Last weekend, it was reported that The Conduit was off to what most would consider a slow start in Europe. With the latest UK charts comes another sales update, although there still isn't any wonderful news to report.
wow, it dropped off quick, i still think its a good game, dunno if it deserves the best sales but its getting like nothing right now
was it ever any surprise? no,at least, I'm not surprised and I think many others aren't too
The Conduit just wasn't really for me. The controls were amazing, but it didn't feel very polished. Like, I didn't want to play it, which is a bit of a shame since they absolutely nailed the controls. It's a shame it's not selling well though, since many companies are going to be basing their approach on sales of The Conduit, a game that wasn't received fantastically by critics.
I don't know anybody except one of the game store employee's near my house who has the game(I don't know too many wii owners to be honest)....from what he says the controls are spot on, he said the controls "feel" better than Halo. Its a shame the wii fanbase basicly ignores anything that doesn't have Mario or fitness theme in it. 3rd party Dev's are really going to think long and hard before considering the wii when looking to bring a big budget "hardcore" title to the platform...even with a huge install base. JOY
JokesOnYou if you have a Wii then you are part of the problem if you don't have a Wii then why are you even here? What is a real shame is HD gamers don't care about good controls and if it is on the Wii it seems they just try their best not to play games on it from what I see. Well who knows what will happen this is a slow roll kind of thing. As soon as the internet forgets about the game things should pick back up. Another thing is you never see 3rd parties talk about the good games on the Wii they always talk about some cooking game or some thing. The people here do the same. HVS should keep doing what they are doing. They have shown they are better at tech and actualy game play design now they just need some graphical style which is very possible with these guys.
"JokesOnYou if you have a Wii then you are part of the problem if you don't have a Wii then why are you even here?" -huh?, No I do not personaly own a wii, I do know a few family members who own one and a couple of neighbors thats it, I doubt any of them are the type who even knows about this game. I don't know what your problem is with my post. Its not like I'm bashing the wii or something, on the contrary because I said from what I heard the game is actually very good as far as the controls go, which I would assume everything else is relatively good too which means on any other platform it would have done much better for an exclusive. So I'm just pointing out whats becoming more and more evident that good 3rd party games just don't interest the wii crowd which hurts the potential of future 3rd party titles of similiar variety coming to the wii. I'm not here blasting the wii but as long as theres a comments section I think its appropriate to discuss the subject in a rational manner and thats WHY I'm here. lol JOY
JokesOnYou you don't get what I'm saying. You are not even telling people about the game and then on top of that you are not going to buy the game for what ever reason. You know that is part of the problem. Also the game mags don't want to actually be about gaming. They need HD and CGI to fill those games. Back when I was gaming you would tell any one even remotely interested in video games about every thing good on the system. The they decide what they want. Gaming really is backwards right now that is all. The fans are actually hurting the cause. It's going to be funny when EA and activision are the only pubs left. Good game!
scissor_runner, oh OK I see what you're getting at but I don't own a wii, simply because the games like Zelda, Metroid, and Conduit that I would actually like to play are few and far between, also I own a very expensive HDTV, I wish nintendo had made wii HD capable so I feel like I'm getting the most out of my setup, the bottom line is the wii doesn't offer what I want in a console, sure there are a few games I'd like to play but I'm not going to buy it knowing I won't play it very often. I do think as a gamer you should tell folks about the good stuff any console offers....but as I said I don't know too many wii owners and the few I do, I'm sure since they are mostly family members like my Aunts and younger cousins, I already know their not interested and I'm not the type to tell random people about games unless theres a general discussion related to the conversation going on, most of my friends aren't even remotely interested in the wii so nothing really to tell them about, however at work people know I'm a huge game fan and I give them honest game advise all the time. JOY
This game is just the most recent example of Wii games directed at the hardcore gamer that have met with mediocre or worse sales. Obviously Wii owners don't care. They want some more Cooking Mama, Mario spinoff and more Ravin Rabbids. This does not bode well for the long term sustainability of the Wii console. Nintendo had better be making some money of the hardware, because if there's no software sales it's a lost cause. Oh well. At least Nintendo has the DS, which is where they make the bulk of their money anyway.
What is even worst is if other developers are watching then why would they give up? Clearly the controls worked and the biggest complaint is the style being too generic. If you are a developer and you can not do better than generic then maybe you shouldn't be making console games. Another thing is the developer see this and it proves to them that they should even bother with the motion controls on the HD console side for hardcore gaming the HD crowd is totally fine with what they have which is inferior control wise. The console crowd is getting a little thin. Their seems to be only these casual gamers around right now. You can then break that down to graphic whores, collectors, fanboys, tech guys, people want a story more than a game. If I wasn't sure I would say hollywood has beat gaming and made gaming more like hollywood than even PC gaming.
