Solid proof the PS3 is a better system

Examiner writes, "For a moment, let's ignore that the PS3 has more room for upgrades and that its potential has yet to even be near-maxed. Let's ignore that PSN is not only good as Xbox Live, but that it's free. I won't throw dirt at Microsoft over their questionable business practices (homophobia and not covering the return of defunct systems comes to mind). I'll even lay aside the fact that recently the PS3 has been rapidly gaining on the other large consoles in worldwide sales and exceeding them in some countries (Japan). I'm only going to cover capability and past performance."

[ShabzS]

*waiting for the army to arrive and the war to begin*

[ThatCanadianGuy]

*sits back and sips coffee*

Ohhh yeaaahh, it's gonna get wild in here.

[Nike]

Put up a "Top 5 Mistakes Sony is Making with the PS3" article? So everybody at The Examiner's got a different take on the matter or what?

[Marceles]

Examiner is all over the place lately

"yay we love PS3"
"boo we hate PS3"
"top mistakes that show PS3 sucks"
"proof PS3 is better"

Make up your minds.

[gaffyh]

This information has been available to everyone since the PS3 was released. But fanboys always argue over, RSX is worse than 360 GPU, 360 has more RAM blah blah blah.

I think Killzone 2 is proof enough at the moment, the fact that the 360 has been out for 3 years, but every game available on it has not surpassed a game that came out 2 years into PS3's lifecycle shows which is the more powerful console.

I don't doubt that the 360 still has a lot more power available for use, but whether it will reach Killzone quality any time soon, I doubt it.

[Anon1974]

This article really offers nothing.

[ZuperAmazingCooKie]

I am a PS3 supporter more than a 360 or Wii supporter but this article is nothing more than pure fanboy garbage. Look at the picture of the "editor", he's just a kid with no friends trying to pass off his WEAK opinion as fact and undeniable proof of PS3's superiority as a "system". Any rational gamer, 360, PS3 or Wii supporter can agree that this is bullsh1t, how did this even get approved?

[TheDude2dot0]

Yeah! Dem gaes dook er jerbs!

Day dook ar jobs!

[Nike]

Just like idiots will abuse the caps lock to try and be funny? Whoops, rhetorical question. Sorry.

[Monchichi025]

There can NEVER be solid proof because it's all A MATTER OF OPINION!!!! Just because it's better for you will never mean it's better for everyone!

There will always be people who think the Wii is better, the 360 is better and the PS3 is better! Just let it BE!!!

[All-3]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/t...

Frankly, the only views that matter in this debate are those of programmers who have experience with next-gen hardware.

So this week I spoke to Richard Hackett a head of technology at Blitz Games about his experiences with both machines. He feels that CELL has an ace up its sleeve and it's not something you might have predicted...

The debate over graphics on Xbox 360 and PS3 is still raging online, with developers coming out on both sides to claim superiority. As an independent developer how do you compare the two formats in terms of visuals? In essence the two systems are actually fairly closely matched in terms of graphics. The jump to HD is a major step up in visual quality and that is delivered by both systems. The difference between 720p and 1080i will be fairly academic for some time as there are very few mass market TVs out there at the moment that support native 1080 resolution, and I'm not sure the average consumer sees the difference between them anyway.

Is there anything you're able to do, visually, on PS3 that you can't on Xbox 360? Certain procedural effects are easier to create on the PS3 because of the power of the SPEs. Effects like water simulations, especially when you move beyond simple surface effects to fluid dynamics require the kind of algorithms that are really suited to the CELL architecture. Having said that the slightly more flexible GPU and unified memory model on X360 allows some neat tricks that level the playing field somewhat. It will be interesting to see what emerges with video processing and EyeToy as well - CELL is designed for streaming and image processing applications in mind. I think we'll see both new visuals and game play out of that.

[bnaked]

@All-3

"The team behind God of War III, Sony Santa Monica, explain that the PlayStation 3's SPU processors are much faster than many developers think they are.

In their GDC '09 keynote, titled Practical SPU Programming in God of War III, Jim Tilander and Vassily Filippov of Sony Santa Monica detailed their use of the PlayStation 3's SPUs.

