Dan Greenawalt of Turn 10 Studios takes us through the physics and gameplay of Forza 3 during E3 2009 in Los Angeles.
Looks very nice. I like it more than the 2nd.
Yeah, the third is looking just on par with Gran Turismo. edit: I find funny his comment about the 60 frames per second because Forza 2 ran at 30 so, he does not consider it a real racing game then? That comment about the 60fps is almost the same thing Yamauchi responded in an interview were they were asking him why he didn't put the same effects from the replay on the real-time gameplay to what he responded: "We don't want to compromise the 60fps because that's what gives the sensation of speed and if we include all the effects then we'll have to make the game run at 30fps..." Or something like that was what Yamauchi said. Now I see that Turn10 are very influenced by the Gran Turismo franchise and people still say that Forza is better.
Actually it looks like what I crapped this afternoon.
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Looking great so far.
@1.3 Douche - a small syringe with detachable nozzles; used for vaginal lavage and enemas. Do people take craps out of their vaginas? Do I have a vagina? Your post is meant to be funny, yet you fail incoherently. Nice try, tardsauce. And good job picking out of a brand of douche just to insult me - the measures some people will go.
If only the made diarrex strong enough for what comes out of your mouth. Here have some toilet paper to hang from you chin, that should slow it down.
I came back and looked at the video this time - it looks like Burnout Paradise still. Specially when he flipped the car, lolol.
We will have this awesome gem this year, you on the other hand will be stucked with a demo version of gt5, by the time gt5 is out we will be playing forza 4.
Actually, I'll be playing Uncharted 2, M.A.G., Fat Princess, Rock Band Beatles, Heavy Rain, Ninja Gaiden Sigma 2, Quantum Theory, Batman: Arkham Asylum, BF: 1943. In the meantime, I'll be laughing at your pathetic line-up for the rest of this year.
Half the list is for 2010, and ninja gaiden was called poop by the majority of ps3 followers when it was exclusive. And now all of a sudden its a must mention for ps3 fans. Only because they add a couple of chars that fight identically to ryu. Not to mention the multi's and psn titles that you list, ps3 sucks and you proved it.
I enjoyed Ninja Gaiden Sigma. I'm not the majority - I'm an individual. I don't give a crap what the next person says about a game that looks appealing to me. Where are your games? Another Halo repeat and Forza? That's all you have. Once again, I'll keep laughing while I enjoy both my multiplatforms and my exclusives (I forgot to throw in Ratchet and Clank too).
i dont have to list games, i am not an insecure loser like you. all i can say is that the 360 got more then only one AAA game, ps3 only got uncharted. @below i mean uncharted, and uncharted will be the only AAA game for the ps3 this year, Mag, ratched, and psn titles dont count as AAA games. The live game from epic will blow all the psn titles out of the water, and we dont count that as AAA either. AAA = Forza 3, ODST, Splinter cell, L4d, those are AAA, live titles and unproven franchises are not.
"all i can say is that the 360 got more then only one AAA game, ps3 only got alan wake." So does ps3 but you would know that if you weren't a oppressed fanboy. Oh and I didn't know that ps3 had alan wake, when did the announce that and do you have proof.
"The live game from epic will blow all the psn titles out of the water, and we dont count that as AAA either." You mean shadow complex, I am surprised you don't know the name since you seem to know everything. Yes shadow complex looks like it could be a good game but once again you are making comments based on no facts. Do you know everything that is coming to psn....oh yeah thats right you dont have a ps3 and think there is only one console.
lol PS3 owners sitll pretending PS3 has the best line-up when its not and won't be even close. Funny.
