Adam Sessler, Morgan Webb and Mr Sark discuss whether 'L4D2' qualifies as a new game or whether it should be considered 'Left 4 Dead' DLC, and thus, be free to players.
i wouldn't go so far as to say it should be free personally im against LF42 if its a full 60 dollar game if its cheaper than 60 though then its alright with me
I already got it free so I'm gewd
The big problem that the petitioners mention is thus. They fear it will split the community because valve have said they are "Separate games" if they made it so you could integrate the 2 with all the enemies/heroes and such the fans would not be AS upset as they are. Also yes they feel they are milking the fans that support them. G4 totally misses the main point of the petitioners and thats spliting the community. Also lack of support for past games because seriously L4D was a good 2 hour game. The online was alright for a bit... More support was needed. I mean has the 360 version even gotten any DLC. I really am asking because I have the PC version. it just feels like they are kinda boning the people who support them and expect the same support back. Modders and everyone else in the community who have built all new content are going to feel like it was a waste of time in many ways... It really should be DLC/add on. Make it high priced DLC but integrate the 2... Edit: @ disagrees. Really? What did I say that was Fanboyish or wrong? Really? Was it because I bought the PC version? The fact that I have a lot of friends from my old MMO days who love TF2 and L4D and only play on PC? Watch last weeks invisible walls. Marcus beer goes into detail on why the petitioners are so upset. It really does make sense. you don't have to join them. It wont change the fact that it is coming out and will sell boat loads. However they do have a right to feel that way... It's their choice. I didn't sign the petition. http://www.gametrailers.com...
its 50 bucks on PC
The 360 I believe got a FREE DLC. A FREE DLC! What more can I say, there is no reason why Valve has to support anything, but the fact that they did officially pledge support is a plus in my book. I'm no fan of L4D, but still thinks this whole petition is ridiculous. Why do we have double standards on different game devs when plenty of rehashed games comes out yearly. Valve has in some ways spoiled their fans. Ironically the fans have made them who they are.... Maybe Valve could have a trade up program. We will give you an upgrade at reduced price in exchange for your L4D1 license/disc. This of course will enraged another minority of game owners that don't want to upgrade....
I thought all this L4D2 crap had died down but there goes X-Play bringing the issue RIGHT back up again. I agree, this could've been perfect DLC for L4D1 at maybe $20. Let's just hope they actually support L4D2 with tons of content and not a L4D3 next year.
It's not that G4 missed the point. It's that they chose to attack what would draw more hits/ratings. The legit arguments were tossed out the window. What we have left when this is done is a straw man. William Randolph Hearst is smiling in his grave at how well they pulled it off. I read the steam l4d/l4d2 forums everyday. The majority of gamers do NOT want this to be free. L4d2 is new character skins, new weapon skins, new maps and new infected. The only REAL feature I'm seeing that wasn't promised to be in l4d1 was the revamped AI director. In essence, pretty much what Valve promised would be in l4d is being charged at the premium as a new game. The majority of us would gladly pay for this. But at full price?... In my eyes this is an expansion. Or an episode if you go by what Valve has been adding to HL2. Not worth full price. $25 is the most I'd pay for it. I'm still going to support Valve because they've never wronged pc gamers. But I WILL be giving them what this game is worth. $25 and not a penny more. If I have to wait 6mo-1yr then so be it. MW2 will tide me over just fine and without any fuss.
That's very unlikely.
like any game, like any sequel, from any developer, if the game is effing fun, ill buy it and play the crap outta it. i only care about FUN.
Everyone who bought the original should get a discount =D I'm my dreams...
Of course it shouldn't, but it shouldn't be full price either.
Exactamundo! I won't be buying this until it's $20 or less.
No Valve needs to eliminate the average franchise altogether.Although the 360 is accustomed to mediocre games so perhaps its fine
Hell, you can charge a hundred dollars for the game and xbots will still buy it. LOL BEND OVER FOR MICROSOFT! HAHAHA!
no but they shouldn't charge full price for it. It is essentially the same as left 4 dead 1 from what I can tell in the gameplay videos. They even have the same bosses except for one.
so should Call of Duty 6 and Fifa 2010 and Madden 2010.
Fifa 10 Madden 10 COD 6 Okay fifa and madden are seasonal games. news season,new players,new teams,new features,better graphics and commentary,more depth in game modes etc. then call of duty is made by two different companies making 2 different games i.e ww2 and mordern combat games. where does not warrent enough change to bring out a new game espicially when you think about how late the dlc for number came out and that you'll still be paying for new dlc when number 2 is out and not long afta its lunch number 2 will have dlc.
