Sony Just Can't Shake Off Microsoft

The latest issue of the Official Playstation magazine is said to have some interesting comments made from Sony's Kaz Hirai in regards to Microsoft. When questioned about both taking a similar path, he said that they (Sony) just can't shake 'these guys' and they're (MS) going down the path of everything Sony does...

[bernie]

oh, sorry that was Microsoft's idea before Sony's :)

[Brooklynite]

im not saying the ps3 cant fail but if it dosnt man, i hope all u people who talk negative bout sony remember wat u said and dont try to kiss a$$ if sony is in the winning.

i still respect sony for the two great consoles they delivered. yall must of forgot thAT

[Chronical]

Kai harai or whatever is such a DumbA$$. its like that anoying kid you knew in school that kept on stealing other peoples thoughts and ideas and saying its there own. in reality its the other way around. when MS looks behind they keep seeing Sony Stealing there ideas.
And that part when he says it was lauched to prematurly. Thats BS. there still not sure who will win the format war and the more they wait the worst it is for sony. i think it would have been alot better to see the PS3 out now and maybe have an add on for bluray. there wasting time with the whole bluray and movie Sh1t. playstation was considered a game consol and now its a movie player more then anything.
I HATE SONY.

[MONOLITHICIDE]

Sony never said it was a gaming console even with the Ps1. Notice when you start the console up it says Computer entertainment System, Yea your a Dumb A$$. Even sony says they never said it was just a gaming console, but since I just said that now all the 360 fans are going to tell me they lie its bullsh!t or sumthin, come on reply im waiting

[ACE]

lol!! wake up mate

smell the coffee,,,, sony are well known to over hype there $hit more then any one else so what ever ..

oh and ms copying sony lol what a joke ,,,

i'm not gona waist my time arguing with u so what ever lol!!

i think sony said that just to make sony fan boys happy lol after all the sony mags are for brain washed sony fans lol ....

like i said sony fans are like gold fish ,,, they have a 6 second memmory so they keep for getting how often sony fuk them up the ar$e..

THIS IS FACT !!! SONY FANS LOL!! LATER

[MissAubrey]

Sony's gone mad.

[The BS Police]

This is freaking BS! Sony can kiss my @ss for all I care!

Sony just won't stop spreading there lies!

[AIan]

I am so glad I no longer support Sony. May the PS3 fail...

[The BS Police]

I agree with you!

[OutLaw]

I'm glad you're starting to write with us and I would like to say welcome to the forum.

[Optimus Prime]

totally agree. sony thinks they come up with everything. but i am pretty sure everything they have done, they have copied off of another console

[FamoAmo]

You don't like Sony anymore? When did you decide that? You seem to post Lame on every 360 article.. You must of relized MS has the sh!t this time around. Good 4 u!!

[AuburnTiger]

How can you people hate on a machine before it's even out yet?

[Lucidmantra]

I hate the Kaz guy that guy is such a slug and a worthless waste of human skin. In his mind he thinks that the PS is the only thing that can change the way games are played. He sounds like a Roman Emperor just about ready to take a fall. PS3 won't fail but I hope it gets this guy fired because he is such an ass.

[achira]

2: you are the only dumbass. he only said that ms is strong competition and that they try to do the same sony does. ms copies, thats a fact.

[The BS Police]

Achira all Sony does is copy both Nintendo and Microsoft!

From the motion sensingcontroler down to XBOX Live!

[TheMART]

If you know so well Achira then give us a list please what MS copied from Sony. I'll give you then a list what Sony copied from others

[BOOSTIN]

i cant stand that kai hajimacowanda wan tan to foo whatever his name is. i wonder why the interviewer didnt have the nads to bring up how sony copied MANY things from the 360 to put on their [email protected] that interview was rediculous!

[OutLaw]

If I could remember it was the Dreamcast with windows CE that was the first system with internet access, not Sony.

