New Scientist talks about Microsoft's 'Natal' and the progression of motion capture and speech recognition technology.
this is so far beyond video games ... its scary ... read the article ... lip movement sensing technology ?.. that could be a pain coz of all the languages ... and since this is targetting more to social gamers ... the background noise can be problomatic for the voice recognition... wonder what they are going to do to solve that issue ... theres obviously a lot of work in progress here .. but if they can get around and figure out these little things ... this could indeed be something amazing
I think thats why so many people are hating on it because it could change gaming as we know it and Microsoft will be leading the way.
Everyone at first is always going be skeptical about something like this. I was, but still there`s no true demo yet. So maybe when there`s a demo (and have everything that it was said to be said to be in natal) then maybe it will be more accepted.
This is going to change gaming forever just wait!
... its really an understandable reaction ... my jaw was literally on the floor when i was watching this live ... skepticism is really an inevitible reaction for someting this ambitious
if someone can explain to me how you play a fps with natal i will support it, i dont want to take my hands of the controller to throw a frag or summat like ive said before its massivily impressive but useless for gaming. i could see it implemented into a museam customer services station or summat like that
Im wondering same thing it remains a blank so far. Could be with controller could be a different control scheme. Hopefully will find out soon.
Yeah we here at MS never rlly even saw or heard this um ? what was it ? oh yeah this ps eye ur talking about so?
Maybe with Xbox 720, they can come out with this thing and get it going.
They could develop a Wiimote for this tech in no time, this is solid tech ahead of its time.
natal is a huge success, do you really think Sony and Nintendo will just sit there? No, of course not, they will release something very similar but with more features, like MS and Sony copying the Wii. COMPETITION IS GOOD! MS haven't won the motion sensing wars yet...
OMG ....Project Natal is nothing more than a damn eye toy just with added voice and body recognition. Lets get serious
Natal -RGB camera -Depth Sensor -Multi-Array Microphone -Custom Processor Running Proprietary Software The Project Natal sensor's microphone array enables the Xbox 360 to conduct acoustic source localization and ambient noise suppression, allowing for things such as headset-free party chat over Xbox Live. The depth sensor consists of an infrared projector combined with a monochrome CMOS sensor, and allows the Project Natal sensor to see in 3D under any lighting conditions Project Natal is reportedly based on software technology developed internally by Microsoft (gesture recognition, skeletal mapping, facial recognition, voice recognition) and hardware technology acquired by time-of-flight camera developer 3DV Systems. Before agreeing to sell all its assets in March 2009. The custom processor doing all the hard work which leaves the core to get on with the games based stuff. EYETOY is primitive dude in comparison. Get over it. The relentless pesstimistic criticism and the "ME TOO" or "SONY HAS THAT" or "THIS IS STUPID IT WONT WORK" is proof people know Microsoft is on to something AND will put them ahead of the game. Microsoft could develop a Wiimote accessory for Natal in no time and better than the competition.
"if someone can explain to me how you play a fps with natal i will support it, i dont want to take my hands of the controller to throw a frag or summat" "like ive said before its massivily impressive but useless for gaming. i could see it implemented into a museam customer services station or summat like that" -MGOelite -uhm, so you really didn't want to know if its possible for fps because you already have come to the conclusion that its "useless for gaming", I mean why are you reading this news if you "dont want to take my hands of the controller", lol are you serious? Here I'll just explain it from one of my previous posts on the subject: The game begins with the camera mapping your location/distance while you do nothing more than sit in a set position on your couch=(All of this is performed by the ingame character while SITTING comfortably on your couch>>>>Turorial Begins: Game requires you to pick up a virtual weapon shown on screen>>>>You reach out grab it and hold it with your hands down relaxed comfortably with your forearms on your lap, holding a imaginary weapon same as you would do with a controller, it recognizes your hand position, the aiming point/sights for your weapon is now all you see on screen just as you would in any FPS=Wherever you fingers/hands point is where your WEAPON IS AIMED/FIRED.////Raise both feet naturally up and down twice, then stop=Ingame charachter WALKS FORWARD instantly and keeps doing so even WITHOUT you still moving your feet>>>>Lightly Stomp left foot=Ingame charachter STOPS WALKING>>>>Raise both feet naturally up at and down at a faster pace, then stop=Ingame charachter RUNS forward instantly and keeps doing so even without you still moving your feet>>>>Lightly Stomp your left foot=Ingame charachter STOPS RUNNING.//// While walking or running: Leaning slighty left or right controls the direction in which you move>>>>Turning your torso quickly=Ingame character FACING/TURNING AROUND>>>>Head movement to left or right, up or down=Ingame character LOOKS IN ANY DIRECTION.