Sony's Wand Technology Sent Out A Fierce Message To Competitors Hours After They Comfortably Assumed Victoy

"Twiggy", PushSquare: "You've been waiting to hear what I thought about E3 2009 and here it is: everyone did great; except Ubisoft. Seriously though, I thoroughly enjoyed Microsoft, Nintendo and, of course, Sony's press conferences. They all had a little something to offer to whet the appetite. The Beatles: Rock Band was a perfect opener for Microsoft, which actually blew away any scepticism I had for that game. I think Metroid: Other M looks absolutely phenomenal. And as for Sony, well, I think their motion controller was the best example of a motion controller I've seen - including Project Natal and Wii Motion Plus."

[Information Minister]

... With a passion!

[Genesis5]

Well they are all fighting over the Wii crowd now. I personally have no intentions of playing motion control gaming, If I need exercise I'll grab my tennis racket or my golf clubs and head outside.

If I'm gaming only my fingers and thumbs will be moving.

[LoVeRSaMa]

Its good because both Sony and microsoft have dipped into Wiis market more, which means that some Casual gamers will be more familiar with both PS3 and Xbox360 its an advancment in gaming but a main win for hardcore gamers who will have casuals possibly invest in there console..

[get2sammyb]

I really enjoy motion controls depending on the subject matter they're being introduced to.

What's interesting is whether Sony's controller will create some synergy with third-party developers and their Wii endeavours. Given they are slightly similar in design - might we see franchises like No More Heroes and Raving Rabids being brought to the PS3?

This may be where Natal loses out given it's lack of controls and "distance" from the crowd.

I wonder how third-parties feel about having to create essentially three different control schemes if they want to make true "multiplatform" motion control games?

[UltimateIdiot911]

I don't hate motion control if it's done right and useful in a game. If it's sloppy work and a lame attempt to make use of the motion control then no thanks.

I would love to see a Star Wars game done right with motion control or maybe a Robin Hood game. I'm really interest in the bow and arrow idea.

[TheTwelve]

Agreed...I suppose both Sony and Microsoft want to grab that Wii crowd but I'm certainly not part of the Wii fad.

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[Downtown boogey]

I bought it for the prospective swordplay mechanics and the fact that you could aim at the screen. Aiming worked nicely but swordplay wasn't even near to become reality. With Sony's product I see, SAW it happen! I've sold my Wii ages ago and subsequently bought a PS3. I've got great games, great graphics and now maybe even the thing that Wii was supposed to provide.

Buying the Playstation Motion Controller as soon as it releases :)

[INehalemEXI]

I was thinking the same thing along those lines that prototype throwing ninja stars , arrows , sword play, the golden gun fps it was all very precise. Sony's greatest move wont be a motion control scheme to counter wii though.

I think the price drop will be what will usher another momentous wave of sales. Give first what gamers have been asking for.

[Raf1k1]

edit: crap, replied to the wrong place

[Qdog]

This could light the industry ablaze in areas previously thought to offer only the cold shoulder. I see it like this, what are the only drawbacks to sparring/boxing? Head injuries and fatigue, and as a former golden glove, this excites me. If they implement this correctly into a boxing game, you could get excellent core training, hand-eye coordination, cardiovascular endurance, and even weight-loss, without having to worry about inherent head injuries, or working outside a pace that your used to. Of course that kind of implementation can only benefit from the most extreme precision and control. There are many other avenues that could see motion control benefiting the industry as well as the consumer, that I havent seen anyone touch yet. In closing, it could be a blessing or a curse, depending on the developer's motive, talent, and creative vision. As of now it's up in the air, but I am anxious to see what can be done, by one of the most creative and innovative companies in the industry...

[Information Minister]

... By releasing a new motion controller, Sony is basically acknowledging that the sixaxis was a miserable failure.

[Qdog]

I was a launch owner. I think Sony understands that in order to repair, improve and cement the image of their products, they need to re-invent, and improve their existing products. That is the nature of innovative technology, driving ever forward. I used the sixaxis extensively, at least 3 times per game, to give it a good judgement. What I see is a device that fulfills it's intended purpose, and it does it to a high degree of accuracy, however new technology presents it's own developer's incentives and rewards. So I see that the sixaxis was a success, and this was on the corporate roadmap for a long time, a sort of natural progression. I expect even more from the likes of Sony in the future, but just because they keep giving us a better and better quality experience, does not make their existing technology a failure. I hope you can give me more elaboration so that we can reason and deduce your logic together.

[Oner]

The true irony is that a sixAxis controller can be in someways utilized in conjunction WITH the PS Eye AND the new motion controller to have an even more immersive experience with technology already in everyones hands.

[TheTwelve]

Completely disagree with the sixaxis being a "miserable failure". It's good enough for the hardcore gamer without being gimmicky and is a great addition to plenty of Sony exclusives.

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[boodybandit]

So in your opinion anything that is made better or taking in a new or different direction is admitting failure? If that is true then Nintendo, MS and Sony have all failed time and time again.

I could go on for hours about all of the revisions and upgrades all of them have been through over the years but I know my efforts would be in vain so I wont bother.

[Trebius]

What if it's raining...?

Then you'll wanna play indoors right...?

Or what if you dont have a tennis court in the area...

Or what if you dont wanna play tennis or golf, but you want to hack and slash?

Can you do that outside too?

[s8anicslayer]

Sony, although they appeared to have some minor bugs with their prototype had some interesting concepts with incorporating the eye toy, but although many people don't want to admit it was nintendo that brought the technology to the mainstream when many people thought it would be a joke including myself.

[JohnnyBadfinger]

Motion controllers are pointless.
Microsofts is flawed in many ways, Nintendos hasn't really changed and Sonys... well, that looks like a dildo your swinging around mate, and i think your mum might want it back.

I for one would not be looking into getting any of the motion controller cause well i don't let my grandma and grandpa play the Xbox nor do they want to, same with my folks, they don't give a s***

And honestly ask your self, are you really excited about swinging your mums dildo around the room? hmmm.... i thought not.

[50CALheadshot]

+ bubbles for both right above me

[rockleex]

Would really love that Sony motion controller!

Especially if Sony adds vibration. ^_-

[shawnsl65]

give me a motion control gun for Uncharted 2 so I can pretend to be an action hero.

[KKanjiAnkh]

I luv how people believe Sony to just make a complex console, then all of a sudden start letting all the same B.S shovelware games come to the PS3.

Every system has casual games of some sort, it just depends how much your willing to risk your brand from the beginning to 2-3 yrs later.

When I see games like Last Guardian, Uncharted, and all the weird IP's that have brought them this far, I can't imagine the crazy stuff they will produce.

I look at creativity out of longevity, especially through companies and what game types their audience accepts.

We'll see how all this plays out, but in the meantime peripherals still don't leave a great taste in VIDEO GAMERS mouths.

[Syronicus]

I have to say that what you said there was a bit sad. SIXAXIS is actually pretty cool when implemented correctly and has been used well in many games. No need for Sony to make a reasoning for folks to like it, it works well when used right. Any other new controller is not an apology for SIXAXIS but rather an addition to the gaming community and a step in the direction of the casual gamers.

