Prey on the 360 to run at only 30FPS

From IGN : "The PC version has been capped at a smooth 60 FPS, while the Xbox 360 version will run at a steady 30 FPS, and the single-player game is, with the exception of a few down-sampled textures here and there, gorgeous. Also, it's the exact same content on both systems. Built on the Doom 3 engine, both versions, from what we saw, are running smoothly, fast, and beautifully."

[Dectrov]

So 360 can't do even this properly!!!
Only 30fps,Shame on you 360!!

[TheMART]

Well at least we got Prey and PSZero won't. Hell right, the games for PSZero even get cancelled because it's too expensive to make them. Furtheron, did you see ingame footage of Warhawk?

Now go and laugh about that! PS2 graphics, walking the character looks like a bad version of GTA with total silly looking other things walking around. And that frame rate... Would that be 20 FPS I see there? haha

[achira]

doom3 is alot better than this boring game, look at the caracters, there are only 3 polygons. the only good think are the jokes the main character makes. no one will miss this game on the ps3 !!! there are tons of better games. a pc is stronger than the xbox360. ms kids all the xbox fans, as if it had 3 POWER CPUs with 3.2 GHZ what a joke. oh, and the xenos is from the last generation, thats the poof, hahaaaaa. its your fault, if you had never started to bash the ps3, i would be calm, but its time for ravange !!! you see, it would be better if you had shut up your mouths. loosers.

[TheMART]

I would have expected you.

Just wait untill you saw the demo for real, or play the game on a 360.

The PC using 60 FPS might be in perfect conditions with a dual SLI card who know what kind of 6.000 dollar PC.

I knew you would come around. Having no PSZero to play with, seeing games cancelled because it's too expensive to produce on a PSZero, CPU might be downtuned from 3.5 Ghz to 3.2 Ghz then to 2.8 Ghz... Man even don't start, the console you're waiting for is a year to late for next gen. Go watch Warhawk now that looks pretty ain't it?

Seen the walking character? That would even be worse as a PS1 trying to run a GTA game.

There is even no ingame footage that shown us games like Prey let alone to justify 600 dollars expensive console that doesn't exist.

[achira]

yes there is no ps3 till november, so i have a lot time to read the news. but whats with you, you are alway at the ps3 news, bashing the ps3, although the xbox360 is nearly a year released. so you are the loooooser !!! if your xbox360 is so good, why dont you play it ??? why are you the one with almost the most comments ?? yes we know it xbox360 is boring, you proof it yourself. i swear you, when the ps3 will be released, you will miss me on this site, because i will play the real next gen console.

oh, and i already played the prey demo. and with my 1.5 year old pc it was very smoooooth. so dont talk crap. this game hast not high requirements ! and the xbox360 loooses up, like you

[THAMMER1]

You are a problem but you know what. I bet bet your plate of crow is waiting in NOV. 2006 or maybe not untill spring 2007. I cant wait to see your post then.

[Xtrm L1481L1TY]

Oh sorry dude. I accidentally clicked on spam/offensive under your post. I meant to click disagree on the post beneath you.

[bernie]

The 360 movies on IGN's site look great, and there's a lot more info about the game, glad I pre-ordered it now! I recommend reading the preview, here's the link again.

http://uk.xbox360.ign.com/a...

enjoy!

[TheMART]

'Only'?

Come on. The human eye will see framedrops when it comes under 24 FPS. So who cares if it's 60 or 30 FPS. As long as it looks smooth. This is the most important thing to know:

" Also, it's the exact same content on both systems. Built on the Doom 3 engine, both versions, from what we saw, are running smoothly, fast, and beautifully. "

Done. Buy it

[Moostache]

To all the geniuses out there who think that 60 fps is a big deal for some reason....go check your TV signal and get back to me on what Hz it runs at....

Here's a hint : it is about half of 60 fps...60 FIELDS per ssecond is the signal on a television, but since every FIELD is 1/2 of a FRAME in an interlaced TV source, it really runs at.....30 FRAMES per second.

To insist that the developers limited the game Prey to 30 FPS because of hardware limitations is assinine. The real reason is simple - the intended display devices for the MAJORITY of the consumer base. Non-digital, non-HDTV owning homes have TVs as their main display device - these sets do NOT have the capability of showing anythign greater than 30 FPS regardless. Since HDTV is NOT the accepted widespread standard we wish it would be already, game manufacturers, especially CONSOLE manufacturers, must account for this by programming their games to take advantage of the least common denominator of technology that the game will be run on.