That's practically what it'll feel like.
difference is, fifa and madden are sports games, they NEED to be updated, Call of Duty gets bigger with every new installment and the fans love it. Left 4 Dead 2 just came too quick for what the original offered.
and fans thought it would get the same long term support as most of the other valve games
L4D was 90% multiplayer... its like releasing FFIX with additional maps the very next year and expecting ppl to pay full price for it
I'm with the majority here: It should be DLC priced. They should release a full priced title that comes with L4D1 and L4D2, dropping the price of L4D1 to budget and making L4D2 an expansion at a reasonable cost. That way, no split community and an option for everyone.
MAYBE COZ THEY CANT GET THIS AAA GAME AND THEY HAVE TO BE STUCKED TO UNCHARTED 2 ... AHAHAHAHA UNLUCKY PS3 FANTROLLS , GO PLAY UR GAYSTATION KK ? ROFL
Like I said bend over xbot! HAHAHA!
anyone else really happy that we got stuck with uncharted 2 instead of lfd 1.5? i know i am
have fun playing your last gen graphics n $60 expansion pack hopefully they'll give your more levels this time UNCHARTED > XBOX360 byeeeeeeeeee
you cant be serious uncharted 2 vs. L4d2 is like watching a bunny fight a lion also uncharted alone probably tops every game on the 360 for this year but if you dont believe me just go to every video game site that gave uncharted 2 the best game of E3 award
DURRRRR DURRRRR Don't forget the so called fanboys can play it on there PC's like most of the 360 exclusives and this game is not AAA. Dumb a$$ Muppet
Should be free, hell the first one should've been free. It wasn't long enough to justify 50/60 bucks for it but oh well.
Here's what I don't get: why do people talk about "length" when talking about Left 4 Dead, a primarily multiplayer game? You don't "beat" a multiplayer game; you play it over and over. It's like saying, "I beat Team Fortress 2!" It wouldn't make sense since it's a multiplayer game where you play the maps over and over.
Yeah but TF2 was cheap as hell and is still infinitely more replayable than L4D.
This is a separate game. Get over it ladies. Yes your going to pay the full price if you want it. it clearly doesn't look exactly like the first game. Half price no if it is exactly as long as the first one with the same features sure a discount is in order but if not....By all means charge full price for it.
trust me I won't be paying full price for it. Your forgetting what other shooter is coming out at the end of the year. Prices fall and with steam sales I'll eventually pick it up for the price I want... that is if I'm still interested in it when that time comes.
every game should be free, but it ain't happening.
I got L4D on Steam for $40. I'll do the same for L4D2.
got l4d for full 64 for 360 then 20 for PC when it went for weekend sale. Sold 360 version at 40. :D L4D2, I will buy this game but will wait for sale.
How could they possible release this as free DLC. It's going to be like 8 gigs.
l4d is a good game but 4 levels? get serious, should of had atleast 8 tbh so make up for your half complete game n release it for free ffs
Also, Lol at the blurred violence in the teaser. American TV is so censored...
Mediocre cashin is mediocre. Won't be AAA
How is a sequel a cash in?
be realistic nothing for free . say half prize maybe yes , free that is too much for a game should be sequel.
The game is going to last as long as a movie.
Unless you have xbox live or the Internet....Then this game will last months and months and months and months just like the original. No one plays left 4 dead for the single player. And why would this game be free, it is looking great. Stop whining and buy the game or not.
I recently bought Left 4 Dead and it's awesome. Sure it only has 4 campaigns but it is really fun and things can go down in so many different ways that it doesn't get boring. I'm looking forwards to Left 4 Dead 2 and along with Bioshock 2 and Uncharted 2 it's one of my most anticipated games this year.
free? wtf are they smoking? Valve can't give a years worth of work away for free, DLC or not.
the first "game" aka MOD should have been as much as most mods cost for PC....free. HOWEVER, this is valve, so, at the most 10 bucks. I felt really ripped off and have learned my lesson when i purchased the first one. I am NEVER buying valve again until they make a new engine. Riding on this old POS engine is getting ridiculous. Seriously, the engine was fine 4 years ago. this is plain dumb.