[jamesrocks3147]

microsoft has a camra only a camra no controller and will cost a bomb.
nitendo has a motion controller but to make it more accurte with wii motion plus but still not as good as the ps3 motion controller you have to buy the add on

ps3 on the other hand has the playstation eye. and the new motion controllers better then the wii, conbined with a very powerful console the ps3 itself, if you think about that for a second it beats the wii and xbox natal, why? because the eye camra for ps3 can see your movement and even tho it HAS NOT been demoed the cam does have a 4 way microphone bulit into it so it could do voice reconistion like the xbox on and because you can have 1 or more controllers thats so precise.... the playstation motion controller with the camra out does all competion as sony said in there demo " you need buttons for some parts of games like a trigger to use in first person" with natal u cant shoot with your hands can you its not that advanced... sorry microsoft but controllers are set to stay for along time

[nycredude]

So what are you going to do when you have an urge to battle dragons, and knights, and demons in a midevil setting?

Are you going to grab your shield, sword and bow & arrow and go hack some poor dude on the street?

Come on be real. You may not like it but there are plenty who are licking their chops over this tech, me included.

Give me Demon's Souls with motion controls.

[DA_SHREDDER]

yeah right you guys are full of crap. You aren't hardcore if you gonna make ridiculous comments like that.

[hokis4ever]

Yo Bro, i'm seriously Hardcore! Hardcore to the MAXXXX.

/sarc

[i3eyond the Circle]

They must've not gotten the message but Natal isn't just motion controlling.

If Sony sent out such a fierce message why is Natal still the most talked about thing on this damn site.

Mostly positive but filled with people bashing of course.

Not 1 thing Sony showed at E3 has hit the surface besides the games we've known of already.

Kratos ripping a Head Off is Sony's highlight of the week.

[get2sammyb]

Because Natal presented people with a video documentary of a concept that is clearly impossible by todays standards. Naturally, people are taken aback by such "claims" - but alas, "Milo" will be for 360 owners what "that Killzone 2 target render" was for Sony and then some I'm afraid.

Where Killzone 2 met some of the claims implied by the target render - I'm afraid to break it to you that even the worlds best computer scientsts can't create real artificial life. And they certainly can't do it within a four year old video games console.

Sony's motion controller actually demonstrated (live, not pre-recorded video footage) an unparalleled level of accuracy and responsiveness. And they also showed the thing working in "game-like" scenarios.

This whole thing about Milo "changing the face of technology" may be true -- but the big word in that sentence is "may be". It'll probably be 100's of years before you are interacting with RPG's in the way that the Milo (pre-recorded) tech demo implied.

Microsoft have it all to prove now. They made a splash and they got the "space age" reaction they expected to. Show me something that makes this more than a very well kitted out Eye Toy/Vision Camera and I'll believe. Until then Natal is nothing more than over-hyped pipe-dream, pre-recorded in a "target video" that promises a future not even NASA scientists can construct.

And for that I think Microsoft will be concerned by Sony's more "realistic yet obviously working" approach.

[SpoonyRedMage]

Well Sony's control may have buzzwords like Submillimeter precision but is it actually useful for anything other than writing?

Everything else they shown can be done with the Wii motionplus which is working in actual games and available next month.

It seems more powerful but impractically so when it doesn't do anything that the Wiimote can't now, plus it won't work as well in low light and it'll be more expensive.

[i3eyond the Circle]

If Molyneux got on stage and started off saying..

"Yes I have created the worlds first A.I. Sentient being and it is exclusively to Xbox360 watch how it works."

Then maybe I'd call BS...but he didn't.

Molyneux is trying to create an app that can be the foundation for new ones a prototype to a prototype.

His extensive work and tweaking of Natals voice and motion movements with Milo can be the calibration needed for developers to create games that use its full potential.

Just like N4G people cannot think there way out of a wet paper bag with a hole at the bottom.

[RyuStrife]

It'll work in low light. It tracks the light diodes on the controller. But I believe the point behind Sony's controller is, 1:1 on an HD console. Sure it may be expensive, but we don't know yet.

[get2sammyb]

You're right, he didn't. He implied it by creating a sneakily edited video documentary that was clearly scripted.

At no point did he go out of his way to suggest what was being shown may not actually be the way the final project/engine would work did he?

Instead he hyped this project as one that would earn him covers on the front of "Science" magazines.

Microsoft clearly went for the "shock" tactic - and you're right. Clearly it has worked. It doesn't mean Milo will work though.

The Richochet ball demo will, mind. Hence why they showed that on stage. It's realistic. Everything else? Not so. Views echoed by those who have actually used it.

[LeonSKennedy4Life]

Because MS made it look like Natal was ready to sell to the customer...which is not correct at all.

[TrooGamer]

@ Spoony

Will it really be that much more expensive? PS3 camera is £25 and guessing the controls may be another £25 so its about the same as the Wii Remote and Nunchuck

But we see when it release. Sony will release a motion control bundle and console at the price drop price

Good luck to all 3 companies i say

[SpoonyRedMage]

Ahh good point it can track the light but it still means it would work innefficiently as it wouldn't be 1:1 as you could move it the wand without moving the light. Rotating in a sphere...

I wonder if it detects how hard you swing?

@^: If the individual remots can track as well as motionplus and there's two wands it's bound to be more expensive.

[TheTwelve]

Why is Natal the most talked about thing on this site?

Excuse me, but don't you know that Microsoft managed to put Halo 3 on soda cans?

In other words, it's being shoved in our faces; Microsoft is very good at that.

Now, it's getting spoken about because the thing is a fake.

But I can promise you that in a month, nobody will be talking about Natal/Milo.

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[Raf1k1]

it would be very difficult to have motion sensing technology detect how hard something is being thrown.

motion sensors track motion only. they are incapable of tracking the amount of kinetic energy behind the motion.

one way around it could be to have pressure sensors in the controller so that the harder it is squeezed, the more force the software can allocate to the object thats being used on screen.

edit: really? i didnt know that. I would have thought that it would sense the controller moving faster and have the software allocate more in-game force.

edit2: i think i should probably check out red steel 2

edit3: i thought id add this so people know what im thinking. anyway, im assuming the way it works in red steel 2 is that the faster you move the controller, the harder you hit the enemy.
this makes sense and works well since you do need more kinetic energy to move it faster so you are definitely adding more force.
but, if you were to hold the controller above your head with one hand and swing it down as fast/hard as you can and then do the same but with both hands, the game probably wouldn't notice much difference even though you are using twice as much force

[SpoonyRedMage]

Umm dude... the Wiimote can detect how hard you swing it. It's plays a key role in Red Steel 2 as there's heavily armoured enemies that require harder swings to get through their armour.

@Troogamer(way down low): True but the Wii should and could always be cheaper and by the time motion controls are fully adapted for play and in the shops the Wii HD could be here.

[velaxun]

that would work because of the accelerometers in the wiimote. In case you didn't know the wiimote doesn't work with a camera, it uses IR sensors to detect the location of the wiimote in regards to your TV set and the accelerometers to detect motion and direction. There's a good chance sony would have accelerometers in their motion controller as well because as Raf1k1 said, a camera alone can't detect kinetic force. However it's possible that they may use the speed of a swing to attempt to estimate force.

[Cenobia]

The PS3 motion controller basically works the opposite way the Wiimote does, and that makes it better in my opinion. Instead of aiming an infrared beam at a small reciever, the eye toy tracks lights on the PS3 motion controller.

How much better would that make something like FPS games? I tried playing Red Steel and it was a nightmare. You can't turn too far or the Wii completely loses the signal. That wouldn't happen with this (although that is just an assumption at this point).

Anyway, I see far more use in something like this over Natal. Jumping around an empty room seems so stupid to me. The menu/voice stuff was cool, but I doubt it will be worth the money its going to cost. I see really cool applications for the PS3 motion controller in games like oblivion.