On the PC side, it is a different story, since all PC monitors are inherently progressive scan and can handle 60 FPS (that is FRAMES, NOT FIELDS) with ease. On the PC side, the developers do not have to worry about customers using antiquated displays to vuiew the games and as such they can make it run at whater refresh rate they want.

Do not be fooled, the XB360 hardware is NOT the reason the game will run at a slower refresh rate on the console side, the dispalys used by 90% of the population IS the reason.

Read here for additional background on the subject before trying to sound like an expert:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...

If the screen (frame) refreshes twice in the time the display can only display one frame - as is the case on analog, non-HD TV sets - does running at 60 FPS matter? Sure, it does on an HDTV or on a computer monitor, but not on a regular TV. The percentages of people who own HDTV is low, so naturally the percentage of XB360s running on an actual HDTV is also low. It is a business decision - not ahardware limitation.

Now, all of that said, as an HDTV owner and an XB360 owner, I think it does suck a little bit that they would do this on the developer side. especially when it has been shown with COD2 that a 60FPS FPS with intensive visuals is very possible and beneficial on the 360. MS should take some of the blame for allowing it, but they also want to see the best possible images on the largest number of screens. While I understand the logic, I am not happy about it....

[Gamer13]

ill still buy this game for my 360 - ive seen alot of gameplay trailer of the 360 version and it looks good, But ill wait for a review first - but im sure it will score a good mark.

[super bill]

see the ps3 is getting cancel nowbye 3rd party developers who games are two expensive to make for the ps3.just have a look at thesis.

[achira]

its only one developer ! if it were a good game sony would support them but i bet it was sh!t, thats the reason of the lack of support. but there are games which were canceled on the xbox360 to, see Assasins Creed. So whats you point ? there are many games, and there are many games which are cancelled.

[TheMART]

It will be the first of many games for PSZero that are cancelled mark my words.

You are funny Achira. Assassins Creed cancelled for 360? Don't think so my friend, give links if you can

Assassins Creed is just being know not to be exclusive for PSZero. It runs on a 360

[achira]

hahahaha it runs on a xbox360, please stop taking so many drugs, loooooooooooooser.

[TheMART]

So if you can only talk in these kind of words we know you're like ssj for sure. Go watch yourself then also

http://www.pwned.nl

And now show me the links Assassins Creed would be cancelled for 360.

Nonsense because it won't happen and you know it.

You go play Warhawk maybe spring 2007. A system from 600 dollars with only that game it's a laugh

[Dark Samurai]

30 fps is playable but it's the average frame rate , when it comes down to 20 or even 15 then it won't be playable... (Quake4 anyone?) Nearly every 360 game has frame rate problems. I'll be getting Prey on PC instead of this piece of junk.

[achira]

yes thats right, its all the hype from ms, sony is not the only one who hypes, ms does too. i will bet Gears of War will a disappointment too. but i dont know, only time will tell. its better not to look forwart for a game so badly, than the disappointment is not so big.

[TheMART]

First of Dark Samurai, do you own a 360
Second, this is your first post, not another nick of ssj? ;)

Achira you are the real fanboy next to ssj. Did MS ever stated Prey to be 60 FPS? How can you ever say that GoW will be a dissappointment. You know it was the best game rewarded on E3 and playable in a demo everybody was knocked of their feet because it played like a dream.

Man 30 FPS no one will see the difference with 60 FPS. If it's a fixed 30 FPS (which it looks like) it won't get down to 20 or something like that.

See Warhawk, now that has framedrops and ugly graphics

[MONTY 187]

achira did you see the gears of war presentation at e3, obviously not if you question it. Also if prey looks good at 30fps, ie the difference is not noticable, then what is the issue!

PS i dont think you should be so hard on ms when you have never played a ps3. How exactly do you know how much better it is??

[achira]

theMart you are right, there is no so much difference between 60 and 30 fps. but who says that it runs always at 30fps ??? they will be sure situations the game will run with under 20 fps. and than you have frame drops, like in nearly every xbox360 game !!! so 60 fps is better, there will never be slow downs.

[TheMART]

You are really constantly talking out of your ass. Framedrops in every game. Right. You don't even have a 360 let alone all games that are out there.

You are just as bad as ssj

Now go watch the framedrops in Warhawk ingame footage in the article on this side. And the great graphics when the character is walking. That's sooooo PS1

[FamoAmo]

"while the Xbox 360 version will run at a steady 30 FPS"

- It says steady so yep its always 30 frames!!

