Microsoft: US market is already decided

NowGamer: When asked if the battle between the PS3 and the 360 was now decided in the US, Lewis said Microsoft has "done the job we need to in North America", and that the company would focus more effort on increasing the 360's lead over the PS3 in Europe.

[Bnet343]

I agree, in North America I think Xbox 360 will lead this generation. Can't say the same about Europe and Japan though ... well maybe Europe, I do not know the numbers in Europe.

[MURKERR]

and you believe anybody has won any region yet with 28mil worth of consoles sold......do you see how ridiculous you sound?

[JhawkFootball06]

The bad thing is Xbox 360 is STILL outselling the PS3 worldwide when its really in a gaming drought. I mean if the 360 would have PS3's 09 lineup...well then the numbers of consoles sold would contribute much more to the 360. Its sad to see PS3's strong lineup is not selling consoles as the 360's 09 lineup is mere with the console still selling strong

[ChampIDC]

Consoles sold means nothing anyway. We'd have to look at profits to decide a real "winner". Numbers means nothing if you're not making any money.

[MURKERR]

to back up your bold statement thanks

[Anon1974]

When you look at the NPD data for 2006, 2007 and 2008 (4.4 million, 4.6 million and 4.7 million) it tells a tale of almost zero growth for the console year over year in the US, even after the price cut. It's been selling steadily but sales haven't increased and that tells of a market approaching saturation. Surely if anything were to boost sales it would have been the price cut in the US, and that just didn't happen.

Worldwide was a different storey as the price cut absolutely increased 360 sales abroad. Microsoft would do well to continue pushing into other markets.

The PS3, in the meantime, was showing impressive growth before the current economic situation reared it's ugly head. 45% growth in the US year over year, 30% growth in the rest of the world. Even having the most expensive console during times of economic crisis the worldwide sales have only dropped off marginally and there's no doubt that once people start to realize it's not the end of days that consumers will come back. A PS3 price cut certainly wouldn't hurt either.

Edit: @ JhawkFootball06. You seem to be a bit confused. The 360 is outselling the PS3 NOW after the price cut but sales for the two were tied according to offical numbers from the companies for calendar year 2007 and 2008. You make it sound like the 360 has been outselling for some time now and we know that's not the case from MS's and Sony's own ship numbers reported on their financial statements.

[Why o why]

id expect more from you Kigmal;) There is a long long way to go before execs can start sucking each others d!cks like the job is done. Dare i say arrogant on MS's behalf.

@MURKERR

did you really ask him for REAL data. He'll probably bring up vg charts spelt with a 'z'

[MURKERR]

...ta

[u got owned]

"...It's been selling steadily but sales haven't increased and that tells of a market approaching saturation."

That doesn't make any sense, in any case if the sales were going down, then you could say the market is approaching saturation.

BTW, where in the article MS said "Us market is already decided"?

[Bnet343]

Expect more from me? What the hell did I say wrong? All I said was what I think. I believe Xbox 360 will lead sales in North America. It's a prediction, there is nothing wrong with that. The PS3 fanboys don't like my comment awww boo hoo, go suck on a lemon.

[pain777pas]

At the end of the day with a year ahead and a price drop the 360 trails the WII. Sorry M$ nothing has been decided NA is WIInation the world is WIInation. Look the only thing you accomplished so far is satisfy your fan base and add in a few Sony defunters. Now I will state that I think at the end of the day Sony and M$ will be neck and neck in NA or 360 with a 4:3 lead. In Europe I think that they will lose in the end and Japan its already over.

[Anon1974]

You're 100% correct, but growth will flatline usually before it starts falling off. 2006 and 2007 360 sales growth was flat and 2008 started off with sales in decline but the price cut evened things out a bit giving them slight growth by year end.

Still, given that the price cut appears to have cost Microsoft 60% of their profit over the holiday quarter, you have to wonder what prompted the move? With the consoles themselves costing almost $200 to make (not including shipping, packaging, accessories, etc) Microsoft may have priced the 360 at a loss again and this certainly seems to be the case with the $225 million drop in profit over the holiday quarter (YOY) despite increased sales and increased revenue for MS entertainment. You have to wonder, is Microsoft sacrificing profit again in the face of zero sales growth in the US trying to heat things up or are they simply having a fire sale on 360's to unload old stock before the new motherboard revision comes out this summer (just speculation. The main 360 maker stated it's ready to go this summer. Who knows when it'll actually arrive)?

Anyway, these are questions I don't have the answers to.

[DragonWarrior_4]

Now all they need is some exclusives to back that statement up. They haven't won anything till they can come up with a game that is better then GOW (God of War). Honestly they have yet to make a game better then any exclusive the ps3 has out now. Sure Halo was fun in 2004, and GeoW was alright, but Ive yet to see anything come from the 360 that is better then anything on the ps3. Dont even say Fable 2 because the second one was garbage compared to the first, and Mass Effect is not a true exclusive when I can play superior pc version.

BTW, I dont know whats taking Rare so long to make a new Conker. Now that is a game that is worth bragging about on the 360, but is seems that they obviously dont know what they have.

[Why o why]

chill out....check the wink;) Im just saying its way too early for MS to be making victory speeches. There is nothing wrong with your opinion. Your disagrees are probably from fanboys AND fans for differing reasons plus I like lemons so whas ya point *wink*

[Mainman]

I think MS spoke pre-maturily about NA market.

They should've waited till PS3's price cut and analyze the market post PS3 price-cut. If the 360 still outsells PS3 after the PS3 price-cut, then it would be safe to assume 360 won the NA market.

Personally I think Sony should drop the price soon. If they wait too long, then MS might respond to the PS3 price with a 360 price-cut. This move has the potential to cancel out the PS3 price cut advantage.

[Doctor_Doom]

I can play games with these consoles !!! I'm enjoying it too lol.

Seriously, who cares about sales other than shareholders ???

[SkyGamer]

Sucks for us North American Gamers, Great for European Gamers! Finally they get some love for always getting the shaft, and not from just MS but from Nintendo and sony as well.

[Hoggy1983]

I agree with you bud. Don't actually see what you said that was so inflammatory.

Murkerr, where is your data to the contrary? Are there any acceptable sources you can offer?

[Genesis5]

So that's why they are not worried about making exclusive. They are so sure they have already won.

Did they ever read the tortoise and the hare? Slow starts can look different at the finish.

[thebigcheese]

XBOX360 have out sold PS3 by 2 million units world wide since the

launch of the PS3.

They where ahead by 6 million units at PS3 launch, now they are ahead

by 8 million. So really it comes out to be a close race, just MS

decision to put out the xbox a year early, also out selling by a

minor 2 mil.

either way I see no way that the sales are going to saturate. xbox is

out selling ps3 even though they have a horrible line up this year.

which is pretty impressive.

[GUNS N SWORDS]

i don't really see anything wrong with what (Kigmal) said,

we're talking about the US market here, very few times sony's manage to over take MS in this region, if it was any two games in this world that would have jumped ps3's sales numbers over 360's in the US, it would have been killzone2 and R2. (and yet they did not)

over here in the US 360's quite popular, even with few exclusives 360 still sells a lot.

[s8anicslayer]

I think the 360 will reign supreme here in the us, the same way sony and ninty fare in japan.

[Rainstorm81]

for what stating the truth?? N4G is crazy.

[y0haN]

I agree with Kigmal. Although we might not want to admit it, the Xbox 360 has too much of a lead on the PS3 to win in North America. The larger the installed base, the more influence (because of friends owning the system, exclusives tied to the system etc) the system has and the more unlikely it is for another system to win. A perfect example of this is the Wii. Everyone pretends it doesn't exist, I sure as hell don't care for it but the masses do, and neither Sony or MS is stupid enough to dream to catch it up now.

[IdleLeeSiuLung]

Here is an eye opener for some:

- Considering Xbox has twice the install base in the US as PS3 i.e. 12 million to 6 million (take or give due to numbers missing the all important holiday season of 2008). Source:

http://www.gamedaily.com/ar...

