Top 5 Ways Xbox 360 Has Beaten PS3

"The numbers are in and a clear victor has emerged. It only took two generations for Microsoft to beat out the veteran Sony and cement the 360 as the core gamer's console. Who is to say what new heights they can achieve in the coming years?

Top 5 Ways Xbox 360 Has Beaten PS3:

5) Third Party Exclusives
4) XBLA & Community Games
3) Price
2) Persistence
1) And top reason is..."

[swingingape]

Between the two, I use my 360 to play games. My PS3 to play movies.

[anh_duong]

if you really enjoy computer games you should buy both. times of console x versus console y comparisons are over. only useless journalist with nothing to write about dwell over things that are unimportant compared to the games that are available to both systems.

it's like comparing a ferrari with a lambourghini. who cares. i would like them both. and as a car enthusiast you would obviously want both. so if you are a games enthusiast you should want both consoles instead of comparing which is better. people who hate consoles forget what really matters and are denying themselves the opportunity to enjoy the games.

am i the only one who is sick of comparisons - be that ps3 is better or xbox is better???

[redsquad]

Then you're missing out on something truly special, in my opinion.

[Why o why]

nice, pointless. this gen is still on the UP imo. lets enjoy them for now and the 1st poster/contributor is wasting a machine because that 2007 logic is way way redundant now. Too much stuff to play on the cheap unless you only play the games that went multiplatform that were previously exclusive to sony or the few 360 exclusives..

[urban bohemian]

And for every 360 point I read, I could think of one that is pro PS3.

The consoles are evenly matched and both have their own strengths and weaknesses. I have a feeling sales will end up pretty even in the long run.

Obviously one will sell more, but I doubt by much.

If you can I would definitely recommend saving up to buy both.

[mugoldeneagle03]

The source of this article is "xboxist.com"? Who do you think they are going to side with...

And I don't really get these points. Sure XBL is better overall, but PSN isn't that far behind, and it's free. In a few updates they'll be nearly identical.

Third Party exclusives hardly matter anymore, what does are exclusives, and Sony's proven they clearly have the better lineup this year, and past.

Everyone knows Sony is going to drop the price, that's a given, but shouldn't Sony get more credit for selling as many units as they did at the $500/$600 price tag? You think if the 360 launched at the same time with the same competition (Wii) it still would have sold as it did in 2005?

*But my main stance on all of this*

Is that the PlayStation 3 has clearly paved the way of the future. Someone tell me what the Xbox 720, or whatever Microsoft calls their next console, can release in store of features that will out-do the PlayStation 3 and at the same time launch at the same or cheaper price as the PlayStation 3 did. It won't. And the tables will turn.

[anh_duong]

why o why, i think the phenomena of fanboyism has peaked this generation. why? because most hardcore gamers (the ones who actually enjoy gaming) that come to this forum are dual/triple console owners... the worst thing is having nintendo, ms or sony leave the gaming market without getting replaced... enjoy the games not the consoles - there is so little to choose between the xbox and ps3 in terms of benefits and disbenefits.. it is like arguing whether a lambourghini is better than a ferrari..

only lazy journalists with nothing to write about come out wth articles saying one console is better.. hitwhores have no place in gaming..

[mastiffchild]

But here's the thing. I have all three and a decent PC and use my 360 least these days. Why? Because I generally prefer my PS3 and the DS controller but also I do feel that MS are doing less in the way of making more IP for the future of gaming and gamers(also feel that ua gamers paid heavily for them not testing the 360 long enough just to jump sony and tempt devs towards them which didn't actually make any more games either)than Sony -god knows what Ninty are doing.

Hopefully this E3 won't be more politics and MS can find some Gears quality new IPs for me to play on my 360 as KH3 goes multi is just bouing to me these days like the FF13 was last time out. I just want more games and don't see how paying for DLC while shutting creative studios does this.

[SL1M DADDY]

Sorry, but the author fails. People need to care less about the sales aspect of the consoles and focus more on games but let's be honest, the Xbox fanboys seems to stick their head in the NPD sand a bit too often and completely ignore the World Wide sales that reflect Sony outselling the 360 year after year.

So to the Xbox fanboy I ask, why is it that the world ends at the shores of North America? When will the rest of the world matter to you?

To the legitimate Xbox fans... Please do not let idiots like the author of this article represent you. Please let fanboys like this know that silly, uneducated fanboy talk like this is just not necessary and the true matter at hand is games, and games alone.

[ultimolu]

I use my PS3 for games and movies. What kind of a gamer are you if you don't recognize the fact the PS3 has really good games to play?

And you people brag about having two consoles? What's the use of having two consoles and you alienate one console for the other?

[Perjoss]

@ urban bohemian

a truly unbiased opinion, we need more people around here like this. what most gamers sadly fail to see is that its in everyone's interest that both the ps3 and 360 do well, its never a good thing when 1 brand dominates over all others, right now MS and Sony are trying very hard to out-do each other, if one of them soars ahead of the other they will stop trying so hard.

[All-3]

Ehhhhhh?

A console exclusive is a console exclusive - not matter how you slice and dice it.

--> Everyone knows Sony is going to drop the price, that's a given...

Everyone's forgotten that Sony HAS dropped the price of the PS3 already.

--> Is that the PlayStation 3 has clearly paved the way of the future. Someone tell me what the Xbox 720, or whatever Microsoft calls their next console, can release in store of features that will out-do the PlayStation 3 and at the same time launch at the same or cheaper price as the PlayStation 3 did. It won't. And the tables will turn.

Technology shifts and changes and prices do too... nobody knows what the next home consoles will have --> BUT <-- you don't think BOTH Microsoft --> and Sony <-- haven't learned a thing or two about pricing from this generation? LOL...

[Pixel_Addict]

swingingape. I don't really know how anyone is suppose to take this seriously? A site called Xboxist having a high opinion of the XBOX 360... get out of town! Thats like asking a pornstar the top 5 reasons he/she like money. Not that I'm saying 360 sucks bla bla bla, but come on, you only use the PS3 for movies? Well good, you STILL needed to buy a PS3... eventually if you want to play:

God of War 3
Uncharted 2
inFAMOUS
Heavy Rain
M.A.G.

you'll have to use your PS3. Now if you want to play lets say........................... ............................... ............................... ...................... oh ok, I've got it uuuuuuuuuuuummmmmmmm... oh yeah there the Halo 3 expansion aaaaaaaaand uuuuuuhhhh Allen Wake? I'm sure there's atleast one more coming out for the 360.

[ActionBastard]

Do you know the definition of "fool"?

[Trebius]

It's like comparing a ferrari to a lamborghini...except the ferrari breaks down 33% of the time randomly...makes you pay for the side view and overhead mirrors and headlights...it overheats...has an obnoxiously loud exhaust...rusts and scratches up the transmission for unknown reasons...and makes you pay an extra fee to drive with companions.

*ugh...that was uncalled for I know*

[All-3]

You're right...

--> Is that the PlayStation 3 has clearly paved the way of the future. Someone tell me what the Xbox 720, or whatever Microsoft calls their next console, can release in store of features that will out-do the PlayStation 3 and at the same time launch at the same or cheaper price as the PlayStation 3 did. It won't. And the tables will turn.

The "Xbox 720, or whatever Microsoft calls their next console" ... couldn't launch --> "at the same time launch at the same or cheaper price as the PlayStation 3 did"....

PS3 launched when? LOL!

[y0haN]

The only reason on that list I'd care about is the Xbox Live, Sony has amazing PSN titles, and the _1st party_ games they have coming out are so much better looking.

[Saigon]

I could complain about was the the first and second reason...everything else was based of off what he sees and hear each day from the media...

The author needs to realize that DEVS ARE NOT HAVING ISSUES DEVELOPING GAMES ON THE PS3...they only have problems when they port the game from the 360 to the PS3 because of the memory allocation...he also needs to take note that the PS3 is not losing exclusives because the 360 was on the market first...its because 3rd party devs need to find away to make money on these expensive games...the only resolution is to go multiplat...RE5 only sold out the PS3 in NA...if you look at the world numbers the PS3 leads...note how he did not say anything about street fighter...

Games on PSN are actually said to be more unique than what is on XBLA...and that has been said by many major gaming sites and magazines...

every one is going to have their own decision to what makes a console great...and this was his...

[pixelsword]

Kutaragi was correct: The 360 is fighting the PS2 and not the PS3: if you are fighting the PS3, they would bring up issues relevant to this gen like quality of titles, reliability of the console, and console life. This article addresses none of these issues. I'm not knocking sales, but if the author's going to include sales, the author has to include the Wii, which negates the whole article.

While I think the 360 is definitely a great console, and they well might retain their 2nd place status, I don't think this article speaks the truth; or is logical: since his conclusion is all based on NPD data, it speaks nothing to quality.

5. Exclusive DLC is a far cry to an exclusive game; to which the 360 isn't leading there by far. Every title that the author named is now a multiplatform, because if yo named the truly great ones, you'll have to go not only in the past, but you will have to go back to the same ones: Gears, Mass Effect, and other games that aren't truly exclusive, since you can play them on the PC. The only thing you list that could qualify as exclusives are JRPG's, which have been stinking and lacks the quality that this gen is capable of as of late.

