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What Makes A Good Game Platform?

Alexander Brandon @ Gamasutra: "Today I realized that a lot of people I've been talking to about the difference in the PlayStation 3 and the Nintendo Wii are elitist. That's right, I'm saying elitist and I'm damn proud to shout that from the mountaintops. Let's examine the reasoning....

In my conversations with these people, their statement is usually the same: "The Wii is two Gamecubes duct taped together". Whereas the PS3 is a triumph of modern engineering. The Xbox 360 is somewhere in between.

However I recall a situation not too unlike our current one. In 1977 the Bally Astrocade and Atari 2600 were released. The Astrocade had much more capabilities than the Atari. Better graphics, better sound. Even the Intellivision, released two years later, couldn't compare. The only unit that had any competitive edge was the Colecovision, and that would be released in 1972, five years later, nearly a full cycle afterwards. But man, I wanted one.

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-MD-5797d ago

That's a good way to make it not sell.

Shadow Man5797d ago (Edited 5797d ago )

Play Station is awesome.

LordMarius5797d ago

lol and thats why you bought one?

Xbots giving in to SONY since 2006

RockmanII75797d ago

I can think of a lot of good systems that don't have SONY stamped on it.

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qface645797d ago (Edited 5797d ago )

basically good games if you have good games that people will enjoy you have yourself a good console

LordMarius5797d ago

I agree, as long as most of those games are exclusive
A console that relies to much on multiplatform titles is not worth having IMO

GWAVE5797d ago

I don't think "good games" is enough.

"Good games that do something different" is more like it. It isn't enough to just copy the competition and hope that the public doesn't notice. You have to innovate.

La Chance5797d ago (Edited 5797d ago )

Which console are you talking about when you say "something different" cuz the 360 and the PS3 pretty much have the same kind of games.

Forza on Xbox, GT on PS3. Gears or Halo on 360, Resistance and Killzone on PS3 etc etc.

Only a few games do something "different". I can only think of LBP on PS3 and ME or Viva Pinata back in the day on 360.

SupaPlaya5797d ago (Edited 5797d ago )

I think he meant in general, not any specific console.

To me a good console is console with games that suit my personal taste. Which means a good console's definition will vary by a lot. Some people love games like Shadow of the Colossus, I love games like FFVI and DQ6, you may like games like Gears of War and Bioshock.

There are some minimal requirement but aside from that, there is no set rule. Otherwise it's like saying what makes good music?

HDgamer5797d ago (Edited 5797d ago )

PS3 and 360 are not the same, they do not have the same games except when it comes to multiplatforms.

Headshot815797d ago

Exclusives, Graphics,& Hardware. If you can check all those you have a great console. I know graphics aren't everything, but if you spend hundreds of dollars on a next gen console, the games better look Bad ASS!
"we're at a stage where most players don't care about 1080p"

... maybe if you don't want the game to look it's best, sure have the devs crawl back into your comfort zone. It's all about pushing technology to its limits. When you have a great game that nails everything from gameplay,presentation, sound, animations, and then you find out that it will run at 1080p, you know G O W 3 is going to own!!!!!!!!!

IdleLeeSiuLung5797d ago (Edited 5797d ago )

I agree with the article that PS3 owners tend to be elitists similar to Apple users (or it is a very select few vocal ones). They praise the hardware like no tomorrow and hype everything into oblivion.

In the end, the only thing that matters is software, software and more software. The Wii without Wii Sports or Mario wouldn't be what it is today. The Xbox without Halo and ahem Gears of War wouldn't be what it is today. The Playstation without Gran Turismo, Final Fantasy and Metal Gear Solid wouldn't be what it is today.

Ironically, this generation it doesn't seem software is pushing consoles....

el zorro5797d ago

It all comes down to the all-important software and services that a console offers. I prefer the 360 because I think it has the best software and services.

ShabzS5797d ago

good games for sure yes ... all the 3 consoles have good games in the eyes of the beholder ...

but HARDWARE RELIABILTY plays a MAJOR role in making a good platform

Syronicus5796d ago

Pretty much sums it up for me.

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Sonyslave35797d ago

it all about fun and that where i think wii shine the most at.

Jaces5797d ago

Wii....fun?

Perhaps to a 7 year old. I don't think it's so much the games that give a platform a reason to own, but the experience you get out of that game.

I chose PS3 due to the incredible variety and different feel that a lot of their games hold. While on the 360 all I can find is FPS's, RPG's, and the once in awhile Fable's.

I for one am not impressed with FPS's as much as I used to be due to the overcrowded genre and RPG's aren't what they used to be with few gems here and there.