"Yeah, the third is looking just on par with Gran Turismo" WTF?!!?!?!? Forza have always been better than all GT games and this is coming from somebody who was ADDICT to Gran Turismo 1-3 Specially the 2nd Gran Turismo. GT3-GTP are all B.S. GT2 was and is the best GT in the series till this day. ALL OF YOU that comment that there is no other racing sim better than GT is because you have only played GT games AND THAT HOW IT IS DONT LIE NOW with "oh i played Forza and GT is better.... Buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuulllllllllllll Shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii+!!!!!!!!!! !!! NO ONE I KNOW WHO HAVE PLAYED FORZA AND GT CAN SAY THAT GT IS BETTER NO ONE I KNOW. AND MY BROTHERS FRIENDS AND CO WORKERS WORK IN THIS STUFF (REAL LIFE) for Spoon Sports Co., Ltd
just looking at yur bubbles makes it hard enough to actually believe you. I love fake @ss people. Oh and also it's called opinion buddy, everyone has it well iknow your gnna reply back because you stupid xbot only have 1 bubble
MUST BUY in my eyes!
Though I'd have to get a working 360 again, which I don't see happening soon =[.
Sorry to hear your 360's not working. RROD? Out of warranty? It would be a bummer to miss out on the couple of great games coming for the 360 soon, including Forza 3. I liked the first two and hope that this one is no disappointment.
Obviously been 3 years now lol. It's ok though. 20 gigs was a small HDD anyway. I'll eventually pick one up. Maybe if there is a faster 360 (like the rumor says) I'll pick one up when that comes out. If I don't I'll be missing out on games like ME2, Alan Wake, SC: Conviction, and this. I'll probably get L4D2 as well, my PC is getting a bit dated..so I'll probably pick it up on the 360.
Rewind is a no no, it's ok for as he said, kids. The lighting looks nice. But something still does not look right with it.
colour saturation is a bit much they need to tone it down a bit to give it a more realistic look
I'll tell you what it is (besides the oversaturation of colors): That smug, arrogant SoB standing next to the television. I want to punch that guy in the face.
And i want to turn you to hamburgers.
Well..their environment they've shown lol. The draw distance is nice, so you wont see anything pop-up during the race..which is great because seeing pop-ups in a racing game = fail. Though while I do think GT5p still has better graphics, I think GT might have a challenger in the physics department. Forza 2 was disappointing in that aspect, but to hear them reinvent their physics and add so many things makes me wonder "What will Polyphony do to match that!?" Especially with the time ticking for the fans patience. Anyway, I think Dan has a few things wrong with his facts. Someone confirm this or not, but I believe the GT games showed racing lines since 2 or 3 (in license courses/tests). Not exactly the same, but saying that they "revolutionized" it is a bit of a stretch. Along with tire flexing. Live for Speed has tire flexing. ( http://www.youtube.com/watc... ) Don't worry though, seeing Forza 3 pick up some stuff from Live for Speed is awesome. I recently tried the trial version, and I thought GTR was good. If you guys played this game, you'd know it's the most realistic when it comes to physics. So big plus for Forza 3 picking that up. And lawl at the car sliding xD.
Seriously Forza 3 looks amazing. I think this game is gonna get fantastic reviews in October.
but thats GT3 vs Forza, not GT4 lol. There wasn't Porche in GT but RUF is in there, which is a modified Porche. The collision is a fair argument against GT though. It's horrid. No damage, etc. And comparing a 60hp car to a Ferrari is a bit unfair don't you think? ----------------------------- --- Anyway, this isn't about the older GT's or even GT5, this is about Forza THREE.
so each car in forza 3 is 2.5 million polygons definately out does its nearest competitors EDIT: sorry not 2.5 million just 1 million. still 1 million is still impressive and way better than gt5 Polygon count for car model: Forza 2= 100,000; PGR4= 100,000; GT4= 4,000; GT5:P= 200,000; Forza 3= 1,000,000
U mean gt5p right cus u ddnt even list the polygon for gt5 do you even know what the number is. Just asking becAuse I don't know to and I want to know
At 1mil per car there'd be 8mil just in cars PER FRAME. And the gameplay is CLEARLY 60FPS, so multiply 8x60, you get 480mil/second. But we haven't factored in the incredibly detailed environments, which would account for around 2 mil polys extra in a frame (120 mil more per second). The Xenos GPU can handle 500mil polys/second (or 1.5bil vertices). So it's actually right on the money as far as performance is concerned. For comparison's sake, PS3's RSX GPU can handle 1bil vertices/sec (or roughly 333mil polys/sec) so it can't handle as much as Xbox 360 can. It's 33% less efficient in vertex processing.
