Wedbush Morgan analyst Michael Pachter has stated that there is no point in making mature games for the DS.
So what he is saying that its pointless to make great games for the DS. Im actually glad they made it. Chinatown Wars is more fun then GTA4. I like Pacther, hes a pretty cool old guy, and I know hes speaking about business sense, but really what we need is more good games on the system, not less.
Well your not going to get a whole lot more when it sells 60 thou to a user base of 100 million. (Meaning M rated games)
Look, I appreciate your point about needing better games on the DS, but let's face it. Handhelds are considered "gaming systems for kids". That's not entirely fair, but at the same time, it's not far off the mark. The perception is that the DS and the PSP are aimed towards younger kids. Everyone knows the history of GTA, and parents just aren't going to be buying that game for their kids. Patcher is correct, imo.
sad isnt it. It's sad to see that such awesome games have no real future on the ds. On psp it would have sold ALOT better, i really hope nintendo manages to attract a more "mature" Audience in the future.
I don't think that's true. Last time I got on a plane, there were 4 people with PSPs and a bunch with DS. Everyone with a PSP was an adult and everyone with a DS was a child.
I really have a big issue with playing my DS nowadays. There are only a few quality titles e.g. Zelda, Professor Layton, Henry Hatsworth etc. All I'm waiting for is Golden Sun really, and I haven't played my DS in a while. I don't see what everyone thinks is so great about it. The PSP is much better, even though I haven't played that much lately either, it just has more quality titles. On topic - I think sometimes, the devs have to learn the hard way. You can say the same about Okami, MadWorld, and I'd even be surprised if the Conduit sells well now. All these games DESERVE fantastic sales, but they're not even outselling crappy 360/PS3 multiplats
No one's saying developers should stop making great games for the DS, they're saying they should stop making mature games for it. Since when did a game have to be rated M to be considered "great"? Henry Hatsworth and Professor Layton are awesome games for all ages. As long as they keep making games like these I'll be happy.
To everyone that disagreed with me,,, go f*ck yourselves. I dont care if I get banned for life. All of you little b*tches take bubbles, disagree for no reason but because your [email protected] with no f*cking life. I hate all of you, im done with commenting on this site cause no matter what, I got fanboys on both sides that give me hell for not being biased. Then I got you @ssholes that hate me simply because I give honest and truthful opinions. Go f*ck yourselves. better yet, go get laid, Im sure there are more things that you can do with your lives then to sit here and give someone hell for no apparent reason. BTW, go ahead, sit here and troll all f*cking day. I will be playing on my new 106 inch screen with my 1080p 120 hz projector while most of you are still using the tvs your mommy and daddy bought you 2 years ago. I have all systems, enjoy them, and I hope to god publishers stop trying to cater to you retards and start making games that matter. Most of you dont want good games on the ds just so you can play you mediocre ones on your pathetic little tvs on your fav console, All of you are the reason why hardcore is dying. F*ck you all. Just die , your wasting everyone, including your loved ones time with your petty bullsh*t. F*ck you too mods for having favorites, and only banning people that make sense on this piece of crap site. All of you can burn in hell for all I care.
@dragon your taking gaming FAAAR to serious, go a out little meet friends etc. your kinda on the edge...
Its so true, games like GTA:CW, Madworld, Okami and TWEWY are all wasted on the Wii and DS casual audience. All great games but the people who would really appreciate them all got HD consoles or a PSP. But then again a lot of those games wouldnt be as good as they are without Nintendo's unique control schemes
I disagree with the last two because Okami failed on the PS2 as well and the sales of TWEWY mean nothing as it's done as well(if not better) than most of Square's RPGs. Just not as well KH, FF or DQ.
I really wish this guy would just retire and leave the guessing of the gaming industry to the fanboys.
As often as pachter may be wrong, he still makes his predictions based on statistics and not just wild guessing and although everyone seems to think they can do a better job then him i swear you wouldnt even be close. And this is not a prediction, its the truth. Its not profitable to make mature games for the DS.
I can't stand that pr*ck, but he might be right about this. For once.
People blame it upon the DS demographics, but personally I think piracy/R4 is just as much to blame. I've found GTA:CW torrents with over 100,000 total downloads. More than the game has yet sold. All you hear about is PC and to a lesser extent 360 piracy. But the DS is probably the worst culprit because of it's tiny file sizes.
PSP is even worse though, you dont really need something like an R4 to allow pirated games to be played on the console.
Ridiculous. The PSP requires homebrew, something that the majority of PSP owners know nothing about. The R4 is easily available and my granny to put a copied game on it. The PSP is no where near as bad as the DS. Example: Its estimated 90% of North American DS owners own the R4 http://blog.wired.com/games... There is no way that anywhere near that percentage of PSP owners have homebrew, let alone understand it. "In America it's thought 90 per cent of Nintendo DS users are playing pirated games because of R4s," said John Hiller, manager of the ELSPA's Intellectual Property Crime Unit." Check some torrent sites if you wish, DS games have far higher DL totals than that of PSP. Oh and if you do disagree, please explain why.
