Today's Zaman: The Bilkent University Nanotechnology Research Center (NANOTAM) has developed a new technology that enables DVDs to store more than a thousand times as much data as those currently on the market.
teh blu rayz disc haz teh 50gigz capacitee'z !!!111!1!one!11!!! LOL Yet another piece of evidence that prove's blu ray is unnessecary. If only $ony realised this instead of being greedy. They sacrificed 1st place in the console market, for a stupid disc. They only used the ps3 as a tool to dominate the HD disc era....they don't care about the gamers, or they would have made the console accessable to the masses and kept exclusive franchises.
Haha. The fact that this tech is 3 yrs too late doesn't spring to mind does it? EDIT: The kind of advantages 360 only owning "gamers" are unable to see. Sorry.
What noticable advantages has blu ray contributed to gaming???
good for you.. you didn't notice anything. as they say, ignorance is a bliss.
There's no way this will be applied to gaming anyways. According to the article they said your "standard" DVD has a maximum capacity of 50-100GB's So 1000x that would be 50-100TB's! First of all, your standard DVD's hold 4.7GB worth of information, not somewhere between 50 and 100 GB's. This is all just a scam to get people riled up. edit: One last thing, the in last line of the article it says the center is 250 square meters!! That's almost 2,700 square feet!! No way this is real
Then you should say the same to Micro$hift when they were backing up the HD-DVD... This is what they get for pushing more crap into the market, Failure, RRoD, etc.
Tales of Vesperia would like to say hi. Double the amount of voice acting in the PS3 version with extra characters and scenes. There is your contribution.
Microsoft didn't force HD DVD on us like $ony FORCED blu-ray on every ps3 owner. The ps3 wouldnt be in the mess it is today if greedy $ony didnt force a built in blu-ray drive on us.
Damn you Sony! Damn you forcing the winning HD disc format down my throat! The Dark Knight is awful! Planet Earth sucks! I need SD Netflix streaming! EDIT: "They could have easily added that content on the 360 version." That's why they did, right? Also Tales was a flop...on the 360. Watch the PS3 sales puppet.
They could have easily added that content on the 360 version. The only reason it has more content on the ps3 is because they want to make ps3 owners buy it....it was a flop btw Sooo.....I'll ask again. What noticable advantages has blu ray contributed to gaming??? EDIT: LOL so true soda. EDIT AGAIN: Lucerto, don't you know what content means? that includes the voice stuff. HAHAHA mandatory installs is the only thing blu-flop has contributed, because it has such poor data reading speeds ROFL.
"What noticable advantages has blu ray contributed to gaming?" Mandatory installs ;)
It did well for being on the wrong machine. I laughted that you didn't mention the extra voice acting the 360 didn't have. That is more important than the extra characters and scenes. There I say again is blu-rays contribution. There is nothing wrong with mandatory installs. If it improves the game all the better. It idea was so good MS has given you the choice on the 360.
Mooks is a sad panda who can't afford a true next gen system. So solly
you do know that to be able to play this disk you would need soemthing that would cost 3 times as much as a bluray player and im being generous I feel bad for Mooks because he typed before he thought, it happeneds to the best of us, now he has to deal with defending himself with useless info
RAGE negates all your arguments MoOks. DVD for the win right?!?! xD http://www.videogamer.com/n... Oh Sony doesn't care about games?! I know I'll be enjoying my PS3 this year. Infamous Uncharted 2 Tales of Vesperia WITH EXTRAS thanks to Blu-Ray. Ninja Gaiden Sigma 2 WITH EXTRAS thanks to Blu-ray.
the beauty that is Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of The Patiots - 50GB Killzone 2 - 25GB most PS3 exclusive games surpass DVD9's capacity, that's a fact. Also, Street Fighter 4's bonus movie was a standard definition DVD for you poor xbots. You also got a faulty D-Pad. HAHAHAHA Microsoft asked you to bend over and you complied so easily!
