Big news. The IBM Technology Alliance has announced its 28nm process and the first chips should be rolling off the lines by 2010 with ARM systems-on-a-chip (SoC) among the first. Are you excited? Yes? No? At the very least you should be impressed.
28 nm doesn't really impress me. 32 vs 28. There's going to be very, very small differences in heat output and potential clock so it's not really the "future" of processors. And Intel has had 32 nm processors for a couple months now with an expected release in [November?]. So if this is the precursor to the PS3 Slim we probably won't see one of these 28 nm CPU's in a PS3 til early to mid 2010.
true but let me ask you this. do you think this is the reason for the price drop delay because it kinda make sense you know what I'm saying
Possibly. The main reason for the price drop delay is because currently, Sony is selling the PS3's for cheaper than they can produce them due to the cost of the Cell CPU and Blu-Ray laser diodes. Even after the process change, the PS3's are still going to be fairly expensive. If Sony drops the price further it could really hurt them financially. (I'm basing this off of iSupply's findings)
"28 nm doesn't really impress me. 32 vs 28. There's going to be very, very small differences in heat output and potential clock so it's not really the "future" of processors." You sure about that? There's a 13% difference between the sizes, that means it's not unrealistic to expect 13% better efficiency and, more importantly, 13% better yields during production, which leads to cheaper processors. The jump doesn't sound as big as it was from 45 to 32, but it's still quite a large jump when you consider that you're working with extremely small measurements.
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I have never commented on this guy, actually I don't comment very much. However, HHG has the IQ of an (adult toy)... I have not read about any developers demanding a price drop from the PS3.. I have heard Bobby Krackhead request one, but none other. Ya know, the ps3 is the most expensive console, but it also generates the most revenue for the top world wide publishers... WHOA! WHAT IS THAT YOU SAY? Ya you heard me.. I said it!!! HHG I think you need to leave 'journalism' and go to bible school. EDIT: Why do you (HHG) or anyone else think there is a delay in the PS3 price drop ? I mean seriously. Sony has already stated that they are selling the unit at the price that is appropriate for their COMPANY not the average/hardcore gamer. IMO if Sony drops the price it wont be till sometime 2010..
45nm Cells right? If it drops to 28nm, that would be a HUGE difference. Maybe even enough to warrant a $100 price cut. I remember the PS3 was only $50 from breaking even with the PS3 last year, by now, the production costs should have dropped enough to near even. If they replace the Cell with 28nm chips, it could definitely be enough for a price cut. But that's just me guessing.
I meant to say, "Sony was only $50 from breaking even..."
@HHG: Why must you talk like that? People don't take you as seriously when you try and talk all gangster. If you want to be taken seriously, the first thing you need to do is learn to talk like an educated person. Then go to journalism school so you can learn how to appropriately research your articles before writing and posting them. Not trying to be offensive, just being honest. The reason people hate on you so much is because you seem to write articles that are only about your own opinion, instead of doing good research on the subject and coming up with a less biased and self indulged article.
If HHG was like anyone else then he/his site wouldnt be popular. He is never gonna talk or behave like a normal journalist, but if he did then he would never had the success he has now, wether you like it or not.
Being well known doesn't equate to "success". He's well known for all the wrong reasons, and thus it is not success, but failure. And I'm not talking about being like everyone else, just doing things in a proper and educated manner.
If there IS a pricedrop soon,it won't be any more than the range of £50-£75.
hah, you wish, itl be more likely the price of a large pizza, that will drop off the ps3.
Its gonna get really interesting when we hit the 1nm :) Cause then we will be only one step away from pico technology. And it will start sounding a whole lot more corny from there on :P At least Nano sounds cool. Pico, femto, atto, etch dont sound cool.
Thing is, there won't be much use for pico and lower measurements. 1nm is only roughly 10 atoms wide. You can't build things any smaller than the structure of atoms can support, anything smaller than an atom is merely energy. So that's about as far as it can go. Working with carbon nanotubes and exotic man made atomic structures/materials for advanced chips. Such as photonic and quantum computing chips. Barring some major scientific discovery that finds we can manipulate a certain type of energy to make a smaller type of atom, then were getting pretty close to as small as we are ever going to make devices. About another 6-9 years and we should be down to the smallest we can go and have a pretty good handle on it.
