Nofi from TheSixthAxis writes that Sony have just released their first pay-to-play game on the PlayStation Store.
Gaming is moving towards pay to play model. Started off on a small scale with paid DLCs, charging for Home Items and now with could computing coming out of the shadows, it inevitable that the industry would move to pay to play model. I am not sure if it would be beneficial or detrimental to gaming in general though. Sony is just days / months ahead of its competitors. I am sure Nintendo & Microsoft (and possibly Apple) would also come up with such models in the near future. Microsoft was already looking at a pay to play model for one of its downloadable games... Unfortunately I cannot remember the game right now.
Apple is gay.
Doesn't Microsoft already have a Pay to Play Model? Xbox Live? Pay for a Gold Membership to play Online and Download new Demos/ betas?
This is EXACTLY like going to the arcade. Strange, gaming consoles became popular because it was a way to save money when compared to going to the arcade. I won't look at this as a positive thing, demos are fine and free so why pay to "sample"/not own? Arcade: You pay for lives in fighting games but the get items in home aspect is just like winning tickets that you can buy crappy nick-nacks or candy with.
Of Trash Panic. No pay-to-play needed. The only reason people would pay-to-play this version is to get items for Home... in which you already pay to get certain items in Home. So obviously, its catered towards the same group of people that pay for extra stuff in games/applications.
Like Sony is dipping their toes in rather than jumping in and making a big mistake. They have set the price pretty low and are doing this to reward those who want the Home rewards. No big deal to me since the game at one time was a full purchase item and even than was not appealing enough to me to buy it. It's just another business model that somebody had to try out. Key phrase here is: "If you don't like it, don't buy it".
Dragun619: Live gets you more than just being able to "play online". It gets you cross game chat, party support and now things like 1vs100, all included in the same price. The Free accounts are free to download demos and games and all that, there's no restriction on it (apart from new demos not being downloadable for the first week).
I see this as an improved demo system, it may well be a way for devs to save cash and not have to put out demos anymore, sounds good to me.
@ Kushan... Blah, blah, blah. Face it. You PAY money to Microsoft to PLAY online with your games. PERIOD. Let's see how many people would continue to pay for Live if they could play online for free. Very, Very few people would... I certainly hope this isn't the future of gaming.
It doesn't matter what way you spin it, you don't JUST "pay to play online", that's just part of it. Sure, it's the part most people are interested in, but you do get more for your money than just that.
If Silver allowed people to play online, would people pay for Gold just for Cross Game Chat, etc? Not likely. Its nice to have some options. Even with this game, Sony offers people the options. But with Live, you MUST pay to play online... even though its free to play the same game online on PC or PS3. I still don't get how people are willing to justify something like that. Imagine the doom articles if Sony started charging people for stuff that are free on other systems. Hell, there's already doom articles without Sony even having to do anything wrong.
You can't say nobody would pay for it in just the same way that I can't say that everyone would still pay for it. Some people JUST want to play online, some people want cross game chat, some people want everything. I have no doubt that less people would pay for gold but I think you'd be surprised at the amount who'd want the extra features as well. I've always said that the RRP for Live was far too high, but that's ok - you don't have to pay that price. If you look around, you can get it for half that price easily, or about £2.50 a month (or $2.50 in the US), not a large sum by any means and you do get a good service in the end.
Try to spin it any way you want but features or not you CANNOT play on live without paying and that's the bottom line.
I like the extra features Live offers, believe me. But we're not discussing whether those features are worth it or not, etc. We're just making the point that Live is a pay-to-play service.
Your willing to spend .25/.50 in an arcade but its wrong for a console to do the same without wasting gas? A game like this I do need, Ninja Gaiden Sigma was hard but I need a game thats actually tests my patience, and not a game on the hardest difficulity either. By the way if someone wants to challenge me on this I've spent at least $100 on Tekken Tag Tournament arcade, $120 on DDR Extreme ($40 alone to beat Legend of Max on Standard mode) and $90 on Marvel vs Capcom; yes it does seem like a lot of money however a lot of people whine and complain about "pay to play" yet when you go to an arcade or Dave and Busters (for those who know what that is) its ok to pay to play and not think anything about it.....
This is like having an arcade at your house.