- Xbox outselling PS3 at least a 100k every month in the US and that is considered a feat.

- Wii has eaten into the market share. People that normally would have bought a PS3 or Xbox no longer wants one. The opposite is probably less likely so the net is a loss for the two HD console makers.

- Total approximate sales for last generation PS2 140+ Million (note for the last 2-years no competition), Xbox 20 Million, GC 20 Million worldwide. That is about 180 million consoles worldwide. Assuming half of that belong to the US, 90 million. Give another 10 million or so for the expanded market due to the Wii reaching more consumers. We are looking at 100 million shared among the three console makers.

Conclusion, we are at least a third of that sold already and Wii is continuing to destroy the competition and the Xbox will probably by the end of this year have a 8-9 million lead over the PS3. That is about 3 years of sale for Sony at the current rate if MS didn't sell a single console just for Sony to catch up. The math:

6 million PS3 consoles sold in almost exactly 2 years, about 3 million/year in the US.

Still think Sony can take the US?

Now Sony could make up some of the gain in worldwide sales due to strong presence in Europe, but more notably in Japan at the moment. However, Japan as a market is shrinking and is smaller than Europe....

[indyman7777]

Europe is reported by Sony wrongly. They add about a sixth of the earth when they include the Middle East and Russia. Microsoft does not do this misleading conniving trick. If you compare apples to apples Microsoft lead. But if you fall for the Fony lie Fony leads!

[thesummerofgeorge]

There's just too much of this generation left to say who's gonna win. PS3 has a huge rest of the year and a huge year for 2010 game wise as well. When God of War 3, Heavy Rain, and MAG etc. are out, I think it will change things. All parties involved aren't giving up without a fight, and we all shall reap the benefits of their pissing contest.

[barom]

Almost gotta agree but it also largely depends on this generation's lifecycle. If it will last 10 years and I believe that it can, anything that's gonna come out is just gonna be a small upgrade like the DSi. If we are to say last console cycle started when the Dreamcast came (1998) and this generation started when 360 came (2005) then that's already 7 years.

Given the economy, developers' budget and the fact that both MS and Sony needs to recoup a lot of their costs (MS with faulty machines and Sony with early price drop). It's easy to see this generation drag out a few more years compared to that of last generation.

Anyway back to my point, if this generation does last 10 years. Then Sony can still "win". Sony hasn't really hit the so called sweet point yet price-wise and the HDTV adoption has really just begun gaining ground with 40" HDTVs just starting to go for as low as 800$'ish. So unless MS releases another console and call it an early win, I still think Sony can still gain ground (not to the point they were last gen but ahead of 360). And there's no reason why a 360 owner can't buy a PS3.

In Europe, I'll bet the turning point will be when Gran Turismo 5 hits.

[IdleLeeSiuLung]

Unfortunately, even if it drags out to ten or even twelve years, by that time it doesn't matter very much. The important phase is in the first 5 years, not when a new console is out and the previous generation is a remnant of the past.

Even if the big two, Sony and MS, is trying to extend this generation to recoup the cost, it is conceivable that Nintendo will force the other two to release a new console. Worse is that, MS has proven that first to market has a huge advantage and you can bet this is a huge factor in the next console cycle even if they just release a more expensive machine early so not to compete with the older generation machines (alas what Sony is doing right now).

[OGharryjoysticks]

means there will always be a head

[morganfell]

Correct. A head to lop off. MS is acting as if this generation doesn't have several years left in it and the fact is it does indeed. Just look how close the PS3 has managed to pull despite a year head start in the US (a year and a half in the EU). I love arrogant guys like this that will completely disappear when the smoke clears.

[Kurylo3d]

u do realize this generation is practically over.. only about 1 or 2 years left im sure til the next consoles.

[Hellsvacancy]

The Ps3's gonna b around 4 atleat another 7 years i cant say the same 4 the 360

Its not like Ms can cut the price of the 360 anymore than wot they already hav where as Sony hav up2 £200 pounds 2 play with (meanin in 6 years time id imagine the Ps3 sellin 4 "£100)

This Gens if faaaaaar from decided

[ThanatosDMC]

That's kinda sad that people want to get to the next console after the one they liked failed. For me, a console is allowed to die off after having thousands of games on the market, basically the PS2 standard. The 360 and the PS3 have a minuscule amount of games compared to it.

So far both have limited amount of games. Probably most gamers have the same game on their consoles, there still not enough of them to make a variety.

[JasonPC360PS3Wii]

What the hell does a year head start matter when the 360 is still outselling the PS3 by 200-400k a month?

Well... whats you excuse for that? Does that head start include the hundreds of thousands more consoles sold each month over the PS3?

The 360 has the US over the PS3, you know it and Sony knows it. You guys can try and come up with as many exclusives you like, but your "head start" theory doesn't work when the 360 continues to increase it's lead in the US.

[morganfell]

With NPD figures due tomorrow, a smart person would retract that "still outselling by 200 - 400 a month" comment. A smart person would do that.

[FF7numbaone]

lol the gen is over microsoft lol. Not the wii and ps3. I expect Ms to pull the plug on 360 and sony and nintendo will milk.

[xXKingofStingXx]

I see where you headed with your post, new consoles every 5 to 6 years and that may be the case for MS but i believe Nintendo and Sony are going to run for a little longer.

It's not a speed eating contest, it's a marathon.

Just look at the PS2, no competition and it still running!

[The Emperor]

I own both consoles, and I have to say the 360 just is clearly winning, I recently bought one (I've had it 2 weeks now) and I just love it. Playing with all my friends from baseball and out of town, the games on the 360 just are something in their own. You have to think of it like this, with a larger install base, Halo Wars (while I do LOVE this game, it still IMO isn't better than Killzone 2) even though Halo Wars outsold KZ2, and Kz2 I think worldwide only had roughly over a million units sold, while Halo Wars equaled that if not trumped the premiere flagship for the PS3.

My point is, is that MS is just doing a better job (right now) than Sony. I know the Playstation brand is built for a longer shelf life, but in this economy, the 360 has the HD gaming throne, until LIVE dies and the PS3 starts selling, then the PS3 won't live past 2012

[Omega4]

I dont see the PS3 ever passing the 360 in the US either, as long as the 360 can keep neck and neck with the PS3 in EU its guaranteed to beat the PS3 this gen

Since having JP really means nothing this gen since even the UK market has surpassed it and the UK is practically the same as the US for MS

[Mindboggle]

To be honest i dont think it matters who beats each other this gen...As each console has a huge fanbase and one will not steam roll the other...I expect both to be around equal sales in about 2 years or so..

[360 man]

@ murkerer

alot of those people who had the ps2 were casual gamers and now have the wii

im talkin bout those dance dance revolution and singstar players

[MURKERR]

many people who bought a wii are looking for a second console because as figures have proved recently wii is the least played console, many people are waiting for a ps3 price drop so the console victor is far from decided in any territory

sony were arrogant and felt a backlash you would have thought microsoft would have taken notes from that

[JasonPC360PS3Wii]

MURKERR there isn't 100 million people in the US waiting around to buy a PS3, the US only has 305 million people. Now for the pain... if the people that still play on the PS2/GC/Xbox are waiting to go next gen it's probably because they still can't afford it. (((DING DING DING))) thats where the 360 and Wii come in. The causal gamers go to the Wii and the core go to the 360. Guess where those gamers are coming from? thats right that "100 million" you say are still waiting.

Have a goodin :)

[mint royale]

The wii is the most played current gen console - Neilsen admitted they got their figures messed up. But you are correct with your point that many gamers still haven't updated.

Last gen:
PS2: 136 million
Xbox: 24 million
Gamecube: 21 million
Total: 181 million

This Gen:
Wii: 50 million
360: 29 million
ps3: 21 million
Total: 100 million

Not accounting for market expansion there are still around 80 million consumers who have not updated. Where will they go?