4. XBLA titles are numerous, but the quality overall is lacking. I need to go not much further in proving that. Braid and that new ninja game are the only two worth talking about are are acclaimed critically; which still can't touch games like Flower, The Last Guy, PixelJunk Eden, Echochrome, Wolf of the Battlefield: Commando, Ratchet and Clank: Quest for Booty, and if you want to split hairs, Warhawk; which blows the 360's online games list out of the water. But, I still must mention, I think Braid is a very cool game.

3. This isn't even worth mentioning, as the 360 has the highest priced sku out with the EA pack, costing over $500... which doesn't even matter, because if you're talking about value, you're talking about a console that breaks a lot, costing time, plus being charged to play online, which is like buying a hamburger, then paying a fee for eating it. And you keep on bringing up the core, which Even Greenburg says sells less than the mid-SKU. That argument is weak because you don't bring-up the other prices nor the fact that you get more for your money with the PS3 because the Core 360 and PS3 (any SKU) aren't equal because the PS3 comes with more out the box: if you make the 360 equal to the PS3 with the 360's add-ons, the 360 will cost more, every time.

2. Microsoft may try again and again, but this success isn't the result of Microsoft "trying again", it's the result of them getting out one year earlier, which also proves that they are losing ground: Microsoft claimed that they sold ten million the first year, yet they are only around eight million ahead of the PS3, which show that they are losing numbers, and that's with the PS3's "more expensive sku", the "no games" the "no online". It only shows how weak that argument is.

1. XBL is a great online service, I agree with that; but it's not a deciding factor by no stretch of the imagination, else the Wii would be in last place and not the PS3. The Wii is in first place for the same reason the 360 is in second place: Cost. If all three consoles were the same price, you would easily see the PS3 in first, as the PS3 was beating the 360 in sales in 2008 all last year until the 360 dropped the price. Microsoft knows what keeps them in front: it's not XBL, the exclusives, the commercials or the sales of games on their consoles: it's the price. As long as

1. The 360's medium console is substantially cheaper than the PS3's highest SKU,

2. They can constantly bring down the price of the 360's cheapest SKU (stores will bait-and-switch themselves for profit)

Microsoft will sell more than Sony and market those strengths to that effect.

McDonald's sells more burgers than a butcher sells fillet Mignon, but that doesn't mean a McDonald's burger is better because it sells more, the environment has more chatter, and more people go to it... it's because it's cheaper: which has nothing to do with quality.

[Einhander]

Opinion does not equal fact. Also this console generation is only 2 years old i don't know why people are calling winners already...

[mugoldeneagle03]

You're right...

--> Is that the PlayStation 3 has clearly paved the way of the future. Someone tell me what the Xbox 720, or whatever Microsoft calls their next console, can release in terms of features that will out-do the PlayStation 3 and at the same time launch at the same or cheaper price as the PlayStation 3 did. It won't. And the tables will turn.

The "Xbox 720, or whatever Microsoft calls their next console" ... couldn't launch --> "at the same time launch at the same or cheaper price as the PlayStation 3 did"....

PS3 launched when? LOL!

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Can you not read?

Take the Xbox 720 (hypothetical name)
+
Add whatever specs it needs to make it technically stronger than the PS3

And then see if it costs as much as the PS3 *DID* at launch and see if it *does* better..

What's so hard to understand about that? And to the disagrees I'd love to hear your opinion, though i doubt we'll ever hear it

[I did not murder him]

Same here. I don't know what there is to disagree with, thats how you use your consoles. I subscribed to Netflix so I can watch some popular TV series on my 360. I game on my 360 and mostly watch movies on my PS3 IMO the PS3 library is not that appealing. Love Blast Factor, Super Star Dust HD and LBP though.

I disagree with 1.11 3rd party games are the only games selling on the PS3 platform. The hot sellers are 3rd party games, 1st party games sell poorly on PS3.

[aksmashh]

Xbox Live Is One Best Things To Come Out This Generation
& For Third Partys Games I Only Wanted Left4Dead

Sell It Before Its Worth Nothing (Too Late)LMAO

[Jake1111]

"Between the two, I use my 360 to play games. My PS3 to play movies."

I have both systems. As a NON fanboy I can say this. If you say you have a PS3 and do not admit the fact that the PS3 has the most amazing games this gen.... You are either:

a) A fanboy

b) A liar.

Game consoles are about GAMES. The PS3 has the best GAMES out.

Therefore, it is without a doubt, the BEST Game console this gen.

Period.

[Beardown82]

Why the heck does he use XBLA twice? What an idiot. Probably to justify the fact that he pays $50 a year to play online....

[red5ive]

who the hell cares man?! these flame bait articles are pissing me off! and you morons are just feeding off this crap. GOD. DAMN. IT. go and play some games rather than sitting here and arguing about randomness.

[SDS Gamerfiend]

Me too! But I'm looking forward to Uncharted 2 and a few others. I haven't even picked up Killzone 2 yet! Can I use a xbox 360 wired controller to play Killzone 2?

[memots]

PC - PS3 - Xbox360

Pro -

Pc is the best visually and is the best for FPS and RTS.

Ps3 has great title and free online gaming.

x360 has Halo.

Con -

Pc - Expensive.

Ps3 - No cross game chat can be annoying.

xbox360 -- hmmm were do we start ...
-Pay again to play online a game you already paid 60$ for it??
-Is it gonna blow up after 2 hours of gaming ?
-I dont live by an airport but i still get a jet noise in my own living room while playing games.
-Killed a couple of my disc.
-Dvd ..what is this.. are we back in 1998 ? .
-No upcoming game except maybe osdt. Alan "pc tech demo" wake .. Really ?? that is it ?
-Sub par graphic.
-M$ asking more money on DLC for the same DLC on other console.
-Claiming to be the cheaper console and yet if you want the full experience you are gonna have to dish out a lot of extra money.
-Not compatible hardware.. what do you mean i have to buy a Ms wheel to play racing game the way they should be played. What about my g25??
- Too many rTarD on xbox live.

should i continue ?

Pc is the sheit , Ps3 is awesome and exciting . x360 is .... done.

[lcrkz0023]

In 5 years I would like some of you to return and re-read your posts so that you can see how retarded you sound. Why do you give a damn about which console is so-called winning. THEY ALL ARE WINNING!! They got your money, right. Nintendo, Sony, MS is not paying any of us, so why should you care. They all sold millons and millions of units. Instead of having this useless, childish, fatal attraction love crush on your favorite console, people need to go out buy all the consoles cuz what you are missing out on are some great games. Some of you are blind to the facts , its like you cant like more than one thing at a time. Time to grow up people, WAKE UP! ONLY GAMES MATTER! and last time I checked the more games the better. Only way to accomplish that is multi-consoles.

[pain777pas]

Comparisons are lame and I think M$ has done ok but when its all said and done Sony will be ontop of M$ and maybe Nintendo depending on how things go in Japan. I don't have any loyalty to M$ its just that simple I am not convinced that they even understand gaming at all. Its not very hard to explain my reasoning because I don't feel that M$ deserves the praise that there getting without showing that they have given it their all and are coming up short price to me is all that M$ has left that is compelling. All there major titles will be sequels and the mysterious Alan's Wake that I really cannot get hyped about it just seems ordinary at this point. I really hope M$ does something gaming wise this E3 not buy Sony games but pull off a Nintendo type gaming move that does something new not just copy everyone and market like you did it first. No more Ninja blade moves. M$ makes me sick that you guys actually think they care or understand gaming. No company would let Bioware and Bungie go unless they are clueless at the potential of their games exclusively on their platform. ME was a huge reason I got and xbox originally and now look its long gone. I cannot wait to see how you guys like it when M$ reps keep asking you what you want and you keep telling them they keep giving and meanwhile Sony brings out another innovative idea tech wise and Nintendo taking risks and this lame giant stays the same without anything no vision only purpose make money give consumers what they want now no future proof innovation all pathetic copying everyone around them. Online gaming started long ago with PC and primarily Dreamcast at home. they haven't done anything special except listen to music in games which is cool but I really don't care the only games I want that for are awful sounding puzzle games and racers and maybe some repetitive multiplayer games.

[Lfmesquite]

but the numbers will be in when both the PS3 and 360 are off the market. I didn't realize this generation was over.

[ravinash]

We're looking another 8 years down the line as well.
Thats a long time, recession will be over and both console would have been pushed to their limit. 360 had a good head start and has had the S*** marketed out of it.
But it can't drop too much in price now and Microsoft is lacking in 1st party devs. So does it have the legs to last that long or will MS try to jump the market by releasing the next gen early again?

[Why o why]

although SOME credible issues are noted......its a little too early to call a winner or say anything's 'beat' anything else especially when you cant see a finish line, i mean, who decided where or when the finish line is???? Also things like xbl and psn are dynamic and can add/tweak features. Yes the 360 is here to stay..granted but making articles like this just seems like premature ejaculation imo..the only people pleased are the ejaculators... Just my opinion

I notice the list has 3rd party exclusives on it (please list how many there are because the last time i checked they were actually in decline)..NOT exclusives games so where some things MS have 'beat' or are beating sony on some aspects by his own logic they have 'lost' or are losing to sony on others ie hardware, openness of psn exclusive games, 1st/2nd developer relationships etc.

The article is a touch 'unbalanced' to put it mildly and like I said a counter 5 reasons sonw-pwns could also be posted for us to bicker over by any of the weloveps3.net sites.

[ShabzS]

but props to microsoft they're in their second genereration and are giving sony a run for their money... without ms forget about online console gaming and trophies... 2 things you cant take away from xbox and xbox 360...