That's just my two cents, as bias as it sounds I'm still getting a 360 for a couple gems I can't get on the PS3. :)

qface645797d ago (Edited 5797d ago )

i have allot of fun with my wii what does that make me?

i chose the wii for those franchises i enjoy as well as those good 3rd party games
the wii has allot of games of all types i enjoy playing allot

Jaces5797d ago

There are only so many games you can play on the wii that would entertain a 22 year old.

Mario Galaxy
Smash Bros.
Metroid
Zelda

I know I'm missing one or two but those right there aren't enough to keep me entertained for as long as the other consoles out in the world. Most of what the Wii offers is mere child's play and most multiplats that come to the Wii like Dead Space end up being so dumbed down and edited that it turns around to be a complete failure.

qface645797d ago (Edited 5797d ago )

age has nothing to do with the games
i enjoy playing animal crossing as much as i enjoy smash or no more heroes

it just has to do with taste and if you like the games or not

you don't like many of the games on the wii that doesn't mean you have to be a certain age to enjoy what the wii offers

Jaces5797d ago

True, but the wii "appeals" to those younger which means they'll develop more games for the younger audience rather than focus on everyone.

Yet for most of the games I see a lot of them don't require taste...just a different age group.

They have some great hardcore games but not enough to keep my interest after I'm done with them.

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TheColbertinator5797d ago (Edited 5797d ago )

Unique original games with new ideas in existing genres.Sega and Nintendo had this concept nailed down a decade ago.

Reliability is also a big one.My N64 and Sega Saturn are still running fine

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The Real Enemy of Gaming Isn’t DEI. It’s the CEO

From Horse Armor to Mass Layoffs: The Price of Greed in Gaming. Inside the decades-long war on game workers and the players who defend them.

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jambola7d ago

maybe a real enemy is people who use terms like "the real enemy"
there can be more than 1 bad thing, t's not like a kids show with 1 big bad

senorfartcushion5d ago

This is very much a “dummy who volunteers themselves to the middle” comment.

The real enemy is a common phrase, people use it all the time.

Calm down.

jambola5d ago

i'm very calm
you seem very upset however

Notellin4d ago

You don't seem calm at all. Don't take this so seriously, you seem desperate responding to others defending your opinion that lacks any value or critical thought.

jambola4d ago

stop projecting
i'm not desperately dong anything, i'm tapping at keys on my keyboard bud

PapaBop4d ago

It's not like kids show with one bad guy? I present to you.. Bobby Kotick

ABizzel14d ago (Edited 4d ago )

DEI was never the problem and it was an ignorant take to begin with.

DEI is why games like Kena Bridge of Spirits, South of Midnight, and Ghost of Tsushima exist.

DEI is why we have a huge resurgence in Japanese, Chineses, and Korean developers producing games like Stellar Blade, Black Myth, and why Nintendo & Sony exist.

DEI is why more and more games have HUGE accessibility options with both Sony and MS fully behind this.

DEI was never a bad thing, the entire purpose of DEI is representation of all people, genders, disabilities, etc…

The problem was people used DEI as a default derogatory term to describe what they believed was forced representation, which allowed colorist, racist, sexist, misogynist, homophobic, and xenophobic fools to run away with the negative DEI narrative.

jambola4d ago

you don't get to decide other people's motivations
sorry to break it to you

ABizzel13d ago (Edited 3d ago )

To each their own, however, nothing you said invalidates why some people take offense to DEI incorrectly.

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Sciurus_vulgaris7d ago

Executives seem to often have an obsession with perpetual revenue growth. There is always a finite amount of consumers for a product regardless of growth. Additionally, over investment is another serious issue in gaming.

Killer2020UK5d ago

The fact that they also rarely have any real expertise in game development compounds things. They'll look at what's been successful elsewhere, lack the knowledge to properly understand why they have been successful and then force a team to 'reproduce' their badly interpreted idea of that success.

We see it so often with sequels to games that were successful too. The team are left well alone, they have a break through hit and all of sudden the money men descend on the IP and completely railroad the dev team's ideas. Usually winds up being 'make the same game but MORE'

LoveSpuds4d ago

This is true throughout all of the corporate and public sector organisations to be honest. CEO's generally move amongst the corporate world without any need to have experience of a particular industry, they simply need to rely on their senior leadership credentials. A CEO of a retail giant will just as easily transition to a CEO role in the energy sector for example.

Not defending CEOs here to be clear, I think it's a huge part of the reason the western world is so fucked up. CEOs don't need to care about the sector they work in, in fact it's better if they don't care if they want to screw everyone to make profits.

GhostScholar5d ago

Companies don’t hire executives to break even. If the goal is breaking even then why start the company in the first place.

Soy5d ago

That's understood; it's getting record profits and expecting to always beat those record profits, and seeing anything less as a total failure. Then they lay people off and raise prices to reach those record profit levels again, just to sate shareholders. It's setting expectations way too high just to spike share prices, then inevitably falling short. It's feeling entitled to being more successful than everyone else. It's the CEOs doing all this to boost their own bonuses.