"But with Live, you MUST pay to play online... even though its free to play the same game online on PC or PS3. I still don't get how people are willing to justify something like that." My suggestion: Stop trying to get it. I own both consoles but I use LIVE a lot more than PSN. I'm huge on communication when I play online games. PSN feels like a barren wasteland on a lot of their games online. I hate that. Call me stupid or whatever but the 2 main reasons I online game are because of 1.) The games (duh) 2.) My friends and other genuinely good gamers that I meet online (good as in good people all around -- AKA not rude/racist/jerks) What I'm saying is LIVE's community is more connected then PSN. It's just more alive. Those who say otherwise, don't have a 360/Haven't played on LIVE. Yeah PSN is great for what it is but the communication is usually non-existent. Honestly (no joke) I think I'd LOVE PSN if Sony started packaging PS3's with headsets. It would make so much of their community come alive. Either way, this is why I justify the measly $4 a month. I can afford to give 13 cents a day to play on LIVE. And I will continue (as millions of other will and do) to keep paying for this great service. If you hate LIVE you hate LIVE but damn it's annoying when "PS3 ONLY" people continually question justification for the service. Do you all really care that much about the things your fellow human beings spend their money on? Awwww... If so, then I'm truly touched :)
"Gaming is moving towards pay to play model." Laughing My AO... this is so 1970s. Pay to play or arcades were the way to go before the 2600 found its way into homes. Then came the NES and most arcades shut down. I want to pay 10$ for a downloadable game and play 3 lives or 3000 lives if I want.
I own the full version of Trash Panic and that game is not easy. Anyone who has played it knows what I mean.
I can't even find the damn instructions on how to play the game. It is ridiculously hard though I do agree, even though I don't know what the hell I'm doing...
Seriously, it took me at least 15 'lives' to pass the first stage. I'm adamantly against the Pay2Play model of gaming, and will not support anything that uses it. It's a leech attached to your wallet, placed there by pure greed.
Hmm, MMORPGs can definitely be worth the fees, but not sure about this game.
Is that the game is Trash Panic. Stupid thing is hard enough on Easy.
lol! Damage control in T minus zero.
it was bound to come around at sum point, two words ....... coin-op.
sony are theifs plus the game is garbage
Xbots have been paying to play online for years.
Yes, for a premium service paying indeed. I pay for great food in a restaurant and homeless people eat for free out of the trashbin. XBL = the restaurant, PSN = the trashbin. Thats how it is. Thing is, for the PS3 you pay twice as much as the 360, while the 360 has the better multiplatform version of games in 98% of all games. Ain't that strange? Pay double, get half? Not too forget, if the PS3 breaks down after 1 year of use, you pay Sony 200 Euro to get someone elses refurbished PS3 back, with only 3 months of extended warranty for that 200 Euro (thats half a new PS3 there) and all the data on your HDD is deleted. I say wut? Microsofts 3 years of warranty, take the external HDD off when you send the system in is a much, much better deal there. With the PS3 if it breaks down out of warranty just buy a new one, you get facked either way.
xbox live price http://www.play.com/Games/X...
what a complete moron you really are! In the shops at the highest price its £39. On Ebay its £26
and that is why you back up all your data
I forgot which, but I remember the message boards at GameFAQs exploding when gamers got to a certain level then received a message stating that in order to play the rest of the levels, they'd have to pay more money.
It was Lode Runner for the XBLA. http://www.destructoid.com/... However I think the information is a bit skewed. IT was originally 1200MS, but it debuted at 800MS. However a day later it got jerked up to 1200MS, so that pissed off alot of people.
It's only on the Japanese PSN.
Oh wait you can still purchase the game without the Play2Pay thing so then what's the point.
lol just don't die and ur good
Get a life man..where did u see that price for gold service provide proof u moron...go play ur fony ps2.5 if u have anything to play that is. PS. 1 vs 100 is addictive.
sorry I'll stick to Xbox Live Arcade for a free trial! One of the reasons why it's good that you pay £40 a year.
yes mart because PSN is trash considering all the content never gets taken off the store due to bugs most of your DLC's that go on live are buggy and have to be taken off i.e. fallout 3 how many times did that go back on live twice it was and battlefield that got took off the store and back on you may get DLC on mulitplats 1st but have you ever noticed PS3 version of the DLC has no problems whatsoever LOL im sorry buy live is not worth $50 for in game chat and party system
You keep telling yourself that.
as with Arcade machines....avoid them....wont pay to play
The way to squash this kind of thing and make sure it does not progress to more extreme forms is to refuse support from the start. Hopefully not many go for this because it could lead to more severe forms across other games.
