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Red Steel 2 art style makes graphical comparisons to HD consoles irrelevant

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"Many Wii games that actually look great on the system have a huge flaw, always being compared to the HD consoles. This is changing though as many developers are starting to stylize their games in a very unique way.
This stylization is actually making it hard to compare graphics on the Wii and the HD consoles since they are so different. Art director for Red Steel 2 Stephane Bachelet, explains."

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Product3826d ago

Being an artist myself, I really love stylized graphics and wish more developers made games in this style or similar.

Then again, i really wish developers would do more creative stories in games also, but thats a separate issue.

GWAVE3826d ago

It's true that the unique graphics of some Wii games (Zack & Wiki, MadWorld, and No More Heroes, to name a few) makes up for the Wii's lack in graphics, but what about Valkyria Chronicles? It's a "cel shaded" game done on an HD console, so it has the cartoony beauty that these same Wii games have, yet it's done with more detail, better physics, better sound quality, etc.

Graphical comparisons between the Wii and the HD consoles have always been irrelevant, not because the Wii somehow "makes up" for its lack of graphical power with neat cel-shaded graphics, but rather because the Wii does NOT make up for its graphics in any way, shape, or form. You do not play the Wii to look at good graphics. Period.

ChickeyCantor3826d ago

You dont play any game to look at the gfx.

asdr3wsfas3826d ago (Edited 3826d ago )

"Graphical comparisons between the Wii and the HD consoles have always been irrelevant, not because the Wii somehow "makes up" for its lack of graphical power with neat cel-shaded graphics, but rather because the Wii does NOT make up for its graphics in any way, shape, or form."

The immersive controller makes up for the graphics enough that we still prefer our wiis to any other HD console. It draws us into the game more than eye candy ever could. And I have a high end gaming PC, so I know what beautiful graphics look like, along with a 40'' hdtv that a HD console would look amazing on.

But we focused so much on graphics and sound as main channels of realism that we forgot about the controls as essential to the experience. It took Nintendo (inventors of the D-pad) to remind us that high end graphics and sound won't fool you into thinking you're sword fighting when you're really hitting buttons on a controller.

I've been playing sword fighting on wii sports resort all day. And no Soul Calibur I've ever played compares. I've got EA Grand Slam tennis and with the table tennis game of wii sports resort there is no excuse or reason to play a tennis sim on any other console. Or to play any other golf sim besides Tiger Woods PGA tour '10. All use wiimotion plus and all do amazing jobs of mimicing the original sport (I used to play tennis), down to topspin. You could ray trace a tennis game in 7.1 channel audio and it still won't approach the level of realism and immersion these games provide.

ape0073826d ago

this game is shaping up real good

look so unique and refreshing

jackdoe3825d ago (Edited 3825d ago )

I disagree oobob. I never felt immersed in any Wii game yet. Besides that, I play tennis myself. If I want to be immersed in tennis, I'll just pick up my racket and go to the courts. I want to be immersed in an experience that I would not normally do. Maybe once Real Motion Plus is utilized in a game other than Tiger Woods may I feel that immersion.

But until then, no. Still, there are some great games on the Wii that have pretty good art direction which compensates for the lack of visual flair that the PS3 and 360 provide.

asdr3wsfas3825d ago (Edited 3825d ago )

"I disagree oobob. I never felt immersed in any Wii game yet. Besides that, I play tennis myself. If I want to be immersed in tennis, I'll just pick up my racket and go to the courts. I want to be immersed in an experience that I would not normally do. Maybe once Real Motion Plus is utilized in a game other than Tiger Woods may I feel that immersion."

M+ is utilized in wii sports resort and EA Grand Slam Tennis + Virtua Tennis 2009 which are out now and have been for a little bit. You may play tennis but you can't when the court is wet or you can't find another person or it's dark and the parks close or you don't have time to drive there. Look up reviews on amazon - plenty from college tennis players and coaches. This thing gets spin right. Serving isn't the same but since that's always annoying I don't mind it so much ;) I played in a league during elementary and middle school and I could never get killer speed without faulting.

Have you played wii sports resort? Every game in there is incredible. You throttle the wiimote for a speed boost on the jetski and hold it and the nunchuck like the handlebars - it's just like a motorcycle and I drive it like my Yamaha Seca. You can properly spin the bowling ball. The sword fighting tracks your movements 100%. If you can't get lost in that I don't know what will do it for you.

I box at a competitive level currently and I still like motion controlled punchout, even though it's further off from real boxing. You can't always go out there and fight. And when I can't satisfy a late night urge to beat on someone because there's no action at 3am or another concussion is like begging for brain damage it's the best I have. Sure you can't move 360 degrees like in real boxing, but the fact it's on a screen makes that impossible for video games. Slamming down one leg to slip IRL while little mac dodges keeps it close, and ducking is pretty much the same except staying stationary upon recovery is asking to die. It may not map my punches exactly but it does punch when I do (no M+ support). And so I can practice some flurries when no one is able to fight.