ABizzel14d ago

Growth benefits the company’s profits and therefore the company’s stock if publicly traded, which pleases the shareholders making them more and more rich, which is why Growth is always at the forefront of the vast majority of any publicly traded company.

More growth = More Money and the people at the top want all the money they can get. I can’t really blame them anyone would love to see their profits go from tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands, to multi-millions it’s almost like a gambling addiction.

But it also goes to show someone how morals can go out the window for a lot of these people, and how amazing some CEOs are when they catch this early and provide a balance solution that takes complete care of their employees across the board while keeping the business sustainable IE: Insomniac Games ALWAYS on the best places to work list. The rest of the industry could learn.

jambola6d ago

honestly, the "real" enemy of gaming, is ourselves
if nobody bought horse armor, shitty dlc would have died almost overnight
if we stood firm and nobody bought games from companies that were bad with layoffs, it would be solved
we're the idiots supporting awful business practices, we are the ones enouraging it

TiredGamer5d ago

I think the reality that we don't want to convince ourselves of is that without the rise of "horse armor" and DLC, game budgets would have essentially stagnated (smaller teams/smaller games), or game prices would have risen much more dramatically than they have. There was an incessant drive for bigger worlds, infinite detail, and hundreds of hours of "gameplay" over the last two decades, that while perhaps a natural evolution of things, needed a suitable funding stream to accomplish.

HyperMoused5d ago

What...CEOs make tens of millions and that doesnt include SLT etc etc...we now have multiple editions of games, in game currency, MT's, battle passes.....and what do we get..worse game than what was coming out 20 years ago....dont drink the cool aid, its this nickel and dime crap that is absolutely leading us to gaming destruction.

senorfartcushion5d ago

This is the worst possible answer to this conundrum. Blaming the masses is blaming the only people who are constantly “told” to buy.

Consumers are the only ones not to blame here. People make their own choices all the time. Disney movies are bombing and DEInis being blamed. Has that been enough to put Disney out of business? No and it never will.

Christopher5d ago

Disagree. Businesses are able to do what they do because people are bad consumers and don't think critically about purchases. Disney got away with doing shit stuff for years and it's just the last year where people got tired of it. It's not like it didn't work for 5 years or so for Disney to do the things they've done. They'll just move onto another way to get people to see movies and it will be just as bad but more profitable until people wake up and realize it.

TiredGamer5d ago

Consumerism drives business behavior. It's not so much "blaming" as it is observing behavior. The point I'm making is that the direction that games have gone are driven by the spending. Consumers are spending on DLC and they are driving the expectation of more glitz and padded out (lengthier) games. If they continue to pay, they will continue to drive that direction until a threshold is reached that forces a change in behavior.

senorfartcushion5d ago

Corporate advertising is the most powerful force on the planet.

This is N4G for god sake, every day there are arguments between people who are Team Xbox and Team PlayStation because they’ve been convinced that having an identity built on paying money to Sony and Microsoft matters more than having one as individual gamers who can play whatever they want.

And THEN we get to the corporate advertising part: to play whatever you want is to sink MORE into the advertising pits, making it so that you can more than one specific product.

jambola5d ago

ah you're right
they were told to buy it, it's clearly impossible to avoid that
if enough people stopped supporting, it would stop
disney not stopping would only be because enough people didn't stop

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victorMaje5d ago

Agreed. I’ve been saying for years, announce you won’t be buying the upcoming game because of the practices of the previous game, then you only have to stick to your guns once, see how quickly things change for the better.

We have to unite in what we shouldn’t purchase.

jambola5d ago

just imagine a world, fifa came out worse, nobody buys the next one until they see proof it's better and stick to it
or games being forced online for single player and nobody buys it
things would change so fast

HyperMoused5d ago

Just like scooby doo, you have shown us the real monsters are us

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Inverno5d ago

Greed and greedy people have and always will be the main issue for everything wrong in the world. Everything is a product to be exploited for monetary gain. Even when there are things that could help progress us along for the sake of making our lives easier that thing must be exploited for monetary gains. Anything that tells you otherwise is propaganda to make you complicit.

coolfool5d ago

I've never thought "DEI" (although the way most people use it doesn't match it's real definition) is the problem with games. Good games have continued to be good when they have a diverse cast, and likewise, bad games have continued to be bad. There isn't a credible example I've seen where a diverse cast has been the direct cause of a game being bad.

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I subscribed to this not knowing about how some of the proceeds go to St. Judes.

Really cool that some of the money goes there.

Even if people don't subscribe to the mag, it might bring people to the charity.

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One of the main charities my wife and I donate to. They help a lot of children and being a parent of 5 children I can’t imagine what those parents go through. I’ll probably get a sub to GI because of St Jude and of course because I love video games.

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