[Create]

Bad idea, especially with all these ps3 exclusives coming out. PS3 could easily take over with a price drop.

[360 man]

u do know killzone 2 came out not too long ago and nothing has changed

[poopsack]

killzone 2 is not a price drop 360 man, it is a game.

[Lucreto]

It depends really on the the price. I know a lot of people who are willing to get PS3s but the price is a minor problem. A price cut and we will see how the market has changed.

It is also worth noting that the PS3 price cut had a deeper effect on the market that the 360 one. Firstly it lasted a lot longer and sold more units overall.

[Stryfeno2]

If God of War 3 doesn't help the US PS3 numbers, then all is lost this gen.

Backwards Compatibility should have never been removed from the PS3...This is why some of my friends wont even touch a PS3 in the US.

[DavidMacDougall]

You must forget its not the 360, its got more than 1 good game coming out

[Stryfeno2]

People still rather buy a 360 even with 1 game coming. Look at the numbers.

[OmarJA]

Yeah isn't that a surprise that people prefer cheap products... :D

[Stryfeno2]

Well, Sony should of thought of that before releasing a higher price machine.

[Man_of_the_year]

maybe people can't afford expensive products that have features that they don't need or want. Like blu-ray if they don't have an HDTV or WiFi. Or maybe they can play great multiplates on a system that cost 1/3 the price and still have exclusive DLC for the games, Or maybe they want a unified online to play with their friends so they can chat with each other in private and party chats with the mics that come with the system, or maybe they just like that the 360 has more 80+ rated quality rated games on metacritic and like the much larger library the 360 has to offer since they are looking for a gaming console and not a blu-ray player.

[DavidMacDougall]

I have seen the numbers, oh look at that? A machine that costs almost double of the 360 is still selling millions and its getting better every week

[Man_of_the_year]

And is still in last with the sales of the 360 increasing the gap between 2nd and 3rd.

How the PS3 is getting better every week i don't see. Actually this is considered the slow times and the sales are showing it with every console.

[Obama]

yeah last in sales but first in games..I will take the ps3 thank you. The only reason ps3 isn't outselling the 360 is because of the price and the year lead the 360 has, and sales only concern 360 fanboys since they have no killer exclusive to anticipate in 09. (please don't give me crap exclusives like ninja blade and ninety-ninety 2)

[pshizle]

that can be said between the xbox1 and ps2

[Man_of_the_year]

Actually metacritic has the 360 with more 80+ rated games than the PS3 and 90+ rated games...so going by your rational, its actually the 360 with the games and not the PS3 but you're a blind sony faithful so what do you know about gaming?

[odisho68]

lol "gaming"?? by your rationale of "sales" before games...you are not a gamer and are obviously more interested in your console of choice selling than playing any games (I didn't know you were receiving monthly checks from Microsoft to support their broken console)

gamers don't care if their consoles are selling...they care if they have games to play and new ones coming out that's about it... sadly Microsoft has neither as of late

[Defectiv3_Detectiv3]

Personally, I don't think the 360's lead is all that solidified, considering its gonna be at least 2 yrs. b4 the next 360 comes out, and the PS3 is already putting up similar software #s and it only has 8mil consoles sold vs. 360s 16mil in America.

That's a pretty big deal when you think about it. The real money is in the software. Companies lose money on the hardware, especially MS now that they've dropped the price. If you can sell 1/2 the hardware but still put up competitive software numbers, that's a pretty good sign.

Not to mention that the PS3 has sold more in the same respectable timeframe. PS3 has been out 11/2 less than the 360. It has sold a few more million consoles than the 360 had at this point in its life.

Once the PS3 has a price drop alot more people are going to buy it, not to mention hardcore gamers are most likely to own both.

[FF7numbaone]

Saying you dont know need something before trying it in this case is moronic. Did you hold on to your vhs instead of going to dvds? Will you not upgrade to a hdtv?

Saying a company is giving you something you dont need just spits all over the term marketing. I guess you can say their doing a bad job of marketing for most.

[zag]

Maybe people don't want blu-ray or hdtvs or surround sound systems or wifi etc even though the pick up rate goes higher every year.

All the while telling everyone that a system worth $100 is the 1 to get even though it requires a net connection to make any use of the "features" aka online or movies or arcade games etc as these are all downloaded via the net.

I suppose a TV isn't really required, when deciding to buy a 360 I take it? after all maybe people don't want one.

[Zeus Lee]

True,much like the European and Japanese market,the US market has chosen the Wii.

[JokesOnYou]

All the markets for the most part have chosen the wii, however I personally believe micro will finish slightly ahead of sony in the >>US<<, because despite all the 360's reliability troubles that year head start will always be huge not only because of sales but because micro actually managed to generate alot of "buzz" for the xbox brand and grabbed a significant mindshare of being a great gaming platform...but again even that won't top the wii because the wii fanbase is looking for something totally different anyway.

JOY

[-MoOkS-]

The most important market in the world belongs to the xbox 360.

I hope you droids enjoy selling 20k ps3's in japan, while xbox 360 sells 500,000 a month in USA.
Europe is also 360 territory now. Just face it, ps3 is failing in the 2 biggest markets and getting crushed everywhere but japan.

Killfop 2 couldn't even help the ps3, it was the most hyped game in history, and failed to deliver good gameply.

Enjoy last place droids. LOL

[dustgavin]

It is funny that you spend so much time smearing one system. I mean...I can understand if you are at least just defending the system you like but you are acting ridiculous.

You probably have black and green war paint smeared on your face and giggle insanely every time you post one of these ignorant comments.

[OmarJA]

Wrong fool, it belongs to Nintendo... :D

What exactly helped the 360 beside a price cut & those faulty errors ?... :D

Keep bragging about sales bot while i'll enjoy tons of exclusives on my system... :D

B-b-b-b-but teh salez. :D

[-MoOkS-]

No, I just love it how ps3 fanboys brag about having good exclusives and saying 360 is a failure. Then the official statistics come out and the 360 demolishes the failstation. It's hilarious, killzone 2 was hyped beyond any game ever but look what happened, It barely sells 500k copies and has the stupidest mess of a multiplayer i've ever seen.

They way droids act, you'd think the ps3 was selling more than the Wii lol

[LeGenDx]

the wii destroys the 360
the wii outsells the 360 everyweek
the wii is a better console then the 360 even at a lower price
the 360 cant neven compete with the ps3 in japan
the wii has more games an better exclusive then the 360
the 360 has the most faulty system ever
35 % fail rate? really the wii has like 1%
complete garbage

kk im done

[OmarJA]

LOL! says the guy who pay to play online on P2P laggy servers with broken 5 vs 5 multiplayer game... :D

The funny thing is thst sony is failing as you are saying & yet they keep rolling out great services & exclusives... :D

The 3FixMe on the other hand is losing upcoming & old exclusives... :D

[-MoOkS-]

The Wii isnt a console, it's a toy.

Thats like saying Toyota cars are better than Lamboghini & Ferrari, just because toyota sells more.

[OmarJA]

Bubbles to LeGenDx... ;D

Ok my turn :

The PSP is destroying the 3FixMe
The PSP is outselling the 3FixMe every week
The PSP has better exclusives than the 3FixMe (Kindom Hearts, Parasite Eve, Rersistance, Final Fantasy)
The PSP has free online & store
The PSP has 1% percent of faulty errors
The PSP is a Sony product
The PSP has a web explorer
The PSP can be firmware customized to play home brews & PS1 games

Sony is marketing 3 successful consoles & making money & keep supporting them with great exclusives & services... :D

M$ is only focusing on one console & it's the most faulty broken console ever created with no worthy exclusives this year. :D

[Obama]

well the 360 is like Britney Spears: we all know she has no real talent, but she is still famous among the ignorant.

[odisho68]

to be honest all consoles are toys...do you not enjoy PLAYING GAMES (which is what gaming consoles are made for) or are you strictly up Microsoft's ass cuz they magically have sold more 360's than PS3's due to a 1 year head start and a $200 price difference between base models???