I came to this story hoping an xbox fanboy would say just that! LOL really, think for one moment! Blu-ray DVD's. Blu-ray is a type of DVD first of all (could this be a new type of blu-ray?). And besides, this would make a game console cost about $$$100000000000000000000000000 dollars... Oh BTW every body!!! This random xbox fanboy joined the site two years ago. That explanes a whole lot. He is just using the insults he used to be able to use. That comment about slow blu-ray tipped me off that he must be in the past. Even if you don't like the PS3 you have to admit that PS3 load times aren't bad.
dumb bots, the 360 will be using dvd-9 in its lifetime. Mark my words.
@^^^ osama Doesnt matter if 360 uses dvd9 in its lifetime. We get 95% better MP games, better online features, same content in 99% of MP games, almost same level of graphics in exclusives so what's the harm? Not to mention we can stream HD movies through our pcs, and also watch movies through netflix.
Interesting, I hope its not like that one guy who said he found a way to store trilobytes of data on what was essentially paper but they found out it was a scam.
It's rare to find a news article on N4G that's actually worth reading. I'm interested to see where this tech goes and how (un)affordable it will be.
they said an average dvd holds 50-100 gb while they only hold 9 and they said the center is 250 SQ. METERSSSS come on think about it guys, come on think think.....
"Özbay said a normal DVD has a maximum capacity of 50 to 100 gigabytes and that they will increase this by at least a thousand times." DVD's can hold 50 to 100 gigs? WTF. O_o
If you read the entire article, they are talking about Blu-Rays. However, the reporter - probably somebody not educated in technology - thinks about Blu-Rays as DVDs.
Im not going to bother reading this. Every year some one makes a claim like this. It never happens.
even if Blu-Ray is the one he's talking about, only 50GB is the maximum of a blu-ray disc. The 400GB is just a prototype though.
from the article "The new technology permits a far smaller notch to be etched on the DVD surface with a wider wavelength. It is expected to offer a higher definition than the currently used advanced optical formats such as Blu-ray." they mention BRD so it's not like they dont know about it. I think the guy meant to write 5- 10 gigs on a dvd. He might have just added an extra zero which makes more sense than adding an extra 25 gigs to a BRD.
Seems to me like the old HD-DVD fanboys are all excited with this news.
Just give it up you dumb f**king HD-DVD fanboys. You lost, let it go. You don't need to be excited with this because it isn't going to succeed.
Microsoft Xbox 360: Leave your fanboyism at the door please, technological advances are a big deal no matter where they come from or for what they are.
I am sure it is expensive though and a new machine would be needed to run them due to the lazer needed to read the smaller pieces of data.
Also, I imagine with that much data crammed onto a dvd I imagine they'd be extra prone to dirt and disc damage. Still, worth keeping an eye on.
Yes you would need a modified Red Laser reader (which will probably be hella expensive as compared with Blu-Ray). In addition, DVDs will have to be re-engineered to be as durible as they made Blu-rays to prevent scratching (since you'd have upto 1000x more to lose) And finally, no mention of costs involved which is already troubling.
This whole news is irrelevent, new technology is made every week...But probably will never be mass produced for at least 10 years as its not financially possible... Blu ray for example was invented in the late 90's but its only just become financially viable for companies to produce.
I'm with you on that. It would take a SERIOUS financial investment to get this out to the mass market. I'm thinking that this is just an experiment into what can be done. And there nothing wrong with that, these type of things always lead to newer and better technologies.
Shhh.. Be quiet. There's a disagree troll afoot. D: -On Topic- If this happens anytime in the next couple years, it's gonna cost too much to even make profits on.. :S It's interesting to see where tech is going though.
They could take this furher if the disks cost less than Blu-ray...
This would be a great addition to the next Xbox which would blow away Blu-Ray. Storage wise... great incentive for MS but is it worth it?