Only chance for Nintendo to get back some of the lost real gamer audience is by putting out a Wii HD ASAP with some great support. Thats the only way. But then again, the gamers have said goodbye to Nintendo overall and many hate their current choice for the nongamer that much that they won't buy a Nintendo console again. Maybe there is only one route for Nintendo now. Nongamers all the way.
"many hate their current choice for the nongamer that much that they won't buy a Nintendo console again. " While there are actuall good games from third party developers... yeah makes sense......../
I count only a few, that is House of the Death: Overkill and Madworld. And then yet again, they didn't sell. Name me those: AAA 3rd party games that have high review scores on Metacritic and sell well. Sell well as in more then a Million and stop calling the obvious COD that sold on its name alone and yet again 1 mln. on a 50 to 60 mln. userbase isn't still that great.
AAA? who ever said AAA? I said good games. Now AAA is only a legit way to say a game is playable? And there is much more than those 2 titles you mentioned, i don't need to mention the others, you aren't looking good enough. Im not even talking about sales, and sales prove jack about quality of a games. Seriously think for a second, you are ignoring good games because: 1: you say Nintendo abandoned you...while there also third party developers out there. 2: Because games aren't selling well? That doesn't even make sense at all, considering YOU ARENT BUYING THEM. 3: It must be triple A. your hate for Nintendo must be huge, but the reason developers suffer on the Wii is also simple because the likes of you ignore the sh/t out of those games. While in facts you can actually enjoy them. Shove those ratings and sales up your ...you know what you decide what hole, Sales and Ratings mean nothing to a person when he is actually enjoying a game.
Bionic Commando belly flopped, I guess that means those type of games don't sell on HD systems? And since when was Conduit AAA? or Madworld or Overkill? Bottomline is, if the big franchises were on Wii they'd sell, cheap cash in, low effort ports don't. Same could be said for the HD consoles, if its not a big budget title, it belly flops on the market. Same goes for Wii, PS2, SNES, flops on Wii don't matter anymore than flops on other systems..except companies that flop on Wii don't go the way of the dinosaur.
Dude, the Wii is a fail for a real gamer, period. I own one, but it has more use softmodded to emulate all my old consoles then playing Wii games. Its one big pile of shovelware. Wii - 55 games on or above 8 out of 10 PS3 - 109 games on or above 8 out of 10 (they released at the same time) 360 - 155 games on or above 8 out of 10 (metacritic) And most on the Wii above 8 out of 10 are the Mario's, Zelda's, RE4/Pikmin/Punch-Out whatever allmost identical rehashed old shiat. Thats pathetic. @ Sidar Its not because of 3rd party. Its because of Nintendo's choice to release a machine that can only do 480p with supercharged Gamecube hardware. Developers have moved to do more with their games that demand more horsepower. Gameplay is affected by the shortcomings of the Wii. And its shows in the number of quality games as pointed out above.
" Its not because of 3rd party. Its because of Nintendo's choice to release a machine that can only do 480p with supercharged Gamecube hardware" Exactly, you are ignoring Third party games due the fact Nintendo didn't meet up with your demands. But obviously you don't understand what im trying to say here.
TheMART at Xboxkings WOW you own one and for some reason you are not part of the problem? How is that. I have to ask you did you buy this game? If you did not buy it then why are you complaining about the rest of the Wii fanbase when you are part of it? Your own lack of support causes this yet this is probably your point. You want your FPS games on the HD system right so you will not support any thing on the Wii. Or better yet you just don't have the money to buy it. I'm betting you also feel it is too inferior for you to play also? Really Did you think it was going to be ok to say you own a Wii and then try and put down the fan base. There are at least 1-2 million Wii hardcore fans based on the sales of past games yet guys exactly like you are the reason for low sales. You know this is good though. It's going to make developers push to get new gamers to play rather than the ones that love the tired stuff on the HD consoles.
Xmart when you gonna stop letting the marketing of microsoft or sony anal rape you? "Hardcore" gamers are just wannabe pc gamers. period. Most can't afford the type of machine that will give them the kind of graphics that would really amaze them, so they buy an hd console to compensate because marketing tells them so. If the hd consoles marketing really is brainwashing you so bad that you think a hd console is the best in gaming for graphics or physics, you need a reality check. I'd rater play unreal 2004 or quake 3 on high settings than play halo 3 or killzone 2, anyday. Real "hardcore" gamers would agree with me. hardcore hd console owners like you need to stop thinking that a mature themed, adult oriented game is the only type of game that is good. Honestly if you saw crysis or COD or Bioshock, etc. on a high end pc, you would stop thinking how great the hd consoles are. Unless that is you are ignorant, because that is the only way you could think otherwise. Don't even get me started on the mods you can achieve on a pc.