Well, Turn 10 is calling this the definitive racing game of this gen, so I assume they won't be making another Forza until Xbox 3. In which case, I am very very excited to see what kind of graphics they will be able to pull off, because I have been playing Forza 2 for a couple months now and the graphics of Forza 3 completely blow the graphics of Forza 2 out of the water. I probably won't be getting Forza 3 until the price drops to like 20 bucks though. It's a great time to be a gamer but a bad time to be poor.
They will make another one. Its the definitive racing game so far, Forza 4 should see the daylight in 2011....
What they call their game doesn't matter, of course they love it that's their baby. Until proven otherwise, the definitive racer this gen will be a Gran Turismo, like it always is. What matters is what they show, and on the graphics side, it's definitely subpar compared even to the old GT5 Prologue, so it will be dominated by GT5 if they don't change anything. Cars are much too shiny, they look like plastic toy cars right now. The tracks and mountains are nice though.
@krakdol You fail to realize to each game got its own strength and weaknesses, GT is weak in tracks/settings/customizeabili ty. While Forza 3 can have improvement in the car model department. So dont act like GT5 is all that, if it got a whole lot to improve itself, compared to what forza3 offers. But who knows Forza 4 will have perfect car models, then GT5 wont hold a candle to Forza4.
Actually once you remove the shades, dim the lights, oh and actually view the footage you'll see that Forza MS 3 has the edge. By the blade. The car shine isn't an issue to me, really. I love that Turn 10 reminds Polyfony that a racing game should be fun flashy and full of flair. And they just also happened to mop the floor with GT5's slippery amateur banked turns. I mean GT is getting old and it LOOKS it, they can't even get handling right. Their formula is old, Forza MS is a new breed of ACCURATE SIMULATION, not just GAMEPLAY. Face it, Forza MS 3 brings gamers into the REAL next gen. We have online gaming, we have communities. It doesn't matter if it has half the roster or half the cars on screen as GT5. It has TWICE the heart.
Wow, 2 Forza games already on the 360 come later this October. but on my PS3, I have only a demo :(
"It doesn't matter if it has half the roster or half the cars on screen as GT5. It has TWICE the heart. " When playing online 16 competitors is better than 8, in a racing game or in a shooter, more the merrier. I have my personal favorite, but that does not make it the gold standard for everyone, because of this point of view i disagree with your "new breed" vs Old breed. I see it as 2 different styles, to each his own, but you are treating the most successful Racing Sim as if it were a Need for Speed arcade game. For gaming lovers, 2 great racing games is better than one. The haters will miss out on one great game, by neglecting either one. PS i did not press the disagree button, i just replied
@3.6 That you bought. Nice one. @3.7 - more is not better, it's just more.
so you understand that making two games in the time it takes to make one is not better...its just more.
When you looks at the reviews of the to Forza games and then GT5 Prolouge which still plays like a last gen game, yea it matters.
so by your opinion the FPS MP would be fine with 4 players only (like the great Golden Eye). New technologies allowed for new experiences, if u dont want them, dont buy them and be happy.
I wasn't comparing Forza 3 with GT. I was comparing Forza 3 with Forza 2. I don't understand why you guys are talking about GT under my comment. And I didn't call Forza 3 the definitive racing game this gen. I said that since Turn 10 said this, it might mean that they won't make another Forza until next gen. That's all I said. And I think Forza 3s graphics do blow Forza 2s graphics out of the water. Most people would agree with that.
