From XE: "E-mpire's Dustin Rudzinski caught up with Turn 10 on the E3 show floor today and asked them about the rumors regarding Forza 3 running at 1080p at 60fps."
I guess after seeing Gran Turismo on the PSP some people felt like they have to lie about Forza 3 being 1080P.(talk about jealousy) So your upset that a PSP game has twice the cars, but that does not mean that you should start making up BS to make yourself feel better. Don't worry Forza 3 will probably be a fun ARCADE style racer.
I think most people when thinking of Forza could give 2 giant fat stinky sh*ts about a PSP racing game. You can't even use a racing wheel and are relegated to the horrible PSP nubstick and you want to talk about ARCADE racers?
GT PSP still is in a league of its own compared to a "next-gen" title like Forza. When you think about that, it just makes Forza look that much more pathetic!
That's why I started laughing. Why would anyone lie about something like that? Seriously?
Crab, Gran Turismo is the most successful racing franchise of all time. thus, even if it's on the PSP it will sell a lot and I'm sure Polyphony will make it a great game as well (at least judging by the footage we've seen so far) Forza is a great series too, but no where near the juggernaut that is Gran Turismo
@ pepsi Strange. Last time I checked, Forza's 1st try going up to GT's 4th attempt, Forza got rated 9.2 out of 10 and GT4 got rated 8.9 out of 10 (Metacritic). I guess you have to wait to GT5 to see which racer is on top again. In the mean time the sim racing is with Forza 2 and upcoming 3 this year, while GT5 on the PS3 will release somewhere in 2010. If not delayed any further, in that case it might become a launch game for the PS4. Don't worry, you got two demo's on your PS3 in the mean time, GT4HD and GT5p that costs 40 bucks and received an 8 out of 10.
...Riiiiiiiidge Raceeeeeeeeer then??? ;-D Even PSP games are starting to show-up the ChatBox 360's games!!! ;-D Poor ChatFaceBookBots!!! ;-D Update - Is the game on 2 DVD's to??? So it's 1 DVD for the Cars and 1 DVD for the Tracks!!! ;-D Er erm... ;)
I'm not questioning GT's success or it's quality. What I am questioning is this guy implying that Forza people would be better off playing the PSP version of GT. When in reality the sim heads that I know that play Forza would laugh at the idea of playing any racing sim without a wheel and pedals and on a screen as small as the PSP. Sure, they would enjoy it but given the choice they would go with Forza. You also edited your comment Lou-Cipher so now my response looks out of left field.
Well see sir ken, microsoft realized that people have friends. And one way friends connect is with facebook, so why not incorporate that into the dashboard? Great idea, the more the merrier. I can understand why you were bitter about this, you lack friends. I'm not making fun of you, I in fact feel very bad for you. Keep your chin up! One day you'll make a friend. One day you may even lose your virginity. But lets take it one step at a time. ttyl.
if metacritic has anything to say then according to your logic GT3 is even better than forza http://www.metacritic.com/g...
PGR4 was 720P and it looks beautiful especially in the rainy weather. well, If they made a solid game with no screen tearing and runs at 60FPS 720P = day one for me
Not that it matters much anyways but whoever started that rumor... LOL But this does add to the GT5 comparisons: How can Forza claim to be the best period when they arent 1080p native like GT5? Every PS3 game released since like mid last has 1080p upscale, uncheck 720p and 1080i in display settings and you'll see most games get upscaled 1080p. The ones that don't support it will go to SD or 480p I really believed this rumor too since he was bragging so much. He also didn't mention 60fps even though it was part of the question...
Some one just made this up knowing that GT5 does! Still i will get forza 3, it looks too good!
Seems the only 1080p 60 fps racer in the near future will be GT5.
honesty is a joke ! Money is the life
"How can Forza claim to be the best period when they arent 1080p native like GT5?" Yea.. because we all know looks are everything...
You know ever Xbox 360 game upscales to 1080p if the TV supports the resolution.
@ Halo Champion. Take looks away from alan wake and it's alone in the dark.
