Will Flower Dev Move to Natal?

Spong: Speaking at Develop studio co-founder, Jenova Chen, said TGC will have to "rethink" its direction. "Seems the future is coming much faster than I expected", he acknowledged, apparently referring to Project Natal and the PS3 motion controller.

[-MD-]

Why not? More profit to be had.

[FamilyGuy]

Things like this are why people from "sonys camp" call 360 supporters hypocrites. None of you cared for the Flow and Flower creators before but now that they said something that is forced to sound like an open statement you're ready to accept them?

Either way it's not happening, they simply meant that whatever game they were currently working on (for sony) might need to have some re-thinking towards sonys motion controller. They're a very innovative team so of course they'd want to be on the front lines of sonys newly applied technology.

If this statement were true/possible then why did they not simply make a Wii game? It already has motion controls, so it would make sense that the comment means they simply want to make one for sony since sony now has motion controls.

Obvious

[jessehaysfl]

Mr. Chen makes the comment

"Seems the future is coming much faster than I expected"

That means that he must be going with natal.

Granted he didnt say he wasn't so therefore he must be.......are you guys idiots? He said "Seems the future is coming much faster than I expected"....this means he is suprised by the new tech...not that he chooses one over the other. Both companies technology could be used in new an interesting ways....especially the eye updated software...you know the stuff thats allllooottt like natal...

If TGC goes to multi then good for xbox and TGC, but to make the jump that the statement implies that TGC will be an xbox company is frigging stupid.

PLEASE STOP MAKING SH!T UP.

[jessehaysfl]

If you disagree post why, don't hide....

If you have something to say, then say it. Thats why the comment section is here.

[RockmanII7]

well why would we care? They haven't affected us in any way, shape or form. I know about the game, but I don't really want it. You know as well as I do, though, that any game using Sonys or MSs new controllers could be big.

[gaffyh]

I don't think TGC will just up and go to MS, they will have 3 games worth of experience on PS3, meaning they could easily make another game for PS3. They will most likely do something multiplat or something with the motion controllers/Natal multiplat.

[Allelujah00]

I thought ThatGameCompany was a Sony First Party Studio?

You learn something new everyday..

[gaffyh]

@1.6 - No they just have a 3 game exclusivity deal with Sony.

[Elven6]

FamilyGuy: 360 fanboys on N4G may have said that, I own a 360 and to a certain extent a PS3 (deal with a friend who lives nearby :p) and I loved Flow. Not so much Flower, basically 360 fanboys on N4G only speak for a small fraction of the 360 audience much like PS3 fanboys do.

TGC would be welcome to develop for what ever system they want, they are a talented group and deserve to make money. The history around how the company started is amazing and truly a once in a lifetime opportunity.

[GarandShooter]

If you mean multiple platforms means more money, agreed.

To the author:

Anyone can make unfounded assumptions, and some of us can even impart some logic. Let's try.

We'll assume the future he's talking about is the new tech, for argument's sake.

As has been rumoured/unofficially announced the PS3 motion control will debut before Natal.

Mr Chen said "Seems the future is coming much faster than I expected", and TGC will have to "rethink" its direction.

So it's the new tech, coming faster than expected (possibly Sony moving up motion release to beat Natal to the market), and Sony's tech by all accounts and rumors coming out first, one could add that up to mean their upcoming games will support Sony's motion controller, which would be the new 'direction' and has absolutely nothing at all to do with Natal.

At least my version steps through 'A,B,C,D,' and doesn't just jump to 'Z', unlike yours.

[Blackbuster]

Since the people who made it are first party devs for Sony. Its got the same chance as the devs for Wipeout HD and Pixel Junk making a 360 title. That article is garbage.

[gaffyh]

@1.8 - I liked Flower much much more than flow, Flow is just a flash game quality, Flower is next-gen quality.

@1.10 - As said before, TGC aren't first party devs, they have a 3 game exclusivity deal with Sony (of which they have made 2 games).

[da720izcumin]

I don't remember any 360 gamer bashing flower or flow...

to tell you the truth, we don't have time for that kind of childish act...thas something people on the ps3 camp do, they bash and hate and spew dodo all the comment sections.

if I remember well, the sony kids were saying somthing like
"I'd rather buy flower anyday then a GTA DLC, which is bound to suck!!!!"

[KingKionic]

"Speaking at Develop studio co-founder, Jenova Chen, said TGC will have to "rethink" its direction. "Seems the future is coming much faster than I expected", he acknowledged, apparently referring to Project Natal and the PS3 motion controller."

It just looks like he just was happy to see the new controllers.

[cliffbo]

natal is NOT a controller it IS CONTROLESS!

[Christopher]

Actually, the camera is the controller. You require a controller in order to interact with the application, in this case it's a camera instead of a handheld controller.