[-x.Red.x-]

no wonder you're president

[FF7numbaone]

had no idea the 360 was outselling the wii......

[ForROME]

I agree the US you can put a fork in for SONY at least for the next 2 years

Globally PS3 will beat out MS over all, however; MS success is based on how much they took from SONY not just the idea of 1st or 2nd place.

[VMAN_01]

I think a price drop will change this remember when they dropped the price at E3 07 they ended up outselling the 360 in its best year when it had heavy hitters like Halo 3, Mass Effect and Bioshock.

[ballsofsteel]

true but has a whole i can't think MS is pleased or happy in temrs of world wide sales. while they are in the lead the haven't been able to captilize much on the 360's year headstart or PS3 lackbuster launch. in 07 and 08 combined PS3 has outsold 360 world wide in which PS3 has been much more compared to the 360. If ps3 can get a price cut that throws 360 right back into the hotset. only time will tell

[Lucreto]

Reminds me of George Bush's "Mission Accomplished" statement.

[Pennywise]

LOL!!! Best comparison possible for this statement. I wish Sony would slap a $100 price cut on the PS3 as soon as they hear this comment.

[artgamer]

exactly

[solidjun5]

You beat me to it. In the end, all three did fine. However, I firmly believe that once a price cut is announced for the PS3 (like last year), you will see a ripple effect (like...last year). I know tons of people waiting for a cut. I'm surprised that it's selling well considering the number factor. Price.

[FF7numbaone]

100 pricedrop and u stil aight gonna buy it. Fanboys just got a list of excuses.

[joydestroy]

lol @ this article

whatever you say, M$ inc.

[asyouburn]

just because msoft is ahead in sales doesn't mean its superior console. im sure hannah montana sold more records than your favorite band, but does that mean her cd is better

[JeffGUNZ]

You don't run your business on being "superior", being "superior" doesn't pay the bills. SALES pay the bills. If sales are higher for one console, month after month, it is stating that the consumers believe the 360 is the most superior. Now, don't get me wrong, the PS3 technically has advanced hardware compared to the 360, but sales show what people prefer, and people prefer 360 over ps3, that's why people look at sales and take them serious.

[Unicron]

Hey MS, you wanna tell us more about how awesome you are? Or throw some other useless stat at us like how many times someone jumped in Gears of War 2? I'm sure everyone wants to know. I mean... psh, why bother talking about GAMES or announcing NEW titles? Naaaahhhh... just keep talking statistics and numbers, sadly enough it seems to placate most morons out there in La-La-Land.

[jsc249jobal]

there are two ways to look at this; they have won in the sense they have took the runaway success from the PS brand and with the next xbox(with good hardware) they have a serious chance of dominating...

[ThanatosDMC]

Well, they could win by defaulting early and then saying they won since they were ahead when they left.

"I quit my championship!"

That's what me and my bros say after owning each other in Tekken or some FPS game.

[Lucreto]

True on the first part but I think Sony's part at fault but it could be part of the strategy as well. Next gen assuming Sony will expand on there current technology and will be cheaper than this gen as dev will know the system and use the technology.

Sony is going no where and it took good advantage of the late movers strategy and make changes. Sony got lucky last gen but this gen is different. It is doing well and will contine to do so.

[jsc249jobal]

after three-four years, first one with no next gen competition, such a low price point and absolutely killing the original xbox (unlike sonys ps2) they should really be slaughtering the ps3.

[devilhunterx]

AMERICANS!! ITS TIME FOR A CHANGE!

'CHANGE WE CAN BELIEVE IN'

That is all.

[lloyd_wonder]

So, can you explain to me how the lead YOU first started with is the same lead you STILL have?

I'm sure any company would be happy just fending off or keeping Sony at bay successfully, and apparently Microsoft are.

[morganfell]

You are wrong. The lead MS had at the beginning of the Sony launch has been reduced. It has not stayed the same nor is that matter uniform across all territories.

[FF7numbaone]

Their not happy. Their satisied. No company wants to lose profits. If sony drops their price to soon Microsft will drop their price out of fear.

But the point is no company wants to drop their price. Look at nintendo and wii.

[AstroZombie1]

Man i'm glad i own both (PS3 + 360) i can just play and enjoy the games. :)

[Jockamo]

It's strange how the Microsoft can blanket a unified advertising theme across the United States, but in Europe they need several different ploys to appeal to different countries. Weird, you'd think that it wouldn't make that much of a difference now-a-days. Is there really that much of a cultural barrier between areas of Europe? --I mean, more than the United States? I've lived in Europe for few years in my life and I didn't really see that much difference between the kids in Spain and the kids in Austria.

I don't think a more focused advertising plot is the best answer over there...

[Lucreto]

All the differnet cultures can be tricky. Firstly they need to distance themselves from the name Microsoft and there is a hatred here on them. Monoploys never had an easy time with Europeans since the EU commission keep putting them in a bad light and sueing them. Well it is part MS fault taking advantage of its market power.

[DARK WITNESS]

you also have to consider all the different laws that govern advertising in all these different areas.

[Nexy]

MS "victory in the US is no big deal, actually. Europe is decisive these days. MS has been doing very well here so far, a lot better than in the previous gen. Both companies are really close here.

It's Europe that's the most important and interesting nowadays.

[OmarJA]

"Thats like saying Toyota cars are better than Lamboghini & Ferrari, just because toyota sells more."

What a hypocrite loser...

[Deadman64]

Do any of your friends have a Ferrari? Do any own a Toyota?

[Sibs]

Do cars play games?

Are games required to get to work every day?

Do cars cost under $500?

(I'm annoyed at Mooks, not you, just realized I posted in the wrong section)

[PopEmUp]

but the Ferrari doesn't broke down or have the 36% failure rates Lmao

[lowcarb]

Not sure what the end outcome will be, but MS has done a great job. What I find interesting is the fact that Sony fans look forward to 360 news more then 360 fans.

Edit: If you disagreed your one of them.

[divideby0]

I agree MS got market share they so desired by releasing knowningly faulty hardware, outright lying and misleading gamers "failure rates are within industry standards", hosing gamers for rip off hardware accessory prices and charging for Live.
I am on my 3rd 360, a day one charter Gold Live Member and just had enough with MS..
All the above are facts, and I aint a blind sheep since I own all the consoles on launch day and just dot my opinion

[lowcarb]

Well to be honest all three misled people. I do agree that the console rrod stuff is bad, but everything else that you mentioned is a choice for consumers. Nobody is forcing them or you to buy anything 360 related, so if anything you should blame yourself. Personally I simply love the games for 360, and like an idiot I stick with MS because I'm sure there next console will be made much better.

edit: you people need to stop worrying so much about 360 and just be glad that Sony, and MS are still bringing us great stuff.

[Chappy James]

I live for the day when the term "fanboy" can be eternally laid to rest!!! This has to be the most ill used term in gaming. If you disagree with a comment or with what someone in gaming has said you're a fanboy of the competition. How retarded is that?! Just because you CHOOSE to like one thing over another doesn't make you a freaking fanboy. I like Volvo SUV's. Does that make me a "fanboy" of Volvo? I have a Gateway CPU, am I "fanboy" of Gateway? I own a 360, so just because I may disagree with some people (my choice) I'm a fanboy. Anyone who calls anyone else a "fanboy" is a "fanboy" of what they themselves agree with or support. Opinions and discussions are healthy and productive, but MAN, GIVE IT A REST ALREADY!! Is Lewis being a little arrogant? Yeah, and... so what!! Let him!! Who cares!! I recall someone (now retired) from Sony a few years ago saying, "The next - gen doesn't start until we say so!" Nintendo proved everybody wrong!! I HOPE Sony finally does back up that comment. I'm a gamer since the Atari 2600, and would love to buy a PS3, but it hasn't appealed to me yet . I'M NOT A 360 FANBOY but I'm sure the comments are lining up to say I am. Why cant gamers disagree without being disagreeable? Oh well, always remember this, when you point the finger, 3 fingers are pointing right back at YOU! FANBOY!! (R.I.P.)