[Raf1k1]

what you mentioned about only being able to turn so much with the wii-mote before it loses the signal got me thinking about the ps3 version.

its true that that won't be a problem for it since it doesnt use IR but the glowing balls need to be viewable for the camera for it to work. if anything was to come in between the balls and the camera it wouldn't be able to tell where it is would it?

if you were to be swing two controllers around like in the sword + shield demo, you could easily end up putting one arm in front of the other controller

edit: this may or may not be a problem. i guess we'll have to wait and see

[cliffbo]

natal was a mock up/fake it does`nt work yet!

[Montreafart]

Innovation. Sony is committed to bringing true next gen gaming experience. And to do this, they will innovate and transform the gaming industry. It is clear year in and year out, that Sony is the true industry leader.

Since the launch of the PS3, Sony has given us Little Big Planet, Home, 60 vs 60 players (soon to be 256), an ever evolving PSN network, superior Blu Ray format and games that are technically lightyears ahead of the competition. Games that can only be done on the PS3.

It is clear to anyone in this industry that Sony has changed gaming to a new level much like Nintendo.

Where as Nintendo has changed gaming by being the first to introduce motion sensing controls, Nintendo has opened the gates for the casual market to enter the "nerdy" imagine of the gaming industry.

The only one that has failed to deliver anything, is Microsoft. Microsoft has arguably hit rock bottom, as its failed dirty tactics are not working and the more and more people see them for what they are: a big fat LIE.

If Nintendo wii did for gaming what the 8bit Nintendo console did, then Sony will do for gaming what the 16bit Snes console did.

Microsoft meanwhile seems like the 32DX add on for the Megadrive that will flop all around.

EDIT:

Also for those idiots and xbots like spoonymage who completely missed the point of the writings: they wrote something on paper not for the sake of writing something but to demonstrate the milimeter accuracy of their technology. Something NEITHER MS nor Nintendo has at the moment.

Also, Sonys motion project may not be the most talked about right now, but the kits are already at the hands of the developers right now. Just like with all Sony Triple A exclusives, their games will do the talking for them.

All bots are owned and are right to fear the PS3. We told you last year: the PS3 was just warming up. Wait till you see 2009, wait till you see 2010. Wait till you see 2011.

We tried to warn you. But did you idiots listen? Haha hell no. Arrogance and stupidity are the two well known xbot characteristics.

Here is another warning, bots.
You thought PS3 2009 is to be feared? Wait till you see 2010 and 2011.

[Arnon]

1. You fail at this kind of comment. Absolutely terrible. Do not go into marketing.

2. NEVER... And I mean never, brag about home, or the number of players in a game. Those are the types of things that are so terrible to justify a purchase, that they only make the PS3 look worse if you were to talk about them. "My PS3 can play 256 people!" So? It's already proven that Resistance 2's 60v60 was absolutely terrible by the masses and it's overall success.

3. I guarantee you, that Sony will not market their dinky wand. It WILL be overshadowed by the Wii with no effort whatsoever. Not to mention Natal. Because Microsoft is actually smart, and they feel the products they work on for a while deserve to have success.

4. The Playstation 3 has no release dates. There is 1 confirmed game for 2009 and that is Uncharted 2. MAG, Heavy Rain, Ratchet & Clank, Demon's Souls, White Knight Chronicles (though, why would anyone want this), etc. do not have a release date. There is nothing to fear about the Playstation 3. It's still struggling to help Sony in the least bit. And is selling less than it's previous iteration, the Playstation 2 every month. Sony better start working harder, because its either now or never for them to pull through. We already know that they're not going to have more success than the Xbox 360 this gen. But it doesn't even have more success than the Playstation 2.

5. Try harder.

[jeseth]

Honestly.

Not only do their PS3 exclusives now set the bar by which most games are measured, they are always the ones taking the technology risks that seem skeptical at first but before you know are all features that are put in their competitors products. To deny it is just plain bias.

Not to mention that PSone and PS2 combined have outsold all Nintendo consoles COMBINED (NES + SNES + N64 + GC + Wii, never mind what PS3 sells over its lifetime added in. Don't believe it, look it up. To bring Xbox in is even more humorous! PS2 alone has sold more than Xbox + Xbox 360 combined . . . . then DOUBLED.

Sony is the trend setter in technology and is an absolute gaming giant. But then again . . . Blu Ray is going to fail . . . . must be why DVD sales are down from last year and Blu Ray sales are double what they were a year ago. Yeah Sony has no idea what they are doing.

Keep hating, your denile is amusing.

[cereal_killa]

"The Playstation 3 has no release dates. There is 1 confirmed game for 2009 and that is Uncharted 2. MAG, Heavy Rain, Ratchet & Clank, Demon's Souls, White Knight Chronicles (though, why would anyone want this), etc. do not have a release date."

Mag and R&C both have 2009 release dates they were confirmed by the developers on the G4 E3 shows Heavy Rain, Demon Souls and WKC I can't confirm except for HR has a 2010 date for sure.

[Montreafart]

So stop hating on the PS3. Its not the PS3 thats killing your system (ok, maybe it is) but if your system wasnt such trash, it wouldnt fail so hard.

And no release dates on Demons souls people. Nevermind the fact that its already out with English voices and subtitles. PS3 is regionfree after all so shipping one from Hong Kong would merely cost me 10-20 bucks extra.

I bet your puny xbot ass that you actually think your console matters. I have some news for you, xbot. It doesnt. Xbox 360 is absolutely irrelevant now.

Everything it does, PS3 does WAY better. 360 has 3 or 4 exclusives this year. Didnt you hear Jack Tretton during E3? PS3 has 36 exclusive titles THIS YEAR.

Talk about being outmatched on EVERY front. 360 is so sad that the games they show you on E3...they had to force Epic to go on stage to show off an ARCADE game. Haha. Thats the state your box is in kid. And meanwhile you think you have games. right...

Compare that poor showing with the Sony conference. Shiat man, they had sooooooo many games, that they couldnt even show off half of that shiat! Youre outmatched on every front. Be it Blu Ray, HDMI not needed, harddrive for installing, to free online to games.

EVERY FRONT kid.

Hey man, lets compare

XBOX 360
Modern warfare 2 demo (multi platform): A week timed exclusivity for mappacks (that MS is bragging about such irrelevant features shows how desperate they have become)

PS3
Assassins Creed demo (multi platform): REAL exclusivity items PSP connectivity

Winner: PS3

Xbox 360
ARCADY GAME FROM EPIC, release date TBA

PS3
FF7 announced for DLC IMMEDIATELY

Winner: PS3

XBOX 360
MGS:R announced (multi platform)

PS3
MGS:R
MGS peacewalker the true sequal

Winner: PS3

XBOX 360
avatar racing. Yippie thats what I always wanted! /sarcasm

PS3
MODnation racing

Winner: PS3 absolutely destroyed 360. No contest.

XBOX 360
shows off 5 minutes of Rockband beatles due to one exclusive song

PS3
Lost planet 2 announced for PS3

winner: PS3 continues the PWNDING

XBOX 360
FF live on stage "demo" (can you even call it a demo, its 1 battle, they showed off Odin lmao)

PS3
NEW trailer of FF13
FF14 announced timed exclusive for PS3 + worldwide premiere first time footage ever

Winner: PS3 DESTROYS the 360

XBOX 360 shows off some underwhelming games:
Splinter cell
Alan wake demo (luigi's mansion meets alone in the dark)
Halo Reach announced, not a single footage
Forza 3 showed for first time with arrogant monkey

PS3
Uncharted 2 demo steals the fking show. Game of the show.
The Agent, Rockstar exclusive announced. MEGATON.
MAG Live demo
The Last guardian shocks the audience
GT5 sneak peak proves superiority yet again. GT5 has Nascar, F1, World rally. Forza got what again? Rofl forza is a racer for KIDS.
God of war 3 live demo

Winner: PS3. Everything 360 does, PS3 does WAY BETTER.