[achira]

i think you are right outlaw, although i could not check that. what i wanted to say is, sony was before ms, thats all, and thats still true.

[calidredz]

Xbox had a release date for Xboxlive at launch it was one year from the consoles release. Sony then rushed their HDD/ethernet port contraption out before Live was released. I knew when I purchased my first xbox at launch that live was a year away, get your facts straight.

[The BS Police]

You are the one who sounds like a Nazi, you call us dumb americans, that sounds exactly what a Nazi or a terrorist would say!

[Lucidmantra]

DC did have internet browsing and online gaming. First console to do that.

Not a Nazi or a terrorist, just a Asian who hates everything American.

[BOSS]

Xboxlive Core/Premium versions world wide launch. Whos copying who?

[MONOLITHICIDE]

do you really think MS isnt going to come out with a motion sensing controller, what then will you say, you know they will its how the system goes, Sony nintendo and Microsoft act like there against each other but they prolly think together and come up with strategies so every one will buy something. Yea you know that Wii controller and the wire that connects to the little joy stick thing, yea soon that will prolly be wireless, and nintendo will so it revolutionizes gameing cause you can stretch your arms as far as you can, and everyone will be like Awesome man and buy it and then what else, does everyone see what im trying to say, im kind of drunk but i think im writing fine so hit me back up i wanna know what everyone thinks, all the companyies are just trying to get your money yes even microsoft.

[TheMART]

And then what Monolith

MS had a motion sensor controller for PC already years ago. It would be just implementing that knowledge on 360. Sony even took that idea from MS... pfew

[Alexander]

I swear that guy is a jerk just like the rest of the Sony reps, they'll all idiots and have no style. Expecially when you contrast them with the cool characters at MS. I do not understand why he would say that, it seems rediculas, what has Microsoft copied from Sony this generation? Argueably the camera, but MS helped develop the EyeToy anyway.

[Moostache]

Are you Japanese or something?

I only ask because you have made it a point to question the relative intelligence of all Americans (which is a bit of a stretch even in an internet forum).

Stick to the matter at hand and leave the geo-political ranting out. It won't help you "prove" anything and only makes you look bad in the end.

Oh yeah, and online play was originally on PC's back in the late 1980's when Sony was still making Walkmen radios. Don't try to build them into some great innovators - Sony has ALWAYS, from its inception, stolen ideas from others and them simply made better products (or products that gave the IMPRESSION of being better).

Sony has not changed one bit. They are running the PS1-to-PS2 playbook all over again virtually page for page. Delay. Hype. Delay. Hype. Attack. Hype. Blame. Hype. Over-promise. Hype. Over-promise some more. Hype. Under-deliver. Blame. Blame. Blame. Get ready to rinse and repeat.

[Alexander]

Thanks for saying i'm cool, it's nice to know us ENGLISH people can be cool too. Think before you speak.

[Shadow Flare]

i gotta say, what kaz said in the first paragraph made me laugh. I mean he made it sound like ms copied everything off of sony, which is not true. Both companies have taken ideas from each other

But the second paragraph to me makes perfect sense and its just the way i feel about microsoft's desperate want, to get the 360 on the market before the ps3

[TitanXX]

The guys at Sony should just let thier product do the talking and that is all they need to do to put the 360 at thier place. They should not make any Sony executive talk because they are way to dumb to talk. on the other hand those who say Sony will lose is to to dumb to talk.

[Lucidmantra]

I agree Titan... Loose lips sink ships. And Sony is doing ALOT of talking because there harware is not doing any showing because I still have yet to see a PS3 inside the console box they say it will look like functioning and running code. No fanboi, just truth. If you can show me I would be happy to see it.

[Cyclonus]

Do really want to give $600 + to these assholes?

Hmmm? Do you?

Didn't think so.

[MONOLITHICIDE]

YEa

[TitanXX]

They have a great future proof product on thier hands they just don't know how to make it appeal right now.But soon people will understand

[Cyclonus]

"a great future proof product"

kinda hard to call the PS3 future-proof considering its a g*damn BluRay Player, and thats ANYTHING BUT future-proof.