So, I really don't under stand. Once we get down to a 1 nm process, that's as far as we can physically go? Or will it force Intel and IBM to completely revolutionize the microprocessor industry?
You know what atoms are right? They are what make up all matter. 1nm is only 10 atoms wide. Thus you can't really go any smaller, because there's barely any atoms left. http://en.wikipedia.org/wik... So when we get to that point, the industry will have to transition to figuring out how to make faster processors, instead of just die shrinks and architecture revisions. Well have to move to using light (photonics) instead of electricity inside our chips. And possible quantum dots, but that ones even further away.
Sounds awesomely high-tech.
This blog isn't interesting or news worthy.
shhhhht, he reads the comments on this site, you might hurt his feelings :P
oh word dog you calling me a douche you know what let me say this man watch what you say to people because god is always watching and the harm you do to me or others will come back to haunt you or someone close to you. say something nice or don't say anything at all remember that
Fanboy arguments are bad enough, don't bring God into this. This is a gaming site, not a religious site.
HHG, this is the internet man, its worse then the streets, you should know. When you get sticked in the streets you dont start about god either. In the streets, a man is worth as much as his homey, but on the internet, everybody is worth trash. all you can do is accept it, i get insulted all the time on the web, they loath my pizzaface.
Can't help but laugh at HHG now... You're pretty much threatening a guy that called you a douche with punishment from above. That's not very christian of you.
Wow, really? So it will come back to haunt others? Your God sounds like a real asshole.
lol @ HHG threatening people with Jesus hate. That made my day.
I can understand when religious people invoke their religous beliefs on topics relating to world politics, morals, family life, etc. But to bring that stuff up here is kinda pointless. Some of the guys that comment here has no purpose other than to flame and spew hate (not saying you did that ninji). It happens to everyone that's a public figure of any sort. I respect when any game critic takes time to engage in a convo with someone but if you try to debate with someone that's insulted you (especially by using religion), it's a waste of time. Bottom line HHG is to not respond to any topic/comment you perceive to be insulting on any site like this. It's a battle you can't win.
Lol at nerds who had a hard time in school and couldn't get laid, so now there must be no God!
"Lol at nerds who had a hard time in school and couldn't get laid, so now there must be no God!" Wtf, just because the posters don't believe in "god" shouldn't effect you they never attacked religion just hiphopgamer for acting like a tool who knows "god's" will.
@DaTruth: No, it's just that we merely developed rational and logical thinking by the time we were teens. While you spent your time not learning a damn thing worth knowing since you were focused on acting gangsta and trying to be with "da fine ladies".
They need to fix the filter so they can put this bullshit back in its place.
well it works like that in real life, karma is a b*tch, but that rule dont apply on the web, because technically, all you can do is swear......., that aint killing nobody.
Let's keep it on track guys. Religion has no place in a gaming forum, unless it is Halo Church.
Amen brother, lets hail the almighty master chief!
or the great GOD of war
John Kerry is in here ? *hides*
thats all you hear, just bring the games and the sales will come. i think that sony should wait until after god of war releases to price drop
Price drop around God of war 3 or Gran turismo 5, GT5 wouldn't do *huge* things in the US, since that is the way the Gran turismo franchise is over there, the majority of GT's sales come from europe.
in uk, if £249 for was for PS3, i think it would grab alot of people attention.