XBOX 360
Natal crap (bam there it is!)
Milo faked

PS3
Advanced wii mote. Accuracy to the milimeter. Best of all, the tech is nearing final stages. DEVELOPMENT KITS ALREADY BEING SEND TO DEVELOPERS AROUND THE WORLD.

XBOX 360
What they didnt show: nothing

PS3
What they didnt show:
White knight chronicles
Demons Souls
Yakuza 3
Ratchet and clank
Heavy Rain
Eye pet
Quantum theory
Starhawk
Fat Princess
WipeOut fury
Valkyria chronicles DLC
AND MORE

FKING HELL, YOU ARE TRULY A DELUSIONAL STUPID XBOT CONSIDERING THE PROOF THATS OUT THERE. PS3 DESTROYS THE 360 ON EVERY FRONT. EVERY FRONT. THEIR CONTENT IS UNTOUCHABLE.

[ptotoy]

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

now, tell me how natal will revolutionalize gaming. that's last-gen tech..

now, the ps3 eyetoy has 1 to 1 precission. i'm a FPS fan. i think sony just beat the m/k as the best FPS control scheme. MIND BLOWN.. xbots blow milo

[Arnon]

The Playstation 3 is being outdone by the Playstation 2, let alone the Xbox 360. Fact.

Lets compare, shall we?

Modern Warfare 2 > Assassin's Creed 2. FACT. It will outdo AC2 in every shape, form and figure. Map packs that arrive on the Xbox 360 first lock the fact that it's success will be on the Xbox. Assassin's Creed 2's weapons are irrelevant here.

Winner: Xbox 360. And you know it.

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Shadow Complex. Release date: Fall 2009. As confirmed by EPIC Games. 12 hour campaign, over 120 secret items, and a massive world. Or, Final Fantasy VII. A game that they did nothing to, but release it on the PSN. Which is still pretty cool, but it's still nothing. I have it already.

Winner: Xbox 360. You guys always brag about new IPs.

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Metal Gear Solid: Peacewalker is a Playstation Portable, which benefits the PS3 in no way. So why was this mentioned?

Winner: Tie.

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Avatar Racing vs. Modnation Racers

Winner: None. They both suck. And it's sad you're bragging about such a crappy game haha.

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Rockband is a mass successful game and The Beatles are one of, if not the most successful band in all of history. The exclusive song is also one of their most famous songs in the world. Lost Planet 2 was never confirmed as a Xbox 360 exclusive in the first place. I personally could not care about Rockband either.

Winner: Xbox 360. And you know it.

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Final Fantasy XIV is in limbo of being released as a multi-platform game as said by Square Enix themselves. Final Fantasy XIV is also not part of the main series. Final Fantasy XI: Online did absolutely terrible even though I loved the game. MICROSOFT HOWEVER HAD THE LEAD PRODUCER OF FINAL FANTASY XIII COME OUT AND PLAY IT... ON... 360. FIRST.

Winner: Xbox 360. And you know it.

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Xbox 360:

Halo 3: ODST - Gameplay
Forza Motorsport 3 - Gameplay
Left 4 Dead 2 - Gameplay
Splinter Cell Conviction - Gameplay
Alan Wake - Gameplay
Mass Effect 2 - Gameplay
New Gears of War 2 Expansion (EXPANSION. Not just maps.) - Gameplay
Shadow Complex - Gameplay
Crackdown 2
Halo: Reach

Playstation 3:

God of War 3 - Gameplay
MAG - Gameplay
Uncharted 2 - Already shown
The Last Guardian - Already shown
Agent - NOTHING SHOWN. LOL
Gran Turismo 5 - No gameplay

Winner: Xbox 360. They announced more new exclusives and demoed off more gameplay. And you know it.

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Project Natal: Already being demo'd with hardcore games. It will be used as a hybrid along with the 360 controller. It is already gaining mass praise by critics and fans everywhere since it's announcement, and it's still a year away.

Sony Wand (lol. Cant believe you support this crap): No success. It will have as much praise as the eyetoy which Sony did not market at all. Did not shock the audience. Had no praise at E3 as well. Absolutely terrible. Everyone I've shown it to laughed. Did nothing to improve gameplay. 100% copy of the Wiimote+.

Winner: Xbox 360. And you DAMN WELL KNOW IT.

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Features shown to improve online service:

Xbox 360:

Facebook
Twitter
Last.FM Radio
SKY TV
Retail Games on Demand
Zune Video
Instant 1080p streaming

Sony:

None.

Winner: Xbox 360. Shows how much Sony cares. Guess the PS3 isn't the best media player either, is it?

You know what's so funny about this? Is that I own all the consoles. I could care less which is better because I don't NEED to. I know you only own a PS3. And the only reason you even support it is because you bought it over everything else. It isn't difficult to see this. You know what's even more funny. You just bragged about DLC. I thought DLC was stupid and that it's the only thing a Xbox 360 owner can enjoy. What's wrong? Running out of ideas?

EDIT:

"Mag and R&C both have 2009 release dates they were confirmed by the developers on the G4 E3 shows"

No. Pretty sure that after they got off stage, they just said "Hope to see you there!". The ONLY game that was confirmed was God of War 3. Notice that even when Uncharted 2 came up, they said nothing about the date? Why would they do that?

Also, tell me these 36 exclusive Playstation THREE games. Bet you cant.

[AngryTypingGuy]

Can someone please help Montreafart get a girl?

"Delusional xbot, your console is going to fail and you know it." -- The 360 has already passed with flying colors - well, except in the reliability department, but hey, who's counting? Seriously, no matter how much you have a personal hatred for MS, which I don't know why anyone would have such a rage for a faceless company, you have to acknowledge the success the 360 has had.

This generation the 360 has sold more hardware and software than the PS3, has helped to significantly shrink their marketshare, and has produced the highest selling exclusive in history, Halo 3. Not to mention, like the PS3 has had many quality games.

[Kill Crow]

at all the sony fans who bring up the mountain of PSP exclusives when comparing exclusives against the 360 ... seriously ... why not add PS2 exclusives to that list too ... we all know PS3 ain't got anything to stand on ....

and bubbles for Arnon that's the best shoot down ever !!!

[Sez]

bubble to you dude. that was the best ownage i saw on this site yet. i don't know if you where looking to hurt feelings. but you have acheived your goal. bubbles + again.

[theKiller]

i agree with u mostly specially that MS are the biggest liars ever, but i dont agree with u that the bots should fear ps3 in 2011,i think the new xbox will be released by then and the current 360 will be dead.

[tehReaper]

LOL @ Montreafart

Wow, that was quite possibly the funniest thing I've seen on N4G in a while. A rabid PS3 fanboy declared victory by spouting nothing but bullshit. Then a sensible gamer ripped the fanboy a new hole by countering every single bit of his nonsense.

+Bubble Arnon

[AngryTypingGuy]

Wow Arnon, you really ripped him a new one. Nice going!