Looks ARE very important, it's undeniable. Forza is pretty, at whatever res it was running, but the boasting these guys did needs to stop. Do you remember Gran Turismo A-Spec? There's no reason for them to NOT have it. Though 1080p DOES NOT mean a big deal. %99 of games this gen run 720/1080i and the likes of Uncharted 2 are beautiful. FordGTGuy Yeah i know, and didn't the original Xbox do 720p? That furthers my point though, what are they doing above and beyond that give them boasting rights? Every game on the 360 allows this 1080p upscale. y0haN - Wipeout HD is a 1080p racers too. My biggest surprise was that GOW 3 would really be 1080p and variable 60fps. Like really, it will be the first big action game on consoles to do that.
Go to the article on N4G that said it was running on 1080p and read the comments for some major LOL.
Reminds me of something else.
There is a big difference between 720p on a game with standard definition textures and a game with high definition textures. You would think all the time you've been on N4G that you would know that. Any game on a non-HD platform was built using standard definition level textures. Forza 3 is not only using HD level textures but 4x the texture resolution size in Forza 2 not to mention 10x the polygon count. The higher the resolution the easier it is to see details which is a good thing for games built for those texture quality levels. However when you have a game that is normally 480p and upscale to 720p you will be able to see all the flaws and will look terrible because of the quality level the game is built for. Forza 3 is different because it is built for high definition levels including 1080p so even upscaled will look good. The same goes the opposite that is why GT PSP is looking so good because of the resolution reduction.
omg lokiroo, lmao.
lokiroo420 You're killing me, that was just hilarious! FordGTGuy Im lost, are you now referring to Wipeout HDs textures? Alright, im getting out of here. It's total war here since E3, was it like this last year too, i was a member but not around. The Uncharted 2 Beta is calling me back. "You would think all the time you've been on N4G that you would know that." You just made me realize my actual join date was the same day i bought my PS3. Though i was browsing here long before joining.
lokiroo nearly made me choke on my gum...lmfao. That was funny.
so much for the "definitive" racer ROFL
Of`course, GT5P in 1080p looks gorgeous... BUT, 720p is still an HD resolution, and most 32" TV owners, won`t even see the difference between 1080p ands 720p, while of`course when we talk about 46" and above... But still, i prefer BETTER graphics over resolution. Even CoD 4 was running at 600p, but does this stop people from buying this great game? No. God of War 3 looks great today in 1080p(at some points like CGI), but i`m pretty much sure it would look even better in 720p. Well, they still have almost 1 year. Also, i hope that GT5 will look like in the latest trailer, otherwise optimizing ps3 for 1080p wasn`t the best idea. Well, i have faith in Polyphony Digital. p.s. Also, Turn 10 shouldn`t talk that much about "definitive" racing game, till both games(Forza 3 and GT5) are released, otherwise, this may end not very good for them...
As long as it runs at an upsacle 1080p, I am happy, and it will. What make me laugh though is that so many people always say GT5 is a better game because it runs in 1080p native and 1080p matters. Yet almost every major first party release from sony, Uncharted, Motorstorm 2, Infamous, Killzone 2 even Uncharted 2, all run in 720p. They are all amazing games that I own. However when people bring up the fact that they are 720p, we are reminded that 720p is fine. Forza 3 is looking like a reat game that will mos probably be running at 720p, and that is fine. And it will surely keep any racer fan not limited to one console happy till GT5 comes out. I know for a fact I will be buying both, day 1. @lokiroo420 lol, I saw that sh*t live and I was pissing my pants. Talk about a demo gone wrong! And yeah, I Don't need to keep up, one badly translated site stating that turn 10 was claiming 1080p native at the conference is not valid imho. A dev boasting about HIS game is. It's his freakin game, what else do you want him to say? "Our game will be average, and play well?" yeah, that will help to sell it to racing fans... *mind boggles at (enthusiast) brains*
@ montreal did sony or any of those game developers lie about their games, thats is the issue here, try to keep up. How about they read up on professionalism and a little bit about ethics.
WELL BAM.. here's the remix http://www.vimeo.com/495262...