////Lift both feet off the floor quickly=Ingame charachter JUMPS>>>>Combined with running=Ingame charachter LEAPS FORWARD(over obstacles)>>>>Lean forward=CROUCH/DUCK>>&am p;am p;am p;gt ;Reach behind your back=CHANGE WEAPONS>>>>Swing your right forearm forward=MELEE ATTACK. BAMM! FPS controls with Natal. I could keep going but as you can see with just a little imagination these controls are very much possible, sure it takes a little more effort on the gamers part, rather than pushing buttons but by nature "motion controls" require you to move your body,(ask sony) but it doesn't have to be nearly as an exhaustive experience as you think, the alternative is just sticking with standard controllers, thats up to you= All of this could be done by the making subtle movements sitting right on the couch, NOT flailing all around crazy as we see with many wii games....as I described previously Natal will recognize when you begin to move your feet and instantly walk but its not like you need to do it continously keep walking to make your character move. Finally once Natal's full body detection is optimized and built from the ground up into any game, there's still the easy part of also having option of using a standard 360 controllers, for those rough work days. Natal has some sophisticated tech like monitoring complex algorithms to figure out human motion and a 3D space mapping system, voice/face recognition and works in very low light etc....its not a 2D Eyetoy. JOY edit: I love to see exactly why whoever hit disagree's believes this isn't possible. Damm, just imagine a Gears of War 4, where with just a quick flick of my wrist my chainsaw is revved up and cuting some poor mofo in half. Sa-weet!
Its bad enough Sony fanboys are in a killing frenzy but now the Nintendo fanboys smell blood as well-for obvious reasons.
Just an observation: Nintendo had the problem and the anger of many gamers complaining about moving their arms to play a game.... now Microsoft wants the gamers to move their entire body to play? well... now it's time to check if there is some kind of racism against the Japanese products with this, Gamers complain about moving, but they will not with Microsoft about moving even more because it's and "American" idea.
I've noticed this too. If Sony or Nintendo does something, it's ridiculous or waste of time but when Microsoft does it, the media and sheeps goes on and on about how it's the greatest idea/revolutionary it is. The sad part is people buy it. http://g4tv.com/thefeed/blo... Natal really isn't anything special and don't give me the BS that it has facial/voice recognition. That's just software. The PS3 Eye has depth perception, if you don't believe me, go try some of the PS3 Eye screen saver thingy and look at past tech demos. The PS3 Eye also has multiple tracking which is demonstrated many times before.
At least from my perspective, 1 Nintendo for the most part is only making "casual experiences" that do not cater to hardcore gamers like myself, just look at 95% of nintendo games for proof. Second wii, controls are all about wild over-exaggerated exhaustive movements, I think thats exactly how nintendo wants it too since that looks more fun to casuals in TV commercials than playing a normal traditional game where basicly its more about thinking/strategy gameplay mix. This is alot more sophisticated in the control area, and most any game if done correctly would only require sitting on the couch, unless obviously its a game designed specifically to get you up and moving around. I'm only interested in how this could possibly be implemented in games like Mass Effect(voice commands) FPS, Racers etc and not in a gimmicky way but something that makes sense, with HD graphics and all the bells and whistles too. "That's just software", -UltimateIdiot911 lol so its somehow not special or BS as you say because its all made possible by micro's proprietary software, lmfao you should find a better reason to hate it. lol JOY vvvv OK Ultimate, I hear you and I'm not going to be rude but seriously if you actually read what this tech offers compared to the PSEye and you still think "Natal is equal to the PS3 Eye" then the reason you "dont get the hype" is because you've already started your arguement on the basis of a flaw understanding of what we're talking about. I do agree however at this point sure its getting alot of hype, but thats just the nature of the industry to hype the "next thing", maybe this isn't it, but with the tech so far it definitely has the potential to be, why don't we just wait and see what they have to offer before we judge it a failure. By next years E3 if theres nothing worthwhile I will join you and curse Natals name.
I'm pointing that out is because I've seen way too many people spewing facial/voice recognition as if it was an exclusive feature to Natal. The PS3 Eye have it also. I'm not hating the Natal, but I see the Natal as an equal to the PS3 Eye. I'm hating the fact that people are not giving enough credit to the PS3 Eye and how many are blindly hyping the Natal as if it's new technology.
It is not about the fact that it is brand new technology. All of this has been researched and attempted numerous times. It is how much they were able to move it forward to the next level. As I sad before, it is like comparing a black and white tube tv to a HDTV. Both TV's, but miles different in complexity and advancement in technology. People aren't giving MS credit for this. Motion capture is something used by large movie and game studios with expensive equipment. So naturally people are getting excited. From what they have shown us it is already pretty darn large step forward.