[asyouburn]

with no wi-fi, dvd-9 tech, no bluetooth, batteries in the freakin controller for chrissakes, i cant imagine any one being satisfied with the purchase. especially if you have hd tv. i really dont care id multiplats have better graphics on 360, id gladly trade a few in game textures for all the features i get on ps3.

[BIGBOSS08]

some people realy dont know what a price cut can do for the playstation 3 and some people have no idea just how much people want a ps3. xbox 360 hasnt even had any growth in the us year over year. microsoft are still on a hard on over their year head start. thats all.

[DJ]

But Microsoft says their 2nd place position is set? That's kind of early.

[Pennywise]

eeeediots!

[JasonPC360PS3Wii]

Here ya go Playstation 3 :) wear it with pride.

[trancefreak]

lol

[commodore64]

no, no, no.
It's much simpler than that.

Here ya go, PS3, you've earned it!

[dustgavin]

The 360 owners unfortunately do not get a medal. It had to be returned for defects.

[II Necroplasm II]

.

[tonywood24]

As a PS3 fan, I am proud of the fact that I am non-biased, when it comes to educated video game analysis. With this being said, I think someone should get in the ear of Chris Lewis. This type of reckless "taunting" and "Were Number One" bragging not only places extra pressure on the X360 gaming department/developers, but could make you look stupid. (Late game heroics has devastated many franchises!)

X360 has made a name for itself in the States, selling VERY WELL behind enemy lines...in Sony Playstation neighborhoods, all across America. Now, the numbers are no were near the legendary dominance of the Sony Playstation 2, and there is still households to be taken. By premature trash talking, Mr. Lewis could turn off fans, or get hit with system RROD, THIS LATE IN THE X360 CYCLE. yea, X360 is giving it to the PS3 right now, although I am certain that the economy will get better, the PS3 will come down in cost, and it's insane PS3 library will push them ahead of their competition. NOTE, MS will have a "New" system out within the next 2 years....leaving Sony to deal with 2 Xbox products. (Just like Sony's PS2 having to deal with the Gamecube, Wii, and both the 1st Xbox and beginning of the X360.)

[Sitdown]

Seriously, what are you smoking? If that is how you determine a winner.....then there are a lot of people/companies who have been labeled winners unfairly.

@infamousXX87XX
Umm, seriously...ask yourself this, would the ps3 outsell the 360 if Microsoft was on its third console and had gained the user base that Sony did over the life of the PlayStation brand? See the problem with these what-if scenarios is that they go both ways....how about we not do what-ifs, and focus on what is before us...because right now, its reality.

[Chuk_Chuk]

This place is full of laughs. Mooks and jason 360 keep posting. your stupidity amuses me

[Sir Ken_Kutaragi]

;)

[Bladestar]

Price drop got nothing to do with it.

I think this has more to do with Marketing and competition.

During the previous generation Sony didn't even have to do much marketing because they had the developers, the games and the hardware... they practically had no competition.

Sony has not improved their marketing strategies and but things are different now.

I mean you can love Sony as much as many of you do... but even you can admit that Sony is the worst of the three when it comes to pushing their titles.

I mean.. look at how they just let Kill Zone 2, LBP, Resistance 2, etc fall flat on their faces in terms of marketing... if they were Microsoft IPs launch parties were happened... underwears would be made about these games... CNN would be talking about it...

And things are worst when it comes to the US... Sony simply does not know how to connect with the US market as far as marketing is concern.

Sony simply expects people to just buy their products because they are Sony... we can talk about quality all you want.. but the fact is that it has no effect in many regions of the world specially in the US.

The mainstream would rather pay less for a faulty product with good insurance (Note I never had RROD with any of my xbox 360 and had to buy a 3rd PS2 and 2 PS1.. not the best experience with Sony products) than to pay more for a more durable product with less insurance. Why do you think Hyundai is selling so well while many other car companies are going down?

Not to mention why do people buy at wallmart (inferior Chinese products) instead of buying better American or other quality made products.

blade what the *^@#&%@#! are you saying the xbox 360 hardware sucks? Nope... anyone that knows a thing or two about computers and hardware knows that both PS3 and xbox 360 use hardware made by the same manufactures.. which are not known to be cheap manufacturers. IBM, NVidia, ATI, etc... most hardware makers use the same manufacturers... so quality of the hardware is practically the same. CPU, GPU, Memory and most internal components are not made by any of the console makers but by big chip makers..and many of them are the same.

I think the xbox 360 issue was related to design not quality of the hardware... most xbox 360 issues are related to heat.. GPU... these are design problems that failed to dissipate heat.

People speak of price drop for the PS3... but this would solve nothing.. instead it might make things words.

The PS3 is priced cheaper than what the xbox 360 elite... the elite is price same as the PS3... and there are some people that would buy an elite instead of a PS3 even without blu-ray.

We all hear about how expensive the hard drive on the xbox 360 is.. so, how an xbox 360 cost more to make than a PS3? It's obvious that no company want to take loses on hardware at this point in time... with the recession...

A PS3 price drop will obviously trigger an xbox 360 price drop. How can a PS3 with blu-ray and the cell... cost $299-$350 and the xbox 360 cost $400? does that even make sense?

If Sony drops the price of the PS3 MIcrosoft will counter with another price drop that will make things worst.

imagine how the following things would affect the PS3:

PS3: $349.99

Xbox arcade: $149.99
Xbox Premium: $299.99
Xbox elite: $349.99

It can make things worst for Sony...

[odisho68]

definitely agreed...

you made a good argument, and it is true that the cheaper console will sell, but I'm pretty sure if the 360 drops to $150 the wii would make its own push and drop to the same price (I believe the Wii is a lot cheaper to make) and the 360 may actually lose some money doing that (Microsoft doesn't like that strategy) and the wii will still be getting sold out everywhere and at the same time they will be making profit...

The PS3 on the other hand has lost this gen (if you look at sales), but gaming-wise the PS3 is most likely going to win this gen...I mean i've had a lot more fun with my PS3 than I had with my 360...and the PS3's lineup just seems to be getting better while the 360's lineup is staying silent

To be honest...I think the thing that's hurting the PS3's sales the most is not the high price tag...it's the PS2...if Sony cuts ties with the PS2 and drops the price of the PS3 to $300 and add backwards compatibility via a firmware update then the tide will truly turn

People looking to buy a Playstation will get a PS3 knowing they can play their PS2 games on it (which has by far the best library of games in gaming history), get free online, and have blu-ray and a true next gen experience with a console that keeps on improving...

Hopefully all 3 consoles continue to sell well...gaming will continue to get better and will be allowed to strive only if competition is still in existence..

AHHH CAN'T WAIT TO SEE WHAT E3 HAS IN STORE FOR ALL 3

[JasonPC360PS3Wii]

Yeah agree if the MS drops the price of the 360 it will be bad for Sony. Also I'm sure Nintendo will counter with a drop of thier own which may hurt the Wii since they have a hard enough time keeping them in stock.

[Information Minister]

What did you expect them to say?

"Our sales are stagnant in face of much more expensive competition and our hardware breaks down more frequently than Britney Spears"?

I don't see that happening any time soon.

[ForROME]

True but...
I agree the US you can put a fork in for SONY at least for the next 2 years

Globally PS3 will beat out MS over all, however; MS success is based on how much they took from SONY not just the idea of 1st or 2nd place.

[ShabzS]

but i dont want to get into this .. i'm just hoping for some good e3 surprises from ms's side... coz sony is already bringing its big guns to the table

[Frnicatr]

Hmm.. I was just wondering.

How many of those sale numbers of 140 million are second, third and fourth consoles.
I know I've purchased 4 and I'm sure many have as well.

DRE = RROD

How about you guys? :D

[ultimolu]

Oh dear. Microsoft's losing it.

[Gun_Senshi]

The World not only US chosen...

Wii!