Are you serious!? PSP piracy is a hell of a lot worst than the DS. I dont know anyone who has a PSP and doesnt use torrented ISOs. Infact it seems like the only people who dont know about it is the Japanese The DS on the other hand, well i didnt even know the DS could be pirated until buying like 4 games for it and deciding it wasnt worth my money to buy more games so i googled it to see if it was possible and i managed to find out about it. And that was ME, and i personally think i know quite a bit about games EDIT: The reason DS games got higher downloads could be cause the same person dwnloads multiple versions of the same game just cause the size is so small. Even i do that because a lot of the time the DS roms dont work and you have to find one which works with your M3/R4 card. Unlike PSP isos where they will work regardless and if they dont its usually the firmware not the dwnload
Considering a single firmware update can make your PSP very difficult to do homewbrew on, I'm much more inclined to believe PSP isn't as pirated. The latest edition of the PSP also has a physical limitation that prevents any form of homebrew, at all. The PSP isn't *difficult* to "hack" if you know what you're doing, and you have the necessary equipment. Pandora battery, early firmware and preferably, a PSP Phat. In some cases, specific titles are needed too. Each one of these, that you lack, makes it more and more difficult. The lack of an early firmware, and a PSP Slim will most likely push it past the ambitions of a good 80% of the PSP market. I don't know any people in Real Life who have home-brew enabled PSP's [I use it for PS1 games, that I own, mind], outside of myself, and I know a fair number of PSP owners. Every single person I've met with a DS, has R4 installed, and a pretty large number of games already installed. Anecdotal, but none the less, to say it's easier to "hack" PSP is ignorant.
90%!? That is ridiculous just proves you shouldn't believe eveything you read, someone forgot to carry the one or something because there is no way that figure is true. Can you imagine all of the moms and dads knowing what r4 is, then ordering it online? I can't. Edit: Yeah I agree that it is extremely easy to pirate games on it and that it is highly pirated, but that doesn't mean 90% of ds owners have r4 cards, if they did there would be virtually no sales for any game since the people who went to the trouble of getting r4 cards didn't do it for nothing.
Ok, another example, using Mininova and the top seeded game in each category: PC: Fallout 3, total DLs = 59,951 360: The Godfather 2, total DLs = 4,172 PSP: Resistance Retribution, total DLs = 33,903 DS: Professor Layton, total DLs = 84,162 Or more related to the article. GTA:CW, total DLs = 53,570 heroicjanitor: I think the ELSPA's Intellectual Property Crime Unit have a better idea of the numbers than you or I. They came up with the 90%, not me. Omega4: "The reason DS games got higher downloads could be cause the same person downloads multiple versions of the same game just cause the size is so small" What? Why would anyone do that? Rather than just copy it. We can all imagine the weak sales are due to the DS demographic (and they largely are), but there is no denying those numbers and the part they would have played in effecting sales.
I'm gonna go ahead and agree with Fishy, the DS is A LOT easier to hack than the PSP. You just buy a card, and that's it. The PSP hacking actually requires thought and RISK, meaning some people won't even try it. DS hacking is so bad, that one time I got on a train, and old lady sat next to me. She pulls out a pink DS Lite. So I'm thinking "She's probably going to play Brain Training", but no. It loads up to, what I assume is, the R4 menu screen, she scrolls down, and starts playing Lego Batman DS! PSP games sell less on average because the install base is like half of what DS's is. 50 million to 100 million+!
i didnt disagree with you BTW, its just the thought of seeing a friend of mine easily hack into a PSP with an ease the other day was just the thing that helped me to get to that theory.
Thats what Nintendo has become sad graphics and gimmick controls like touch screens and motion sensing controlls for those that can't handle real controllers or pushing some handheld buttons.
yeah man, we got it! now calm down. if you don't like Nintendo anymore - fine for you. i play videogames for over 20 years and i think the DS + the Wii are good for what they are. DS games are 10x more fun than anything on the PSP. do you really think millions of gamers are blind? Chinatown Wars may not sell that good but it's definitely more fun than GTA IV and all the PSP GTAs combined.
I have: DS, ps2, Wii, 360 and psp I play videogames for over 10 years, and now my favorites are DS and 360. Seriously, i think that my DS is more fun than my PSP, and the GTA: Chinatown wars is more more more fun than any other GTA (not the GTA IV). Stop crying, stop being fanboy and let's shake hands and play videogames
Its pointless for you (pachter) to comment on anything seeing as you are wrong 99.9 percent of the time. It is not pointless for companies to make "GOOD" games, be it mature or not, to expand thier user base.
sweet two disagrees for no reason.