Does Forza even have dirt and snow rally races yet? Speaking of "playing catch up".
Does gt have it ? O wait, game isnt out yet. Does gt have elevation on its tracks, nope, still doesnt after dozens of iterations. Does gt5 have 3d backdrops, nope, still not after dozens of iterations. It also doesnt have car editing, enhanced tire/car tuning, no real time damage, no car flipping and who knows what more.
PirateThom seems more delusional than ever. Making up facts lol! If you want dirt & snow rally races you should pick up Rallisport Challenge 2 for the original Xbox. Best rally game ever made. Or wait for Dirt 2 perhaps. GT had the worst rally mode ever made. Here's how you beat every rally track in GT: Mitsubishi 3000 GT with 1012 hp and rally tires (or Suzuki Pike's Peak). Just hold the gas down and crash through every corner lol. You'll still win. You can do that in normal races as well. Oh! So realistic lol! Piece of sh!t. Have fun with your postcard racer.
9 - @foxdog 1- O wait, game isnt out yet. 2- Does gt have elevation on its tracks, 1- Niether is forza 3. 2- yes it does, you obviously havent played it. Don't you have some research to do on source code or something? I am glad I will be playing both of these games to enjoy the features on both games instead of thinking one is superior because thats the only one you can play. It must be sad to be you.
@lil t you want to hear something funny, ask foxb!tch what his degree is going to be, lmao, what a doucher!
What? his degree of retardedness, OH you were talking about his pre school. Ya I seen him mention it before thats what makes it even funnier. bubbles for you
I cant wait until GT5 releases afer Forza 3, we will definately know which franchise is playing catch up.
the best racing game of all time. better than gran turismo or anything out there.this game will sell over a million day 1. and its only for the xbox.
So much work gone in to this game. Can't wait to play it. Going to customize teh hellzors out of my ride.
i played plenty of gt's, i owned a ps2 and a psx. Tracks in gt are flat as hell. And forza 3 is coming in october, so its close enough.
You don't have a ps3 and haven't played GT5p and can't comment on it because you haven't played it. Nice to know that your comments are based on nothing.
what a sht is this,we have best physics ,best graphics,most cars ??? wtf is that? do they not see Grid damage,look how stupid damage is.and he say that 6yrs kid can complete all game. wtf is that? game for kids. i cant imagine how 6 yrs old kid can play simulator at all. what a sht is that game,look at damage ,after rooling car got only few scraches ,do they dont know what damage is? tottaly sht...
best game this GEN it's a lockdown GT can pack his bags and move the f out of here :D
Why not have 2 great games instead of one this gen, it doesnt matter if you only have a 360. You want GT to die out? Ok then, while your at it, why not hope that CoD, GoW, Halo, Resistance, and all the other games give up this gen, after all Forza is the the only game that should be released this gen its that good.
I have always imagined hell as bumpy. Try taking a Lemans car around the sarthe straight, then tell me GT's tracks are flat. When I saw the Forza trailer, all I could think was, YEAAAHHH GT5 & FORZA FTW. I was even happy when NFS gave a shot at it. All you moaners are sad, I don't have a 360.. doesnt mean that forza has to automatacally be crap, and vise versa
View this vid probably ie actually at 60 running at it's intended speed and it very easily impresses Mind you at a glance Forza3 doesn't look altogether the most incredible graphics for a game like this - it's really only when you watch a couple of laps and take in the very subtle realistic hdr kicking in at times, the majestic scale of the scene and beautifully rendered cars I tend to agree that there is more a sheen to Forza3 cars but at times, coupled with hdr(half the people dont even know what that is) and just the whole scene in general, Forza3 actually takes your breath away Watch it a few times on your 360 and it truly is stunning once you soak it all in Turn 10 are doing a wonderful job F1GP for the Amiga etc was one of the first to use auto brakes and suggested line race line though it's nice to see aids like this making their comeback
this developer lives for this.
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