[Wotbot]

Does any one know how many cores the game is running on? And are they using all the hardware threads?

I think the developer is struggling with the triple core architecture that’s all.

GOW blows these graphics out of the water, so there should be no reason why this should not run at 60 FPS other than poor triple core management.

[achira]

the reason is the xbox360 is not so powerfull, lime microsoft hyped. i bet gears of war will have bad frame drops, if they dont reduce the graphic quality. and who knows it this game ran on a real xbox360 at the E3 ??? perhaps it was a with more power, only to hype. noone knows.

[TheMART]

You really do know nothing.

Developpers and researchers have stated, PS3 and 360 are about capable of doing the same things on screen. BUT PS3 is harder to program and will take longer to get it out of the machine. Furthermore, the GPU of the 360 is better, also because of the 512 MB memory, where the RSX is cut up in 256 MB maximum. Don't forget about the 10 MB embedded fast Ram @ 360 GPU also.

If you think the 360 is weak, you'll be f*cked with the PSZero for sure

[RBlaze]

lol, i dont get how you can consistently say how good the PS3 is without playin it, then burn 360 games when ingame footage has been seen!

[Dark Samurai]

To tell the truth, I'm a PC fanboy not a console gamer. I used to visit this site when it was called ps3today...so, yeah it's the first post for me on the "new" site. and who's ssj?
I don't have a 360 but I had a plan to buy one for Prey.... now I'm thinking about upgrading my PC instead. I hope PS3 will live up to the hype.

[achira]

i have a x800xt. and this game runs very good with this graphic card (at least the demo). with resolution 1280*1024 and all details on !!! it runs smoothly like doom3.

[Dark Samurai]

Great! So i don't need to upgrade! It should run nicley on my PC too (have a 6800GT).
I'm looking forward to PS3 and I know it will shine. PS3 will be my first game console. ;)

[mikeeno7]

I am a 360 fanboy all the way, but the xbox 360 should be able to manage 60fps easily. Other games have managed and it is supposed to be better than current PCs for a year or two. I smell developer laziness here...

[JPomper]

See, that's what I'm thinking. The 360 hardware should be able to handle every bell and whistle the Doom3 engine can throw at it.

[Dark Samurai]

"it is supposed to be better than current PCs for a year or two"

It's called hype. A current high end PC is far stronger than the 360. My proof is Oblivion, Prey and other games that run far better on current PCs.

[TheMART]

Nope Dark Samurai. Those are called easy done ports.

Too bad, but true. It's all based on time. When the 360 will be out a bit longer, when the gamerbase is one of the main one compared to PC, it will be developed for 360 then ported to PS3 and maybe PC.

See Gears of War. It's developed on and exclusively for 360. That looks mind blasting.

Oblivion is still a port. It's no hype. There's yet nothing on the market like the 360 GPU with 10 MB embedded ram on top of the 512 MB ram. The 48 pixel/shader pipelines combined makes it comparable to nothing on PC market right now. And don't forget: consoles are optimized to do only one thing best: playing games (at least, the 360 is, the PSZero is a PC according to barbie Ken)

So it's all about lame ports or bad programming. Wait and see

[THAMMER1]

The 360 is capable to produce 60 fps. But the game is actually a port. It ports a 30fps because that is a base. Just like 780p is a base or standard. Pc dev. knows that PC are more flexible than consoles because owners can just up grade. But if your console is not upgradeable but the game is still playable. Ackira has yet to experience the next gen yet that is why he acts so ignorant.

[Schmitty07]

It sounds really dumb

[TheMART]

The moment that I don't see xbox 1.5 or xflop 1.5 flying around I'll do. Oh and when for sure it's out there @ Christmas and not delayed till spring 2007

[Alexander]

The 360 version is locked at 30fps, whereas the PC version can max at 60fps, if you have the hardwear/cash for the hardware. It's not a big deal atall, look at the phrasing in the original artical.

[THAMMER1]

Sony groupies like ACKIRA find any reason to bash and head hunt. In the end they just look dumb.

[Schmitty07]

It looks fine.

[Dark Samurai]

48 pipelines? X1900XTX has more pipes than 48 already, plus you don't count the TMUs and ROPs in the GPUs. Current high end GPUs have 16 of them (7900GTX has 24 TMUs) while the 360 GPU has 8 of them. Also, It's RAM is 128 bit while modern high end GPUs have 256 bit RAM. It's "Triple" core CPU is not comparable to an dual core Athlon or Pentium. It's cores are very small. 360 can't touch the PC, never.