[vagisil]

sony trying again to copy the wii and nintendo

lets see for the sony loyalist with their disagrees, in 2006 nintendo released the wii, it has a motion controller, so how is this "better" than that? sony has done nothing but copy this gen.

achievements/ trophies
motion controller/ nintendo wii
trying to copy lives online features/ xbox live

see so many things i can say that sony has copied, keep disagreeing sony fuktards

[MGOelite]

they have copied and improved massivily the wiis tech lol its better than microsoft who copied the miis then just left it like that lol

[maverick1191]

could say the same with natal copying PSEye

[Gue1]

Don't forget about how Forza copied Gran Turismo (the Devs themselves say it on an interview, look for it around LoL) or the rip-off that is Lips from Sing Stars.

Maybe we should talk about how MS copied the double analog schemes from the PSX controller... mmmmm What else?

Oh yeah Natal! The rip-off from the PS Eye!

PS2 eye toy (some boxing game) = http://www.youtube.com/watc...

PS3 eye pet = http://www.youtube.com/watc...

and there's more, just look around on youtube or google...

[Oner]

Can someone please explain (with proof) how Sony "copied" Ninty? Because all information I have seen, read and found shows Sony had this a LONG time ago with the EyeToy since easliy 2002. Here is a re-repost ~

"The EyeToy was originally devised by Dr. Richard Marks, who had the idea of connecting a web camera to a PlayStation 2 and using it as a peripheral to play video games. The idea of using cameras in games was not new, as it was previously used in many arcade games and toys such as the Game Boy Camera and the Dreameye digital camera for the Sega Dreamcast, the latter of which affected the development of the EyeToy; however, with the resolution of modern cameras and the processing power of the PlayStation 2 new ideas were possible that were not achievable on the Game Boy. The idea was taken up by SCE London Studio, ****who showed a concept in 2002**** with four games"

Source ~ http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...

Here are some additional videos showing how Natal does't do anything more than what the EyeToy already has done and show that the inclusion/implementation of a controller was set along time ago as well ~

http://www.youtube.com/watc...
http://www.youtube.com/watc...
http://www.youtube.com/watc...
http://www.youtube.com/watc...

Now just add this old video to the mix http://www.youtube.com/watc... and it shows even more capabilities that the PS Eye can do RIGHT NOW....So lets use our imagination for a second ~ this plus the motion control would make a pretty damned good FPS experience with technology Sony has innovated with since 2002 (7 YEARS AGO!). Here is a more complete version of what the controller may look like http://ps3.kombo.com/articl...

[tehReaper]

First of all Sony didn't copy anything. Sony has always been interested in motion control. Nintendo were just the first ones to get out a finished product.

Second of all, achievements were a great addition to 360's features but this would have been done in some form later on by any of the 3 companies. Again, they were the first ones to implement it perfectly.

Third of all Natal isn't the same as the Eyetoy. Seriously guys, comparing a sensor that's running it's own PROCESSOR with proprietary software to a simple supped up webcamera is ridiculous. Yes the Eyetoy works but just only. Microsoft seems to be VERY interested in technology like this. What happened the last time Microsoft was interested? Oh yeah, they joined the console races and in their second generation implemented a HD console with advanced online features before anyone else did(yes, RROD came to be but MS extended the warranty). You'll see the potential Natal has when they release the final product. I mean, E3 was just the beginning. A visual goal. If they can eventually match what we saw with Milo and make it a reality, how amazing is that?

[Antan]

"Victoy" ...Huh? this a new Eyetoy?

[San Frandisco]

shht, the ONLY reason why natal is the highlight and sony's Motion controler isnt is becouse sony's acually WORKS and everyone knows it... but natal ifar from perfecting wut they claim it can do.

Its nothing new to everything sony puts out works perfect and seemlessly.. and insted of SHOWING FOOTAGE or it"working",sony acually showed it ON STAGE presentation of the prototype.

M$ needs help to deliver,however sony delivers off the bat.

[Eamon]

The only presentation that was shown behind doors was Milo.

This shows that you didn't watch MS conference and you are a blatant fanboy.

They did show off Natal live on the conference with that Ricochet game

[mfwahwah]

Yeah but everything natal does has been done with the EyeToy. Except Milo. Which was shown behind closed doors. Why? Because it was faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aake.

[Tarasque]

@San
Yep just like them showing what was suppose to be actualy game footage of killzone2 that every PS3 noober bought into.

@mfwahwah
Ahhh sweet, i have a pseye let me know what game's or dash has voice recognition. Also i didnt know that burnout paradise i can hold my hands up like i am driving and steer the car on the ps3.

[mfwahwah]

@5.3

Ok so voice recognition is the highlight of the show or something? My phone has voice recognition. Singstar, Rockband, and Guitar Hero have voice recognition. Applied differently but it's not a far stretch in my eyes.

[baodeus]

Why is the PS3 motion control still in prototype stage, i have seen this since 2008. Check this video. Look familiar?

http://www.engadget.com/200...

[mfwahwah]

"but a company called Sixense might have leapfrogged the field with a system called TrueMotion 3D."

Sony is building the one at E3. Sixense made the one in your link. That's what I gathered.

[ak1200]

Sonys Tech demo won for me , my fatbody on a 42 bravia waving a light sabar

[Godmars290]

All around, this was a good convention. The first in a few years. THAT should be the story, not the petty fanboy BS that's taken over the industry.

[callahan09]

I 100% fully, whole-heartedly, completely agree with you.

[San Frandisco]

Thats fanboys for ya :)
"there can only be one"-fanboyz

[Struz]

Yay. I've been feeling this way ever since the Sony E3 conference. Good to see others thinking like me.

[ultimolu]

Someone with common sense!

Games are coming out for gamers. That's what matters. This recession is a pain in the backside but I am still getting NGS 2 and Uncharted 2.

[Eamon]

So who won:

The gamers won.
Halo ODST, Halo Reach, SC Conviction, Alan Wake, L4D2, Forza 3, GT5, ACII, Uncharted 2, Final Fantasy XIII, Metal Gear Solid: Rising, The Last Guardian, God of War III, Modern Warfare 2.

Who Lost:
The fanboys, because they can only play half of the list above or less.

[mastiffchild]

No. We lost. We always do. the whole thing is a massive press junket where stuff that could easily have been shown/revealed in other ways is ferried to Vegas with half the gaming industry in tow, huge screens and sets are put up, celebs pointlessly flown in-and all at the expense of us and future games.

God! How much must it cost and here we are thinking that someone can "win" this thing? Gamers agree on NOTHING let alone being open minded enough to fairly judge a winner of a contest with NO QUANTIFIABLE WAY of it being won.

Plus, how many real surprise games were there? Very, very few things were shown that we didn't know of or couldn't have guessed at-in fact on that score Ninty did best.

I'm sorry, I know I sound like a miserable old git but every year I fool myself into thinking E3 will be great and I'm just tired of the conspicuous waste of it all. I'd rather MS made more 1st party games and Sony made a frikkin advert now and again sao people know they have done. Only people like us watch E3 and we're the vast minority-truth is its a big expense that very few people really see or care about. The sad thing is the console makers are buying into the BS about "victories" and only crave the kudos this dubious honour might bring.

I'm just glad it's over.

[kesvalk]

it's dificult to have a common sense-based comment here on N4G

have a bubble...

on topic: how can someone "Win" a Exposition? there isn't a way to see who won this whole mess...

i hate gaming journalism...

[LightofDarkness]

That is the most ridiculous title to an article I've ever read. It immediately diminishes any credibility the article ever had. It sounds like war-time propaganda, for god's sake. It may as well have come in a Sony press release, but unfortunately for these idiots, Sony would have actually had more tact. Why was this approved? There's even a spelling mistake in the headline...

