"Nintendo has seen great success with both the Wii and DS over the last few years by reaching out and bringing in people that normally wouldn't play video games. In doing this though they have left the hardcore gamer behind."
No. They've blown it with complacency.
yes the hardcore that sticked around stayed for the nintendo games all they gotta do is put LOTS more effort and shine and they will come back some of them if microsoft or sony went all casual for a while then went back to the core everyone would go crawling back as well but in the end do they even need em?
They do need them, its vital for third party developers. Not all developers are planning on making petz.
I can't speak for everyone, but they wont get me back. Mine is collecting dust and will probably stay that way. The Xbox 360 and PS3 is blowing them out of the water in terms of games. Plus not really a fan of the Wiimote for anything but sports games.
Agreed. I think this generation they have stepped too far away from mainstream and hardcore gamers. lack of horsepower and substandard online performance are the final two nails on the coffin here for a lot of gamers. Let's face it; anyone who considers themselves hardcore ANYTHING likes to get the best gear. You snowboard a lot, you probably have a nice board. People who bike a lot generally get nice bikes. Gamers who game a lot get decked out PCs and PS3/360's. I still keep my Wii for games like the Mario series and (hopefully) Pikmin 3, but unfortunately past that I only really drag it out at parties.
" nyone who considers themselves hardcore " O you mean people who want to feel special about their gaming habit and feel threatened when dear grandma is interested in a puzzle game? AAAAh yes the hardcore of these days are great. Edit below: @chaz, You are only making a "bit" sense. We don't play games because we want the best gear, we play games because we like them for the core element of it : GAMEPLAY. Yes believe it or not, There are also fun games on the Wii. Gamers wanting the "best", is a subjective matter as "best" comes from a personal point of view. Seriously, i still play old GBC games, and it got nothing to do with wanting the best "gear" out there. ( obviously a Gameboy color is not the best gear ;) )
@sidar "O you mean people who want to feel special about their gaming habit and feel threatened when dear grandma is interested in a puzzle game?" No, I mean people that like doing something often want to get a nice rig to do it with. Haven't you ever had a friend who plays guitar? I'll bet if you do that he or she is probably saving up for a really nice one.
the effort part is the problem mate!!
I get what Chaz means but I don't really agree with it. I think of it this way. It's the same with movies, it's not only about content. It's about the technology behind it and people want the best available. However I'm a firm believer that technology is not the priority when it comes to movies or games. I also think the Wii has advanced greatly with the technology and it is forwarding the industry. It offers a new way to experience a game, in the same way that 3D would.
Nintendo hasn't been hardcore since the days of SNES. Even then, games were known to be edited for content!
They don't even want the hardcore. They only added one or two hardcore games for this entire year. That's just ridiculous. They don't care about us. I'm abandoning Nintendo. Screw them.
Most of the self-proclaimed hardcore -- the loud ones that whine on the internet about Nintendo sucking -- started gaming this gen. So Nintendo never lost them to begin with.
What the hell are you on about. Nintendo showed more first party hardcore stuff than casual stuff. As I said below they also have 3 hardcore games lined up as well. Dynamic Zan, Tact of Magic and Line Attack Heroes. What the hell do you expect? Miyamoto also confirmed that Pikmin 3 and a new Zelda are in development. EDIT: They also shown a trailer of Sin and Punishment 2.
Spoony and sidar these are PC gamers I'm sure of it now. I mean they even put down the snes. They obviously don't like mario bros which is pretty damn hardcore, or platforming games which require skill. Seriously nintendo can not get these gamers back because they are not console gamers any more.... Only a PC gamer would call the Wii a toy when it has all of your hardcore memories on it from the past. It's obvious that the console owners are not coming to this web site dude to the mods not keeping the peace. LOL New super mario bros is going to sell like crazy! and so is galaxy!
madworld,gta...there consumer fanbase are not into those type of games..nintendos got noone to blame but themselves
uhm, dunno but the base not liking those games is something different from Nintendo winning back their fanbase eventually. But seriously, i have said it before, there are more complains than GCN sold back last gen. So im not sure who is trying to win who back. Also i don't think people should depend on Nintendo so much if its about the Wii. Third party developers should kick in too.
neither are the HD hardcore. All you guys seems to want is movie games with quick time events.