[Why o why]

'beat' to beating and i can agree with what you've said as 'beat is something that suggest its after the fact but from where im standing this gen is still ongoing and improvements can and will be made on both sides from hardware on MS's side to psn on sony's side. Great title fight though....definitely brings out a strange passion in the most rational people including myself sometimes;)

[edhe]

Hm.

Considering the state of last generation with the ps2 Sony was king.

Now considering they're third place i think Nintendo & MS have quite thoroughly stolen the crown from Sony and battered Sony around with it. And are now fighting over who's 'hardcore enough' to keep it.

[IcarusOne]

Whether you think they're winning or not, that's a matter of opinion. And while I agree with most of what this author says, I'm biased, and so I understand the Sony cult's rants.

It's refreshing to see pro-360 articles coming back. Regardless of where you stand in the console war, you have to give Microsoft respect for staying in the fight/owning the fight this far. Sony was certainly king, but then they got a little too drunk on that power and completely fumbled this gen right out of the gate.

They're slowly regrouping and coming back, but 360 will always be there.

[Valkyre]

I loled! :D

The source is completely unbiased!

Someone remind me what exclusives 360 has for 2009 , cause everytime i see the word "exclusive" lately , it is always followed by PS3 after...

[edhe]

Then how many years until it's out? ;)

MS are holding their cards close until E3 for the fun of it.

Otherwise we know.. nothing.

[boodybandit]

I see people posting this a lot - let's wait till E3 before deciding what MS has or has not.

Let me ask you an honest question (taking last years GDC, E3 and TGS into account). Do you honestly see MS surprising us with some all new top tier IP/possibly AAA title? Or do you think they will just announce and put dates on games that we already / most likely know are already in development like Forza 3, Alan Wake, Splinter Cell, ME2 (if it stays exclusive), Bioshock 2 (possibly being a timed exclusive), possibly a new PGR5 (although I read Bizzare isn't going to make one but Turn 10 might) or the rumored games from Rare becoming a reality like KI3, a new Conker, sequel to PD0, etc...? I know I am leaving a few out but I am getting up late this morning (I just got into Gears 2 online and played 3 hours past my bedtime trying to rank up) and just now I am having my first cup of java.

I have both consoles and I am always ready and willing to spend my hard earned disposable income on my favorite hobby (gaming) and I am really looking forward to E3 to see what both MS and Sony have in store for us "gamers" in 09 and beyond.

oh btw. Articles like the one above is a waste of space on N4G. All is does is add fuel to the already blazing firestorm that is N4G. It's a shame the articles about real gaming news get ignored for narrow mined flamebait articles like the one above. I miss the old days of gaming journalism when it was actually about GAMING! Today it's tabloid nonsense spewing negativity just to get hits and fuel fanboy wars.

[JeffGUNZ]

what I have been gathering from interviews from Arron Greenburg, who is microsofts head guy for E3, expect to see Allan Wake gameplay footage and release date by the end of this year. If you listen to the 1on1 interview with bitzbag and arron greenburg, he hints at it. I think that alone will be HUGE for microsoft to show gameplay and release the game by the end of this year.

The thing is, I don't really care about exclusives, think about the great games coming out. Operation Flashpoint 2 this summer, then Modern Warfare 2, those 2 alone will hold most gamers across platforms occupied for atleast a year. I am hoping of Mr. Wake to be released this fall, but I am also pumped to see what they will be bringing to the table with XBOX Live. Expect big things from Microsoft. Expect big things from Sony. Expect big things from nintendo. This is like the mecca of video gaming, there is no "winner", we all win when cool products come out.

[phosphor112]

This is what I wrote:

First of all, nice list you have going for 3rd party exclusives. Which consists of GTA4: Lost and the Damned

Secondly, the only people that buy the $200 Arcade console are the average non-gaming Joe's that get ripped a new one when they end up HAVING to buy the HDD. 512mb memory card? Oo, thats a lot of f*cking content.

No wifi? Dish out another hundred, that easily SURPASSES the cost of the PS3. Enjoy your "value".
"But wifi isn't good for gaming". I have 1.5mbps DSL and my Wifi keeps me lag free.

Lastly, name more than 2 thing XBL has that PSN doesn't. Can't say Netflix because while PSN's isn't a monthly subscription, they have a comparable video alternative. The only thing you CAN say that PSN is lacking is party video chat and party voice chat. Remember, PSN is also free and does not limit games to P2P servers..in fact most of PSN servers are dedicated.

Bad list is bad. Do some more research before you start babbling about how the 360 is better.

[peeps]

well at least the site isn't biased

/sarcasm

It's really just an xbox fanboys opinion on why the 360>ps3 but really they were never going to say ps3>360 and likewise, a ps3 site is not going to write an article on how the 360>ps3.

kinda pointless article tbh

[red5ive]

agreed

[WeeMadBadger]

In terms of games library, there's very little difference between the two. I want to buy a console and I simply go for PS3 because there are few exclusives that I want to play. Conversely, there are no Xbox 360 exclusives that I'm interested in (the big selling point is Halo 3 and I don't care about that game) and for multiplatforms I have my PC ;-)

What about the console longevity? PS3 has enough power to last few more years; can Xbox 360 keep up? It's getting outdated by modern standards...

[edhe]

360 currently has more exclusive titles to consider for shooters, rpgs, arcade titles even racers.

As for the CPU/GPU - it's newer than the ps3s.

Nice fail there.

[donnie-2105]

although not a fan the wii is outdated tech,the original xbox better than the ps2 this has nothing to do with who "wins" console generations.whenever people bring pc s into the 360 exclusive argument cant you see that 99 percent of people dont have the tech know how or inclination to be a pc gamer if you did have an expensive rig wouldnt the ps3 be looking "out of date" by now.last big pc exclusive was crysis in nov07,the last ever game to truly use expensive cards and even cytec switched to consoles.the high end pc market is dead and the console 3rd partys turn out buggy messes because theres no money in it now.

[aldesko]

Wow, defensive much? He said he was more interested in the PS3 exclusives... he didn't mention anything about the 360 having less shooters, rpgs, and racing titles.

[123360]

early on theres no doubt the 360 had the games main reason was there wasn,t anythink else out,but were a few years on now and 360 has the worse showing this year by far,i have not bought a game this year on 360,all multiplats were bought on ps3 and as far as exclusives go ms has nothink,even alan wake will be pc,i,m confused what there going to offer even if lost planet comes to 360 its a timed exclusive at best.i think dlc will be there main bargaining chip this year which to say the least is sad.whats gone wrong?

[S M N]

i smell "Top 10 Ways PS3 Has Beaten Xbox 360" article is cooking

[robotnik]

HAHAHAHA WHAT A JOKE ARTICLE, SO FUNNY! I CAN'T STOP LAUGHING HAHAHA OMG

[njmzhang]

"XBOXIST.com", LoL

[kewlkat007]

Exclusives doesn't matter you have both consoles, you get the games you want...but the online is just not equal when it comes to the total package.

[aldesko]

Honestly, what's missing from PSN that warrants the price of XBL? Cross-game chat?

I play online with both consoles and do the exact same thing (besides cross-game voice chat).. I honestly don't understand why I'm paying for XBL anymore.

[creatchee]

Well, yeah cross-game chat, but also the report/feedback system, specific descriptions of what friends are doing in their games, exclusive demos, demos for ALL arcade releases, free daily videos (Major's minute etc), the party system, matchmaking that works, voice messaging, NetFlix streaming for current NF members, game with the developers, game with celebrities, streaming previews of all TV shows and movies.

I'm sure I'm leaving stuff out, but all of that is DEFINITELY worth $50 a year. Heck - I get it for $35-40 by buying LIVE cards online.

[cyberwaffles]

although i agree with your points, i still dont think it justifies the fee. the feedback system is nice, but doesnt really enhance your online experience; youre just reporting people to no avail of getting them in trouble most of the time. also, the ps3 has a web browser which can be used to stream music/videos/movies/tv etc. its probably less elegant, but it does get the job done along with their video service on psn. however, i do like marketplace and cross game chat is fun if not playing online imo

[-x.Red.x-]

wth!?

this gen is FAR from over...

[blackbeld]

Top 5 Ways PS3 Has Beaten Xbox 360...

6 Home

5 PSN community games

4 failure rate lower then 3%

3 Bluray

2 Free Online

1 First party Excluse PS3 games

[n to the b]

lol @ Home. the rest was ok I guess. I didn't know PSN had something like XNA, where community members can create their own games. LBP doesn't count as community games, if that's what you're thinking...

[WengYong]

Please remember that many an article has been submitted from a biased ps3 website too. So cool off.

That being said this article is a bit of a joke. This generation is far from over. We have the new Crytek engine coming out that will push the 360 and PS3 to a new level. Then we have countless Sony IPs coming out that will push the gaming envelope again that its far too early to call a winner. But then how do we define a winner ?? Sales ?? Opinions ?? Games ?? Too many factors to decide a winner already. Who knows what he future has in store this generation.

[donnie-2105]

allthough a massive inprovement for microsoft from last gen i think the WII has as much to do with sonys fall from grace as the 360.imo i think the 360 clearly has the better online worth $40 a year,definetly.exclusives and hardware goes to the ps3 with the 360 having the upper hand with multi plats.saying this i think we are only at the half way point with both machines as this gen will last longer than previous ones so theres time for things to change.imo i think the ps3/360 will have about 70 million each by 2012 when MS move on to their next console.any way you look at it sony can not be happy with the ps3 performance so far,are all these ps2 owners really waiting for a price drop or have they allready bought a wii/360.