@ Scissor & Product Hahaha I wouldn't have the money to buy this game or a good PC rig? Ah yeah... Thats why I bought a PS3, a Wii and I own 2 x a XBOX 360 in setup to play co-op without split screen when I have someone over, a GHWT complete set, more hardware and tons of games, right? And Scissor, mostly I won't buy a game that has an average rating of 6.9 or 7.0 at Metacritic (ATM the site is down but I saw the score just recently). But I did buy and support House of the Death: Overkill and Madworld among other hardcore games for the Wii. And product, no I don't mean only that hardcore games with guns and gore. I just mean good rated games overall. Look back on my post that points out the number of games on the Wii with 8 and above and on the PS3. Same time on the market, PS3 got double the amount of games that scored above an 8. If you look at the other end of the list on Metacritic you see that the Wii has around 85 games below a 5 out of 10 and the PS3 got 25 or so, being the same time on the Market. And then just check in the top of the Wii games how much is rehashed, old IP stuff... 1 Super Mario Galaxy 2007 97 2 Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess, The 2006 95 3 World of Goo 2008 94 4 Super Smash Bros. Brawl 2008 93 5 Rock Band 2 2008 92 6 Resident Evil 4 Wii Edition 2007 91 7 Okami 2008 90 8 Metroid Prime 3: Corruption 2007 90 9 Tiger Woods PGA Tour 10 2009 88 10 Little King's Story 2009 87 11 Zack & Wiki: Quest for Barbaros' Treasure 2007 87 12 Boom Blox Bash Party 2009 87 13 Bomberman Blast 2008 86 14 Punch-Out!! 2009 86 15 Guitar Hero World Tour 2008 86 16 Guitar Hero III: Legends of Rock 2007 86 17 Tetris Party 2008 86 18 MaBoShi: The Three Shape Arcade 2008 85 19 Super Paper Mario 2007 85 20 Guitar Hero: Metallica 2009 85 21 Boom Blox 2008 85 22 Pro Evolution Soccer 2009 2009 84 23 New Play Control! Pikmin 2 2009 84 24 Swords & Soldiers 2009 84 25 No More Heroes 2008 83 26 MLB Power Pros 2007 83 27 Mega Man 9 2008 83 28 WarioWare: Smooth Moves 2007 83 29 Bully: Scholarship Edition 2008 83 30 Pro Evolution Soccer 2008 2008 83 31 Call of Duty: World at War 2008 83 32 Strong Bad's Cool Game for Attractive People Episode 5: 8-Bit is Enough 2008 83 33 Pinball Hall of Fame: The Williams Collection 2008 82 34 Strong Bad's Cool Game for Attractive People Episode 2: Strong Badia the Free 2008 82 35 Mario Kart Wii 2008 82 Allmost no new great scoring IP's!
When does scores actually matter to the real gamer? I could care less about scores, if the game looks to be what im looking for, guess what I buy it. Rehash or not, look at how diverse the genres are on Wii. Go look at the list for the hd consoles are you'll understand why playing the same games on a pc would make more sense, graphics, physics, control. Then again most hd games are boring imo and none traditional. I don't know maybe you are younger than me, but graphics don't matter, I get just as much fun out of Mario Kart as I would with CoD.
So TheMART at Xboxkings do you really let game ratings keep you from buying games? Really? WOW... So what did you think of madworld? Was it a 6 hour game to you and why did you not get NMH it did ok rating wise? Also if you only buy higher rated games then why did you not buy metroid? Oh yeah I forgot you don't like rehashes... so for you to buy metroid it has to be called COD: space pirate warfare. If you do have metroid then that along would have made you buy the conduit sense we all wanted metroid multiplayer. Yet I'm betting you don't have any of the games on that list. Gaming to me is more about the experience and that really can not be rated. The problem with a review is people like me don't think a review does a game justice because gamers all have different tastes. This is one thing the HD guys don't understand right now...