This is all I need now and I'll be set!
yeah now were talking glad to see someone else is looking forward to this baby
He11 yah i got my Wii, MHFU out this month
To be better on the PS3 with its controllers (PSEye Motion and DS3). Because we all know how hardcore games fare on the Wii.
i seriously suggest you do your research on that game its gonna be huge in japan and that's about the only place its gonna be huge in
I think Wii Motion plus is gonna be sic with future games like Metroid and Zelda supporting native motion plus support. Future games as well of course. Btw, the new mario games looked freakin sic.
I think it depends on how stubborn the "hardcore" are about the Wii. If, for example, someone is a Dead Space fan, they might want the Wii for Extraction. Red Steel 2 is going to be the premiere sword swinging adventure game to use a 1:1 motion controller. Then of course we got a slew of other Japanese RPG's, adventure, and other games, three HVS titles on the way, plus some of Nintendo's own like Metroid: The Other M and Super Mario Galaxy 2.
The funny thing is the hardcore do not believe that there are games that are unsatisfied with the crap they call games. They sure as hell are not going to waste time talking to people at this site about it either. The ones that will switch over will do it this year either because they are waiting of their games to come out on the HD systems or because those games came out and they are bored again.
no chance - need to wait for their next cycle....years away!!!
But some of us are just disappointed with Nintendo. Personally, I enjoy this gen mostly because of my Wii/PS3. Its a good combination for all gamers I think. You get your MGS4 and KZ2 but also Zelda, SSBB and SMG.
2 Mario games just got announced for Wii...I'll say 'yes'.
The hardcore 6-11 year olds!1 I kid, I kid. Nintendo is like a dairy farm. The one thing they know how to do well is milk stuff! *bah dum dum* Thank you, thank you. Dont forget to tip your waitress!
No, not this generation....maybe with the next nintendo console, but I doubt it. Zelda and Mario gameplay is stuck in the past, it's just the same old rehashed gameplay with a new setting. They need more than that
thats how i feel, this gen for nintendo is basically set in stone to be nothing but peripherals and casual gaming. Of course i'll buy a new zelda when it gets released, i honestly don't care about mario galaxy 2 and i absolutely love mario games. (I took a week off work when mario galaxy came out, no joke, lol) For the most part im done with nintendo this gen, i can only wait so long and be disappointed so many times. I've moved on to greener pastures.
In short.. No In length: F*ck no! Nintendo will have still kept their most dedicated of fans but those who have left now, won't come back and they won't be attracting sony/xbox fans anytime soon. Their lack of proper third party support will always hit them hard. Look at EA's and Ubi's lineup for the wii.. with a few exceptions they are literally shoveling what you just know is going to be a 1-3/10 games down children's faces. Also any hardcore gamer just has to go to their local game shop to see where the wii is at. In the UK at least... the wii section is 99.999% cutesy game covers with games I wouldn't play even if the developers paid me to. However, I doubt Nintendo really care. They have their crowd who will lap up their own games like a fat kid eating a cheeseburger.
true Hardcore never left of course. Now Sony fanboys? yeah they left. Wont come back and will use any excuse to justify their hate. Lets look at E3 for example. They announce MArio Galaxies, NEw SMB Wii, A kick ass Metroid game, and a brand new IP that is an RPG.. But look at the responses here from Sony fans acting like nothing was announced by Nintendo and in the Sony section they are falling all over themselves to get what has been on the Wii for 2 years. I see someone was even stupid enough to bring up GTA.. GReat point you made there dude.. PSP is not a hardcore platform and never will be. Thanks for pointing out how higher sales of GTA on DS than on PSP means DS is for casuals.. Well you just also said PSP was too. Your ignorance is astounding and you hurt your own company as much as Nintendo with that statement. Just pathetic really that those fanboys consider themselves hardcore when they are as casual as it can get.
" Go outside. " Irony irony on the wall who is the most ironic of all?!