[get2sammyb]

Yes, apologies for the typo. As they say - "less haste, more speed".

[dan_chan89]

I'm a little skeptical on this whole thing but it could work.

[bigjclassic]

The only difference between Sony motion and Motion+, is that the PSeye can make the PS3 wand an actual on screen 3D object. As well, as take nice picture of the player.

But with the nunchuck, the Wii does not have to use a camera to make the Wiimote a 3D object in a game. Play Twilight Princess, Link used the wiimote for actions, and the nunchuck for movement. And it works fine.

But the trick with the PS3 wand, is how will they be able to give players freedom of movement, without making things difficult to the player?

[TrooGamer]

Depends on the game mate, i was thinking Demon Souls 2 with the motion control options.

[LeonSKennedy4Life]

Well...

Microsoft made it look like Natal was pretty much ready to sell. That's why people liked Natal.

They showed off voice and facial recognition...both of which the PS Eye would have no trouble with if Sony created an app/software for that. Sony just needs to get there before Microsoft does.

[The Lazy One]

Facial recognition should be a little bit more accurate with natal. It senses 3D space, not a 3D aproximation of a 2D space. Where you could hold a picture of someone's face up with the eye, natal could, in theory, tell that the face was flat, and not even sense it as a face.

[San Frandisco]

HAHA NATAL is Teh future you say??

i think this is wuts everyone's afraid of::::>

[eagle21]

like Jack said, "Sony was the FIRST to introduce motion controls in the market"!

take your uninformed xbot butts to youtube...search eye toy kinetic (nike sponsored workout motion fitness game for ps2) and all types of other eye toy games!!

[cereal_killa]

eagle21 please we all know originality and innovation didn't start until M$ released it according to the fanboys.

[Dick0]

why there in 3rd place

[MGOelite]

sales doesnt dictate who is the industry leader...

[Death2494]

Microsoft, obviously, rushed it's product to the market. It was the ONLY console you could buy in 2005. People were just anxious to get next gen tech in their hands. Sony didn't help with it's 600 price tag. Microsoft had a 10 million lead and since then that lead has only dwindled.

[Arnon]

"sales doesnt dictate who is the industry leader..."

It doesn't? If Sony is in 3rd, how exactly can it 'lead' the competition? Microsoft markets one thing, and it outdoes everything on the PS3, as we've already seen. How can the Playstation 3 be the industry leading console when the Playstation 2 has more success than it?

[jeseth]

Enjoy that Ford.

LOL.

[cereal_killa]

AHHHHH SALES the only thing you 360Muppet's have left.

[Oner]

@ Those playing the "numbers" game ~

Really now? Care to run the numbers again...because SONY (key word here capitalized) has 3 consoles on the market PSP, PS2 & PS3 and SONY is NOT in last place last I checked ;)

[Amplitude]

You're a dumb@ss... Are you trying to tell me that sales makes everything better?
Well, in that case the wii is the best console. And i haven't bought a single game for that thing since Smash Bros. It also means that standard definition TVs are better than HDTVs, Monster is better than Monoprice, PCs are better than macs, tap water is better than bottled water, the PSP fat is better than the PSP-3000, Halo 3 is better than every game ever (LMFAO), etc etc.

Sales mean NOTHING AT ALL. Some people buy sh!tty cheap crap (X-Box 360, Samsung Instinct, Hitachi TVs, etc), and some people buy good quality items for a price (PS3, iPhone, Bravias, etc). Sales do nothing. At all....
Why the **** is that so hard to understand for these X-Box fanboys? That's all they ever talk about anymore.
Stfu about your sales. THEY ARE POINTLESS.

[DelbertGrady]

Motion penis ftw!

[OmarJA]

I knew you would like it...

I'll buy you two.

[Godmars290]

Does this mean that PS3 and Wii owners are going to get into sword fights...

[ASSASSYN 36o]

Sony phallic symbol.

[tiamat5]

Microsoft exaggerated a lot. I doubt they will get this out any time soon. Sony's wand looks more viable and Sony has more experience with the Eyetoy then Microsoft has with Natal. Also game companies have already made games for Eyetoy already. Who says that it will be that easy to create games for Natal especially from third party developers? It has to be properly integrated and understood or else it won't work properly. So how long before Microsoft works out the bugs,developers understand how it works and integrate it with their games and Microsoft convinces people to buy it. I would say 2015 at the least. By that time Sony or Nintendo will probably figure out how to play games without the game system.

[MajesticBeast]

Sony has been hard at work with this stuff since the ye toy they knew the no button controlls wouldnt work if you have seen some of sony there tech demos on this subject you pretty much know they can beat the ntal out of the gates.

[Nexy]

The Wii-mote ripoff sent any fierce message? Really?

That's funny. The only fierce messages are those from those who keep trying to diminish Natal's huge impact. SONY's wand is much too late and much too unoriginal to make any difference.

[cereal_killa]

But M$ EyeToy rip off isn't "a been there done that" what world are you living in you seem to claim everything that M$ comes out with is original please wake up from LA LA land or stop huffing paint either way I think you need to face reality in a whole new way.

[MajesticBeast]

What i found is funny when watching the celebs with natal there is 1 huge ass pc next to the devkit and the normal 360 so pretty much everything is run from that pc unlike the tech demo for the ps3 which was all on 1 ps3 no devkits no huge ass pcs.

[TrooGamer]

@ Spoony

Granted but by the time this gets released the PS3 will be cheaper as well so it wont be much more that the wii remote and nunchuk

[ArcticWolfUK]

the wand looks really great, its more stable and accurate than the wii mote, and has alot more possibilities if its done right

i just want it have an analogue stick so your able to move your guy around the screen, imagine using it for a shooting game? seriously it could be amazing.

i would compare it to xbox's eye toy but that'll fail lol
its just an upgraded version of the ps2's eye toy tbh and that wasnt fun

[Arnon]

Lol you keep thinking that.

[IWentBrokeForGaming]

better looking Wii expierence with ease...

But MS is showing next-gen motion controls, shouldn't need controlers!

That's the catch... not that hard to see!

[mirroredderorrim]

I'm highly skeptical of motion controls, but...

If Sony is successful, I can see them pulling off TRUE motion controls and then, maybe some of the casuals will snub Wii for the more powerful PS3.

It's crazy that Sony was not given the credit that was due.
I noticed the success of the Wii before release, now I notice this as a possible eclipse of that success, simply because the games are just that much better, visually and overall in terms of production and replay value.

Give a PS3 game, say... like R2 some motion controls and I believe things can change. Some people could get better at it while some people would be worse, I suppose.

Same with Natal, let's not leave that controversy without thought; As it seems, part of the presentation was faked(?) Even so, if the basics are at least true, I can see this as a complimentary alternative to the conventional way of playing games, not something to replace it. (lol)

People get in such an uproar over this stuff, because.. well.. we all want our console to have the best and most games, to justify our purchase, it's just some of us don't even realize that, because we're blinded by our passion in such a way, it blinds us from what matters.

The fun, the escape from everyday life. (again, not a replacement for Life, just an escape)

I'm getting offtopic, but.. my point is, I can see room for all 3 a$$hole$, but it will be interesting, after this E3, so see who's motion tech will be the most precise and the most well received in terms of Developers and Consumers.

Price will play a big part in moving this tech, and as Nintendo has already proven, Price + motion controls = move consoles... moving consoles is an understatement, hell, the mother fkcers probably have dimensional gates linked to a world that is enslaved to continuously manufacture Wii's.