[TitanXX]

Thier is a price drop that people will wait for as well.

Look alot of poeple are waiting for Sony. I mean the 360 only averages around 200,000 to 300,000 a mounth and the PS2 outsells it. that means no Sony fan is going to the MS side and they are waiting. the 360 fanboys say that Sony fanboys are going to MS when most are just waiting and even casual gamers are waitng.

Another thing is all this negative talk from the 360 fans are downgrading the 360 I mean why go on the net when all these lonely 360 fanboys write BS on the net about the PS3 without any fact and the thing did not even come out yet. I only come hear for PS3 and 360 news not BS

[Defman420]

Im not waiting on a ps3. speak for yourself.

[Optimus Prime]

why the hell do you think they sell more? lower faucking prices, a wider range of games for immature little girls and boys. parents that dont know ne thing about consoles are just gunna blow over 300 bucks for a console. duh, so shut your mouth.

[TheMART]

People that buy a PS2 now don't have money for a next gen console, or their previous PS2 DVD drive quit working (like it is with all of my friends and they still want to play their collections of games).

Furthermore, you also don't compare Ferrari with Fiat don't you? That's what's comparing a 360 with a PS2.

The only important numbers are these:

End of june:
360 sold 5 million
4.5 games attach rate per console
3 hardware devices attach rate per console
(that makes a profit on each console for MS)
Live GOLD about 3.5 million users

PSZero --> Zero sold

November 2006
360 sold 10 million
attach rate even higher
5 million people on Live Gold

PSZero --> Maybe released, maybe delayed, maybe cancelled. If you ask me, sold Zero

That's how you should read it. Even homeless people are buying a PS2 nowadays to cut their bread on

[Mal Reynolds]

First off, I didn't know you could see into the future. You said that in November 2006, which is in the future...xbox sold 10 million, and they have a higher attatch rate (which from a market stand point is not very likely...just because you sell more of something doens't mean your attach rate will go up...if anything it will stay the same or go down...take a class). You also said that 5 million would be on xbox live which is interesting because it seems that you just pulled this number straight out of your butt. If MS has sold 5 mil xbox's now, and you say they will sell 10 mil by November, then by that logic they should have 7 mil xbox live accounts, which is double from 3.5 mil. Your 5 mil "hypothesis", if you can even consider it an educated guess, has no merit what-so-ever.
Now about your absolutely retarded comment about homeless people buying PS2s. I work at a homeless shelter, so I know what they are buying...and believe me, it is not a PS2. Poor people are not the only ones still buying PS2s. Many are buying because they like the new form factor, or because there are still new games coming out for it that are awesome. MS's problem is that they have completely left the Xbox 1.0 and are only focussing on Xbox 360. So now my xbox 1.0 will not be seeing anymore sweet games, just cross platformers that are lame. R.I.P. Xbox 1.0. PS2 at least has many more titles coming to it that look pretty amazing (God of War II, FFXII, and others).

[TheMART]

Renolds something like calculating is a job also.

At the end of June, 360 sold 5 million confirmed by last know selling numbers and montly sells at USA, Europe and rest of the world.

Selling USA per month now is between 250.000 and 300.000

Europe selling included Australia, rest of the world and so on will for sure get somewhere between 400.000 and 600.000

Selling switches to higher gears also.

250.000+(lets say in between numbers) 500.000 makes 750.000 360's sold a month.

till the end of the year we've got 6 months to go. At least 4.5 million of 360's sold by then.

Makes a total close to 10 million sold.
Not to say that Gears of War will be a huge system seller and sales will go up by that time. As is with Forza 2 and more.

Well, not everybody that buys a 360 automatically will lengthen it's free gold month. MS has stated @ E3 2006 that it has 3 million gold live members. That it will be doubled by E3 2007. MS is quit good in predicting compared to Fony which thinks to sell 4 million PSZero's at the end of this year.