As hardcore gamers, majority of us doesn't look at Nintendo as a competitor. Their fanbase are casual gamers that want fun games to play. we look at Nintendo's lineup like their games are weak. Mario brand is the strongpoint of Nintendo, everyone else just falls short. BUT..., casual gamers are just as strong as us Hardcore gamers. In casual gaming, Nintendo doesn't have no rival. Microsoft is trying. Sony I truthfully see that many family games out there. Madworld is a crazy game that I tried over my friends crib the other day. Trust me when I say this.., "THE GAME IS FUN TO PLAY"!!! Just be sure you're around a Mature audience when you play it. Point is this, Nintendo systems are built for the casual audience. You'll never know. One day, hardcore games may rise to the occasion in the Nintendo world. Feel free to agree or disagree or add-on to what I'm saying.
most ds user are kids and the game was really strong pirated with R4 and emulators
There are hardcore gamers with a DS (or Wii) but the majority of the audience for these types of games probably are elsewhere. Its nice to see that Nintendo is getting some love with mature games and such, but the target audience for such games is pretty small on Nintendo consoles.
i think this game would have been well suited to XBOX live / PSN. I'd buy it for definate, beena big fan of the gta series since the first game on PC
They could have just made another PSP game as well if they wanted it to be portable. But then again, I'm not really sure how the PSP GTAs sold, and don't want to look it up. However, the PSP seems like a better fit.
Games in Nintendo machines usually have more legs than in Sony or Microsoft's. As such, I think that, despite the disappointing first weeks, we should wait a little longer before giving a verdict. Also, as Fishy Fingers pointed out, piracy also hurts DS sales and I believe it is more likely to have more pirates among the hardcore gamers than the casual ones.
he's right ... the hardcore audience is already pirating the game on their DS Lite
i used to think the ds was harder to hack, as time went on, it was actually much easier than the psp yes, you do need to buy something.. but it's easier for the general audience to do that than it is to learn how to hack the psp.. and i used to do it back with the memory swap trick.. now i don't even pick my psp up anymore the games on it are watered down console games and the features seem like even more of a gimmick than the ds believe it or not my friend actually bought a psp despite me warning him the ds was better for his rpg needs.. he hasn't bought a single game ever, he thought he was going to hack it.. he still hasn't.. such a paper weight anyways, this game is more fun than gta iv.. but maybe the gta audience just don't like the top down perspective?
Didn't quite turn out that way did it? Now that it sold less than 90,000 he's gonna step up and give us more "sage advice" http://www.gamespot.com/ds/... Read the first paragraph. He doesn't know what he's talking about, he reads the blogs and press releases, checks the message boards and comes up with his "analysis"... which is often quite wrong. Go back and compare his bold statements with the actual results. I'm talking about bold statements and predictions, not "the wii will outsell the others in the 2008 holiday season" - any tard could tell you that. I'm just annoyed that this guy has become "the voice" and the all knowing wise man of video game industry sales when clearly (if you do the research) he's just taking a bunch of easy and obvious "predictions" and mixing them in with some more bold ones every now and then - which often turn out to be wrong.
the good thing about pachter is he admits when he is wrong, which just latley seems more often than not, why are they paying him? lol
"The second handheld GTA, PSP's Grand Theft Auto: Vice City Stories (released October 31, 2006 in North America), sold 50,670 units for the Americas in its opening week. In 4 weeks time the accumulated North American sales was 134,275 units." http://news.vgchartz.com/ne... The chinatown wars did better than Vice City stories in the first week, and did better in the first 4 weeks. This GTA will be more than 1 million, is just a matter of time, i know that the DS have a great install base, but is selling more than VCS, it is enough, probably the Chinatown wars should have cost less to make than the VCS, so... this game is not bombarded, the fanboys in the internet are not seeing more widely, any news they get for talking bad. and the chinatown wars only sold in 1 WEEK, almost 2 weeks in March, how you guys want this game selling 450.000 in March if the Vice city stories make 134.000 in 4 weeks? This is GTA for a portable system, let's compare with another GTA for another portable system and not with GTA IV.
I think the people who would be likely to buy this are the same people who pirate games...knowledgeable hardcore gamers. This is why the psp isn't doing too hot. Us gamers want everything, and many will screw companies over for it.
I disagree with all of your disagrees. Your all pathetic children. Sure im acting immature as well, but you guys have pushed me passed my boiling point already. You guys are oblivious to the fact that its all of you that make the games we play suck so bad. You want hardcore games not to sell on the ds or wii? Well guess what? Thats teh biggest market, and if they dont sell well there, what makes you think they are gonna release more hardcore games on your pathetic little hd consoles. You guys dont have a f*cking clue what you are talking about. Damn children. Damn you all to hell.
errrm... seriously, you are drunk? dont need this
so what are you saying? that hardcore games dont sell on the HD consoles? games like halo gears unchartered killzone cod gta etc
Dude chill! Only haters don't want hardcore games to sell on the DS and the Wii, if a game's good it should do good which is why everyone should be doing their part and buying the great games when they come along. You don't have to freak out though, just ignore them.
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