[TrooGamer]

Price is key

If Sony have tis out with a £199.99 PS3 even if the Wii is cheaper people will look to the PS3 due to the other things that come with the machine.

[Ninjamonkey]

As long as this motion control does not mean sony puts less effort into hardcore games, Im fine with it...

If they put it into shooters and stuff, I'll be very happy =D (as long as theres still the option for a controller)

[silverchode]

at least its real

[patterson]

I'll stick to my PS3 controller. If I wanted a Wii, I would've bought one by now.

Same goes for NATAL = meh

[gamingisnotacrime]

Natal looks like a promising future (lots of dreamers). It was a let down that MS did not have an on stage demo of a practical game with Natal.

PS3 Motion Control is more about right now availability to use in current games. At least is more believable than natal, is a improved Wii, and the Wii mote has proven that it has the potential to be used in real games.

[ak1200]

With sonys motion controls and tech being similar to wii ,maybe we will also get the sort of great games the wii has had from 3rd party developers on tha PS3 in snazzy 1080p. even more great games is no bad thing

[dogmeat eater]

If there actually precise. For FPS games motion controls are just useless. Sony seems to be going for the precise motion controls. So maybe they can come up with something really good. But I still hate motion controls.

[dogmeat eater]

There the biggest gimmicks in the gaming industry. Its the main reason I hate the wii. Well you people can have fun waving your arms in the air like retards. While I just use my controller. Its times like this when I actually enjoy pc gaming. PC gaming doesn't have huge gimmicks like this. Sony/MS/Nintendo, stop this motion control doodie.

[ak1200]

Dont fully agree the wii has some of the most fun games ive played in ages its main downfall is the appeal, lost were i think most of these gimmick add ons fail. The only thing of interest with natel is how you can control the dashboard and voice regognition this can be added to ps3 firmware update alond with the eye

[ikral]

This actually looks pretty good, i hope developers use their imagination when makin this kind of games.

[OGharryjoysticks]

Motion control without the wand is going to be shallow so I thought before the Microsoft camera comes out they will have a controller. For starters, 3rd party games aren't going to be that similar if one has a precise input device and the other lobs gobs of paint with minimal accuracy. But more than precision, there has to be a trigger or button, so I was guessing that MS would need a controller. But Sony now has the patent on the motion controller feeding off the 3D camera so I don't know if it's going to be that simple.

[ASSASSYN 36o]

I am sure you can use two cheap diffrent colored plastic sticks with natal and pull off the same funtionality. The natal allegedly could distinguish between two people with facial recognition. If it can be set to identifiy two sticks and their proximity then the same can be accomplished.

[ULTIMATE_REVENGE]

I think you're missing the point here, this new controller is way better then the Wii's motion controller & plus it still has so much research and development time left before it launches to the public. I got the feeling that the finale product will be slimmer and the ball will be way smaller then what we've seen, also the ball will probably be covered with a tinted see-through plastic or a clear one.

[patterson]

No I get it. And yes it's a better Wii controller, but this is not the type of gaming experience I'm looking for. I recognize a lot of people like this kind of thing (look at Wii sales), but no, this is not for me is all I'm saying.

[Shnazzyone]

He is calling victory for Sony a bit prematurely... we don't even know if a single game will use this tech... tech that mind you... isn't included with the system. Also it is unlikely it will make it to market for over a year. By then... how do we know nintendo wont have some sort of crazy new gaming idea with a beefier machine that will make their motion addition seem like a flash in the pan?

Maybe you can give the title to sony for most impressive tech demo involving motion controlls... but saying their tech means that somehow they have suddenly won the war in making motion controls happen in gaming... is premature to say the least.

[ASSASSYN 36o]

Sweet vid.

[Socomer 1979]

Sony was thrown a pitch & knocked out a homerun at the stadium.

Microsoft showed a fake highlight reel of pretending hitting a grand slam.

Big difference.

The dodgeball game looked fun though & so did shooting arrows & swordsmanship on ps3. If Sony releases bushido blade online with the device I will swallow my pride & practice.

Microsoft could have left it at natal & be equal to Sony thus leaving the gaming community to decide but they overreached & bullsh1tted everyone with milo. Seriously, where's the love for the eyepet?
In the tech demo of milo the lady scanned a picture she drew & milo did nothing with it. Cut to the pond they said.
The eyepet is working. Look it up on YouTube.

Thanks to Morganfell of reminding me of Sonys booth where kotaku showed a working game called TANK AQUARIUM. The devs drew on paper, drew a red dot, scanned it & you had a shooting tank game with a moving turret. That's real. It's at Sony. Nobody but kotaku made 3 paragraphs about it.

Ask yourselves why are people kept in the dark about playstation 3?
It's obvious & it doesn't matter because you either are a gamer & you'll find out or you're a casual who doesn't know any better. We can blame the media all year but it's still sonys job to present & represent. They are comfortable I guess .

[Lookbehind]

It looks like the wand worked flawlessly for the demo.Not the dudes fault he has no hand to eye co-ordination.

[Socomer 1979]

Sony is ps2,psp & ps3.
Ps2 & psp have new released games & is still on the market.
No one is matching sony's success.

Ps3 maybe 3rd if you ignore everything else but that makes you a xbutt.
Fckn stupid & the media backs that kind of delusion.

Console sales : Sony # 1
get it thru your thick skulls.

[Rip-Ridah]

Amongst all the constant bickering between everyone, it is misguided (just a nice word for stupid) to say that "Sony" is in last place. How can that be possible when "Sony" has three active consoles on the market that surpass the 200 MILLION units sold mark?! When one of the consoles isn't presented at E3 or another major gaming event, it will then be ok to ignore said console. The "PS3" may be in third place by the numbers, but certainly not "Sony."

[xg-ei8ht]

Look at it like this.

Natal - forward thinking and clever, but not very practical for most games.

Sony's motion controller - More precise then nintendo, while being alot more practical then Natal.

Overall SONY'S was better.

[xc7x]

Microsoft's set up best for exercise gaming / Sony's set up best for action-shooting games / Nintendo's set up for kiddie gaming.

[winlonghorn]

I have to say that I don't mind the motion controls at all. It is the fact that in most of the games on the wii, they take away the challenge. What they need is to have something to supplement the motion controls in order to maintain that "hardcore challenge" in gaming for some while giving the option to make it easy for others. Through the magic of software, the above is very possible! In fact, Nintendo is already working on it.

They are trying to create a system where you can jump through a game like a movie on a dvd. Then, there will be the option to play through the game like you normally would. The first option apparently is for the new gamers. I think the best option overall is to get new gamers to the status of core gamers. That is what would be best for all. Lure them in with ease of use and then gradually provide them with the option for higher difficulty levels.

After all, the idea is to make them "gamers" isn't it? To me, gaming is not gaming if the industry changes over to "only" casual games. There has to be a challenge to get people to think and solve puzzles at some point. I grew up gaming my whole life and I know what it is to play a challenging game and enjoy doing it. I just miss the fact that the industry seems to have shifted away from true core games like Mario and Zelda.

One final thing that I have to say is that those that weren't gamers didn't give it a try because the software wasn't what they wanted. However, Nintendo has now given them plenty of what they wanted and they should at least "try" and learn to enjoy the other games. Gaming is about immersive experiences and great stories, not only cooking and gardening tips (although, they are nice complements to core games if core gaming is not lost).

Anyway, sorry for the rant there. I just wanted to really explain how I feel about the situation. I really miss the days of Mario and Zelda on the NES. Remember this Nintendo! Those are what made me a gamer to begin with! I like challenges! :)

[level 360]

Got nothing against this, it will have a big use and advantage on some games of course.