[MK24ever]

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[Jdoki]

Big lolz from this article (especially the final Conclusion).

MS have done great things, and grabbed a fair chunk of market share but in no way have they beaten the PS3.

I own both consoles. My 360 was a fine console until the end of 2007, after the 'perfect storm' end of that year they have slumped... big time. The PS3 is going from strength to strength.

I can't think of a single CONFIRMED 2009 title I want on the 360. I can think of lots on the PS3.

The arguments in the article don't hold much water.

Live?
I don't think anyone bought a 360 solely on the strength of Live. Most people just want to play online.

The PSN vs XBLA argument is rubbish. I've bought more titles on the PSN. It's really a case of quality over quantity. Some of the games on XBLA are a disgrace to gaming, but it also has some gems... PSN has a greater ratio of gems to shovelware.

Price? Yes, it's cheaper. Value? No, I get more from the PS3 and it feels worth the money I paid for it. DO Sony need to drop the PS3 price? Only if they ensure profitability. They'll claw back market share from MS (and maybe Nintendo) over the long term.

Persistence? Lets see how long that lasts after MS see their biggest drop in sales/profit since they became publicly listed over 20 years ago!

Third party exclusives? Creating some parity between the two platforms does not equal winning.

It's as much to do with third parties making max profit as it is about MS 'luring' devs to the 360. Most third party games that were traditionally exclusive to Playstation, were only on that platform because it was the most profitable. There's no way SquareEnix would invest in developing Final Fantasy X, X-2 or XII on Xbox, it just wasn't financially viable. Probably similar situation for DMC and GTA.

[ultimolu]

Well said.

[Jackel2072]

you silly Fanboys....

[Halo3 MLG Pro]

Whether you agree or disagree with the article, you can't spin the fact that the 360 has pretty much beating the ps3 this gen. Only a fool would think that the ps3 could magically catch up. It's not going to happen. You should accept it, forget it, and enjoy your gaming console of choice.

[Jdoki]

"pretty much beaten the PS3" Wow, there's a confident endorsement of the 360!

At what point do we declare the PS3 beaten? And by what measure?

When MS launches the Next Xbox?

The 360 launched a year earlier, but the PS3 will last 2-3 years longer than the 360. Do we compare sales at the end of the PS3's life cycle to the 360?

Do we measure success by market share? If so, by which measure of market share? Xbox brand vs Playstation brand, or 360 vs PS3.

Do we measure by units sold? But how does that equate to success when it doesn't count profit?

By metacritic ratings on exclusives perhaps?

Figures are very subjective and easy to twist.

For me the 360 beat the PS3 during 2005-07 because of the GAMES, not the SALES, and the PS3 has beaten the 360 since 2008 for the same reason.

[JeffGUNZ]

All you're doing is playing with words. He said the 360 has pretty much "beaten" the Ps3, should have worded it better. It's simple, RIGHT NOW, the 360 is outselling the PS3. It doesn't matter what the reasons are, as long as it's selling more, the 360 is winning. Does the PS3 have more exclusives coming out this year, yes. That still doesn't change the fact the 360 is currently beating the PS3.

[Jdoki]

Beaten and winning are not the same thing.

Winning in terms of sales?... Absolutely, the 360 has it by a mile.

Winning in terms of comparing year 1-2 360 vs year 1-2 PS3 sales... Who is winning then?

Wining in terms of comparing Playstation brand vs Xbox brand?

Winning in terms of profit?

PS3 is not beaten by any means, and 'winning' is a very relative term.

[JeffGUNZ]

Your doing it again. We're not talking about the playstation brand name and the xbox brand name, we're talking about the 360 and the PS3. I know beaten isn't the same thing, he didn't say PS3 WAS beaten, he said PRETTY MUCH, a poor way of saying "winning". As of now, the 360 is beating the PS3, that's all.

[Relin]

He's trying to point out how utterly subjective your claims are. There are many ways you can judge the success of a console, and even the one you chose (hardware sales) is dubious at best, considering how little of the world's sales are tracked as well as the NPD.

There are metrics showing the PS3 slaughtering the 360, and vice versa. Pick and choose, that's your prerogative, but don't start shoving that nearsightedness on others, please. Just play some games.

Oh, and bubbles to Jdoki for being coherent in a sea of illiteracy.

[Halo3 MLG Pro]

Well if you look at everything that the 360 and the ps3 offers than you can see what I meant by the 360 "pretty much" beaten the ps3.

1. Gaming Quality. The 360 offers a bigger and better gaming library than the ps3. I know sony fans hate to read reviews and averages because of all the excuses they throw out but the ratings prove the 360 has the better games.

2. Hardware sales. The 360 is currently around an 8 million console lead and still selling very well.

3. Profitability. The 360 is a huge success and currently breaks even with every 360 sold. The ps3 has dug a deep hole in debt and is selling at a loss. 360 gamers love games and buy lots of them. Killzone 2's sales numbers are probably going to be comparable to Viva Pinata numbers.

I really can't see how the the ps3 can challenge the 360 in these 3 areas. I said "pretty much" because anything can happen in the future. Who knows maybe the 360 might encounter a new 5 year RROD that blows up peoples houses. The ps3 might lower their price to $100 a console. So who knows what's going to happen but I highly doubt the ps3 has any chance of doing better in these 3 areas this gen. As of now, the 360 is beating the ps3 and that is a big win for Microsoft.

[dj55555555]

the 360 had a year head start and a 18 month head start in Europe cost half as much and its only got a 8 million lead, this article sounds like the desperate ramblings of a fan boy, and don't call the 360 next gen thats an insult.

[Persistantthug]

"the 360 had a year head start and a 18 month head start in Europe cost half as much and its only got a 8 million lead, this article sounds like the desperate ramblings of a fan boy, and don't call the 360 next gen thats an insult."

I was a little confused by what you meant by "and don't call the 360 next gen thats an insult."

Do you mean that because we are currently in the 7th Generation of consoles, then that is not technically "NEXT GEN", or are you implying something else? I was just curious what you meant, djpolofish.
Thanks

[dj55555555]

I mean as its brought nothing new to this gen apart from unparalleled faults and compared to the competition and its completely reliant on last gen technology

[ultimolu]

1. Improving PSN.
2. Developing some of the best first party titles ever created.
3. Not giving up or backing down.
4. Still managing the PS3 despite having the higher pricetag.
5. Working on new IP's instead of wasting their money for things such as DLC in order to rob other gamers.

Press agree if you agree with this.

[LilMissGoddess]

offtopic, and trolling as usual huh ultimolu? lol and you talk about "others" being "fanboys".

epic fail on your part, REPORTED.

[ultimolu]

Starting with me again LilMissGoddess? That was not off-topic. It dealt with the topic itself.

Read the title dear.

Just because I haven't praised your 360 doesn't mean I was off topic.

Funny how you show up whenever there's a controversial subject. I've seen your posts. You show up once in a blue moon either attacking me or trolling N4G.

I will not ask you again.

STOP HARASSING ME.

[AKNAA]

Sony already confirmed that this gaming generation will last 10 yrs. So as much as microsoft tries to convince us with claims that they already won the console wars between the ps3, just to bail out sooner before sony gains up on them and repeat what happened last gen;
it will actually make micro look scared, outdated and weak if they give in and release their next console before the 10 yrs. mark...

[JeffGUNZ]

20 - FIVE WAYS IN WHICH SONY HAS COMBATED THOSE REASONS
1. Improving PSN.
2. Developing some of the best first party titles ever created.
3. Not giving up or backing down.
4. Still managing the PS3 despite having the higher pricetag.
5. Working on new IP's instead of wasting their money for things such as DLC in order to rob other gamers.

Now why your reasons are bogus.

1. Improving PSN still means it's still playing "catch-up", just like the article stated. The article said SONY is still behind and still having to play catch-up. Even if PSN matches or comes CLOSE to matching the 360, they still copied what LIVE has done. PSN will never be as advanced as LIVE is while it is free, so expect it to never come close and it's just going to fall further in further over the years. If sony starts charging for it, then it may have a chance to advance quicker and compete. All Sony is doing is providing free gameplay. LIVE is SO MUCH more. It's an online community.

2. "developing the best first party ever made..." Really? How do you know that? Have you played the games? KZ2 looks beautiful and is a fun game, but if it's "the best", why hasn't it sold nearly as high as it should, it's not even CLOSE to 360 exclusive sales. Last week an article said 6% of PS# owners purchased KZ2, 6% is not the "best". You can't count on games in development being the best, because you haven't played them and you don't know HOW good they are.

3. "Not Giving up or backing down". Come on. Really? That's a strong point? The invested MILLIONS on the PS3, it has nothing to do with backing down or giving up. If they just gave up, their business would take such a cut it would be DEVESTATING.

4. Still "managing" the PS3 at a higher price-tag. Please, manage? They can't AFFORD a price-cut because they are already taking a loss right now at its current price for evey system sold. They aren't trying to manage, they have NO CHOICE. Of course people will still buy it, but again, maybe they should try another tactic, because the way they "manage" things now, has put them in last place.