Not that it matters as long as what you see on the screen looks good - but VERY few games (on either big system) run NATIVELY @ 1080i/p. PERIOD. If you know anything about the internal rendering process and the actual hardware that is in either system you would know any decent looking game on either system will not run at 1920*1080. However, the good news is that both systems can trick your HDTV into thinking it is running at a higher rez (through software or in the 360s case - hardware upscaling) and you still have a very good looking game on your TV regardless of the actual native resolution. As long as games keep looking better and better who really cares what tricks (static lighting painted on textures KZ2) or sub-HD resolutions (most games on either platforms)?? I don't! use whatever tricks you gotta do to get the job done!
lokiroo420 said.. "How about they read up on professionalism and a little bit about ethics." I suggest you read up a little bit on marketing and press conferences, I know sony has, where have you been the last 15 years?
nice deflect.....ten points what you're failing to acknowledge is that games are comparable. We cant compare a driving game to an fps technically because it doesnt make sense. like for like, apples to apples. There is now a benchmark for driving sims set by gt5p. From a technical standpoint everything released after is comparable and ultimately 1080 p 60 fps is the target PLUS T10 have been spouting a lota hype talk of late. motorstorm couldn't do that but it did other things really well and is still the best off roader game this gen but it should be compared to other off roaders. Anyhow its slightly unfair to compare achievements as PD are tech fiends and have been afforded a lot of time.....i bet their dreams are in 1080p
Don't get me wrong, I fully agree that Gran Turismo is the top of the food chain when it comes to console racing sims. I have purchased every Gran Turismo game since the first one. However, to think that a game is good simply because it does not reach this technical benchmark (1080p 60fps) is a flawed way of looking at what makes a good game or not. Bottom line is, if you are a racing game fan, and are not limited to 1 console, games like Forza 3 and Shift are looking to be great games to play until our next home console Gran Turismo comes out. There is no reason to knock on them, or there PR heavy spokesperson unless ofcourse you are a hater, and last time I checked, this is not the hater (open) zone, its the gamer zone.
This is what sets GT5 apart from Forza 3 in terms of graphics. GT5P even. It has nearly double or triple the amount of polygons per car than Forza, and runs at 1280x1080 resolution. Waiting for Tordavis to come in here and give the standard BS speech "They look the same"
they don't both look the same, but they are both great games. That's the message I am trying to push here, but conflict is what turns on most anonymous N4G. you guys can count pixels all you want, but if you where all true gamers, you would be just happy that you have choice an both games have there advantages and dissadvantages. Turn 10 are cleary working their asses of to make a good racing sim for the 360, and so are PD for the PS3. btw, has GT5 been confirmed to be native 1080p? We know prologue is, but we have not even seen GT5 running yet. IMHO, they are two different games. Or am I wrong?
"btw, has GT5 been confirmed to be native 1080p? We know prologue is, but we have not even seen GT5 running yet. IMHO, they are two different games. Or am I wrong?" Nope nothing's confirmed on GT5's resolution. I'm assuming it's going to be 1280x1080 just like GT5P. As much as I agree that Turn 10 is working hard on making the best game they can make, they should pull back the Coc-kiness a notch or two.
I don't agree, I think that if they are showing off their game to the press at a show like E3, they have all the right to be c*cky, as long as they can back some of it up. That's what these kinds of shows are all about. I would never hold that against any dev showing off their latest project. Expecially not PD, since gran tursimo has always been been the king of c*cky, it has "the Real driving simulator" in its title. And that's fine by me.
"since gran tursimo has always been been the king of c*cky, it has "the Real driving simulator" in its title. And that's fine by me." Yeah but you can clearly see the influence of Turn 10 vs PD. It's Microsoft probably hounding them to release the game. While Sony is giving PD all the time they want. Still, I'll buy Forza 3 when it releases. I had a lot of fun with Forza 2, and Fun is what really matters.