[EasilyTheBest]

Its pointless though....
If Sony did drop their price they will be losing more money on each PS3 sold...
Microsoft will then drop their price, so theres still a similar gap in their prices between them and Sony.
Microsoft are not losing as much money per console sold as Sony so Sony would be in an even worse position than they are now...
Its great, ppl on here say MS had a year head start!! Well thats the whole point AINT IT!!! They have Sony over a barrel.
Its called being clever....
Well DONE Nintendo by the way...

[Gr81]

M$ runs their mouth as if they are the marketleader in any region across the globe, when in fact they are not. Wii is whooping both HD platforms month in and month out.

[Coolrah]

but being stupid as you rushed out a phailure peice of equipment. And yes it is a hardware problem as the fans can't withstand the amount of heat generated by the GPU and other peices of hardware so spin it all you like....it is a hardware malfunction..And you xbots can say ps3 is in last all you want but the fact of the matter is I have more exclusive games over 80 on metacritic than your 3fixme and I have a ton of games I am gonna be playing this year and the next...What does xbox have....A halo addon and some DLC pfft....We'll see who is playing there console longer...oh don't play your 3fixme for too long or it will RROD=E74....

[Blakzhuk]

It's all about price guys. Yep. Everyone here knows how the 360 is more expensive than the PS3. We've heard it for about 2yrs now.

Oh wait!

[DARK WITNESS]

i know...lol

but you know whats really funny, people talking about M$ holding ground because of its price drop, as if the ps3 has not already had a price drop.

[dash--]

These guys over at M$ got a lot balls saying this, the only reason they are barely outselling the PS3 is because of a price drop. 360 fans know this because last year the 360 was getting its a$$ handed to them before price drop. When the PS3 drops the price it will be a different story.

[xg-ei8ht]

Insert guestimate sales here:

wii - 49million
360 - 29million
ps3 - 21million.

One two of them are fake. Can you guess what ones.

Yep 360.

Is really at 27million.

and yes right again.

PS3.

Is really at 23million.

[pshizle]

fantasy land there buddy =0

[JasonPC360PS3Wii]

You are the reason people shouldn't take drugs... crack is bad. Unless your crazy and live in a basement with conspiracy poasters on your wall about area 51 and the assassination JFK by aliens at area 51.

[koehler83]

Hear that stupid consumer? Put that worthless brain away. Your Lord Microsoft has made your decisions for you.

[ipe]

first as i can see 360 sells 10-50k more than ps3,in na.
in europe ps3 sells better in every single country so sometimes i just cant get why some people say 360 leads in eu.Last time i checked ps3 had more consoles in eu.
@omega,can u please answer how is uk bigger market than japan??
first in japan lives 130mil.potential costumers and in uk 60mil.Second every month i see ridicilous sales for all consoles(except 360)in japan while in uk overall sales are smaller.So where s ur point???

[360Hater]

Frankly I got to play a ton of great games thus far... My 360 sits there doing nothing... Great Gears AGAIN... Only so many times you can play that game...

Keep you stupid #'s coming microsoft because thats all you have.. Going to play Little Big PLanet, Killzone or one of my other "horrible" games...

360 = tards

[Narutone66]

the exclusive to xbox 360 Soulja boy game.

[Jaces]

M$ said it, so it must be true!

Nice, lmfao.

[Obama]

I heard the most popular game on the 360 right now is Sales Master Chief, is this game any good?

[JasonPC360PS3Wii]

I have to give you cred for sticking your nuts out to get kicked everyday. You must like the pain, stick em out ---> (((CRACK))) You like that?

[videogamefreak]

i mean look at how much attention it gets from the sony fans. i hope i never get as defensive as most on here over a damn console.

[Socomer 1979]

I love how xbots think sales make ps3 gamers feel bad!
LOL!

Look how arrogantly stupid they are! LOL!

Oh man this is too funny!

Okay let's ignore the wii.
ignore the xbox360 headstart.
ignore a 1/3 failure rate.
ignore having no games.

Let's just all focus on the ps3. LOL!
You must really hate how Sony is mesmerizing you & dangling
games over your face. So you think reminding everyone that ps3 is third & xbox360 is only second place which means first loser. How does it feel to ignore your denial about wanting a ps3? Looks like your lifes work. I'm gonna bone all your wives & girlfriends since they must have about as much respect for you as I do.

[Bladestar]

lol!

You know what hurts Sony leg humpers the most?

Sony leg humpers say:

* Xbox 360 has no blu-ray.
* xbox 360 Sucks in terms of graphics.
* xbox 360 has no games.
* xbox 360 has 90% failure rate.

and yet... the PS3 is still on 3rd... people rather buy an xbox 360 instead... and month after month this is proven by NPD and other sources.

I mean... imagine if microsoft just for the heck of it.. release 1 game!!!! specially since the xbox 360 can't be use for anything else.. just like the PS3 can be used for movie.

I mean..

Kill Zone 2 BAM!
LBP BAM!
Resistance 2 BAM!
and other millions of PS3 games BAM!

but the xbox 360 has 0 games.

and yet people favor the xbox 360.. .I mean what can sony do to get people to want a PS3!?

Cross your fingers Sony leg humpers... forbid microsoft makes 1 game for the game-less xbox 360 platform.

[Socomer 1979]

Its a dam shame. The xbutts have tossed videogames into the wind.
Its even funnier that they come to a videogames news site when they should really be at the wall street journals website.

Its so pathetic and I do not feel sorry for them at all.
I would be pissed too if I were going to the back catalogs of xbox360's games from 2 years ago and my disc tray was acting up.

its ghay & these xbutts just dig a deeper hole for themselves because while im playing InFamous these crybabies will be watching the sales charts so they can pretend that it hurts my feelings that infamous sold 50,000 copies and too human sold more on day 1.
LOL !

I love what we turned them into.
i love what microsoft has done to them.
I love how much they spend on extras and the full xbox360 experience.
i love when they get RROD at 2:00 AM
I love that some of them are trying to do a fireball on streetfighter with that controller.

Oh and bladestar, I think thae american people have spoken. For the price of xbox360 americans would rather get a wii or a ps3. the only people buying a xbox360 are poor people like you who need a quicker replacement.

[anaviel]

I have to agree sadly with alot of the angry sony fanboys that stating the U.S. is tied down by the 360 is unintelligent. Its just taunting and bait grabbing. Premature victory dance when the ref could call a foul and take away that touchdown. But sony fans don't get it twisted now.....you guys are the Kings of premature victory dances. How can we forget the rants of "when the PS3 comes out it will kill the 360", "the PS3 will dominate the gaming world", The 360 won't sell at all and the games will be crap and no one will play them, "This is the year of the PS3 dominance 2007-present day", ____(fill in the blank) game will be a console seller and prepell the PS3 to the head of the class" YADDA YADDA YADDA!!!

It's all crap-tabulous!!!! Just take it as a grain of salt....and enjoy your games.

[pshizle]

and it failed to move consoles...unlike mgs4.

so we all have to wait and see if god of war3 moves them because thats a while from now.

its safe to say xbox360 has secured 2nd place.

sony boys will say: oh wait for the ps3 price drop...when that happens expect microsoft to counter that with a price drop also.

can you imagine
Arcade: $150
Premium: $250
Elite: $350

[FF7numbaone]

yes the same retards that got rrod before buys another 1. "friggin roomate has 3 xbox 360 just to play gta4 every once in awhile."

[Bumpmapping]

M$ if you truly believe that the US market is decided then by all means think that way.I personally believe there talking out their asses in fear of Sony's 2009 lineup....top that with sales number doing really good on PS, neck to neck most of the year.If sony does a 100$ price cut what is M$ gonna counter with? far as I am concerned they have played there cards too quick,they are focusing on EU because they did as much as they could in US.

[Droid Control]

People don't want to pay that kind of money in a recession. But sony can't cut the price, to do so would be like cutting their own neck.

And if they did, M$ would just cut the 360 again, so where would it get them???