Natal is just as controller-less as Microsoft's 1080p streaming doesn't involve downloading data. The controller-less lingo is merely marketing speak.

Kind of like how there is "smart" technology, when technically it's no more intelligent than a rock considering it can only do what we program and tell it to do. The item itself, whether a phone or a bridge, has no intellect on its own.

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Response to those who have PMed me in regards to this post (already? you guys are fast).

"With Natal you are the controller, not the camera."

This is insomuch as true as with every controller. Every controller requires human interaction. In Natal's case it is the recognized body movements in front of a camera as opposed to the finger controls on a handheld controller.

"How can you say Natal is a controller? You don't have to hold anything."

A controller isn't defined by an instrument which must be held and manipulated with your hands or other body parts. A controller is an intermediary device between a person and the software which the person wishes to manipulate.

The easy way to determine if Natal is controller-less is to turn on your Xbox 360 w/o a controller, stand in front of it, and wave your hands around. What happens?

The long way to determine if Natal is controller-less is to wait for Natal to come out and see how much they charge your for a device that you shouldn't need to use if it was really controller-less.

[RockmanII7]

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[Sonyslave3]

Flower coming to xbox 360 nice

[KingKionic]

Why did you have to start a fight now?

lol

[PieterM]

I'd like to see this happening from a dev that works inside the Sony Santa Monica Studios.

The fact that it is hedged in with "apparently", makes it a dubious statement, especially since it could very well refer to the fact that they might start working with the sony controller as well.

[brain_ape]

Say. What a crap article.

[redwingsrock]

uhh this article is pure BS since TGC is owned by Sony Computer Entertainment America and works within the Sony Santa Monica studio's building

[Knightrid808]

They're a second party developer. They aren't owned by Sony but works for them.

[raztad]

You right Knitgh but Sony's second party devels, ND, IG, TGC, MM, SP, Incognito are a happy bunch. All of them are making money with Sony, and want to stay with it. Not saying any of them could not want to go multiplat but in any case it would be a business related decision not the excitement about "teh natal".

[Spike47]

1. I don't it happening
2. that can be applied to any situation with any exclusive game.

[Arnon]

Huh?

[JD_Shadow]

So the assumption came from WHAT, exactly?

[Xi]

But I was severely disappointed with flower.

While I loved the art, and relaxation qualities of the game The actual gameplay imo felt dated, like it was just Snake 3d.

Hopefully they develop a new game that's more reminiscent of fl0w then fl0wer.

[JonnyBigBoss]

Make it for Playstation Eye. You'll be able to have the amazing capability sooner.

[XboxUltimateAlliance]

..... or not because nobody cares about Playstation Eye.

[jessehaysfl]

says Natalanwake.....

[Christopher]

I agree that no one really cares about the PSEye, but it's just so hilarious that they don't. Everything that PSEye can do is so easily pushed aside and forgotten while a single display of the same technology with Natal has made it #1 in the hearts of the media.

People are so easy to redirect and control like lemmings.

[XboxUltimateAlliance]

The Parappa the Rappa creator, Steven Speilberg, Bioware, Bungie, Epic, Rare, Lionhead, EA, Ubisoft, Suda 71..

The have all said their excited about Natal, I can't wait to see what everyone does and more and more developers will be coming aboard the Natal Train!

Jump in.

[leeger]

oh my how i love to play an fps using Natal...oh wait how do i shoot? i don't have freaking controller? oh i know, i just shout "fire" "shoot!" "bang!" "grenade!" while running in place for 3hrs straight! oh well there's always a driving game where I hold an imaginary wheel to play when i'm tired; it's so much better than to use a logitech G25 driving wheel.

[iChaos Amongus]

You won't be aiming to shoot with Natal, but there will be shooters where you play with the controller and do extra cool things with Natal.

There will also be completely new and innovative games made for Natal.

As Mr. Moleneux himself said, "Natal will create new genre's of gaming never before seen."

[coolirisGB]

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Gesture software came standard with this technology even before Microsoft started reworking it with their own software technology they have been working on for years and years with PHD folks and other top engineers.

Natal does more that just track full body motion (48 points)in 3D it also can be told to track any amount of points like a Motion Wand-Wiimote and it is so sensitive it can detect movement of fingers in 3D space. No other console camera has depth perception.

Kudos to the guy in the video showing Evanescence!

[_vx]

1- there iz no pure prove dat da guy iz actually controlling da windows with his figures , can you prove there wasn't someone else with a wireless keyboard? hahaha Luv da net commercials

2- even if dat iz real did u c how many ninja moves he was making haha what if i point out my mid finger hmmmm hahaha

anywayz thx for da laughs dude

btw Natal with no control = epic fail for gaming same as the eyetoy with no control it just not goan work for gamerz (real games) not the BAM! one hahaha

[coolirisGB]

What's with the delusional kid speaking broken english laughing at his own jokes which are not happy at all. http://news.cnet.com/1606-2...