The pity is that the press hyped the title that much from the start , and that yes it will be used as an example , when quite frankly it didnt deserve good sales . It always seems like a potential turd to me because , while featuring many fps's multiplayer features , a good wii 3d engine and lots of multiplayer , the game is damn too generic . The art and design doesnt stand out , it looks like a crossbreed of fear or any usual fps . it got no edge and pull beyond the whole "oh my god the wii can do that too" kind of hype . Second biggest problem , said graphics . When you build it up so much , people will expect to be astonished , and no they werent . It "looks great ....for a wii game" . The for the wii game is a dead sentence , it should looks great period , and it doesnt break the mold for anyone used to pc/360/ps3 fps in anyway . It's like expecting people to get wowed by the mini-cooper's powerhorse after they drove a ferrari for a couple years . And finally the campaign itself isnt worth much neither , your pretty standard mileage , nothing bad but nothing great . It's a solid effort , but dont build hype on a feature the game's platform could never compete with to begin . Especially when you dont even bother having a unique design .
" And finally the campaign itself isnt worth much neither , your pretty standard mileage , nothing bad but nothing great . " yeah cause every successful company today started out amazing...=/... As a matter of fact HVS has made some games in the past people enjoyed very much. As for the Conduit it is a great effort, especially when its received pretty decent. Ya know what with all the games they have made in the past they did more than decent this time around. "It's a solid effort , but dont build hype on a feature the game's platform could never compete with to begin . " Point is the Wii can do them, that much is proven. Its output power is something different.
Baka was spot on, and what you said made absolutely no sense whatsoever. He never once gave out about the developers. How did you get from " And finally the campaign itself isnt worth much neither , your pretty standard mileage , nothing bad but nothing great " to "yeah cause every successful company today started out amazing...=/... As a matter of fact HVS has made some games in the past people enjoyed very much. " The whole point is the wii can't do the graphics of the ps3/360, that much is proven.
Yeah Baka pretty much hit the nail on the head. Although I didn't really notice how generic the art direction was while I was in-game. What irked me the most were the slow-downs and the uninteresting online.
"he whole point is the wii can't do the graphics of the ps3/360, that much is proven." No one is defending it can, nor is HVS denying they can't get the quality of those two consoles. It has been stated many times. However the use of Tech is proven to work on the Wii, but like i said the output power is something different. Normal maps? Yes, same quality as the Ps3/360 No. No one is denying this. As for the campaign i thought he said company, that one is my bad.
heroicjanitor if sidar is leaping to defend the Wii then what are you doing? If people are not impressed about the story and the graphics then cool. Yet tell me some one that even knows the story? Tell me some one who set up their control config and tried to survive online. At best your trolling and it seems more likely to me that the EU is more about ads and review scores rather than playing the game. Maybe they will prove me wrong maybe not? That is understandable and because of that I'd expect more people to try this game a little later the same way they did with red steel yet this one will be fun. The game still did pretty well for a game that the press did not even give a chance. Madworld got way better press but no one got it but this one was pretty much dumped on and it did better than most games like it on the Wii. What is also funny is if you only problem was generic graphics then look at this game as a litmus test, the grinder is coming and I'm guessing the conduit two. The engine obviously has some thing that retro needs to put their games over the top and from what I'm hearing they have tweaked the engine even more. This was a good game and hey if EU doesn't buy it then cool. People with the game still support it and we got what we wanted. It is sort of like getting the girl you wanted and some loser running up to you to tell you that her movie did not sell LOL or some thing. Either way if you don't want generic graphics then what do you want? How could the story be better? Seriously the online is fine... I don't use gamer tags or some thing like it on the PC either. It is also my understanding the the EU loves games from japan more also,... well the console market does.
"It always seems like a potential turd to me because , while featuring many fps's multiplayer features , a good wii 3d engine and lots of multiplayer , the game is damn too generic . The art and design doesnt stand out , it looks like a crossbreed of fear or any usual fps . it got no edge and pull beyond the whole "oh my god the wii can do that too" kind of hype." Every FPS since Quake has been the same. Really, here's the game: pistol some sort of melee machine gun of sorts shotgun of sorts plasma rifle railgun sniper rifle grenade launcher rocket launcher Then Tribes added vehicles. Welcome to every FPS ever. The fact you said it looks like a crossbreed of Fear or "any usual FPS" betrays just how generic the genre is! You think the Unreal engire is that new or innovative? Unreal, Unreal Tournament, UT2003, and UT2004 were the same basic games (I played them all constantly)! Now you put Gears of War on top of that and it's somehow unique? "Second biggest problem , said graphics . When you build it up so much , people will expect to be astonished , and no they werent . It "looks great ....for a wii game" . The for the wii game is a dead sentence , it should looks great period , and it doesnt break the mold for anyone used to pc/360/ps3 fps in anyway ." Yeah it does, I'm used to PC and I love this game. If you really bought this argument you would never play FPS games on 360 or PS3 cause the PC version is superior in every way. Dual analog sucks and even games like Halo 3 run at 640p natively without antialiasing. I would laugh if I saw anyone playing a PC FPS in that resolution. It's not even baby HD and lacks anti-aliasing but STILL can't get the PC sweet spot of 70fps. My graphics card gets what, 8x AA? Better than true 1080p resolution? I can trade some of that for 60-70fps? Yet you're coming in here ragging on the wii compared to other consoles when those other consoles can't even approach that? My PC runs games so much higher res than an xbox360 that if you really believed this argument you'd never touch any console again. "It's like expecting people to get wowed by the mini-cooper's powerhorse after they drove a ferrari for a couple years ." The difference would be that the mini-cooper would have power steering and the ferrari doesn't, and the ferrari is also missing a tire and kinda circles around that side when you're going straight. The Conduit plays amazingly well. Dual analog is a joke for controlling FPS games. Hence why Halo has "aim assist." "And finally the campaign itself isnt worth much neither , your pretty standard mileage , nothing bad but nothing great ." Did you listen to the radio and find the hidden messages? They're more than half the story. There's no way the story is close to any other FPS if you actually looked. "It's a solid effort , but dont build hype on a feature the game's platform could never compete with to begin . Especially when you dont even bother having a unique design ." No FPS really is that unique since quake. Don't you ever play them? Xbox 360 and ps3 can't compete with PC fps games in either controls or graphics...but I guess you could ignore that. Then only apply your argument to the wii. And you'd have a point.