OMG just found really duh's picture, he looks so intelligent. Na-na-natal makes me happy!
Play a shooter, and you imagine you have a gun in your hand? Really? I think people like holding the gun, it adds to the experience. Just because it's different doesn't mean what people want. The best thing that I see for this Natal thing is to be used as a exersice simulation.
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*Includes plastic gun with working trigger along with FPS Game.* Oh look, you have a gun to hold! And Natal will track where your pointing and when your pulling the trigger! Or pull out your old Duck Hunt blaster and use that! lol. Btw, FPS games aren't the only good games in the world.
Its hilarious how all these "people" are so baffled and lining up to praise this fake technology and faked video of Milo and Natal. Either there are a LOT of stupid people around the world or they are all paid by MS to say these things. So take your pick, shiatty bots: 1) you are stupid. 2) youre a fking xbot.
yeah I saw the video for the demo.....it's completely fake!!! X-bots got fooled by those they worship...hahahahaha!!
If any company led the way, it is Nintendo, even if it was with casual gaming. And so far, Natal has potential, but has it poven itself yet? No, see I'm not bashing it, I'm just stating the obvious
All of this motion control garbage is just a gimmick. Please sony/nintendo/MS. Stop with this garbage. Invest your money into some good AAA games instead. Edit: how could someone disagree with me? This stuff is just a gimmick. Who would choose some crappy motion controls over a AAA game? Sony,Nintendo,MS, have all just wasted millons or even billions of dollars on stupid crap. I would rather have some AAA games instead of this crap. I hope these companies come to there senses one day.
enough with the motion controllers.... give me mind controllers. The tech is around and being the lazy dogs we gamers are... that is right up our ally. Actually now that I think about it more, it would be kinda cool. "Don't just thing about hitting me... Hit Me!" comes to mind. Fighting games would come down to who could out think their opponent... literally.
...innovation means nothing if the games fall flat. EyeToy (for the PS2) provided a great premise but the software offered no real challenge to anyone who's age was in double figures. However, EyeToy Kenetic actually changed this a little as it offered some really challenging exercises, etc. Natal to me seems like its the same as the Playstation Eye (PE) for PS3 but it has two optic sensors to calculate depth of view. That to me is the only difference between Natal and what Sony is offering. The real make or break, again, will be the software that exploits either device. One advantage that Sony's option offers is the accurate tracking of movement. Basically its the same method they use for motion tracking in the movies or for making games. However, lets all wait for the games as each option should allow for some real innovative gaming.
Microsoft is pushing this as the next evolution in gaming its not gimmick. Stop posting your eyetoy/eyepet crap the two technologies are not even in the same ballpark.
When you break it down Natal is two optic sensors and a mic. The real innovation will come from the software which if you could take your fanboy tinted glasses off for a second you would see. If you were to place a second optic sensor in the Playstation Eye you would have something similar to the Natal. However, by all means state what else is in the Natal that makes it so different from what I have suggested. IT WILL BE THE SOFTWARE THAT MAKES THE NATAL A SUCCESS AND NOT JUST THE NATAL ITSELF. As for MS or Sony for that matter proclaiming something is the next big thing I couldn't give a damn. The next big thing is what consumers say it is and not what manufacturers are trying to push. If you recall not too long ago MS tried to push Vista as the next big thing and Sony the mini-disc.
there would be so much optimism, hell some would be trashing wii even more. Though Sony, now copied the Wiimote Plus so now, Sony's is more superior, so it's justified now or motion controllers are in now. haha, it does it get anymore pessimistic than this.. Sony comes out with anything and it's embraced and thought of in every detail ,on how it could be used. With MS every hole/crack is magnified. "How can this fail". Before even caring about it, to even give it a chance or ask, "how will devs will wanna use it?". Sh!t no one ever said the thing is perfect. The sh!t was just announced. Remember when Wii first came out, besides the fact that it was functional, nobody gave it a chance, as to "is this how were gonna play "some" games? Or "nobody will wanna touch that sh!t or play games this way. I say, let the devs see what they can do with it, just as Wii. Plus it doesn't mean all the sudden devs will stop making traditional games that do use controllers. Wowsers...some of you fanboys give true gamers out there a bad name. But you know pundits will always be pessimistic about thing they are against, so nothing new here.
lol so true
Your comment assumes that anyone who does not agree with MS is a fanboy. Natal and what Sony is proposing will only succeed because of the software. Otherwise the external HD-DVD add on for the 360 would also have been a success.
it looks fun. but im kinda worried MS and maybe eventually sony are following nintendo down the easy and more profitable path of forgetting real gamers for the most part and catering to casual. i always said if ms and sony could go back in time, they probably would have done what nintendo did. looks like they may be gearing up for the next gen in the same way.