[_vx]

sry Ai hurt ur feelings eh eh ehhh T,,T welcome to da net where every thin iz proven to be possible HAHAHAA
btw do u have more of these videoz itz really hilarious !! :D

ps: wazup wid da broken link lol! wana tell me somthin GB...S haha

[coolirisGB]

Poor little fella. It's Bed time for you. Natal is the future.

Maybe you can understand this

" I'mma Balla (Balla) SAY WHAT
High Rolla Baby (Baby BABY)
Shot-caller balla (that's right)
Drivin chickens crazy
You a hata (You a hata)
Why you tryna play me (I don't think he know)
Fake playa (Fake playa)
Scarred I'll take ya lady
Ain't nobody gettin it like me (I'mma balla fa real)"

Natal the balla, you >DA< hater. Learn some proper english and come back with a coherent argument.

[_vx]

so what you gona kiss your TV when you see hot chick in a video game? ,, or when a sex scene take place in the game what you gona do walk and jump in yr room with your lil peniz out of yr zipper haha??
OH wise man enlighten me plz LOL!!!
hahhahaha dude yr FOOOOONY thinking that somthing like Vatal iz da vuture

[coolirisGB]

Can't wait for Natal. Natal can do so much with motion no other camera can. I'm not mad at you. The way you type is hilarious I just love what you type I needed a good laugh. Thank you, really!

[_vx]

I can't wait to see what you see in Natal, till den keep in touch have good laughs and dont forget to practice da BAM! move ;D

[coolirisGB]

"ME TOO" we can whip something up and see if things work out as said. purple ballin ;D

[Jdoki]

Another case of great journailsm... Rampant specualtion.

The very most you could assertain from Jenova's statement is TGC is probably going to create a motion controlled game.

Considering the developer is based in Sony Santa Monica studios, I'm not entirely sure the Xbox would be the destination for the fourth game.

Also amusing how many Xbox fans are now suddenly interested in TGC considering how many times I've read stuff by them bashing Flower and Fl0w.

[Halo3 MLG Pro]

I'm not. I think Flower is the most boring game ever. I'm sure Yoga instructors and students like it but I sure don't. But this is just another clear case of another developer very excited what Natal is going to offer.

[Jdoki]

How exactly are you surmising this is another developer excited for Natal?

The quote is "Seems the future is coming much faster than I expected".

He then goes on to say about Sony "They still keep funding our project, and that's really, really nice. It's a really pleasant experience"

And from that somehow we get to Flower moving on to Natal!

If TGC move to Xbox development, it's no big deal - I'll just buy their excellent games on that platform, I'm sure they could something awesome with Natal or the Sony Remote - but this is shoddy journalism creating rumour where none exists.

[tehReaper]

Oh? Kind of how every PS3 fan is suddenly interested in Mass Effect since one website said a game on 360 could be coming to PS3. It could be anything, but somehow it points to Mass Effect?

It's how journalism works these days. 90% of this website is speculation.

[Qui-Gon Jim]

So, when you say "I'm sure Yoga instructors and students like it but I sure don't," is that supposed to be some kind of insult saying that people who are making themselves more intelligent might like it?

[Jdoki]

@dem0n

Well, that works both ways... Look how long Xbox fans said Metal Gear would appear on 360. It eventuially happened, and right up until the announcement we had nothing but extremely vague rumours and speculation. But how many times have I read on N4G that MGS4 was nothing but an interactive movie etc etc by Xbox fans.

Now we're seeing the same thing with Mass Effect, a vague rumour being blown out of proportion. And how many times have I read on N4G that Mass Effect sucks because it uses the Unreal engine by Sony fans.

This TGC news can only be interpreted as 'Will Flower move to Natal?' by someone looking to get site hits or as flamebait. The article title 'Next TGC game to use motion controls?' would be far more accurate and useful.

[ballsofsteel]

wow how ever wrote this clearly mad some things up cause all the quotes from chen just stated that the advancement of motion controls so soon could change is future project and no point does he say "we're considering useing natal" or make any hint or gesture of that either. besides i'm pretty confident that sony owns that game company

[user3915800]

This type of games are better suited to the PS3 population, its their taste all flowery with a touch of pink dildo.

[Stevie Ray Vaughan]

rofl

[Isis06]

it will be called Lower : P

[iChaos Amongus]

Probably called "Power" being on Xbox. =)

[Information Minister]

Naughty Dog said they will be sharing their game engine. Naughty Dog project on 360 confirmed!!!

See what I did there? I know how to mislead and speculate too. Nothing of what Mr. Chen said allows us to reach the same far fetched conclusion that the author of the article is suggesting.

