chances of that happening is Zero! They are in competition. Sony did bluray as an advantage point and MS used dvd to keep its price down and to make their system cost less. They both used their respective technology as an advantage point.

If Bluray loses they will still make games on bluray. Its just a larger space to put games. It being used for movies is mutually exclusive.

Hopefully when the PS4 and Xbox720 come out they use an even larger format so that devs have all the space possibly available to add whatever they want to games. More space is better.

[masterg]

The format cant die. Even in the unlikely event that it looses the HD war the format will still be the standard on the PS3.
That has absolutely nothing to do with the movie war.

[Anego Montoya FTMFW]

your in LA-LA Land.

[IBLEEDBLU]

ok here i go again

simple question

out of the xbox360 and PS3 which has a much greater disc space for dev to use.
A)xbox360
B) PS3

if u say xbox360 please provide FACTS

thank you

[Wargasm]

Dr wargasm regrets to inform you that you have a bad case of Fanboyism.... Its ok, many people go on to live happy and completely normal lives with Fanboyism.

However, i recommend a that to treat this that you...

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[Odion]

I am just play devils advacate, but ya i don't get how the biggest and nicest looking PC games have yet to go over 9 gigs but GTA 4 is having problems.

[AuburnTiger]

Most pc games have multiple setup discs. I believe DOOM III had 5 discs.

[bung tickler]

those "disks" you forgot to mention were cd's buddy... not DVD's