@ oobob post Im going to copy paste that post right there for every argument a hd console user has against the Wii. For a pc user as myself as well i feel you in every aspect you just said. I have a feeling most hd console users don't play pc games, and or don't play pc games on a great machine.
It really is difficult to read all of that but the pc is better argument doesn't apply since consoles are different in nature, and I'm sure you know that too. Consoles are played in comfort in a living room so you aren't hunched over a monitor. The wii should be competing with the 360 and ps3 the pc is a non-issue since it is different. Even ignoring that Killzone's graphics and particle effects are up with the best pc has to offer.
to look better than the 480p resolution is capable of is a retard. Unfortunately, many of those retards actually reviewed the game and are influencing people who were on the bubble about buying The Conduit. What's even worse, it seems some of these sites are putting out these cruddy reviews simply because they were offended that anyone would dare make a good looking game that fully accentuates the Wii's true and undeniable advantage over the HD consoles. The controls. What many don't realize is that we're in the process of shooting ourselves in the foot right now as gamers. The Conduit wasn't the best game ever, but it's more than solid, and above average. Anyone who played the full game, online multiplayer, personalized their controls, and didn't go into it with a bad attitude knows that. The major outrage as far as I'm concerned is that these people aren't being called out enough for reviewing a game while so obviously not playing it enough to have such negative and damning opinions as we've seen. It's shameful.
Are the people who have other consoles,(with shooters that are just much better online, gameplay-wise, story-wise, and obviously graphic-wise), which most reviewers do. I love triers so hvs are my new favourite wii developers but I feel like their game was limited by the wiis older technology so they spent most of their time looking for graphics and the art style and story suffered for it. The controls are the main feature every wii developer should take from the game and implement in their games.
What was so much better about the story in Halo 3, or Killzone 2 than that of The Conduit? So much better that these sites are justified giving the game 4,5,and 6 out of 10? Why didn't these same sites do this same thing to Medal of Honor: Heroes 2, which was a far lesser effort, and less fun? By the way, just for the record, I'm not the one who gave you a disagree.