[TheMART]

Again read my post. It's the total package combined.

1900XTX doesn't have MORE then 48 pipelines that's not right. It has the same amount of pipelines. BUT in the small extra's lies it's extra power.

The 10 MB embedded DRAM Framebuffer (256 GB/s bandwidth, 2GHz Bus). 1900XTX doesn't have it, PSZero won't have it. And it makes the difference.

And don't forget the PC looses power because of the problem programming on too much configurations. Consoles do just one thing: playing games (well barbie Ken says the PSZero is a PC but who still believes that guy...).

So yes, hardware is evolving on daily basis. On raw detail power PC will ofcourse get new products every day. If games are programmed on the 360 the right way it kicks *ss though.

It depends on how you take it can't touch the PC ever. It all is in the hands of producers at this time. Best thing is, that the 360 is known as easy to program. Could be that games are developed on 360 devkits and ported to PC and maybe PS3 in the end.

And one thing is for sure, buying a 1900XTX or any other new card cost you a fortune, then get the other hardware for a PC... You'll get all that for gaming for just 400 dollars/euro's.

[omegaheat]

I really think the guys that developed Prey are tooting their own horn a little. For a game that's been in development for so many years, it doesn't look much different from DOOM3. So the game already looks a bit long in the tooth. There's really not enough content to tax the 360's hardware. It's just not pushing the limits. As much pr as this game's been getting, it has alot to live up to. I'm sure the game will be fun, but it must shine in order to compensate for the development time. I did not use the word shine as a pun, but now that I've mentioned it, tone it down a bit and turn on the damn lights in this game. As for 30fps, that was more of a development decision when you consider crunch time, and has nothing to do with hardware limitation.

[FamoAmo]

The review say's this is the best looking 360 game to date. Its been in development for 11 years!! Its gonna be an awsome game.. All this its only 30 FPS not 60!!! Hello people 30 FPS is fine its gonna run smooth as hell at 30!!! 30-60 is not any difference to notice so STFU!!! Dark Samurai, and Achira are retards that know nothing about this game or technology!! Dark samurai is comparing the 360 to a top end 5k$ PC!!! Achira thinks 30 FPS is gonna suck... Both these idiots know nothing about anything they talk about... MARK MY WORDS PREY IS GONNA KICK ASS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[THAMMER1]

You see how they always try to post negative to start flame wars. I hope you guys are not trying to show how intelligent you are because you are failing miserably.

[Marriot VP]

PC ports barely ever perform better....cause ummm their ports.

Prey will still be a great port like oblivion, and even though on the PC it was better, us with 360's still loved it.

[The Real Deal]

To me its a give and take with which is better. PC or 360. Oblivion is a better experience on a 360 in my opinion. It looks just about identical to the pc version "IF" you have a maxed out PC. But the 360 on my 61 in DLP TV with thunderous surround sound is unmatched as a complete HD experience. And the difference in the 30 fps refresh rate and 60 is minimal. And some of the textures on the 360 and the lighting, smoke effects, look better than a cutting edge PC. Its wierd. All in all even editors at IGN PC say that the pc version and 360 versions look pretty much identical. But to me for 300 dollars and sitting comforably in my living room with speakers blasting and a wide screen hd tv. I love it. You have to have a 500 dollar video card just to be in the same realm as a video console thats 200 dollars less. And some things the 360 can do is still not being tapped into yet. Also...No games for the PC can do some of the graphical things that Perfect Dark Zero could do. You will see develpers really getting the most out of the 360 the more they learn and work with it. So to be able to get up to speed and make games look the same as top of the line PC's and they are ports...wait till they actually take advantage of the 360. Keep in mind that games are only as good as the developers. Right now Prey looks spectacular for the PC and the 360. Nothing comes close to that level of detail. And its now. Games look better and better as long as the developers have the right hardware and software tools to realize their visions. So games will always only look as good as the developers make them. The 360 doesn't make games. The ps3 doesn't make games. Developers Do. Remember that. So you wouldn't expcect a pc ported game to look better than intended for the Pc using a cutting edge 3000 dollar pc. But if you can get it to look as good on a 300 dollar machine. That says alot with it being a port. Exclusives will show the difference from what is possible on a 360 compared to a PC.

[FamoAmo]

The difference is gonna be so minimal its rediculous to argue or talk about. Both will be great!!!!!!!!!!!

[96impala]

I absolutely love my xbox 360.

[PS360PCROCKS]

lol your fighting over frame rates, man game battling is getting desperate...