There has always been an argument that red lasers could be better with advancements in the reader head. This sounds like they have found an advancement. I'm not sure what their cost would be, but I can't imagine it being that much higher than DVD because it's just an upgrade. “We have created a magical material which enables rays to pass through a very small point,” the NANOTAM head noted. That sounds like an improvement on the reader. “We will be able to see new-age DVDs that can store a huge amount of data,” he said, underlining that they expect to commence mass production with a local company; That sounds like they're far closer to market than some here believe. But the belief that they want it to be a local company might mean it would take a few years to get things going if they plan to stick to that. If the technology works, they would have no problem getting finance. I'm sure Microsoft and Toshiba would be more than happy to offer money for a region. Toshiba=Asia, Microsoft=North America or just personal use and the inventors keep Europe. Microsoft would love to keep Sony in a hole. This would guarantee Blu-ray never gets a chance.
now we are going to stay in the physical distribution age with games instead of moving forward, why nit try to make a 10 terabyte Hard drive so that we could store all of our games digitally.
With the trend in storage we will be there in 2011...
Also, not a lot of people have 160Mbs internet. Damn, AT&T is charging me for 6Mbs (though it's actually slow looks good on paper though) while people in Japan can get 160Mbs... lame.
I get 30 Mbs internet because of a special deal with my building (for college students). It is really nice.
then there's not much value there. Too little too late.
Quote: 'A normal DVD holds 50 to 100 Gigabytes of data' ??? What sort of DVD's do they use in Turkey?
@below, Agreed, most likely a typo and meant to read 5.0 to 10.0GB of data, still made me laugh :)
bluray is as far as i'm aware DVD a digital versatile disc ?
@ CRAIG667 good point However by your definition wouldn't all disk formats count as Digital Versatile Disks? Blu Ray? HD DVD? DVD? CD? even Floppy Disks are digital and can hold a varity of data? The point being the 4.7 GB disks & there dual layered partners are read by the same sort of standard laser found in all DVD players have been branded as 'DVD' where as 25GB to 50GB disks developed by sony which are read by the blu diod (or however it is spelt) are branded Blu Ray Disks. But I see your point
What self respecting tech savvy blogger/journalist would say a dvd holds 5gb and 10 ... even my sister that doesn't know how to operate her burner knows its 4.7Gb. There's too many things in this article which point at it looking false. Regardless too little too late, especially when your DEFINITELY gonna need new laser and new hardware to read it.
We still call DVDs as 'CDs' . This is not a new mistake then :)
somekindofmike: It's possible it was translated since it is a Turkish site, most likely English is not his first no language so he made a mistake, no big deal, happens all the time. Until the DVD Forum makes mention of these technology I wouldn't get your hopes up for a release any time soon.
There's no way this is true. According to the article they said your "normal" DVD has a maximum capacity of 50-100GB's So 1000x that would be 50-100TB's on a single disc! First of all, your standard DVD's hold 4.7GB worth of information, not somewhere between 50 and 100 GB's. This is all just a rouse to get people riled up. One last thing, in the last line of the article it says the center of the disc is 250 square meters!! That's almost 2,700 square feet!! No way this is real
the thing about 50-100gb is maybe the layer but the squarefoot thing... i cannot say anything.
Hey Guys please read more carefully. "The center has an area of 250 square meters dedicated to sub-micron lithography along with general purpose electrical and optical characterization measurements." Its referring to the research center where they are making this new "technology" I'm guessing there was a translation mistake or something because 5.0 to 10.0 GB would be reasonable(given duel layer disks) well that's my two cents. This still seems too good to be true.
"The center has an area of 250 square meters dedicated to sub-micron lithography along with general purpose electrical and optical characterization measurements. It also has nanofabrication and characterization laboratories." They are NOT talking about the size of the disc, they are referring to the size of the research buildings. I have contacted Dr.Özbay in regards to the 50-100GB storage capacity claim in order to get clarification. I doubt I'll get a reply though. EDIT: When sending e-mail I recieved about 10 script errors...lovely.