No, sony are destinied to be in last place this generation. first to last in a few years...

[Bumpmapping]

lol yeah buddy sure that's why M$ is in second like last gen. M$ are destined never to win a console war ;)

[SonySoldierEternaL]

LMAO

so true!

[Socomer 1979]

Psp has been last too for years.
ps2 was last too.
How ?

Its the longest living console. its a playstation. its guaranteed to be on the market until its the last one left.

sony cant help you buy a ps3. you need to help yourself.
the anger that lies within is that you know you can just trade that xbox360 and upgrade your gaming to a advanced level. you want voice chat we have text chat. its a fair sacrifice when you arent doing sh!T with that old 360. youve been playing the same game for 2 years.
the sequels to your exclusive dont leap improvements. in fact, you end up paying for less. single player dlc for gears ? thats a joke and you fell for it.

dont be like bladestar. that is how low you can go as a person.
he isnt even a gamer. Talking sales in a videogames site in his hobby and he doesnt even enjoy that. do you want to be like bladestar?
Go and count something and pretend it matters right now. You will be at the npd site refreshing the page for 72 hours straight and on the phone with max at xboxsupport.

[JasonPC360PS3Wii]

How many active accounts do you have nasim? I mean ^^^ and vvv hell your all over the place.

[Nergardless]

in this console war and the only thing that could stop that would be if the ps3 is taking the lead(why cause ms wont have nothing more to talk about) in the US(where most fanboys are from)but then again i think it's living on so long now i cant imagine that this will ever stop
i dont own a 360, dont need a 360, wont buy a 360 (although it was close when it launched) but most important is i dont hate the 360
the only thing i hate are fanboys and MS for bringing this rankthing up wonder if ya guys was talking bout sells that much last gen
or why are these numbers so important to you seems like u guys learned how to count,hah? and this the new hobby which is much more interesting then playing games,hah??

Ps wonder if i will get a nobelprice for finding and analysing the most stupid folk in the world Fanboys

[DARK WITNESS]

" wonder if ya guys was talking bout sells that much last gen " na, because last gen all the ps2 fans were talking about sales...

All the xbox fans were talking about hardware superiority, all the ps2 fans were saying graphics don't matter. oh, i see a pattern here, do you ?

[ironmonkey]

i also imagined 360 to lead ps3 by 20m ahead but is it? even with price drop, so really there's no point to say imagine, the console is already dirt cheap and its still selling at a low. ps3 is 200$ more shouldnt it be selling less cause its more expensive explain that? but then again globally it sells more and its selling very well in u.s territory and thats 360 home. it also didnt take 3 yrs to hit 1 mil like 360 did recently in japan. when 360 is ahead by 50-60mil units sold then ill say its secured 2nd place but as of now its not even close

[Neo604]

Sony is in profit zone.
the pleasefixme tech is getting out of date, look like 2 more years life span.

[GiantEnemyCrab]

Erm, I would not be popping any champagne corks just yet MS.

You better have an exclusive line-up that matches with the PS3 to back up that claim.

[Unicron]

Smartest post all thread.

It's upsetting that "gamers" rally behind sales data more than games these days. Pathetic really.

[TheDeadMetalhead]

Who is this guy and why is he using Crab's account?

[Sonyfanclubpresident]

They're dumb as a stump.

[Thoreau]

they are getting foolish, if they think the U.S. has reached market saturation, they are idiots. i have a hard time believing they actually have 28 million 360 circulating around the world. i bought a launch 360(never had rrod) and traded it in for an hdmi enable 360(1 rrod). xbl=heavens boxer. That is 2, 360s sold. maybe they are running out of steam. Alan Wake and Halo is not enough. i smell the 720 around the bend.

[Thoreau]

what in the hell are you 360 only owners playing, old azz CODwaw or halo 3?????????? you guys are not bored by those games yet? i get bored with KZ2 and i put in MGO. if i get bored with MGO i throw in CODwaw. what games are 360 only owners playing? disagree all you want with me, but the fact remains if something drops for the 360, i can play it on my 360. i have my consoles side by side(ps3, xbox360)
and i question why in the hell do you pay to play on p2p servers? why keep fixing a system that breaks all the d@mn time? when 360 owners are defending a flawed product, you should realize that you are not your 360, but a single individual. if your paychecks keep you from buying a ps3, i understand, i worked a second job for my ps3. stop attaching your identity to that broke azz 360 sh!t.

[Thoreau]

you are a typical broke teenager.............

[EVILDEAD360]

So let me get this straight

The Microsoft statement simply said that they've done pretty good marketing in America and need to not only focus on EU, but change their strategies to match the different territories

And the reaction is PURE CHAOS..OMG how dare Microsoft say those horrible things

So to make it completely clear

If Microsoft speaks about Sony directly..all hell breaks loose, people are calling for the burning of 360s

IF Microsoft talks about what MICROSOFT needs to do in the future to build the 360 install base..all hell still breaks loose.

On subject, they are probably right..Europe is where they have the most wiggle room to build sales of the hardware. Although the gaming media hypes how Sony has led Japan, it's clear that the 360 has bested Sony in hardware sales for the last 6 months by a wider margin.

The ironic part of some the comments that resulted from this article; is that many many PS3 fans criticize Sony for it's marketing of the PS# and it's games, in comparison to the 360. But when Microsoft acknoledges that they have done a pretty good job..then they are in the wrong.

[-EvoAnubis-]

Sounds like they're just trying to make a preemptive excuse why they aren't going to have sh!t at E3.

[Sonyfanclubpresident]

that's all.
360 has so many games I still haven't bought yet,and it has better multiplats and the kind of titles I like......lots of em.
This little drought is giving me time to catch on up my 360 software library,
and I don't think a PS3 is worth the price for just a handful of decent games,so you can suck me sideways dork.

[infekt]

Wow. those that cant afford, can't enjoy it! Lol.

[-x.Red.x-]

YET ps3 is getting outsell by a mere 10K

WTF? double the price? and online sucks? and games not selling 10000mill plus?

there's a reason why the ps3 is selling and is slightly behind the xbox in USA (WTF micro land?)

[xg-ei8ht]

pshizle - 5 hours ago
Jason 360 - 3 hours

Probably the same person.

You really believe the 360 has sold 29million consoles.

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Damm that was fun.

Who's next. Ah yes bladestar, the guy who can't make up his mind, yesterday the 360 was sh^t, now the ps3 is sh^t.

To answer your question, what are sony going to do to sell consoles, err, they are selling them. Wii is dying in Japan. 360 has stagnated in USA. PS3 is Winning europe, FACT. 360 is dead in japan.

Message to SONY: Don't rush anything, take your time. Because time is what you got plenty of, Just keep releasing the Next Set of AAA titles for me to play.

Keep the free online.
Keep Pushing the graphics in games, the way only sony 1st party can, 360 is no match for graphics. Thnx for the blu-ray. Thnx for the wifi.

If you want to drop the price, indeed do so, in Japan first then USA. While releasing FF:)

[JasonPC360PS3Wii]

^^^ Nasim again... dude do you sleep?

[Thoreau]

"This little drought is giving me time to catch on up my 360 software library, and I don't think a PS3 is worth the price for just a handful of decent games,so you can suck me sideways dork, sonyfanclubpres."

i do need a blu ray player to go with my sony 50" HD television. it is good that you know the 360 is in a drought because the only game i am wanting for on the 360 is alan wake. while i wait for wake i will be playing

infamous, persona 4(ps2), fallout3(360 version) sf4(ps3)
killzone 2 and MGO.

your typical bias hate is one of someone who does not own a ps3 so your statements are common. i am not a homosexual so i will not be sucking anyone sideways, but thanks for the offer.

[Captain Tuttle]

I think the 360 crushed the PS3 in this months NPD's...MS is talking some serious smack (I agree with them though). Tomorrow should be fun.

[Too_Hyped]

No they didn't. Look at VG. PS3 and 360 sold roughly the same this month, quite an achievement for Sony considering PS3 is twice as expansive and we're in the worst recession ever.