And I like variety.

[Ps_alm3k]

Sony's Edge is: More accurate, Better Graphics, More 1st party = more games for it's usage.
So if this comes out with a price cut, then damm ps3 will own and you can deny it if you want fangirls but
its only truth.

[Run_bare]

I have to agree with the writer of this article, SONY is the only one with the real purpose controller to show potential. The Microsoft Natal looks fake, or is it juts me ??

[Midgard228]

that even tho they have these motion sensing things, its OPTIONAL, wii most of the time completley focus's on that crap which make games crap in my opinion only, i said MINE, sure sometimes it worked but honestly i like it better without the motion crap.

im gonna be upset if demon blade muramasa is motion controlled....PLZ DONT BE!!!

i know on my ps3 or 360 its optional, heck i will never buy an eye toy, and never get the Natal but its out there for people who have console already.

i dont even like sixaxis unless its a side thing, like way its used in metal gear, uncharted, heavenly, killzone and little big planet. those games dont over use it and are still enjoyable.

[GarandShooter]

Flower uses SixAxis exclusively and it works great. It's all about the implementation.

[OhReginald]

RAAAWWRRRR!!!

[krouse93]

This thing is truly the most amazing motion control technology I have ever seen

[AngryTypingGuy]

The wands will produce a great experience, especially with their accuracy.

But why is it Sony fans are bashing Natal? Surely they must recognize the potential for not having to use any peripherals whatsoever and being able to use your entire body, head-to-toe. I can't think of what it might be...oh yeah, that's right, jealousy.

To all Sony fans bashing Natal...if it were Sony that presented Project Natal, you KNOW that you would all be saying how groundbreaking it is. Stop kidding yourselves and pretending you wouldn't, because we all know the truth. You can all disagree and deny it, and I won't even argue back, because there's no need for me to...we all know the truth. But to be perfectly fair, if it were MS who did the wands, then MS fans would be saying how awesome they are. I guess that's just the nature of fanboys.

"Natal is fake, smoke and mirrors". -- Yeah, that's it. MS must be getting our hopes and anticipation up so they can let us all down, piss us off and drive us over to Sony. That's it! Why didn't I think of that before, it's all so clear!

360 fans have a good reason to smirk, because we all know Natal will be awesome.

[condorstrike]

Wand Technology............lol

Ironic: 2+ years of putting the Wii down and it all comes down to who's gonna take a share of Wii's market by copying Nintendo's business structure, that's selling to casual gamers for you who live in Rio Linda.
And by selling motion Control rip-offs, Microsoft not so much, but Sony and it's fan_boys who said Microsoft would rip-off Nintendo's Tech, and It was Sony doing it all along.

Not based on Console owners and fans, but all of you fan-boys should be ashamed; ashamed that the company you praise and swear by has give you the reach-around, and ashamed for putting down Nintendo Fans.

[knightoftears]

I was waaaaaaaaaay more impressed with Sony's showing then with M$'. The pin point accuracy and over all presentation of Sony's was better. No smoke and mirrors, it was a WYSIWYG experience and it will only get better. Everyone makes references to them copying the Wii, well, someone had to start it, and now someone has improved on it. It happens with millions of products everyday (Zune copies iPod more or less but adds features) but nobody seems to care about those. Nobody wants motion control because they are lazy, and using it requires effort and actually doing something rather then lifting a hot pocket and pressing buttons. I for one can't wait to see the improvements to the technology in the near furture.

[kaveti6616]

It's not as if I'm going to fall in love with motion controllers any time soon, but seeing what Sony is able to do with the technology is still a good thing.

But ultimately it all depends on how the devs will implement it. If Sony so desires, they can ask Naughty Dog or Insomniac or any one of their prestigious devs to take some time and make a great game using motion controllers, and I don't doubt for a second that they would be able to do it.

With Natal, we need to discern what is reality and what is just good marketing. After a few days of reflection, I have to say that what MS showed us with that tech was a clever illusion. We need to find out what is actually going on with it, and not just some articles from would-be journalists who went behind closed doors and came out and said how amazed they were without further explanation.

[Condemnedman]

How do you know its marketing ? give it a rest and stop following the nasayers . lets see how it pans out before you think you know how it works because i don't think you was at that demonstration , were you?

[kaveti6616]

But there were some discrepancies about the presentation that made me question it. And btw, if I were there I would still be watching a trailer, so what difference does it make if I wasn't there. Aside from the girl performing at the demo, there was little else of the Natal which was running in full time. Peter Molyneaux was just waxing philosophical about the future of gaming. I'm not going to take his word for it. I am certainly not saying Natal will be a failure. I am saying that we have to wait before we call it a success or a failure.

[Condemnedman]

You guys moaning about wi gaming generation , you do realise its optional YOU don't have to use it , All the companies are doing is trying to get more customers buying their products . When i tried tennis on the wi i loved it ,i didn't buy one but i nearly got my wallet out . Stop crying it will only benefit you

[Matpan]

In the eyes of john doe, sony´s controller is the same as the wii (but wii having a wider library) while MS might be offering something new. And I mean the john doe that bought the wii as their main gaming console and is not a long time gamer (just a casual gaming dude). Even though, both MS and SOny won´t likely boost their sales greatly with these techs. Not at leas this gen. Wii has already cattered that audience and continue to do so.

[Rowsdower]

if in the time it took from the first showing of Killzone 2 to the day of its release, E3 2005 to feb. 2009, Milo looks anything like the what MS showed then I would call that a success and innovation. If not then boo hoo. Oh yeah this title sucks, it implies that Nintendo and MS both assumed victory, when it was only MS, Nintendo is already victorious, they have had two horrible E3 showings in a row and yet they are still the most successful this generation. To my eyes this console generation is one for the history books, the most powerful console is in last place and the least powerful is in first by multi millions. Something to think about as you complain about gimmicks. Oh yeah ever been to a car show, car companies always show prototypes of vehicles that dont really work to give you an idea of their vision of the future, so the whole Project Natal thing does not strike me as a big deal. Hey people, where did you get that rage.

[kesvalk]

i thought that you guys said that motion control was a fad...

yea right...

i think it read more like this then: "motion control is a fad WHEN it's not on my beloved console..."

guys... stop being fanboys -_- it's not good for your health...

[Shadowstar]

Well, I would go with "it's not a fad when it's been proven and everyone realizes they have to get with the program." Nintendo proved it was something people wanted, and not just for a year. *shrug*

You were right, we were wrong. You're really gonna sing the "I was right" song?

Man, some people are bad winners. (haha, yeah, I know almost all gamers are.)

[artsaber]

Now it is possible, with the combined graphical power of the PS3 and this type of control with it, FINALLY it is POSSIBLE to make a game WORTHY of being a FPS style lightsaber game.

For example I can see: Hold down the X button and swing to with the controller to watch your force guided lightsaber be thrown into the distance ahead, all awhile controlling its movements by moving your wand.

Make this game yesterday please... bring on the Rancor and Yeti fights. Or we can just bring back Nintendo's Glove, did anyone here own that thing? lol

[bjornbear]

If i'm going motion controls, i rather have controls. I don't really buy into the Natal trick. I find it awkward "pretending" to do something without any physical reference...but thats just me =)

Thats why to ME this is the best out of the 3, because Natal to me is js awkward =S its more casual too by the looks of it, and probably gona be WAY more expensive. Good marketing as "the future of gaming"

remember the power glove? http://www.youtube.com/watc...

;)