5. Working on new IP's instead of DLC to rob gamers? What? I haven't read anywhere where Microsoft has installed DLC on ANY 360 owners hard drives and charged their account withouth approval. DLC for GTA was brilliant. It was exclusive to 360, it was almost an entire new game, and it only cost $20. People make conscience decisions to purchase DLC, it's not forced. IP's don't matter my man. I can tell you right now, that Modern Warfare 2, a MULTIPLAT game will sell more JUST FOR THE PS3 than any other PS3 exclusive this year. Good games are good games, who cares if they are multiplat or exclusives. The only thing I see is ps3fanboys hanging onto the amount of exclusives coming out. Just because they are exclusives, doesn't mean they are ALL going to be AMAZING.

[ultimolu]

Of course you wouldn't understand JeffGUNZ. You keep rambling about how Sony's behind, etc, etc etc. You know, we get the point. The PS3 is in 3rd place.

But tell me, are they behind in the quality of games?

Things are a lot different than what they are in 2007.

Think about that.

Love how you're trying to refute my comments. So basically what I mentioned there is not true,

Perhaps I should say that the 360 is the best console ever made. That would make you extra happy wouldn't it?

[Jdoki]

"2. "developing the best first party ever made..." Really? How do you know that? Have you played the games? KZ2 looks beautiful and is a fun game, but if it's "the best", why hasn't it sold nearly as high as it should, it's not even CLOSE to 360 exclusive sales"

Well done JeffGunz... Another 360 fan who thinks sales figures = quality.

Halo 3 is a good game, I prefer KZ2. The Gears series is great. But right now, if I had to choose one console that satisfies my gaming thirst, it's the PS3 by a mile. I'm just lucky enough to own both - but the 360 has become a disappointment, and no sales figures will change my mind. Maybe E3 will change that.

[LilMissGoddess]

1. price
2.best online service
3.best controller
4.better versions of multiplats when compared to ps3 versions
5. no mandatory installs, unlike ps3, we have the OPTION to install the whole game if we want. faster load times, and less wear and tear on our units.

my 5 are better than this article's, and these 5 reasons also beat ultimolu's ignorance....which in all honesty doesn't take a whole lot.

all ultimolu does is troll n4g threads all day. why just look at her ignorance yesterday... SHIPPED NUMBERS!!!!!

what a joke of a gamer you are ultimolu. plain and simple. never call anyone else out on their posts, because you are a nasim, but the female version. HYPOCRITE

[JD_Shadow]

Once again, here's the reason why N4G has failed.

We have someone being attacked for no reason.

lilmissgoddess, can you PLEASE get through a post without resorting to name calling and attacking someone personally. I would LOVE to see how attacking her weight and way of life make you any better than you believe she is. And plus, this is the GAMER ZONE!

All she did was list her reasons how she thinks the PS3 is better. It wasn't fanboyish, but yet it gets called out anyway because some people on this site don't know when to shut up and RELAX. You're getting uptight about a piece of MACHINERY! Realize for a moment how dumb this stuff you're saying sounds. Disagree with her if you want (I do sometimes), but this is just immaturity, and it shouldn't be allowed in the Gamer Zone.

And...what did she say in the OP that warranted a report?

Then again, what am I saying? It's N4G, the place where this BS runs wild. Worst thing is, nothing ever changes.

[Persistantthug]

LilMissGoddess,

At the risk of being trivial, because I do feel "controller arguements" are being trivial,

Why do you claim the XBOX 360's controller is better? I'm asking because I've heard this "trivial" argument before, but it doesn't make sense.

How can an XBOX controller be better than a PS3 controller if it's clearly less advanced?

--Doesn't the XBOX controller use AA batteries? (um....1983 anyone)

--Don't you have to BUY an extra battery pack in lieu of a built in rechargeable Lithium ION battery? (Um..N64 anyone)

--Do you know that even the D-Pad is "pressure-sensitive" on PS3?

--How is having the option of MOTION CONTROL a bad thing, especially in driving games or leaning into your shot during sniping?

Now, if you were to say the XBOX controller fits your particular hand better, that's fine, because obviously everyones hand is different, but to blatently disregard a pretty well known facts is disingenuous at best.

XBOX controllers are not better and CERTAINLY not more advanced. In fact, even the Wii controller is more advanced than an XBOX 360 controller.

Great.....now I've been reduced to arguing "the trivial"

:(

[XPC HARDonE]

By my avatar you can see that I too am unbiased. So now that this is settled perhaps we should move on. DVD9 for the win.

[roflmuffins8]

Articles from biased websites shouldn't be allowed on this site.

[peeps]

i doubt we'd have many articles left :p

Even 360 fanboys must see this article as super biased though and likewise i'd hope that ps3 fanboys realise articles from a ps3 site are going to be biased as well. It's not to say that an article from potentially biased site isn't relevent, it's just this particlar article reeks of fanboy and wouldn't surprise me if it was written by one of the guys patrolling N4G on 1 bubble lol

[Halo3 MLG Pro]

That's the problem. When a pro-360 opinion comes out, the sony fanboys scream foul but when it's a pro-ps3 opinion than it's automatically a good point. This site is full of hypocrites.

[jmare]

But it's okay when 360 fanboys b1tch about bias when it's against the 360 but not when it's against the PS3?

It goes both ways.

[Godmars290]

Then this site wouldn't have anything to talk about...

[easywilly]

I have both consoles, both are great, but my ps3 has much better games.All I play is littlebigplanet,killzone 2,Mgs4, and the multi-platform games like RE5,SF4,Dead Space,Madden 09, are great on my ps3 too. I just hope microsoft anounces some new games for xbox cuz honestly theres nothing right now...just left4dead and COD 4. Until they get some good stuff going I'll keep playing my ps3. E3 09 crossing my fingers! x)

[jmare]

First of all, I'm so surprised that a site called xboxist.com says the 360 is winning. Really, I don't think I can handle too many more shocks like that.

Second, the points are asinine and based on opinions.

Thirdly, the winner is clear: the Wii. And where the Wii has reached saturation, the PS3 is stepping up.

Also I love how 360 fanboys almost always consider the generation to be over three years into the lifecycle of the 360. Maybe they are afraid of history repeating itself when MS launches their new box?

[Morgue]

I could give you 5 reasons why I don't own one.

5. Owned 3, skip to number one
1. Exclusives? What exclusives?

[pansenbaer]

"Conclusion:
The NPD numbers show month after month a clear victor is emerging. When this console generation finally draws to a close, we may soon look back and say it only took two generations for Microsoft to beat out the veteran Sony and cement the 360 as the core gamer's console. Who is to say what new heights they can achieve in the coming years?"

Wow...another Xbox site that thinks NDP=World... ::sigh::

[XPC HARDonE]

in today's climate of uncertainty and fear it can be difficult to look past ones own troubles and see the hurt others are experiencing. As Albert Pike famously said “What we have done for ourselves alone dies with us; what we have done for others and the world remains and is immortal.” So please look around and if you see a person low on bubbles please don't forget to press that + button. It could be the difference between life and death. Give generously...wont you?

Update: I was a victim of fanboys and n4g crusaders. I'm innocent of all transgressions I tells ya.

[MovieScouse007]

I assume you've been attacking people, which is why you're down to 3 bubbles?
My advice is to re-read a post and if you'd be offended by someone replying with it to you it would be a good bet that the person you're replying to will also be offended!

[Game13a13y]

it's pretty convenient for them to leave out the fact that the 360 is out one year longer without any competition, or the fact that it has a notorious 33% of chance of crapping itself out on you, or the fact that the accessories are so overpriced? hm... i wonder why... oh wait, Xboxist.

[Godmars290]

But are they any good?

XBLA is about quantity, not quality.

[Gantrfaxx]

5. PSN game sharing
4. Free PSN
3. Blu Ray
2. More top exclusives
1. Much greater hardvare reliability

[Makidian]

blah blah blah I love it when my Xbox bends me over....the underlying message of this article is right there

[madmonk42002]

I'd like to know if Microsoft is including the number of replacement 360's that they've had to ship out in their data. Considering the failure rate of that system, one could factor that for every 360 that has been purchased, about 3 total will end up being shipped to the customer as replacements. Whenever I read a "units shipped" stat that shows 360 ahead, I always wonder that point. That could really throw some numbers off.

[Godmars290]

In podcasts I keep hearing about people who either have "backup" 360, unshipped ones still in their coffins or just plain thrown out.

And you've got to consider that the refurbished ones sent out as replacements got bought by someone first, so they're already counted.

[Sir Ken_Kutaragi]

...This site is like a Cuddly Toy Bear or a Warm Blanket for the ChatBots...
i.e They read this stuff and it makes them feel all warm inside and safe!!! ;-D

"Who is to say what new heights they can achieve in the coming years?"
;-D ;-D ;-D ;-D Does he believe this RUBBISH he writes??? ;-D

The 'ChatBox 360' has won NOTHING so far??? If you like Chatting online all day then it's good for you!!! ;-D

ChatBot 1 - 'What you up to?'
ChatBot 2 - 'I'm in the Shower'
ChatBot 1 - 'I'm on the Toilet'
ChatBot 2 - 'Want to hear me play Halo 3, while i hear you play Gears of War 2 at the same time?'
ChatBot 1 - 'Yeah sounds AMAZING that!' (Hmm???WTF???WHY???Sir Ken thinks)
ChatBot 2 - 'Oh i run out of ChatBox LIVE time, need my FIX i'm going COLD TURKEY,
i NEED to PAY my online yearly TAX NOW'
ChatBot 1 - 'O.K Chat to you later'
;-D

God it is Empty in the Twilight Zone???...Oh well off to Play KZ2... ;-P

[n to the b]

I find cross-game chat to be handy when my friends are enjoying a diff game but want me to come join a few hands of XBLA poker, for example.

is it absolutlely necessary? no. but it's useful and better to have it if available. hope that answers your question "(Hmm???WTF???WHY???Sir Ken thinks)".