Sidar, I make it a point not to talk about you or comment on your delusional borderline scary infatuation with the Wii. So do me a favor and keep your comments about me to yourself. For your info I am peeling from a major sunburn. Its funny cause it all happened when I was sitting on my couch! /s I might comment here during the days I am stuck in front of a computer, but making fun of nerds is not my first choice of activities. I picture you as the guy riding around in his box van with no windows with "Free Candy" etched into the dull, rusted paint job stopping on corners where kids gather to swing open your doors to show the kids what a cool setup you have in the van. A 13"SD TV with a Wii. Creepy.
what a whinny b1tch
even prefers the PS3 to the wii and thats saying something - clean up the graphics to HD and above & with a descent set of controls without us having to find the pointer all day long!
Seferoth..i'm not a sony fanboy but I do dislike nintendo quite a bit.. from that perspective we just think it's a joke really each year it's the same game announcements so when he hear about mario 152 coming out, it's just meh. I think this is another of Nintendo's problems and one which would probably get me at least looking at buying the wii... each year it really is the same announcements. Each year it's the Nintendo fanboys coming on saying "oo zelda/mario/metroid is going to be awesome I can't wait to play it." I'm 22 and can remember growing up playing mario and zelda.. for me the games represent some of my favourite nostalgic moments as a child BUT.. i've grown up, my interests have changed and i've moved on.. I don't want to be playing those games anymore.
;p very tru +bubble
" BUT.. i've grown up " Wtf does this have to do with anything? I have "grown up" too and yet i can still enjoy games like Zelda and mario. "growing up" and " my interests have changed and i've moved on " Hardly have anything to do with eachother. Growing up just means you have to take responsibilities, and act on it as an ADULT, it doesn't mean you have to forget your childhood likings. People want those games because to them they are good. And the reason its still made is simply due the fact you have NEW gamers every year. They aren't making these games just for you and the likes you know. If they ever make a platformer with different characters, you can bet your ass it would still feel and play like a mario title. Sure i have nothing against your opinion towards liking a franchise, but seriously "growing up" doesn't even fit it. Edit: Below, I get that, but its Nintendo who makes these types of games. What do you expect from them? I mean Its NINTENDO and it would be really stupid to just drop their ip's. Nintendo will always be Nintendo, but hey still growing up is a different matter. " It is very obvious that there emphasis is on the casual now, and rightly so considering how many casuals bought the Wii. " As MS and Sony should do, it brings in more people. Also so what if Nintendo makes 100's of Mario's, I at least expect a fair share from third party developers.
I think what he meant was he wants more variety for the grown ups, not the same Mario/Zelda/Metroid each year. To be fair though, they do have games like No More Heroes (2nd one coming), Madworld, Conduit incoming. Just not enough hardcore games compared to PS3 and the 360. It is very obvious that there emphasis is on the casual now, and rightly so considering how many casuals bought the Wii. I for one though LOVED Super Mario Galaxy, I'll gladly give up playing some of the more "hardcore" games for it (If i had to choose that is). Guns and violence can get old too.
A Sony fan who actually HATES Nintendo is most often a kid who just liked Sony more than Nintendo while growing up. Senden, if you are 22, that means you were not even a teenager yet when the PS2 came out, and a VERY young child when the PS1 came out. It isn't exclusive, but most people who HATE Nintendo are from that era. You weren't around during the glory days. You weren't around as a gamer during what were arguably the greatest generations of gaming. All you've ever known is upping the ante with graphics, and fighting over exclusives. There's nothing wrong with loving Sony, but hating Nintendo is just silly and short-sighted. This is the first generation where their console isn't a comparative graphics powerhouse. And yet they've added more innovation to Mario and Zelda gameplay than has been added to just about any HD game so far. Unless you think great graphics and more enemies on screen (Tech) is innovation that surpasses the actual controls and approach to a game? You aren't a kid anymore, but you are a Sony kid. I don't mean that as an insult. I mean that you grew up with Sony as a preference because you were a child during the time when Sony was the new thing. You may have dabbled in some Nintendo, but you weren't there when Super Mario Bros. was THE SH!T, or even when Super Metroid, Super Mario World, A link to the Past, etc. were. For the hardcore gamer, many of us are definitely frustrated, but we HAVE had some very good games. Truthfully speaking, if Nintendo's online policy wasn't so gimped I probably wouldn't have bought my PS3 until God of War 3 comes out. Things will be better next generation for the simple fact that the few emerging major elements in gaming that Nintendo is going cheap on will be very cheap to produce then. As for now, the dust is beginning to settle, and we see that there will be plenty more good gaming experiences with Nintendo, since they are trying harder, and 3rd parties are jumping on board fully. All of that being said, it's great to be a multi-console owner. :)
If all Nintendo does is keep on releasing brand new Mario and Wii Sports games, then they have little to no chance at regaining their hold on the hardcore.