"Fun is what really matters" Now that is something we can agree one ;D. cheers
Nobody seems to mind that MGS4 runs at a sub-HD resolution, not even 720p. We all love that game and it looks great. But never miss out on the chance to criticize something on the 360, right guys? Forza 3 will be 720p and running at a reported 60 FPS which will be more than the vast majority of games are doing. And for the last time, GT5 Prologue does not run at 1080p. GT5 Prologue runs at 1280x1080, which is not 1080p. 1920x1080 is 1080p.
........so GT isn't true 1080p either. http://www.maxconsole.net/?...
you guys are so full of it.
just to add fire to the debate. GT5 runs at 1280x1080 not 1920 x 1080 that 1080p televisions advertise, similar to how wipeout HD is also not "TRUE" 1080P. 60fps is more important than 1080p imo.
which no 360 racer can do because its limited by the power of the.. well.. just can't run it period. Its a shame though.. you guys should be able to play the definitive racer in a real resolution. Oh well, heres to Hoping natal will allow you to digitally wipe away your avatars tears. GT5 runs in a higher native resolution than Forza3 ever will, GT5 has more cars than forza3 ever will. Forza3 can barely fit 400 cars on 2 dvds, has no rally, supercar, or nascar modes. Forza3's had its ass handed to it before GT5 even has a release date. What adds insult to injury, is Forza3 can't even out pace GT5's DEMO. You guys got owned, and all you can say is "buh buh GT5 prologue isn't 100% perfect! just 95%" lol. I think everyone can settle with that.
Oh noes...Forza 3 only runs at 720p like uh...let's see...98% of games this generation! How will 360 owners ever be able to live with themselves?! CaseyRyback, you're ridiculous. Forza 3 looks great and easily is comparable to Gran Turismo 5 Prologue. Anybody that looks at things in even a remotely fair and impartial manner can see that they are both exceptional franchises, each with their own pluses and minuses.
y'all talking about two games that aint even out yet.. nor have you played it lol.. also, it was that dude on MS's E3 press conference that it was running at "[email protected]" lol greeetzz
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there is so much lack of knowledge on both sides, Forza 3 and GT 5 both look amazing... gt5 sounds even more so amazing to me but still, it doesn't mean Forza 3 is any less impressive. ps: "who many of you own a 1080p set?" priceless lol.
Ask Donald Trump if looks matters LOL The rumor started in an article that was nigh on indecipherable from google translation. If it was true T10 would have made a big deal of it at the conference...
(TheExecutive) ........ malware, wtf? anyways, the guy in the video isn't the developer, so he could know little about the technicalities of games plural, i'll still take his word on it though. gamersyde has got a new trailer of the game running. http://www.gamersyde.com/st... at 00:12 you get a good close up at the wheels of the vehicle and at 2:14 you get a good close up of that same vehicle, after looking at those two points if it's definitely not 1080p then it IS definitely using some sweet level of anti aliasing. all i know is that it's not a jag fest like the forza before it, it does look clean and nice regardless of the resolution. i think they made good on this game compared to the previous one. http://i39.tinypic.com/2hyf... http://i40.tinypic.com/2hwk... edit, also here's a nicer version of forza3's E3 trailer http://forzamotorsport.net/...
cuz the 360 sucks
At first, I was really digging these guy's approach to forza. You know, the gritty info. In and out with sweet vids ya know? But then the guy makes this stupid comment above at the end of all the dialogue. Welcome to mid 2009 E3 man. You can get a 1080p lcd set then cheaper then most plasmas now. This guy needs to get smacked back down to Earth.
360 has been maxed out for a while. Future improvements are all about managing art assets wisely. Forza 2 and Gears 2 are a perfect examples. Technically, these are not doing all that much more than in the past, they are just doing it differently. They've refocused the engine to emphasize certain elements. The cutbacks are especially noticable in Gears 2 (see Gamespot's gears 1 vs gears 2 screenshots) where they've visibly reduced environmental geometry to enable more complexity in other areas. Having said that, the jump from Forza 1 to Forza 2 demonstrates how much of a difference a little bit of optimization and a lot of art can do. One thing they need to do to liven up the game is populate the stands, have animated crowds, and waving flags. These are all pretty standard in modern racers. I have no doubt they will add these in. The question is if, with all these other things added, the frame-rate will be consistent despite there being just 8 cars to render. I don't see why not.