[theKiller]

1: RROD/E74/disk scratching

2: XoboxoLive sucking money from poor kids to just play online and charge for everything

3: lack of exclusives

4: reducing and selling out many internal game studios

5: lack of performance and power compared to ps3 games and Modded for people to buy pirated games

[UltimatePS3]

I was in stitches laughing at the article this is like Xbox 360 knows it's on borrowed time and is making a getaway well they still can because they know the war is far from over and Sony are eventually gonna overtake them. Take in mind Xbox 360 was out a whole year before PS3 was out and PS3 has managed to sell more consoles in a shorter period of time at a larger price. It's like the end of mortal combat where shang sung challanges sonya blade because he doesn't want to face lui kang because he knows he will lose, shang sung being MS, Lui Kang being Sony and Sonya Blade being the wii for all the retard who didin't understand what i just said. As for the other points the nervous Xbot brought up, third party exclusives don't make me laugh, most of the third party exclusives are not very good, let's talk about the blockbuster games Sony has took of MS, Lost Planet, oh wait you gonna call that game crap xbots, didin't you say it was a legendary game when it came out? Bioshock, Ninga Gaiden 2 Sigma, 3 killer games of your console, so here's a bit of advise Xtards S*T*F*U* or i'll do it for you.

[TrueGamer71]

4) hahahahahahahahahahahahaha!??! give me a break, i know my 360 may be superior but PSN games rape XBLA games.

[Strikepackage Bravo]

I gotta say it is pretty amazing how MS stole the gaming market away from Sony on just their second attempt. Pretty sharp MS, keep up the quick and nimble success, it benefits us gamers the most.

[UltimatePS3]

But that's ok we all know your an xbot fantard ha!

[Strikepackage Bravo]

did you just call me dumb? Why because I don't think exactly the way you do?
Everything I said is true and can be backed up by data. The things you believe however are based on empty hype and delusional fanboy wishful thinking.

Sorry but its true, MS stole gaming from Sony in the US, and for now they lead in the rest of the world as well minus, the tiny Japanese market.

[UltimatePS3]

Everything you said is hypocritical, you got data huh? What Xbox fanboys data! Your a retarded fanboys who doesn't know when he's stepped into the realms of fantasy, the facts are out Playstation 3 is the superior console with the superior games and it's sold more in a shorter period of time. Oh yea and Xbox only achieved it's head start by ushing out a faulty console which still breaks today. Hey dude go play your crapbox 360, don't come on here and try to cpmpete with the big boys, PS3 ownes you and your Xbox 360.

[Persistantthug]

actually Strikepackage Bravo,

about XBOX leading in all other regions except Japan:

I'm not so sure that's true.
First, Europe's sales figuers for some reason seems to exclude the UK as it seems to have it's own market-bracket.

Well, according to Wikepedia, PS3: 8.5 million as of February 3, 2009.
--en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PlayS tation_3

Then, unfortunately, because Wiki's update for XBOX 360's for Europe only detailed as far as Nov. 2008, I had to check a different source:

"Over 8 Million Xbox 360's Sold in Europe!
March 16, 2009 | 3:02 PM PST "
--360.kombo.com/article.php?a rtid=16011

No big deal, but for the record it would seem that PS3 does in fact narrowly lead in Europe.

[ReBurn]

I don't know that one has necessarily beaten the other. They're both doing well. Right now the 360 has a larger installed base, but the PS3 isn't doing too bad considering the price.

[Roper316]

and it should read as 3rd party timed exclusive that will show up on the PS3 & PC 6-12 months later with extra content thanks to the timed exclusivity check MS wrote that funded the extra content on the other versions. So thanks for the extra content MS!

[Strikepackage Bravo]

360 ownes 3rd party success because they make third parties more money, 3rd parties more often than not lead develop on 360, 3rd party titles tend to look and perform better on 360, and 3rd party games sell far more on 360 in most cases.

As for them both doing well, that is relative, Sony owned gaming last gen, Xbox was an after thought. Even if sales were equal this gen it would be a huge loss for Sony because Xbox was the underdog, Sony was expected to slaughter the 360.
Sony has gone from 80% market share to 3rd place, that is a massive loss for the company, MS has gone from a 3rd rate player in gaming to the main player and lead platform, I think its safe to say MS is winning this gen so far, they are doing FAR better than anyone expected.

[iraqmilner]

I will recap everything that makes perfect sense here. It will piss the PS3 fanboys off but most of them are so jaded. BECAUSE they have't play the XBOX 360. Otherwise they would realize that it is a superior system. Hey, I wasted 500 bucks on a bluray player too. You aren't the only one. Before I get started here is some information about where I am coming from so you will know that I am not a fanboy. I look at things from a logical approach. Here we go:

-I have all of the next gen game systems. Wii, PS3, Xbox 360
-I play video games. I just want the best experience and this is what I have found to be a fact!
-If you have used the XBL you know that there isn't a comparison to PSN. XBL makes the PSN look like pure hammered crap and the overall functionality of XBL blows the PSN out of the water. Come on guys...we just got text chat. Years after the PS3 release and we just now can text chat...(why not fix the voice chat problem)
-The controller....at first $60 bucks for a controller with no force feed back (thought that was last gen, Sony? They said it.) Then they released the dual shock 3. Why not allow everyone to trade in their old controllers instead of making us pump out another $60 bucks. You really bent us over Sony.
-System updates are horrific on the PS3. They take bloody forever to download. The PSN is slow as crap to download from. On the Xbox 360 you can download the update and be playing in minutes. I kid you not.
-Game updates are also horrific on the PS3. Need For Speed update took almost 6 hours to download. I left the beast on all night so I could play the next day. Seriously. On the Xbox you can download a file and install it within 30 seconds. It is true. Why are the PS3 updates 400mb when the Xbox is like 5mb?
-Upscaled games- The Xbox 360 will upscale your games to 720p, 1080i, and 1080p. With the PS3 you better have a hd television supporting 720p because if the game doesn't support 1080i or 1080p you are getting down-scaled to 480p. Ridiculous.
-Network lag on the PS3 is terrible. COD4 on the XBOX runs like butter. COD4 on the PS3 is always half of the performance. ALWAYS.
-The PSN is free. Brother, if it wasn't then they wouldn't have half the subscribers. I want a premium experience. I choose XBL.

Those are facts. Now here is a recap of all the "enlightened" video game players. Obviously they are like me. They have wasted their money on a bluray player and they choose the best experience. Xbox and XBL.

1. "Between the two, I use my 360 to play games. My PS3 to play movies."
2. "XBL is better overall"
3. "Nintendo & MS have quite thoroughly stolen the crown from Sony and battered Sony around with it."
4. "360 currently has more exclusive titles to consider for shooters, rpgs, arcade titles even racers.
As for the CPU/GPU - it's newer than the ps3s"
5. "but the online is just not equal when it comes to the total package (Meaning: The PSN is crap compared to XBL."
6. "you can't spin the fact that the 360 has pretty much beating the ps3 this gen. Only a fool would think that the ps3 could magically catch up. It's not going to happen. You should accept it, forget it."

[tonywood24]

It's been a while since I blessed the N4G for forum, been checking out the NBA Playoffs. I'm back to drop some knowledge for all the "Superfans", "Annoying Fanboys/girls", and biased & misinformed gamers.

FIRST OF ALL, The X360 has NOT beating the PS3 just yet. I know all the experts, fanboys/girls, and Wii fans have their opinions, but Sony has legitimate "street cred" when it comes to video game system, television, and other electronics longevity. Now, I will say that the 5 reasons listed in the title are VERY good. In fact, I flat out agree that a few of them are the SOLE reason to why there are more X360's in homes of many American families.

PRICE -The PS3 is worth the $400 (Soon to be $300) price tag. (Please note the MANY COOL OPTIONS, THAT OTHER SYSTEMS SIMPLY CAN NOT DELIVER!) However, the X360 is selling for a VERY GOOD price...which is great for thrifty shoppers. An eventual PS3 price drop, along with a healthier economy, should help push Sony's new offering back to the top. (NOTE late game heroics of both the PS1 and PS2.)

XBOX LIVE -It's hot, and NO ONE CAN DISPUTE THAT! Mainly, the online chatting with mics, effortlessly jumping in and out of games/rooms, and sending voice recorded messages are what Sony really needs.

THIRD PARTY -MS delivering GTA, the Capcom games, and Final Fantasy is HUGE! (Personally, I'm pissed that Sony didn't do more to stop them or AT LEAST get the exclusive DLC options.) Although people talk Halo and Gears, THIRD PARTY EXCLUSIVES IS WHAT REALLY HAS PUSHED THE X360.