umm let me think...they cannot :)
i dont care wat anyone says they've lost me since n64, the next game im gettin for my wii is muramasa demon blade and that will be the final game till somethin else im interested in is announced. im sadly sick of mario, only liked the ones on NES and snes, im sick of zelda, metroid, tho team ninja is making new metroid look good, may get that, but mostly there games im sick of, i've seen link mario and samus around since i was born! im 24 in july wtf enough make new characters, new games, no more spin offs, i wanna see nintendo's old magic again but that wont happen, they've changed. and im speakin bout nintendo not the third party games, NINTENDO'S
" i wanna see nintendo's old magic again but that wont happen, they've changed. " lol, kinda contradicting if you are sick of all those games you just mentioned =P
I like how everyone complains about Nintendo using the same franchises, yet everyone poos their pants when Bungie announced yet another Halo FPS game.
the games arent challenging anymore, the games just dont have that same feeling, i luved the old marios, LUVED them, now he's a wierd fat guy with a high pitched voice and repeats the same lines in everygame, "HEre we go!" same franchises Xander? while im not thrilled bout mthe new halo reach the difference is i havent been playing god of war or halo since i was born u know what i mean? its like playing with the same old toys, u want somethin new, somethin exciting that can exsist side by side with ur old fav toy, not re-release the same barbie or spiderman figure for eternity.
Well I just can't wait for Metroid and the new golden sun.
As silly as it sounds, I know its about gameplay in the end, but I just can't get past the Wii's low resolution graphics on a 52" 1080P screen. Playing my 360/PS3 and then trying to play a Wii game just hurts my eyes and I want to stop playing. I guess I'm a graphics nerd in the end :) Going from Killzone/Gears to anything Wii - OUCH!!!
Sorry Sidar, bad choice of words. I meant i've matured.. when you mature your interests change.. like when I was 7 I loved power rangers, I don't exactly love that anymore as it isn't appealing to me. I'm not saying mario is childish but I just don't really enjoy platforming games anymore. And Xander.. I was actually one of the ones who complained about the new halo announcement however this generation alone, there has been quite a few new IPs from both microsoft and sony corners all of which are sure to be around next gen and are good enough to sell consoles.
Well I'm still happy with Ninty, but I guess no one is surprised. Nintendo can't win either way. Last Gen Nintendo went for a really advanced console and had a whole bunch of new IPs but that was ignored. Now they can't win because they went with a lowered power console and it geets hate for being successful. People also complain about the lack of new IPs but then ignore them when they're made. Stuff like Captain Rainbow and Chibi Robo. Nintendo also currently have 3 new IPs in the making. Dynamic Zan, Tact of Magic(with Taito) and Line Attack Heroes(by Grezzo games) but they'll likely be ignored too.
Of course they will be ignored. Just wait when Wii-music 2 will be announced....All those other games they made suddenly won't exist anymore. Nintendo will then, again be bashed for not caring about the "hardcore" gamers...sh/t it sounds like a bunch of guys having a handicap, "hardcore" gamers that is. They say mario zelda, but i bet hardly anyone knows about a title like Fire Emblem.
why, cause it's Metroid. Now kids ganna look at that and be like "coool!" I hope this sales. Sony need competition. Microsoft just want to have fun.
Well their sales are showing they dont need the hardcore gamer. Nothing wrong with catering to a niche. That being said,theres no Wii in my house. My 20+ year old NES is still in my spare room closet though.