@Hydrolex Since you and the other Sony fanboys like to question everything, why don't you try to figure out why Sony promised that the Ps3 would display games at 120-200+ Fps! You guys seemed to have forgotten about things like that while you were hating on the 360 so much! You guys are just so happy to have a little bit of an edge over the 360 that you forgot that you were promised waaaaaaaaaaaay more than just 1080p and 60 Fps! The 120 Hz HDTV's are there, Ps3 games look good on them, but somethings missing...
so it still runs at 1080p, just upscaled, not native. what exactly did they lie about? whats this b1tching about? by the same token you can say GT 5P does not run at 1080P; it upscales to get to full 1080. why do fanboys bother talking? like this caseyrayback guy; its funny to come on the computer and read drivel like his. i enjoy the laughs; thanks casey 8 P
its 720P stretched out to a larger size but with no actual increase in detail. Super NES can be 1080P using an upscaler. It will still look like crap because the detail has not been increased, just the resolution size. A game rendered in "native" 1080P actually has 1080P level of detail, which Forza 3 does not. It has 720P level of detail. Here's are the numbers for three 60fps games: RR7: 2.1M pixels/frame(100%) GT5P: 1.4M pixels/frame (67%) Forza3: 0.9M pixels/frame (45%)
forza on two disc 720P native. GT5 on one bluray 1080P native. so who is the king now? dream on kids. lol!
@ FamilyGuy, Just because it is 1080p does not mean it has the best graphics.
You are all acting like going from 720p to 1080p is like going from coxial cable to HDMI. It's really trivial. You would have to know where and what to look for just to tell the difference.
Lame. That is lame and looks like a bunch of people have egg all over their face. I have a 1080p set and it was encouraging to me that they were pushing for the limits.. But silly me for thinking that.. I keep forgetting this is MS where the minimal amount of effort for the most nickels and dimes is the mantra. Turn-10 already look like a bunch of fools for flapping their mouths about how Forza 3 is going to be the very best Sim on consoles while they can't seem to back it up with anything! Is it even going to be 60fps?? My guess is they will avoid that question like the plague.
Eh, comment better served in PM. But I agree.
Unicron: I did a major face palm when I saw they want to charge full price for what is essentially a DLC pack. I did write a nice rant about it in one of the news stories. lol Even after the dev's themselves said that it wasn't a full game and that the campaign was like 3-4 hours. They are even doing a special edition for it with a bundled gamepad. Nickel and dime city! Now looks like Valve is taking a page from their book with L4D 2.
Who really expects 1080p from a 360 game? It doesn't ruin the game, it still looks great. I expect 60fps aswell, a psp can do it ffs.
1080p is completely unneccesary. I don't know when every gamer suddenly became a videophile but the difference between 720p and 1080p is negligable unless you're playing on a huge TV and even then it's not an amazing difference. It's no wonder that some devs put their game at 600p - PEOPLE DON'T NOTICE THE DIFFERENCE!! I can't tell you how many people I've seen that believe, just because their TV tells them that the signal is in 1080p, that the game they are playing is running in 1080p. It's a complete placebo. It's the emperor's new clothes all over again. Nobody cared that certain games ran in sub-HD, and nobody could tell. Yet when someone goes pixel counting all the fanboys are either celebrating or up in arms. Want to know what would make more difference to the graphics in, say, GT5P? LOWER the resolution, to give the game a bit more power to work with, and put in some actual 3D trees that don't look like they were taken from the PS1 era. Maybe put a bit of AA on whilst you're at it. Up the texture and shadow resolution. Improve the environments. All of these things make a much larger difference than simply rendering at a higher resolution.
they made a mistake by hyping this as the definitive racing game of this generation. theres nothing wrong with hyping your game, but to go as far as saying that. people will expect nothing short of perfection.
I could see a difference with gt5p on 1080p compared to 720p, i was actually quite suprised.