So if 6 million will be reached @ E3 2007 around april/may, that would make a 5 million mark by the end of this year possible.

The statement about the homeless people was just a sarcastic joke. If you don't get that one, stay selling soup at your work don't take that too serious man

[WOW]

Yes a lot of us are waiting for sony. But I consider myself one of Sony's biggest fans but I'm honest enough to admit that its getting really hard to wait on the ps3. Microsoft has done a masterful job with their xbox 360. My friend has one and I visit him and play his. I just hope ps3 at least matches the 360. But with Gears of War coming out soon. I am just a tad anxious to play it. So yes many are waiting but many are not with the 600 dollar price. I for one have a few friends who never bought xbox but they gave in and bought a 360. I might. Its looking like a must have system. I will wait and see when ps3 has a playable model in the store to make my decision.

[MISSY E]

Don't forget it's summer and the 360 costs people around $500 dollars. And i think you're full of sh!t when you say MS fans make stuff up and comment with out it being a fact in reality they get their info from posted credible news from games sites ect. In fact you're comment 14 is so fuc*ing stupid only an idiot would believe it. 360 fans are pulling all their comment out of the air Jesus Christ the hole industry are liers. And why do you guy's always compare the PS2 witch is on the low end of the market to the 360 on the high end. GET REAL!!!.

[Shadow Flare]

in the first few months of launch...

-ps2 outsold psone
-ps2 outsold N64
-psone outsold sega genesis
-gameboy advance outsold gameboy color
-nintendo ds lite outsold nintendo ds
-xbox 360 outsold xbox

but...

-ps2 STILL outsells xbox 360?!?!

The reason people bring it up is because its a joke, its funny and it shows how xbox 360 isn't as appealing as playstation is....and sales prove that very much so

[Optimus Prime]

you wanna know why they out sell, lets take a look. ps2 has a wide range of games, mostly for little boys and girls. second is the faucking price. you think some one is gunna buy a 400 to 500 dollar console, if they know nothing about it, umm NO.

who the hell cares about the ps2, oh yea, all the sony fan boys, who dont have a ps3 to play.

[Shadow Flare]

u sound pissed, chill out

firstly, "ps2 is cheaper and has little kiddie games dat are keepin it runnin?"

-what, so the psone wasnt cheaper and had kids games on it? So why did ps2 sell better than ps1? What bout that whole list i wrote? In history a good console has always outsold its older predecesors...but the 360 cant outsell a ps2? Im not sayin 360 is crap, but im sayin that it cant outsell a ps2 when there's not any other next-gen rivals?

You think 360 sales will increase when ps3 and wii launch?

[Optimus Prime]

it will sell when halo 3, gow, F.E.A.R, prey, too human and some of the most anticipated shooters come to the 360. That is sure what happened when halo 2 came out on xbox, it will be the exact same

[TheMART]

A 360 costs 299 dollar/euro for the core
and 399 for the premium

Saying it costs 500 dollars/euro's is included a game and an extra controller yeah. A full PSZero will cost ya around 720 to 750 dollars with one game and an extra controller YOU SAY WHAT? You're talking out of your ass.

@ Shadow, read what I wrote before

People that buy a PS2 now don't have money for a next gen console, or their previous PS2 DVD drive quit working (like it is with all of my friends and they still want to play their collections of games).

Furthermore, you also don't compare Ferrari with Fiat don't you? That's what's comparing a 360 with a PS2.