Tony P3825d ago

"Maybe once Real Motion Plus is utilized in a game other than Tiger Woods may I feel that immersion. "

It's used in Red Steel 2.

jackdoe3825d ago

I really don't like mini game collections, so I'm not in the mood to purchase Wii Resort.

And yes, I know Red Steel 2 uses it, but it isn't out yet, so how can I be immersed in something that I cannot play?

asdr3wsfas3825d ago (Edited 3825d ago )

Virtua Tennis + Grand Slam tennis both use it dude and they've been out for a few weeks. Rather well too (only played Grand Slam I guess V.T. isn't as good).

Wii Sports Resort is much deeper in terms of control than a collection of minigames. I hated wii sports and this completely surprised me. Don't mistake it for minigames.

Mr.Mister3825d ago

i agree with sidar,if you may like gfx in a game so much then it best you watch a movie then. i hate when game try to be realistic cause most of the time it take fun from the game.( with a few exception like uncharted and a few other) just not my cup of tea. some may disagree at least i know why but hey we live in a free country, right?

N4Flamers3825d ago

I think that the wii is missing an element about video games that makes them transcend board games and become art. I personaly would love to see an hd wii with all the features of the current ones, plus ones that it lacks. You say that the controls immerse you imagine if you werent looking at a cartoon.

asdr3wsfas3825d ago (Edited 3825d ago )

"You say that the controls immerse you imagine if you werent looking at a cartoon."

Of course I would like better graphics. But you are not really considering how unrealistic a tennis game played on controller is if you're suggesting the graphics are what really detract from the experience.

In Grand Slam Tennis with M+ I spin or slice the ball by twisting the wiimote in a swing. Without follow-through the ball bounces off the racket wildly - just like in real life. The timing of my swing helps with cross-court shots just like actual tennis. My brother played GST tonight until his arm and back hurt and he couldn't move. He tried to play sitting down but you can't because follow-through and racquet control are so essential for your shots. He played every Unreal from the original to UT2004 and has recently been into Team Fortress 2 so he's not some sort of casual. And tennis for 3 years (6 here).

In wii sports resort if you point the ir sensor on the wiimote towards the screen and jab you hit the ball with the ***tip*** of your paddle. When I first did this I thought I swung well enough and didn't expect the ball to bounce into the net just like in real ping pong. I figured out what I did on the replay.

That rift between expectation and reality helped me appreciate how disconnected we actually are from most video games. This is a gap between the game and our experience of it that you aren't even willing to consider or address when you suggest cartoony graphics are the problem. My main complaint about Grand Slam Tennis is that lobs and drop shots are button controlled unlike the supreme command you have over typical forehands and backhands. Forget cartoony graphics; I'll play it with stick figures if you fix that.

To suggest that this gap between the game and our experience of it results from the graphics when people are playing baseball and tennis games by hitting a button is absurd. Holding an button to slice or spin is the opposite extreme of the fast-paced physical exertion on screen. It completely ignores the tactile and kinesthetic aspects of tennis to focus entirely on the visual. The contrast between the game and your control of it is so extreme that it prevents you from actually identifying with the action. I prefer a balance between the senses in my games. Poor graphics may hinder video games as art, but motion controls encourage them as play. Isn't that why we buy them?

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raztad3825d ago (Edited 3825d ago )

Makes a lot of sense. Ghostbuster followed the same path, not aiming for photo realism but just some comic like art style. I like it.

ZuperAmazingCooKie3825d ago

OK first of all you can't talk about comparisons to HD consoles when this game hasn't been developed for PS3, 360, PC or Mac.

Second, can you tell me how anyone manages to fool himself into thinking this game wouldn't look better in more capable hardware? Hell, wouldn't it have the capacity to be more interactive, as in better AI, more advanced physics, more interactive bodies, more NPCs on screen, more simulations of gameplay elements to add depth and variety to gameplay, and run at a higher resolution?

Wii fanboys better hope that Natal and Dualshock 4 (or whatever) don't add insult to injury in future comparisons.

MK_Red3825d ago

WTF!? "This stylization is actually making it hard to compare graphics on the Wii and the HD consoles" NO. It doesn't.

One glimpse at stylish HD games like Prince of Persia or Borderlands shows that even "stylized" graphics look better on HD consoles.

JonnyBigBoss3825d ago

I think it really works well, but not for EVERY game. Uncharted does a terrific job of utilizing realistic graphics to create a real environment. Same with many other top titles. If every game just had artistic graphics then it wouldn't be appreciated at all, so in that sense I disagree with the article.

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