[Captain Tuttle]

Does "VG" = VGChartz? No thanks, I'll wait for the official numbers.

[MiztaToungueTwista]

patch station u suck

[cmrbe]

wii + x360 + PS3 NA sales < PS2 NA Sales = MS = Dumb.

[Bluejet]

wii is the number one console in north america europe and japan. with the 360 again taking second place just like last gen. nice try microsoft but you haven't won anything. better luck next time.

[TheDeadMetalhead]

the 360 is going to outsell the PS3 in the US. And even if it did, what about Europe and Japan? Japan is where Microsoft should be working on selling consoles.

Also, here's a marketing strategy for you; MAKE SOME DAMN GAMES. :3

[Thoreau]

that is cool, i enjoy those ignorant disagreers.

i'll post it again. this is for the following sheep=

bladestar
patchstation
sonyfanclubpresident
jason360
the mart
droid smasha
any one with droid in their name

i question why in the hell do you pay to play on p2p servers? why keep fixing a system that breaks all the d@mn time? when 360 owners are defending a flawed product, you should realize that you are not your 360, but a single individual. if your paychecks keep you from buying a ps3, i understand, i worked a second job for my ps3. stop attaching your identity to that broke azz 360 sh!t.

you can disagree all you want, but truth is truth.-------what, you called me a sony fanboy?----xbl=heavens boxer
i bought my 360 at launch and still have it. i just also own a ps3=======psn southpaw79

i defy the haters with rational thought. free your minds

[Narutone66]

Soulja Boy. That's why it's their most anticipated game for their console.

[CobraKai]

I think Microsoft just prematurely ejaculated.

[specialguest]

funny comment.

[Oz_The_Ripper]

Killzone 2's gameplay sucked? You my friend have never played it. Maybe the best shooter out at this moment. All you stupid xbox360 fan boys owned a ps2 so you can all stfu. You just sad about how you can't afford the ps3 system, boohoo. You guys are so stupid, in the next year there will be no point of owning a xbox360, the first time i had my red rings of death i did the towel trick turned it in over at gamestop and bought a ps3 on the %$^#ing spot. Ive been happy ever since. And come on, the xbox 360 had a YEAR ahead of the ps3. I bet you if they came out at the same time Ps3 wuld of sold SO MUCH better because it has the publicity and blu-ray player. Once this price cut comes in Microsoft will probably just stop, just like they did with the xbox because it was a failure. Thank you

[Odin777]

Whether or not the PS3 wins or loses this "battle" is irrelevant to me, just as long as it keeps making good games.

[Oz_The_Ripper]

God these people are so stupid the xbox console had a whole year ahead of the ps3 console. Of course its gonna have a lead you jack ass. But the real question is which will last the longest. And i think we all know the answer. thank you ery much for your time

[specialguest]

Honestly, I think PS3 will come to a close 3rd in the US and that's if the PS3 gets a price cut. Of course I can't predict the future though.

[FF7numbaone]

Ok MS, Just dont pull a xbox on us. Will you continue to support the xbox 360 after you release the next xbox?

[CobraKai]

I don't think you have to worry. I recall the reason for killing the original xbox early was because the production of the hard drive was killing them financially. Xbox 360 has a removeably hard drive so I think they have learned their lesson.

[infekt]

Keep dreaming little children.

[Sonyfanclubpresident]

you are a complete Sony idiot on N4g(a site probably financed by Sony).

I highly doubt you own a 360 .....ok.

look at your bubbles you buffoon.
IT'S nice being on a site with a multiple accounts to bubble yourself up and a ton of fellow Gaystation 3 freaks to back you up there pal.

You enjoy your little PS3 victory in here on N4G while I enjoy the 360
victory in hardware sales,software sales,and better multi plat games over the PS3 in the real world.........understand...... .good.

[Bumpmapping]

Your probaly some fat 30 year old loser who's never been laid f*cking geek gtfo of here lmao

[Coolrah]

When the last big multiplats have sold more on the ps3....and are fairly even and up for interpretation and based on opinion of which looks better....RE4....SF4....ect... .only multiplats that are better are pointless ones that no one cares about....

[deividpaulo]

The xplode360 just won in US thanks to the pathetic American Patriotism...ignorant people.
the xplode360 is already dead in Japan...FACT.
Nobody wins the console wars without conquer the Japan market...FACT
xplode360 is just a old-gen console...totally archaic (with AA batery in the joystick, many DVDs.aheuaehaueh)

[SprayandPreycom]

the amount of consoles sold means nothing
the amount of games sold means nothing

so when exactly does something mean something

[Jdoki]

Something means something when someone wants to prove their own point!!

Otherwise all somethings mean nothing :)

:)

[Jdoki]

Of course MS will beat Sony this generation...

As soon as Sony get within a few units of overtaking the 360, MS will simply launch their next console and call an end to the 360 vs PS3 game!

In all likelihood we'll see about 7-8 years from the 360 and 10+ from the PS3. So chances are the PS3 will beat the 360 over lifetime - so just as MS got a 1 year hard start, Sony may have a 2+ year tail end.

[otherZinc]

I fully expect this comment to be deleted because its the truth.

SONY is getting killed by M$: Killzone 2 is selling neck & neck with a RTS game, if GOD of War 3 is released this fall or winter it will get killed by Halo 3:ODST & M$ will win another holiday season.

SONY selling their machine for $600, $500, & $400, was Foolish on their part, M$ didn't set those ridiculous prices, SONY did. M$ wasn't the company that said "Next Gen doesn't start until we say so" M$ wasn't the company that said "Get a second job to buy a PS3" nor did M$ say they will sell the PS3 without any games"!

And, SONY isn't making a profit off the PS3!

Also, PS3's so-called great line-up is HUGELY OVERRATED! if it were not overrated games would have big sales like Halo 3, Gears 2, Left 4 Dead, Fable 2, & others, LBP, Killzone 2, MotorStorm, Uncharted, Resistance, Heavenly Sword, Lair, never reached the success of those games for the 360. Not 1 PS3 game lead a single month.

You guys can close your eyes along with N4G, in continuing to think SONY has a bunch of great titles, because they don't: if they did they would sell much more games than they have.

There are a bunch of podcasts, sites, & media that make several excuses for the PS3's failed success, the result is, their games & PS3 isn't selling the way a so-called great product should.

[Anon1974]

You certainly have your opinion but it doesn't appear to be backed up by fact. We know the PS3 is selling faster than the 360 ever did, despite the higher price point so consumers are certainly picking up the product. People obviously want the PS3, otherwise it wouldn't have moved 17 million consoles in it's first 2 years (the 360 did 13 million in it's first 2 years).

Secondly, you say that PS3 titles aren't selling but that certainly isn't backed up when the financial statements come out. Have a look at Take Two's revenue for fiscal 2008. Even though the 360 moved 1 million more copies of GTA4, revenue between the consoles shows 39% of Take Two's revenue comes from the 360, 34% from the PS3. So despite the 360's supposed 30% lead in installed units it doesn't necessarily translate to more revenue for software companies. EA and Ubisoft show the same trends.

The difference that you can't seem to grasp is that PS3 games sell gradually over time. PS3 owners don't camp out or lineup for midnight launches. Everyone didn't rush out and buy LBP on the first day but it's happily over 2 million copies sold now (and it's a platformer, for the love of god). Motorstorm is another game that didn't even make a ripple in the waters at first and is now at about 3.5 million copies. Just because Sony games don't do Gears and Halo numbers doesn't mean that they aren't selling, or that they don't bring in money for developers. We know they do.

And as for Sony not making a profit on the PS3? Actually, it's pretty much widely assumed that they're break even now. How about the 360 with that price cut? Last I checked it cost about $200 to make a 360, not including accessories, packaging, shipping, etc. Perhaps that explains why MS games saw $225 million in profits disappear during the holiday quarter despite increased revenue and increased sales vs the year before. Without XBL fees they wouldn't be making a dime.