"Are the people who have other consoles,(with shooters that are just much better online, gameplay-wise, story-wise, and obviously graphic-wise), which most reviewers do." The Conduit is one of my favorite FPS games ever and I play them on pc. With a quad core processor, 2gb ram, and Radeon 4780, the latter costing more than a PS3. It has 1gb vram and dual core GPU on one card. Yet I still think the Conduit blows every ps/360 FPS out of the water for controls alone. The story in the Conduit is amazing. You find out it from the radio and hidden messages, which most people don't bother looking for. There are elements never revealed in the normal game that you find out in this manner which are significant and quite well thought out. They said this is how the story would be presented and everyone ignored it. And like Resident Evil has that great a story. Evil pharm company makes bioweapon zombies...yawn. Yeah, real original. The Conduit actually has plot twists you'd never expect. Why did that specific landmark get attacked by the terrorists? Who is Adams and how long has he been around? Why is he here and what other events outside of the game is he responsible for? What year does the story take place and how do the messages on the wall relate to this? If you don't know the answers you've missed over half the story of the Conduit because you didn't go searching for the hidden messages or bother to listen to the radio. You know there are coded messages in the Conduit told over the radio? With letter to digit substitution followed by a Caesar cipher? How many people bothered to figure that out despite the fact one broadcaster directly tells you that someone hijacked their frequency and transmitted a coded message? Find me a reviewer that talks about the radio at all, let alone the coded messages. The fact none of them mention this is like a candid admission that they never really explored the game. Gameplay wise it kills other consoles. Us PC fps players hate the n00bsticks. You can't aim at all with them. That's why they have aim assist in Halo and other games. The Conduit has amazing controls that no other console FPS even approach in customization. You can set the *dead zone* and sensitivity for turning, speed, and even shaking the wiimote or nunchuck. The HUD can be completely customized and transparency set. Find me another console game that comes close to this. I don't play PS/360 because of the n00bsticks, and the Conduit rivals the fun of quake 3 for me. This is telling. And did anyone try playing the Conduit on severe? The enemies jump between cover and shoot while running across. If you take cover and they can't see you, they throw a grenade to blow you up or out. If you take cover for extended periods, they charge their weapons and will headshot you with them if you're too predictable popping up. The AI is insane and yet we have people saying the game is too short or easy because they didn't play on the hardest difficulty - despite HVS saying the AI improves as you crank it up. Is someone really hardcore if they don't play these games on the highest difficulty? Graphics? My video card destroys those other consoles. Moot point considering that the same argument applies to PC vs PS/360, yet no one ever makes it in that context. Halo runs in 640p, which is a joke for a PC FPS game. Without antialiasing. Who cares about 64 bit lighting if they don't have the pixels to show it? (the lighting required 2 framebuffers to show in 64 bit and was why they didn't include antialiasing) The Conduit has some amazing controls and is an incredibly fun game. The story and gameplay are also good, but only the controls and fun factor count for real FPS players who care primarily about multiplayer gameplay. This is why people still play Quake!
" You find out it from the radio and hidden messages, which most people don't bother looking for" I wonder how many people ignored it. edit: O and bubble up =)
I agree with everything you've said. Well written. Edit: Also, he's so right about the story. I thnk many people just took what many of these crappy reviews said and just ran with it. "oh, oh generic, yeah that's what it is" "Weak story, yeah, the story is pretty weak" Listening to the radio and finding the hidden messages, its not as thin a story as everyone says..but who cares?! its a video game, since when did video games have oscar award winning screen plays? And do NOT say MGS4 has a deep story, or RE, or Gears of War?! LOL! That story and main character is the figurehead for "generic" but where are the docked points for that? Gaming PC's have ALWAYS blew consoles out of the water when it comes to graphics, this is common knowledge, how come HD consoles aren't compared to these superior specs? But Wii is compared to HD system specs? It is getting quite sad, the state of affairs in the gaming media..and forums. They've become sheep, they've become one dimensional, and sadly..bought off.The best decision I made was ignoring the reviews of The Conduit. I even E-mailed Eric Nofsinger to ignore the biased reviews. Is the game the best fps ever created? no. but it does revolutionize Console FPS control. Every Wii FPS that is released from now on better have this option included. If you want to talk generic, look at nearly every game released on 360/PS3 this generation. Brown, Green, Grey, steroid using, Badass with a big gun and an eye patch. yeah a real tough guy.. probably running off some form of Unreal engine..Aren't you guys bored by now? The mainstream gamer is, proof is in the slow adoption rate of the HD consoles.
heroicjanitor do you even have this game and are you from the EU? HVS would be held back even more on the HD console since they do not have motion controls yet. That was the main point of making this game. Another thing is why are console FPS separated from PC games? Because they cost more oh really? How much does a HDtv cost? You don't have one? So why are you not asking for a 640 SD option to boost the graphic out put on HD games? HVS did deliver on the graphics they wanted to produce. A little optimizing and it would have been even better. Maybe you don't like them that is fine also but what should they have changed? What HD game should they copy style wise I wonder? Another thing is I don't think any one in the Eu cares about D.C. . Which is in America. Now some thing more exotic would have been great. I just got finish playing some multiplayer and I had a lot of fun too. On top of that there was still plenty of people to play against.