As mentioned above an wit a good point @chaz, altho i don't agree with hardcore gamers, i agree with the fact that gamers who game a lot and know a lot bout games like to have the best of the best, just like other "hobbies/sports/passtimes ", wtv u call it. The wii is like the powel skateboard you buy with the wheels, bearings and the griptape already on n costs 40€ n runs like crap... Its good for beginners, but if you are better and have a deeper interest in skating, you'll be getting a +250-350€ board... If they cater more to the gaming fan, maybe, but the wii won't cut it =/
Well tbh how do you expect people to look at games with titles like captain rainbow? It sounds like a bad kid's tv series. Chibi Robo doesn't sound much better. Along with new IPs, we also want diversity.. Nobody can argue that Nintendo have some of the best developers in the world working for them... why don't they use that talent and create something designed to appeal to mainly older gamers? If the wii had more titles like mad world, I sure know i'd be looking at it.
They also have Sin and Punishment 2 in development and the new Metroid is aimed at an older audience. What about Disaster: Day of Crisis as well? See here's the thing, hardcore=!blood and gore and that seems what everyone wants and that's not what Nintendo is about. Rare used to supply the "mature" games and now they're with MS, it's not Nintendo's fault it's the third parties fault. Even when Nintendo gets third party support people ignore them as well or hate on them because they're on the Wii. Look at No More Heroes and Madworld, Monster Hunter and Dragon Quest coming in the future. People are choosing to ignore the games that are there, complain and then when the Wii does get hardcore games they don;t buy them.
It's possible. But they'll have to do a lot of work, though. I play the Wii regularly, but some things that would be nice are: Bring Disaster. I know Nintendo is scared it might not sell like how it did in Europe, but all they would need to do for a commercial is make some reference to 24. Hell, have Keifer Sutherland in it. lol That'd be neat. Sales would exist... Fatal Frame IV needs to come here. I think they should re-name as people might be confused that it's the fourth in a series. By making it seems stand-alone, people may not feel alienated about it being the fourth and not understanding things. Help the third-party. Nintendo, you have much money. You could at least maybe try to help advertise some of the little people so they too can have a chance to shine. It won't hinder the sales of your first party games, definately. Try to make other companies feel important. Uh...out of tips at the moment. lol
There is no such group as "the Hardcore". If there is then they are broke because they dont spend as much money as the "casual". Nintendo is the only company that is turning a profit on their gaming console, so why go after this "geek" crowd known as the hardcore? There is no reason. Games are in 2 categories.. Fun and not fun. There is no "hardcore" and "casual".
so wait a freakin second, wtf do u play? wii cheer? Petz hospital? spy fox dry cereal? stop soundin like a nintendo advertisement, i dont give a crap if sony, MS or nintendo make profit, IM spending money i want games that are fun that I will enjoy! games in the simplist form are either fun or not fun yes, but what creates a hardcore gamer and a casual is what? hardcore games play video games everyday, they are the ones that cause halo to sell 1 mill day 1, they are the ones that hype a game up and get spread its word. and in the end we are the ones that gave birth to todays flourishing gaming world what are casuals? people who play casually, one who doesn't need a game, one who will eventually forget about it as they only play sometimes (casually) Yes they buy the most wii's and ds, but they dont know what games are coming out, what new consoles or handhelds that are coming out or even the exsistance of E3 while games are either fun or boring there are still 2 different types of gamers, stop tryina sound like u know what ur talkin bout cuz i doubt u play wii horses
There are over 15 games that are considered "hardcore", that are coming out for the Wii in the next year. Lets see how the "hardcore" responds. They are Mario Wii Mario Galaxy Sin & Punishment Gladiator AD Grinder Metroid M Conduit Silent Hill Wii Cursed Mountain Final Fantasy CC Red Steel 2 No More Heroes 2 New Zelda Wii Monado Monster Hunter 3
this is definatly one of ninteno's better line ups in a while, hey u left out muramasa demon blade lol.
It is really not even worth debating. Hardcore follow the games, not the platform. Devs follow the consumer (if their smart), the consumer has chosen Wii.
That's why it's easily NO, IMO. Because - if the hardcore follow the games - Nintendo is lacking the hardcore games. The CASUAL consumer has chosen Wii.
Its becoming an increasingly weak argument to say "Nintendo has no games". But I guess you feel if you keep telling yourself that it will become true, somehow.
That is all.