I'm a PS3 guy, so I have faith in the most important ingredient....1ST PARTY EXCLUSIVES! Sony has them and other simply do not, which is why Sony is the leader in quality games development. (Not saying they have THE No. 1 game, just that they have an unmatched number of AAA-titles.) Also, Blu Ray is that deal! 120Hz, Plasma, 1080p is the future, and that is what the PS3 is specifically made for. (MS can use Jedi Mind Tricks on it's customers, but HDTV is the definitive visual experience. No disrepsect, but Halo 4 had better damn well be on a some type of HD game disk, because Halo 3 looked like a Xbox 1 game. IT IS STILL AN EXCELLENT GAME! ) X360 seems to have been geared for 2006-2010 generation gamers, withour focusing on 2010-2017...which Sony has already shown that a 10 year run is possible. (No disrespect), but the PS3 is damn near future proof. HDMI is on the 360, but it is not optimized, as it is a late add-on addition. Hence, issues with compatible surround sound and audio output are there. In addition, Ps3 is fully upgradeable, you can use ALL Playstation game saves on the PS3, surf the internet, streamline multi-media, and watch blu rays!!

These are the main points, and anyone wanting to dispute me, I will hear all opinions.

[Darrius Cole]

The writer asked...
"3) Price & Value

Why does it still cost $400 to buy a PS3 three years after the console's release?"

I know, I know. The answer is because today is just 2 years after the console's release.

Nov. 2006 to Nov. 2008 = 2 years.
Nov. 2008 to April 2009 = 5 months

So the PS3 has been on the market for 2 years and 5 months that is two years if you are rounding.

[boss_killa]

wonder why this is in the ps3 section?

[tonywood24]

The X360 is an excellent gaming choice. I am just responding to the idea that the "Next Generation War" is over. Look, the X360 points are al correct, however, these are not obstacles that can't be matched. Getting Final Fantasy 13 is huge for MS, and Sony will need to answer that move. (Most likely Final Fantasy Vs., Uncharted and GOW3)

I only have a PS3 because I spent all of my money on a 120 hz 1080p HDTV, surround sound system, blu rays, and games. Also, I want to wait until E3, because I expect the next Xbox system. If it's true, I may just wait ant get that one, because I know my PS3 will deliver until then. (I;m all set on the RROD/E7 issues!)

[You Already Know]

how can a console be beaten when the generation is not even over yet?...

[Magna Farta]

Wow, xboxist, I think you missed a spot on your 360's cornhole, might wanna lick that up before you're done, or there's no reacharound for you.

[Socomer 1979]

another xbutt website who has low morale so he makes a list to compare his xbox to his most hated & most talked about ps3. Is the xbutt in temptation? When I think third party I think rip off. Games that are recycled & chopped into dlc parts. I think a $60 DVD is a rip off. Dlc can suk my dic.

Xbla arcade ? What a joke.
PSN & littlebigplanet is all you need to advance your experience with innovate & fresh psn games & the full open network of user created content, the king, LBP.

persistent hardware failure & the low low price of replacements makes you a wet dream to door to door salesman selling vaccuums.

[JeffGUNZ]

xbutts? That is by far the worse "play on words" I have heard. You moron. If you are going to insult the 360, atleast make it funny. You sound like a 12 year old kid.

[cryymoar]

yeah socomer, you sound like a *Halo player*.

baha see what i did there?

[n to the b]

lol@sonyfans pretending they didn't remove voice-chat from Home due to the verbal abuse that immediately overwhelmed it (*ahem* Apena89).

[Reibooi]

This is actually a pretty sad list.

Most of the 3rd party exclusives the 360 had are now on or coming to PS3. Eternal Sonata, Bioshock, Tales of Vesperia just to name a few.

While I will admit that XBLA is great and such the majority of that content is just fancy versions of flash games we have played for years like Zuma and the community games for the most part suck. While on PSN we are getting great games like Pixel junk, Echochrome and Flower all great original games not to mention the PSN offers full games like Burnout and Warhawk as well.

Price is also a lie because through various ads MS would have you believe that you could buy a Xbox 360 Arcade and be able to do everything the 360 has to offer which is a lie. After buying a Hard drive and for some gamers the wireless adapter you have now spent more on a Xbox then if you had just bought a PS3.

As for the Xbox live thing I do agree that it's better and if you are a total hardcore online player it may be better for you the PSN is quickly closing the gap and is completely free and it's just a matter of time until the PSN is the same as XBL and will still be free. Not to mention the majority of games on PS3 run on dedicated servers whereas 360 games are running on laggy player based servers while they pay a fee to do so which lacks any sense to me.

[PSWarlord]

Both consoles are doing well, get over it! A quick Wiki search will tell you M$ has sold 24 million 360's worldwide and Sony has shipped 21.4ish million, So given the extra year head start they are both neck and neck. The true test will be when the price-drop happens and the ps3 is available to most. And no game is gonna save the PS3 so stop over hyping games because its just a disappointment when it doesn't live up to it, look at killzone (Dont get me wrong KZ is Frigging Awesome). Everyone just wait to this gen is over then we will see who toke the crown FFS.....Enjoy your CONSOLES children

[strickers]

I love the fact that all pro 360 articles talk about how well MS have done.Their business model is pure drug dealer.Lose $6 billion getting "mindshare"than get your money back by jacking prices(and charging for stuff you shouldn't eg Live,Wi fi).They are losing money again and why?Because when they tried to compete at a cheaper than PS3,but not by much,they got a kicking.in 08 up to august the PS3 was beating the 360 in all territories(including US).It's not intelligence or any invention on MS part,it's purely large cash reserves and an OS that up until now will keep investors off their back.I wonder if MS wil Even with its price point only the US(who are most price sensitive)and us in the UK(who copy the US)buy more 360s than PS3s.I own both and it's like putting a Porsche(PS3) next to Hyundai(360).Those that want the best will always get a PS3

[mistajeff]

I also have both and that Porsche/Hyundai example is EXACTLY how I feel. Thank you for describing my inner-most conflicted gaming emotions so perfectly. *sniff*

[be_wrong]

5) Third Party Exclusives
- considering you could play almost all of them on the pc and most of them are only timed exclusive, there's nothing more. M$ doesn't have a strong lineup to be honest, they don't even have a decent first party game.

4) XBLA & Community Games
- this is hands down a great feature for M$ online. but once the american PSN adopts the Japanese psn content it'll be a tough competition.

3) Price
- well if you're gonna buy most of the things you'll need for the 360 it's gonna costs as much as the ps3, and with the pain of having so many system problems, you get a cheap unit for a cheap price. it isn't worth it to sacrifice quality.

2) Persistence
- as the article said M$ has lots of $$$ and that's the only reason they still are in the game. but the other 2 (sony and nintendo) is plays the gaming industry clean.

1) XBL
- not really, i'd prefer to get a free online service rather than paying for one. call me cheap but i'm being practical.

[mistajeff]

Out of all the arguments between the two consoles, the thing I understand the least is why the quality of titles on XBLA is nearly universally considered better than the quality of PSN titles. I have both consoles and I see a lot of truth in all criticisms of both systems, but this is one point I really don't understand. I've sampled a TON of stuff on XBLA, and the only thing I've purchased was a TMNT game from 1989. Nothing else interested me. Braid was decent but not worth $15. I've purchased so many PSN games I definitely can't remember them all, and I've only actually finished a few of them because a lot of them provide tons of longevity for a $5 or maybe $10 title. This isn't even counting PS1 games or PSN releases like SOCOM or Warhawk.. Obviously this is opinion, but I really don't see how the quality of 360-exclusive Arcade games can be considered better than the quality of Sony-exclusive PSN games. Sometimes I'll fire up my PS3 and decide to dive into a small, almost mindless game before playing a big game, and suddenly I'll look up and I've been playing Stardust or Eden for 5 hours. Definitely never happens with my 360, especially when most of the games can be found for free on the internet (or cheaper.. like Geometry Wars on Steam).

[aldesko]

I thought the same thing. I don't really care about the whole 360 vs. PS3, but when I read that point I wondered what I was missing on XBLA.

The PSN games (at least lately, just got my PS3 recently) seem very consistent. It's gotten to the point that I'm confident in randomly picking a game that sounds interesting. That's what I did with Rag Doll Kung Fu last week and it's awesome.

[cndgamer]

how can a console that have a failure rate of 33% be a core gamer's choice, only idiots buy 360. knowing that the console would fail within a year would keep anyone with a brain away from the 360. wake up and enjoy quality, get ps3, wii, heck even pc for that matter. it would last you longer than the foremented 360.

[HDgamer]

clearly I should trust a biased xbox 360 only website called xboxist also rhymes with elitist.

[PELVIC THRUST ACTION]

This is the easiest junk I've ever read to refute.

5) Third Party Exclusives: Which means you have to wait a year before it's on PS3 with the real story and enhancements

4) XBLA & Community Games: 50 variations of Pac Man and Pong and so many games that we've already seen on the Community XNA. XBLA also allows for anything essentially which means very little creativity.

3) Price: I didn't feel so blessed when I shelled out 400 in Jan 2006 and had it break four months in to be charged 250. The price is represenative that you are getting junk with this console. Not only that, but an incomplete console.

2) Persistence: I'll grant it that. But it only shows how stupid the average consumer is to be able to forgive the huge amount of flaws with the console design, the finger roll that constantly swipes at your wallet with fees and extras and the fact that Microsoft sees us as idiots that'll support any crap they churn out.

1) Live: PC Is superior and I don't pay for it at all. And why am I paying for listen servers? If I'm paying, I damn well expect dedicated servers. Listen servers are a freaking joke. With how much they're charging EVERY game should have a dedicated server.

[jBat17]

5) Third Party Exclusives..
maybe Third Party Exclusive DLC. but 1st party. oh you mean ninny blade and star ocean lost hope. i'd go for great 1st party exclusives like KZ2.