Sorry, but if HHG wants to be taken at all seriously, he needs to brush up on his actual writing skills. I'm not getting picky about the occasional typo, but some of these sentences are just so muddled and impossible to understand, they really reflect a lack of clarity of thought. "For a while now gamers, game developers, and game publishers has been screaming at Sony for a price drop, even though the cut has been cut already by $200 the combination of this economy and mass market appeal has worked against the Playstation 3." What? And: "It means lower power consumption, higher potential frequencies and, of course, more transistors, all good stuff." Yes, a reduction in process size can mean all these things, but they are largely irrelevant for the PS3. What's most important to PS3 is yield per wafer; the more chips per wafer, the lower the unit cost can be. A lower power consumption could marginally improve the overall system cost as well. However, Sony certainly cannot add more transistors into the current Cell, nor change the operating frequency, as all PS3s must perform the same.
just when i thought there would be a week without HHG and ruined it with his [email protected] articles . e pendu aki no ta compronde NOBODY LIKES YOU i'll tell you if it wasn't for those c0ck sucking fanboys of his no one would approve his sh!t my god why can't HHG leave this kinda work to the pros
i understand you wanna be hiphop but damn tone it down. All the slang and colored do rags are not neccasary, just be yourself. Your setting us back with the coonery.
Whappin' wit dem deh chip yeilds nah man! You haf fe bring dem tings up! We haf fe use dem nano carbon tubes dem and ting. De bombaclat nm dem haf fe come down a likkle Jah knows! Don't write like you talk!
as the chip gets smaller does the overall processing power stay the same or deminish.
As they reduce transistor size it allows more to be crammed into the same amount of space. Transistors back in the early days were the size of a speaker and over 40 years, now we can cram over a billion transistors into the a 1" square. My graphics card has two GPU's each with 1.4B transistors. Smaller = Cooler = Faster = Better.
Please go back to school, Mr.Hiphop. You seriously give African Americans a bad image. It's people like you that give rise to the stereotype that all black people are uneducated gangsters. Do it for your people. If not, then do it for your beloved God you seem to always mention.
Seeing that you are really representing Caucasian Americans poorly yourself. It's people like you that give rise to the stereotype that all white people want to be uneducated gangsters. Do it for your people. (*NOTE, This is not my opinion or reasoning, just a mirrored statement: after all, was it not someone of lowly status that said "turnabout is fair play?") :)
There is a big time separation from demonstrating a shrink process to developing a stable fabrication process to actually fabricating production quantities. There are several months between each stage. Intel was the first to demonstrate a stable 32nm process just early this year: http://www.engadget.com/200... Feb 10th 2009 Intel demos first-ever 32nm processors And they don't project having any CPU's that use 32nm until late this year. Every time the process scaling goes down, it usually means the construction of a new $3 Billion to $4 Billion fabrication plant: http://www.bit-tech.net/new... Intel unveils 32nm process technology 10th February 2009 The company plans to spend a whopping $7 billion US over the next two years on building the four 32nm fabrication plants, creating 7,000 high-skill jobs in the US. One is already up and running in Oregon, where another plant is scheduled to be running by the end of 2009. Meanwhile, two further fabs will be built in Arizona and New Mexico in 2010. Demonstration 32nm Cell processors won't show until early next year and they won't be going into PS3's any time soon after. It will be more like the middle of 2010 that 32nm Cell will show up in whatever SKU PS3 there is by then. Demonstration 28nm processors aren't going to show up until mid-2010.
Die shrinks don't require a whole new plant, just new equipment, mainly the lithography machines. And only every second die shrink, because after moving to a new node, you can then take the node down to a half node to do another die shrink without needed to revamp your tools much. 16nm gates/memory have already been created and tested by some companies. And 22nm is already well on it's way to market. So 32 is going to be whipped up pretty quick. http://en.wikipedia.org/wik... There's a list on the right showing the node size roadmap. There's interesting news on all of them. We have a pretty clear road to reaching the limit, and it's not too far off :P
HHG show is da bomb! I LOVE it! who needs another generic nerdfest show about a hobby that the vast majority now inbibe in! keep giving us new news hiphop! even if its rumurs or speculation, I have the mentality to filter out what is pertanant to my entertainment! Unlike others in these forums! I wont watch or listen to another boring nerdfest gaming blog- rss- podcast- again! waste of time IMO!
what's up with all the HHG hate? HHG, dont worry about it. the more haters you get the more successful you become.
He has haters because he propagates an African American stereotype. He thinks he's a big-time journalist when really half of his articles are biased fanboy garbage.
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