I'm not sure about the company...but I'm positive I remember that a major company has already found a way to layer a Blu-Ray up to 17 or 19 layers, effectively giving it a terabyte capacity while still being able to work in current players...Sorry DVD, you're on your way out still, lol!
1000 x 4,7 gb is a whole lot more then 1 TB.
But I seriously doubt the ability to make 1000 layers on a DVD using the current wavelength on a DVD laser. Honestly for this to happen, there would probably have to be incorporation of a new laser, which would defeat the purpose of existing DVD players...Though I will say that it would still be well worth it (if true) to buy a new DVD format!!
Unless this is compatible with standard DVD players/drives, this could be too little too late. Blu Ray is becoming a house hold name now & with multi layered Blu Ray disks going up to 400GB to 1TB in the future (if I remember correctly) Blu Ray will most likely be the format of choice for 5 to 10 years. That's only my educated guess, only time will tell if I'm right or wrong. :) @ Foxgod 4.7 GB times 1000 might just be 4.7 TB :P
what can you store on 4.7 terrabytes that you can't on 1? for that we would need the new reselution for HD being something like 2160p :P and for that we would need larger TV's and for that we would need demand for larger TVs and for that a whole lot of people must think 60" is too small of a viewing surface.
they said they made a 100gb blu ray or somthing and they can make it readable on the ps3 with a firmware and a other TB blu ray but i dont think they said they can make it readable on ps3
Exactly, and 4.7 TB is a whole lot more then 1 TB, its 3700 Gigabyte more. And what can you do with a 4.7 TB disc that you cant with a 1 TB disc ? Let me ask you the following question. what can you do with a 20 gb disc that you cant on a 4.7 gb disc. Now you have answered you own question smartass.
So imagine what a scratch would now do to one of these "special" DVDs. It would be more practical to apply this new tech with a Durabis coated media like Bluray instead.
Surely it would be possible to release DVDs with a similar protective coating that blu ray has? Just a thought,
At least most decent Bluray players are equipped with USB or Network ports making them flash-ready. I wonder if the laser lens could be re-calibrated via flashing the firmware to make this possible on Bluray discs. I mean if a 4.7GB single layer DVD can be reconfigured to use 100X te data, why not reconfigure a 25GB single layered Bluray with the same effort and more flash capable standard hardware? I suppose I would be truly impressed if this was possible with current existing DVD hardware. But another thing I am curious about is how one of theses discs would read at the slow points on the disc since DVD is a variable speed device and Bluray is a constant speed device.
Very already started developing Multi Layered blu ray disks which can hold up to 400GB or Data, and predicted soon they'd fit 1TB on a single disk, all while still be readable by a standard Blu Ray Drive. If I remember correctly.
Blu-ray needed the protective coating because the information on the disc is a lot closer to the surface were it's read. It's deeper in DVD which is why you can take a scratched disc and have it polished to make it play again.
if hard media were not on the downslope and people forgot that we could download everything........ANY disc is last-gen technology. DVD, Blu-ray, it doesn't matter how much it can store. tell me when we can have our ISP's not put a cap on our internet speed to a measly 15 mbs that we never see anyways.
I, for one, want to own my movies, not just a digital copy with security that can render it unplayable at the studio's whim. VOD services have been around for almost a decade now and it hasn't even dented physical media sales. I want to be able to watch my movies when I want, how I want. I want to be able to sell them if I want to. I want to be able to loan them to a friend. I want something tangible, not some virtual product where I can lose everything with a simple computer crash. I don't think I'm alone in this. Sure internet penetration is growing, but ISP's are already capping bandwidth because they can't handle it. I think it's unrealistic to believe the current system will be able to handle millions of users streaming everything from movies to TV shows in the near future. No, physical media is going to be around awhile yet.
you can still have a hard copy after downloading it....its called burning a cd and has been around for a long time. and a computer crash is only a risk if you are still not computer savvy and don't back up your files. and i would take a digital copy over a hard copy any day. then i don't have to worry about damaging it or running out of room to store all my games. and as far as space on a burned disk you can always compress the data.