Wow, people don't get much more stupid than this. Just because the game runs on the same engine as another doesn't mean it's a mod. Every game running Unreal Engine 3 isn't a UT3 mod, is it? As for the engine itself, it has changed dramatically in the 5 years it has been out. Every new game Valve releases has added a whole slew of new features. TF2's version of the Source 2007 engine was a HUGE change from the original HL2 engine. But still, for a 5 year old engine, it still holds up well to 95% of games out there. Valve will probably start working on Source 2 after Episode 3 and Portal 2 ship.
Isn't the Source engine much older than five years? I had read that the Source engine was an updated version of the GoldSrc engine from the original Half-Life, and that the GoldSrc engine was distantly related to the Quake Engine. I mean, if you think about it, the Source Engine is like 12 years old. It's obviously so heavily modified at this point that the original code is gone, but it lends credit to the suggestion that maybe Valve should get to work on developing a new engine from scratch.
kaveti it's a completely new engine built from the ground up. It shares a lot of functionality with GoldSrc/Quake because Valve are used to the framework those engines use. It's from 2004, but it would have been earlier if one German hacker had left well alone.
Thanks for the info. Unfortunately, I rely too much on Wikipedia for information.
oh sh!t, you're right. Why not make Modern Warfare 2 free as well. By this logic, any sequel to a game that didn't have much DLC should be free. Hell, free games all around for everyone. Free consoles also while we're at it.
that would be nice but I still wouldn't get Modern warfare 2.:D
Valve games are fun to play, It is little outdated tech wise but It doesn't ruin your experience. Hence, valve the best, even low end PC can play game.
My opinion on this matter is simply to say: for those of you who have L4D on PC, I don't understand how you can be so mad. You guys have free mods, so you can get so many maps for this game. Valve has always encouraged the modding community to make more levels in any of their games and most PC gamers benefit. For the xbox 360 owners, I'm sorry but you should have known that the best way to play a valve game is on the pc.
1) Why should it be free. Its bigger than the original game. 2) Also why are you fanboys on both sides so stupid. "xbots, gaystation" Just why. I own both and they are both great systems. Use both online services and the 360 one is superior and so I dont mind paying for it. Honestly its 5 dollars a month. However I also like the bluray on PS3 and love both systems exclusives. I just dont get why poor people cling to a product they buy like it is their own child. Buy both and enjoy the benefits of the rivalry between these two companies. Because in the end you get a better product. Side note: I am looking forward to uncharted 2 but dont make stupid comments like "uncharted 2 could beat every game coming out on 360 this year" because its a dumb opinion based claim that you state as fact. Lot of 360 exclusives commin out that will be great. Ill play Mass effect 2 and bioshock 2 more than uncharted 2 but they will all be good games.
first of all my comment was made due to what i heard from critics and alot of them say uncharted will be contender for game of the year and i never said this was a fact i own both systems and they both have there pros and cons but dont think u know who i am based on my opinion which is all it is also mass effect 2 is not a 2009 game
I mean, if anything, cheaper...not free...its clear Valve have invested some amount of work into it, at least reap some profits from their effort. I'm really rallying for or against this whole debacle people are making about this game, but I think full price would put me off it...but thats just me =) Not free though...people are too obcessed with things being Free nowdays - remember whats free for you is a cost to someone else.
The replay value of L4D for me has been huge. I got Ghostbusters a few weeks ago. It cost 60 bucks and isnt near the same value IMO. L4D was not designed as a linear game that you "beat" in 4.Going through the levels again is what its all about. Not having a preset number of enemies and a typical end of level boss battle is refreshing. So odd that L4D was critically acclaimed untill the sequel was announced. Its still going to be supported. Team Fortress II still is. If these "petitions" arent too BS'd, it shows you should find plenty of L4D people to keep playing with. So they started making a sequel on day one,and were able to do it rapidly because the basic premis/architecture is already in place. My wallets standing by.
their isn't a game on xbox 360 thats as good as uncharted 2. FACT!
well sports games that come out every year should be free...
"you cant be serious uncharted 2 vs. L4d2 is like watching a bunny fight a lion" Is that why Left 4 Dead got better reviews than Uncharted? Ahem. Left 4 Dead - 89% Uncharted - 88% It may be a small percentage, but it proves that your statement is wrong. "also uncharted alone probably tops every game on the 360 for this year" I do hope that's a joke. The Xbox 360 has a nice line up this year. Games like Splinter Cell: Conviction, Halo 3: ODST, Forza Motorsport 3, all look GREEEAAAT.
isnt halo 3:ODST an add on.....
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