from what i see from people who play(not the one that say the play it but know what they are talking about, yeah the one that didnt bought the game) it outstandin. hey the story may be generic for you but if you like story it best you play rpg then and if you like gfx that much then go watch a movie edit:im buying the game first thing tomorrow and
Haha, I emailed HVS to ignore the reviews too! And I pointed out that the initial sales beat Call of Duty for wii, which went to be platinum. It's like no matter how many games they claim are failures that go on to be tremendous successes, these people don't learn that wii games sell slowly over a longer period of time. They have to decide right now if a game fails - they can't just wait a few months to save their reputation. It's particularly arrogant considering they all failed at predicting the success of the wii. You ignored the conduit reviews too! Luckily I read the gamepro one first and that was when I realized I had to look harder. That made me realize wii games don't rank as high on metacritic so I started digging into why...honestly, some people just hate this system. Since I just bought mine 2 months ago for a nintendo exclusive after taking a hiatus from console gaming since ps1, it was sad to see what the industry has become. I was playing video games since NES, and people wouldn't knock SNES just because Sega CD had better graphics! It's even sadder that these people are so technically illiterate that they have no idea what low resolutions most PC games and xbox/ps3 exclusives actually run in. None of the 1080p natively rendered games are FPS or brawling games. But they see a number like 720p/1080p on the box and they think that's what the game is. There's a guy who counts pixels online to determine the actual native resolution - he found out the Halo 3 resolution was 640p. And a lot of other games too, despite the fact they still only run at 30fps. But they see 720p on the box and unquestioningly accept it, not realizing that it's upscaled resolution that doesn't do anything for video quality. I hate video game reviewers - they act like they have some technical literacy and they're by far the easiest to mislead. The ps3 has 9 cores - oh yeah, too bad you have to program with multithreading to use all 9 cores, and most developers lack the skill, time, or resources use more than 2 (even on PC). Never mind that it's incredibly complex to do so. 9 > 1 and hence it's faster. To be fair, the PS3 people have the same argument that the true performance of their system isn't close to what it could be, and some med students are currently programming the PS3 to read xrays ;) Blinded by these large numbers, no one claims to have seen the poor sales of the PS3 - it's almost the exact same thing that happened to NeoGeo and 3dO, consoles with mature and graphically rich games that I always wanted but couldn't afford. I could have told them exactly what was going to happen. You should really look into factor5 games. They made that Gamecube game Rogue Squadron, a launch title that set the record for most polygons in a 6th gen system (20 mil in the hoth battle without slowdown). They're quoted as saying wii developers are lazy too. You know how a couple naive people say the original xbox is faster than the wii? Factor5 tried porting that gamecube game to xbox - and COULDN'T. People don't realize mhz isn't everything! Halo 3 had to trade lighting for antialiasing because it only has 10mb of a certain type of cache. Try explaining a bottleneck to a reviewer...a bunch of English majors with a shallow knowledge of technical subjects and no programming experience. BTW, I hear Factor5 is coming out with some wii games and made an amazing engine for a wii flightsim, but the loss of a superman game contract closed their US operations. It still seems from a twitter update that the wii game is in the works, so let's hope it comes through from their German headquarters. You're exactly right that the typical gamer got bored of consoles. Nintendo did research into people like us - ex-gamers who left and non-gamers. They were the first company to include them. And they knew we were getting bored - half us wii gamers are old-school console jockies ;) The wii is nothing less than an incredibly intelligent response to that state of affairs. They asked why people were so intimidated by video game controllers and not a remote control - they realized that the latter is used one-handed, and bam, wiimote. When a lot of people saw consoles going toward pc gaming, they just ditched them for PCs, which have always had better multiplayer and will continue to do so. Personally, until I saw that Nintendo did research, I couldn't articulate why I got bored of games. But since PS1 every game has been the exact same thing. 3d murdering masquerading as a brawler or FPS ripoff. It's like they want video games only to let out their aggression - while they're good for that, normal people get sick of it! I box and the last thing I want is a video game less complex, realistic and satisfying than what I can do with a pair of gloves! Motion controls have upped the complexity and I'm back for that reason. For about 2 years all I played was DDR ;) I think it's also funny motion controls and peripheral madness are condemned when Nintendo does them, but Rockband is completely accepted. Man these people are naive. Also, I developed carpal tunnel from type I diabetes and a CS degree. While I can PC game with ergonomic equ and play on controllers for limited time, the wiimote is amazing in that it hardly aggravates my wrists. "Brown, Green, Grey, steroid using, Badass with a big gun and an eye patch. yeah a real tough guy.. probably running off some form of Unreal engine..." ahahaha! I used to complain all the time about the roided out characters. It's like virtual masculinity for people who don't get any. I thank nintendo so much for making a console my gf loves to play - she loves rail shooters too and we kill zombies together! When I mention what is going on in the industry with the wii hate she laughs, and for good reason - even her mom has a wii. As does her sister. The unreal engine is a complete joke. A failure in the PC market that they're selling to console users who never heard of the thing or can compare it to anything better. On UT2004 pretty much the only game you could get after release was on demomaps...there was almost no point in buying the full version. So they sell it to xbox users who never knew better. Like anyone would recommend UT on the computer over half-life or team fortress. I'm just sad epic couldn't die a dignified death and now is at the teat of MS. You should write reviews of the Conduit on amazon. A lot of wii gamers have caught on that they can't trust gaming industry reviews because the reviewers are a completely different demographic with different ideas of what makes a videogame. And so those are worth far more than anything for helping the game succeed. From the initial sales, there's a chance it will, lets just hope word of mouth carries it like other wii games. It's disgusting that some HD console jockey has to identify his masculinity with processing power and trashes the game in reviews that cost REAL programmers their livelyhood. These people think numbers are the end-all be-all of benchmarking, and it's rather sad they can't appreciate the skills in developing the quantum3 engine when they didn't have processing power to waste.