The only important numbers are these:

End of june:
360 sold 5 million
4.5 games attach rate per console
3 hardware devices attach rate per console
(that makes a profit on each console for MS)
Live GOLD about 3.5 million users

PSZero --> Zero sold

November 2006
360 sold 10 million
attach rate even higher
5 million people on Live Gold

PSZero --> Maybe released, maybe delayed, maybe cancelled. If you ask me, sold Zero

That's how you should read it. Even homeless people are buying a PS2 nowadays to cut their bread on

[WOW]

As much as I luv sony its not fair to compare psp sales/gameboy advance sales/and ps2 sales to the 360 sales. Completely different markets. Yes they are all gaming platforms but they aren't next gen and they don't have the next gen price point. The Wii, 360 and ps3 are the ones you have to compare as far as sales go. I know many people who picked up another ps2 when the price dropped to 130. Its a good bargain. And Gods of war 2 is still coming out. I know a lot of people who traded in their ps2 to get a credit for their 360. I have 2 ps2's. And I know many that have multiple ps2's. At 130 dollars its easy to do. I have one in my room and one in my living room that doubles as my dvd player. Its a good bargain at 130. But to compare it's sales to the 360 is silly. My question is with ps2 selling so good at 130 how did sony stock drop 50 percent and they loose 600 million this first quarter? I have stock invested in sony and I'm pissed about that. Anyone know? Its bs. I knew when they started that whole blu ray talk it would hurt us as a company. NOT SMART. I love you sony but come on. Get it together. Scrap the blu ray and come out with your next gen ps3 for 400 dollars or less. I promise all your fans will stick with you.

[ChaosKnight]

Come on. Microsoft did most of the things this generation and next-generation did right. They techincally started the HDD to help enhance the gameplay, Xbox live is a big one, How about built in online with Xbox and no PS2... I personally think Microsof should be looking over their shoulder and see Sony, not the other way around. Yes Sony's been in the game industry one generation more, but that doesnt mean Microsoft is the one whos copying... they're starting their own new ideas... *sigh* I personally think Sony should keep their mouth shut about the competition... they seem to say the wrong things at the wrong time.

[TitanXX]

I mean sony has a great product inntheir hands and should just release it.

[TitanXX]

yes what they say is lies I mean listen who would say that the PS3 has less power then the 360 when ign.com and even gamestop says it is more powerful. Come on they don't get from sites the make it up to fit thier liking. I still like the 360 but the fans just love it like it is GOD when it is another gaming system that you play on your free time it's not a job. the same goes for the Wii and the PS3

[Defman420]

not to pull anything out the air but i think ign is recommending 360 as the system to have now

[Cyclonus]

IGN and gameshtappo say Ps3 is more powerful,then it MUST BE TWOOOO!!!11!

now who's slinging BS? (hint: you)

[TitanXX]

they are smart and are waiting for all the next-gen systems to come out in order to say which to buy. I mean look what if the Wii is better or the PS3. Who cares I just want a PS3 and 360 to play games and have thier exclusives like HAlo 3 anf Killzone 2 that is all.

And 19.2 you are the kind of 360 fanboy that i am talking about you asume i am for Sony but i am for both Sony and Microsoft and that it will be great for the industry.

[WOW]

Once again...I love sony but stop spreading lies. Ign and Gamestop said it had more processing power when the specs first came out. 3.5 ghz. But it was dropped to 3.2 ghz. And now it might be dropped to 2.8 ghz. But to me no one but the developers know which is more powerful. I don't know..you don't know...only people who will develope for both systems will know. As far as on paper I have to believe what developers have been saying about the 360 haveing more gaming power and the ps3 having more hd video power. But thats just whats being said. We will see when both systems are out and we can compare Halo 3 against Sony's first party games. But until then its all numbers. I remember when the ps2 was suppose to be 10 times more powerful than a computer. Was it? That was the numbers they were throwing out at us prior to launch. I love my ps2 but 10 times better than a computer? thats just silly. The games will speak for themselves. We will see. I read an article from ign E3 saying that the 360 had the edge as far as gaming. But like I said. Thats just numbers. The games will speak and we will all see.

[TitanXX]

Developers like Sega and Ubisoft said the system is the most advaced piece of tech they have ever had to work with. You are right I don't really know but to asume that the Cell and RSX chip from what is said is more powerful