4) XBLA & Community Games
flower, pixel junk, wipeout hd.. heck, there's flower, Comet Crash, Noby Noby Boy, Cuboid, and Crash Commando all in IGN's editor's choice for this year alone.

3) Price
$120 Harddrive! no blu-ray.. so what if it's cheaper the wii still is beating the xbox 3 to 1.

2) Persistence
huh? oh, those xbots of keep shipping out their crapbox for a replacement every 3 months. that's persistence right there
1) And top reason is..."
RRoD

[GiantEnemyCrab]

LOL! I hope Sony pays you well.. You seem mighty hurt by this..

cry more..

[Tr10wn]

5.lol KZ2 hahaha hmm let me think gears of war? just one.

4.flower, pixel junk, wipeout hd.. heck, there's flower, Comet Crash, Noby Noby Boy, Cuboid, and Crash Commando. hmm yea BRAID only one again and can ownd every game you said which suck btw.

3.yea the harddrive is over priced i dont care because i own a elite and still cheaper than the PS3 which i own too only to play MGS4 oh and the wii is beating the ps3 4 to 1 search some info.

2.well my first xbox died because of RRoD but the repair was free they pay my shipping and the xbox was on my house in 2 weeks. that was almost 2 years now my brother has it and is working i own an elite now and its work great no RRoD no e74 no error at all.

1.RRoD? whats the big deal with that the repair is free and i think none of the new xbox out in the market right now had the problem.

[jBat17]

and braid was buggy, same as gears of lag

and new crapboxes are still defective. either you're delusional or you just love kissing M$ a$$. maybe you're both

[zainkool]

This is coming from a xbox fanboy site. So much for being credible.

[GiantEnemyCrab]

GEC hugs his 360!!

High-fives his PS3!

Laughs at the one console owning, taking this as a personal attack nutters going into damage control overdrive.

[Phantom_T]

Sites have to keep telling and reassuring themselves that the 360 is better than the PS3?
I can picture a horde of xbox fanboys (and only fanboys) holding each other telling themselves -
"We're gonna be alright,don't worry,I'm sure we're making the right decision,we have to be"

[The_Zeitgeist]

Persistence is a trait, not a reason at all.

[A LIVING LEGEND]

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Insert reasons here^.Individually they likely differ from the accepted criteria.Both great consoles,my personal experiences have perhaps biased me somewhat,but I won't deny credit where it is due,nor will I lie.GAME ON =)

[xg-ei8ht]

I've played on 360 and the amount of abuse during any game there is on the system is unreal.

just kids screaming, you f^cker,cheating F&cker,ranting like the little nobs they are.

[All-3]

I've already replied...

Technology shifts and changes and prices do too... nobody knows what the next home consoles will have --> BUT <-- you don't think BOTH Microsoft --> and Sony <-- haven't learned a thing or two about pricing from this generation? LOL...

To explain further... in a few more years:

How much will quad-core processors cost? They have them out already - YES?

How much will WiFi cost in a few years?

Also do a google search for - faster than Bluetooth

Larger capacity disc technology has been developed already that is touted to be CHEAPER than blu-ray. Here's one example: http://displaydaily.com/200...

XDR and GDDR Memory prices have dropped already as well... how much more will it drop in 2-3 years? Hmmmm?

If Sony can ALREADY manufacture a cheaper PS3 - why do YOU think something more powerful with all the same features can't be made 2-3 years from NOW at a CHEAPER price than the initial launch price of the PS3?

Answer that question...

[Thoreau]

cling to your identity. the 360 is not as awesome as you believe, and the original xbox was better. when the ps3 launched, the console's game collection was sh!t. Now, i only play my ps3. my 360 will get some love when alan wake comes out, but it will not be the end all, be all. heavy rain will offer very stiff competition. as to date, what makes the 360 so good? i stare at it and play fallout3 but that is it. the buttons on the 360 controller are trash, but the analogs are solid. the 360 honestly feels like a step back from the original xbox. luckly my 2nd 360 only died once and my launch 360 never died, so i guess i am lucky.

overall if you own both systems you would know that the ps3 is better(only my personal view, fangoggles off)

[Uncle Rico]

good God.... blah blah blah PS3 is better than the 360, 360 is better than the ps3...damn no name blogs trying to rake in hits.

[Bits-N-Kibbles]

honestly... SONIC THE MOTHERF@CKING HEDGEHOG

[equax]

I'm tired of fan boys. As long as I can play my game I'm set. Speaking of Sonic I plan to purchase Sonic's Ultimate Genesis Collection.

[tawak]

why 360 beat ps3
1) piracy
2) multiple buying of unit due to massive failure rate
3) cheap!not profitable unit, quantity only matters to microsoft
4) 1 year head start
5) bribes anyone

[sGIBMBR]

The SONY defense for is here peeps... So sad how you all gather together and talk s**t in every single article on N4G!

[Tr10wn]

Because N4G is a ps3 fan based site i just come here to read article like this one lol is funny to hear questions like why "The PS3 is so GOOD"

The first answer is killzone2 the 2nd killzone2 and the 3rd blueray, killzone2 and free online lol.

[likedamaster]

Top 5 Ways Xbox 360 Has Beaten PS3:

5) Third Party Exclusives
4) XBLA & Community Games
3) Price
2) Persistence
1) And top reason is..." Xbox Live

Agreed. Been enjoying Netflix as well.

[llMurcielagoll]

If the article is true. PS3 will catch up and surpass the 360. By that time my PS3 will be still here and your 360 is giving you the Ring.

Just kidding, I really like the 360 but I dont have money to buy one at the moment xD

[Stogz]

I love how the author of this article is so biased saying how amazing it was for Microsoft to take over after their second system.

HMMMM, let's all think about this, how many systems did it take Sony to dominate over Nintendo and Sega? Both of whom were thought to be unrivaled at the time.

HMMM ONE.

The Playstation 1 destroyed the N64 and the Saturn easily, and continued with the Playstation 2. So if Microsoft is sooooo great, then they should have been number 1 with their first system like Sony was, but unfortunately that's not the truth at all, so for him to write off Sony so quickly just shows how stupid and ignorant he is.

[cmrbe]

really? hehe.

[swingingape]

You can deny all you want, but it's pretty obvious 360 is more popular and sells better than ps3. We're half way through the 5-year life cycle of the current gen systems now. A lot of ps3 need to be sold to catch up. Face the facts.

[Stogz]

Umm 7 million more consoles sold with a year head start, dude that's nothing, especially since most likely neither console will sell more than the Wii. You're only looking at US numbers, nowhere else, so I think it's you who needs to face the facts.

[swingingape]

By virtue of the one year lead time, MS has gained an incredible advantage in having a greater install base of 360 over the PS3 in homes. This translates to more copies sold on the 360 side, giving developers even more reason to concentrate on the 360. Resident Evil 5, SFIV, DMC4 all sold more copies on 360. Only Burnout Paradise, which was developed on PS3 specifically as lead SKU, sold more copies on PS3.

Look at this another way. Some people here argue about which system is more powerful. That's a moot point IMO. It doesn't matter how powerful are the specs for either system, PS3 or 360. What matters most is how well the developer is able to take advantage of each system's capabilities.

To ignore the advantages of being the lead SKU is folly. Games programmed for a specific platform tend to be more streamlined on that system. Therefore they run better on that system, which happens to be 360. That's why MS and Sony chase after hot developers to develop on their system by offering backend deals: covering development costs, giving out free dev kits, sending their in-house programmers to help with projects. Sony was known for sending in its group of uber-nerds when companies needed help with troublesome programming areas. These Sony engineers know the system architecture in and out, because they were the ones designing it.

So why did developers choose to concentrate on and develop for the 360 as lead SKU, especially during the first few years of this console generation?

MS did a lot of things to get third party developers to choose the 360 over PS3 as the lead SKU. MS paid them a ton of money and they had the foresight to send out dev kits to developers quicker than Sony did. This was covered in industry news back during the next gen launch days. It takes a while before developers learn all the tricks for a system. That's why later games released during the end days of a platform tend to look better than launch games.

Also, PS3 has really complicated architecture due to the cell. There has been numerous articles talking about how no one really has taken full advantage of the PS3's cell yet. There was one such article up on N4G this past week. We're not doubting the potential power of the cell vs 360's processors. But this all goes back to which system gets the benefit of being lead SKU.

Take for example how the early Madden games for this generation ran at 30fps on PS3, yet were 60 fps on 360. This is yet again due to development being done on 360 first and then the code being ported to PS3. Since the code was built specifically to maximize performance on the 360, programmers had to find other shortcuts to get the game running at a reasonable rate, and thus had to reduce the frame rates to ensure similar performance on both systems. I'm sure if they had more time, the developers could hack away at the PS3 code until they finessed it up to 60 fps. But because of the nature of the business and the need to have both platform versions released around the same time, developers are working on a time limit and so concessions had to be made.

Additionally, the porting of code is often times handed to contractors or the B-team. It's not a big leap to say that perhaps the original creative team may be the smarter, more talented or experienced group. Heck, they were chosen to be part of the original development team for a reason. Another example is the PS3 version of Orange Box which was derided for being near unplayable for all the slowdown.

There has been enough time now for developers to get a good handle on the PS3 architecture. Games for either system look and play pretty similarly. Unfortunately, most people still see the 360 version of games as the superior one; the differences may exist but are pretty subtle. So people go to other factors in deciding which version to buy, things like online experience, brand popularity, and in this respect MS is edging out Sony for the time being.