Jesus! Ive note seen so many tears since my little sister broke her dolly. Face it, the game is trash, and the world knows it. Most respectable reviewers pointed this out form the start, and only IGN let us gamers down with their disgracefully biased review. Hopefully with this failure, we wont have to endure the Wii fanboys hyping a conduit sequel, only to have a hissy fit when it flops again.
Actually this is more of a reason to hype the sequel. They got a lot right and you clearly have not played the game. If HVS and sega are smart they will try to get this game in the professional tourneys. More PC gamers need to play this game.
Jesus guys, I guess I have to keep saying this. Call of Duty for wii went platinum and eventually sold over a million copies. The first 14 days of sales before Christmas were around 76k. The Conduit came out with 11 days left in the NPD tracking period, but in June instead of the holidays. It sold 72k copies. That same NPD report said the video game industry was in a significant slump. If you use this metric The Conduit may still succeed quite admirably. Really man, it's clear you don't follow the wii because every wii gamer knows how wii games sell slowly over time, primarily through word of mouth. They aren't the blockbuster releases of the HD consoles or PC games. And it's far too early to judge The Conduit based on these sales alone But if you had to judge the sales as some people insist upon, the primary data we have says that it's on the way to becoming a tremendous success. You have no evidence of what you're claiming, and in fact the numbers suggest The Conduit is a rather promising title. And those of us that actually own, play, and enjoy our wii and the copy of the Conduit we purchased would prefer if you shut your ignorant mouth. I don't think many wii owners would actually believe that you have the system or have played the game, but just the fact you post here is bringing down the literacy and usefulness of our section. Would you like it if I trolled the 360/PS3 forums and said they're poor excuses for PC gaming? That the AAA titles have shoddy, last generation PC graphics and I can run Oblivion in higher resolution with better frame rate on a 3 year old PC? Grow up. Stop suckling on those n00bsticks and learn how to shoot without aim assist.
Give it up NintyTards every game that comes out for the Wii flops sales wise in this case it flopped in scores and in sales,Wii has no gaemz!!!Naw mean??
We have No More Heroes, Suda's most successful game ever. What's the matter, you other console owners weren't hardcore enough for him? We earned him a sequel. If I remember correctly everyone said that game had flopped too based on initial sales. See we all learned that wii games sell slowly over time. Resident Evil Umbrella Chronicles sold over a million...as did Resident Evil 4...House of the Dead Overkill turned a profit already...Red Steel sold over a million...Call of Duty too... And of course, Nintendo games completely destroy the sales of any game on any system. Call of Duty went platinum for wii. The Conduit beat those initial sales. So let's just wait and see. No games? Man I'm going to law school and I don't have time to play all the games I want. Just the Nintendo games will take the rest of the summer. And we got coming Muramasa: The Demon Blade, No More Heroes 2, Sin and Punishment 2, Monster Hunter 3, Red Steel 2, RE: Umbrella Chronicles 2, Wii Sports Resort, Metroid Prime Trilogy, Capcom vs Tatsunoko, The Grinder, Gladiator...oh man, great time to have a wii.
there's too much intelligence here, I'm out! Thanks for the heads up about the game I'll be sure to recommend it to the people I know who own a Wii.
And I just bought the EDGE for August. Their review: "Nintendo is claiming that The Conduit might attract Halo fans to its console, but this game isn't fit to wait Master Chief's table. It is, however, a good argument for the abandonment of that pernicious and so often misleading label, 'hardcore'. 'Danger! Hight Voltage Software' shouts the developer's logo. On this evidence, it's a warning that should be taken seriously. Score: 4 out of 10" And they had another nice article about E3 and the so called 'hardcore' support: "It seems Nintendo devides up the Wii roster by subject matter rather than quality, making The Conduit aimed at an imaginary audience of slavering gun nuts. Two out of these three games being on rails shooters shows that the company is simply out of touch with what the older proportion of its fanbase are all about." SPOT ON EDGE, SPOT ON.
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