[Qui-Gon Jim]

I would have nothing against ThatGameCompany making something for the 360, after all, Flower has moved the medium a little closer to art in my opinion, but this article is grasping at straws. I can think of no reasonable argument that can take what was said and infer that they are going to make something for Natal. It's just too big a leap.

[callahan09]

Gee. I don't get that impression at all from the statements. Chen doesn't even mention Natal, it's just pure insinuation from the "journalist" who pieced this article together.

[Z501]

Lower & Power.

Nice!

[maverick1191]

personally i cant see them moving to 360 as flower as flower is very popular on ps3 the next game i assume will be for ps3 and that will use the new motion controller i imagine

[Raoh]

LMFAO

some sites are just silly.. just because you love gaming doesn't mean everyone should just put up a site..

[Guitardr85]

wow you people must be special. The dev said "NOWHERE" that he was making a game for the 360. The only thing that was "implied" that he was talking about at all was motion control. I like how someone can take a quote about apples and turn the article into a story about bananas. If you read the article you would see what I mean. Most of the article he was actually praising Sony! Who approves this stuff?

[Forbidden_Darkness]

He was never implying that TGC is going to work on the 360 at all, TGC is happy working with Sony and will continue working with them for the years ahead...

[ZOMBIEMAN1]

when PD said they want to bring GT5 to more platforms and ppl assumed they ment GT5 would go to PC and easily forgot that there's a PSP & PS2 in the end it was GT PSP so this could be same situation and end with it being only on PS3 using the wand thing , really how dumb do you got to be to say that did they say they want to use Natal or even mention the 360 to come up with hey Flower devs going to make a game for 360

[sarshelyam]

I guess it's true...no matter what we say, or how clearly we say it, people are bound to take it out of context by reading between the lines and applying their own speculative conjecture.

What do I have to say to 360 users? Well, if TGC does indeed decide to bring its projects to your platform (at a later date mind you), more power to you...finally you'll be able to enjoy the mastery of the craft Jenova, Kellie and the team at TGC bring to the table...

...I'd also say don't hold your breath.

[MmaFanQc]

since the eyetoy is the same thing

[Arnon]

Eye Toy (PS3):
http://www.youtube.com/watc...

Project Natal
http://www.youtube.com/watc...

(both are commercials for what the product is "supposed" to do)

Natal obviously consists more than just simple hand movements.

[iPirates]

What's with your links...

Project Natal: Advertisement - E3 09

Eye toy (PS3): Some add you dug up - posted in '07

Means for comparison? I don't think so.

In your opinion a big difference hey? Yeah, two years difference.

[Arnon]

Lol? What else has come out for the PSEye that has done more than these 3 games? A card game that recognizes simple things with bar codes? Natal does that with any object. No code required.

[Qui-Gon Jim]

What makes you say that Natal can recognize any object? That kid with the skateboard? I'll give you that that is possible, but it's only a software thing that could be done by any thing with a camera attached. Sony has actually recently patented technology that allows them to use 3D tracking of objects other than their "wands," too.

Natal can do the 3D body tracking, but other than that PSEye can do everything Natal can, and in many cases has been able to for years. With the wands added to the PSEye, it can do 3D tracking very well, arguably better than Natal. At the end of the day the only differences are that Natal can track your body, while the PSEye will require the wands (or some other object) for 3D with apparently better precision and response time, i.e. freedom from a controller vs precision with one.

[Arnon]

Even if The PSEye could do every single thing Natal could, it wouldn't really matter, since Sony doesn't even support it. That's why I wonder why people even bring it up. :/

[maverick1191]

erm wrong arnon eyetoy has been proved that it does face recognition and also body movements its the same and its been out for years live with it MS are copying again Mii avatars now this

[pippoppow]

This is pure assumption. These so called articles with lame headlines sure is getting tiring, let alone the sophoric content. And they are approved to boot. Big *SIGH*. Love how the 360 diehard fans run with this stuff. Can't wait for the same to happen with a Dev that has only come out with 360 games to say something similar, which will be no better by the way. Ironic how in love 360 diehards are in love with so called casual games and motion controls all of a sudden while the Wii and PS3 have been involved in this stuff for a while now but ignored. Good stuff overall/s.

[nostalgic_noob]

Is assuming. No where does Chen say hes thinking on Natal.

[Aaron Greentard]

they will eventually. microsoft has a big fat juicy c*ck that everyone loves and cant get enough of.

[Lawliet]

Probably, but for the reason because of Natal just doesn't make any sense. PlayStation3 got the PSEYE.

[Theoneneo81]

Way to go mods on failing the article 5 failures before this got aprove... but i forgot its a anti sony one.

[onanie]

How does "the future is coming much faster than I expected" beg the question "Will Flower Dev Move to Natal"?

Quite a leap of supposition there.