Wait, what I cant play Gomi Bako now OMG, what should I do? What can I play now? There is nothing else on the PS3 that is worth playing... /sarcasm, who cares about some random game...
As long as Sony keeps demo's, and full games that can be purchased, adding the pay to play isn't that big of a deal. Now when they drop demo's and do the pay to play crap then I'll start to care. And as other have mentioned this is for the people who want home items, but may not be willing to shell out the price of the full game.
FF14 will be the big one
Was it really needed?Xbox already has it and so does the Wii.REALLY SONY DO YOU NEED TO JOIN MICROSOFT AND NINTENDO?!This is a outrage,foreshame Sony.....what has become of you,I think I'm gonna cry. :(
This games learning curve is incredibly steep. I should know as I own the full version. When you get the gist of what does what (burning/blowing things up and the bio balls) it gets very addictive. I'm stuck on the 4th level when you get buildings and stuff, and have no hope of getting an eco rating yet. My tactic is basicly burn, burn, burn, blow up something and shake the ds3 like a crazy baboon. Rinse and repeat, until I actually unlock all levels for free play anywho.
Well, I think it´s better than pay twice to play... :-)
This is a stupid idea. Not happy about this.
Pay to play games during the recession?
I remember having to pay to play back in the day. It was in a room we liked to call "The Arcade". There were loads of games there. Each game costs at least 25 cents to play, you got three or so lives, and as long as you had the coin, you can continue from where you left off. Ah yes the Arcade. True Story!!!!
you are so correct. I also remember the price going up from .25 to .50 and then to $1.
Yeah especially when we started seeing the first 3d games like Virtua Racing.
aren't all games pay to play? lol
True, but in this case you keep paying. Could you imagine Killzone, Halo, and Call of Duty charging you for every life you use. It will get very expensive.
You guys are taking this totally out of proportion. I was going to inject some logic here, but after reading the comments here, I just don't feel like it. If you're stupid enough to see something sinister in this, have at it.
Why would the industry look at a pay-to-play model when the current one works fine? I'm pretty sure customers hate the idea of paying per use as opposed to owning the game outright. Pay-to-play only makes sense in the context of MMORPGs. Am I really going to pay 5 bucks a month just to play one game, and never ever be able to own it? No way. First of all, I'll make damn sure if my kid (when I have one) wants a game like that, I'll beat the crap out of them to ensure that they don't want a game like that. Secondly... meh, pay-to-play just isn't realistic. In today's age, people are more aware of debt and it's problems, and it's much easier to go into debt when you are financing things. There's no way people are going to finance games... (I say that waiting for the 15 year in the future "flashback" that proves me wrong)
* sony fanaics* bu bu but
This is not a pay-to-play game, it's a trial. 100 yen is $1. This way you pay a little, but you get to try the WHOLE game not a small piece. This is not a bad idea. I'd like to see both options in the future - a free limited demo alongside a $1 demo of FULL game with limited lives/respawns; for those who liked the free demo, but still are not sure.
That is Correct, Also!
lets just put it like this, you can have t-mobile and have spotty service and internet issues or you can pay top dollar for veryzon and have the fastest and best service. sure xbl is not perfect and neither is verizon and you get what you pay for people...xbl have proven to be worth the money because of quality. another example is itunes, you can pay or torrent bit the music, but the quality is what counts...not the xbox but live, cuz we all know how that turned out..lol
Look at it this way. If you are good you will only need one credit.. And will get all items in one shot for less then buying them. Second this was put in place to see if it's better to let you pay less to win items in HOME only instead of paying high price. SCE also is using this to bring back a arcade experience world. Remember you don't have to play them, it's design for the HOME exp. Third, just look at all the games you brought over the years you no longer play anymore.. *This Is SOE third pay to play game: FF 11, Everquest on PS2. SCE: Insider
im ok w psn,
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