Forget graphics and top Hardware for which they are not known for. They took one of the BIGGEST risk trying to change the way everyone play games. Ms and Sony just got better Hardware, well that was it. Nothing new besides graphics. Now like I stated above, everyone fn laughed at them. "Like who's gonna wave the Sh!t around and look like a fool doing so, to play your games?" I do own a Wii and got one early since I just love technology when it comes to my hobby and willing to try new stuff. Having all 3 consoles I'm able to. Now that everyone wants a little in on the motion sensing, you can't help but think, it took a guinea pig(Nintendo) to not fall flat on it's face and get the water luke warn before everyone started to "Jump in" or "Wave b3yond." Sony taking a very similar approach(if not exactly the same) like Nintendo and MS choses to try something different. I do not think for one second, they would of gone ALL OUT like Nintendo did from the beginning. That would of been way too risky and for MS on it's second-gen console, it would of failed miserably without some traditional games/franchises that use controllers, under it's wings.. If something is very different in this industry I will like to try it out. Like I said even if this takes off, after the fact, for MS and Sony, it doesn't mean it becomes like the Wii.(100% motion-sensing) Let's say, you attract some wii gamers out there looking for better graphics or something and the devs come up with whatever that's functional and WORKS(for games) then everyone wins. Yes, the Wii is mostly casual but the PSone and PStwo are totally made up of millions of casual gamers. This industry cannot sustain itself on just shooter games and hardcore. It's almost like, some of you do not want a casual gamer(if they may be) to enjoy lush graphics on an HD console, if a developer choses to take advantage and be creative with a new peripherals console makers wanna add. Hey it's OK to be a critic of new stuff but on a site like this, all this hate def stems from fanboys that own one console and usually do not wanna see another brand succeed in anything. I really would of liked to see the comments if Sony was the one with Natal and MS with Xmote Plus. You know after seeing all of this I somehow love my Wii more.
ive got a wii also and i enjoy it. key words in my comment though 'if they could go back in time'
" I think thats why so many people are hating on it because it could change gaming as we know it and Microsoft will be leading the way. " /facepalm
And the persistent trolling and armies of Sony and Nintendo fanboys and associated press going out of their way to discredit Natal isn't /facepalm X2? LMAO Microsoft won E3 all the credible press/media are saying this get over it.
Now, why is the wii so successful and a game like wiifit sells16mil units in under a year? It's all about the peripherals. People need to be engaged by software and hardware, not just one. This type of experience is a passive one. Do you think wiifit would have sold 16mil units with just software alone-- without the balance board? This tech is going nowhere. Sony probably already patented motion controls with a cam. Which is why Microsoft doesn't use one, but says you can use your *own* peripheral or controller.
R.I.P. Hardcore Gaming (1977-2009) It was great while it lasted.
Ive been reading all these articles bout natal and it seem as though the Sony fan boys have really been on the rampage lately i could just hear the fear and envy in their voices.. Its very apparent to you guys that this technology is very innovative and are shaking in there undies. I'm no fan of either console but gosh you guys are funny at how scared you guys are of this.. I know deep down inside you guys know this is the future and Microsoft is bringing it to the masses..
Yeah I was really looking forward to Bioshock 2, but after seeing MS's project natal I just can't wait to get my hands on their pedo-sim! It's a hardcore gamer's dream come true. /epic sarcasm If you had bothered to read my post history, you would see I'm equally dismissive of Sony's take on motion controls. And don't talk about fanboys in the second-person. It doesn't suit you!
or eyetoy, or the wii's motion sensor tech. it seems so funny that when micro does it, every is like "tha shiznutz, micro is the best" but was not this tech not already in the ps eyetoy? follow the leader i guess.
guess Microsoft isn't so different from Sega after all. http://uk.dreamcast.ign.com... Seems like the concept of voice recognition has been around since the beginning of this decade.
Project Natal is impressive and it may lead to other companies making advancements; however, project Natal itself will not bring all this changes everyone is talking about. It has potential, but we should all wait and see before getting to hyped up and then possibly getting dissapointing. Same thing with Sony's motion controls. Who know's how accurate they'll be when they release or what kind of support they get. We should just wait and see what both products will bring to their consoles.
From my experience with movement capture base game from PSeye, I want na know how MS plan to get rid of the un-intended movement. My point is, sometime when i play creature feature on PS3, when my friend walked to the kitchen in the background, the camera also captured that movement that sometime will disturb the game.
kushan read this article here ... tehy have full detailed look at tnatals tech http://www.newscientist.com...
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