The Cell processor features one main processor, PPU, and 8 specialist processors, SPUs, one of which is turned off for optimisation reasons, with another used for the PlayStation 3's OS.

In their keynote, Sony Santa Monica explained that the SPUs aren't actually coprocessors but are full general purpose processors that can handle code directly lifted from the PPU. Moreover, they aren't just fast, but they are super fast and with a little bit of help they can run code at unbelievable speeds.

In fact, the God of War III team rely on the SPUs to accelerate both the PlayStation 3's GPU (RSX) and the PPU. They then detailed the systems running on the SPUs, which include animation, cloth, collision, procedural textures, culling, shadows, push buffer generation, meta tasks, geometry conditioning, and sound. Indeed, most (if not all) of the heavy lifting is left to the SPUs.

The team concluded their talk by reiterating that developers must use the parallel nature of the PlayStation 3 and not treat SPUs as a special case, since they are much faster than you think they are."

[All-3]

John Carmack - you know who that is, don't you?

He says the PS3 is a --> little more powerful processing-wise... but NOTHING like almost 3xs the advantage. Carmack is the fellow behind the technology running the upcoming PS3/Xbox/PC/Mac game; Rage.

http://www.gametrailers.com...

1UP: It's interesting that you think you could do this (Metal Gear Solid 4) on 360, though.

And Hideo Kojima said --> QUOTE: Maybe some nuance or a small details here and there might be different, but I feel that hardware is no longer a matter. I'm just talking about PS3, 360 and PC. Revolution (Wii) is totally different, but there are really no differences among the other three.

http://www.1up.com/do/featu...

[Saladfax]

Ugh. There is no editing or monitoring of content on the examiner, and now every single one of them seems to be whoring themselves out for hits.

I submit my stuff here fairly often, but I like to think I genuinely believe the things I write. It has become slightly shameful to be a games writer associated with the examiner.

[QuackPot]

Yes, you can make mistakes and still be the better system.

They aren't mutually exclusive.

[IcarusOne]

Great posts! Have bubbles! (Have you noticed people who try to be fair and balanced always end up with low bubbles? Weird...)

[y0haN]

Yes folks what do you prefer, the Failbox Fee-fix-me or the DelayStation 3?

[patterson]

The Playstation is made of gold, diamonds and solid granite. As a result it will last a million years and never break down. It is a bargain.

The 360 however is made of cheese, newspaper and tinfoil. They will last a few months and will need replacing.

*cough* OK I can't do this. Even I have to admit this article sucks and nothing but flame bait.

[bnaked]

@y0haN

i don't prefer the XBox 3FIXME

xD

[SL1M DADDY]

I was an avid member of the Xbox forums and how I supported both the 360 and the PS3 and how just because I supported the PS3 as well, I was considered a troll. I remember arguing with some of the guys there about the graphical power of the PS3 versus the 360 and how they aways showed "proof" that the 360 was in fact the most powerful console in terms of graphics. I remember their greatest ammo was multiplatform titles and Gears of War. Two years later I see now who was correct in those arguments and with the proof of such games as Killzone 2 and even Uncharted, thos idiots that argued over this against me are no longer posting such arguments... I suspect they are too busy playing the PS3...

Let's all be multiconsole gamers and if the PS3 has the best looking games then so be it. If we all play multiconsole then it matters not, we all get to play the best games out there.

[Oner]

@ All-3 ~ Your link - http://www.guardian.co.uk/t... is from December 2006!?!?

The link from within THIS article from the Examiner - http://www.ocforums.com/sho... is MUCH more recent (as it's from 8/2008)

Read, learn/use proper CURRENT info and post accordingly to have a valid understanding and discussion of the topic/nature.

[All-3]

WHY should I care WHEN those articles were posted?

Have either the Xbox 360 or the PS3 hardware changed in --> ANY <-- significant way concerning --> PROCESSING? Gsus...

Do some actual research yourself and learn that EACH console has its own strengths AND weakness... and in the end --> the PS3 does NOT offer --> almost 3xs the processing power over the 360 --> concerning gameplay.

You can point to games like Killzone 2 or Uncharted or Heavy Rain, or whatever you want to... I'll point you to the upcoming multiplatform game --> Rage... and you can read what was CLARIFIED about that id Software game concerning so-called game content cuts because of the 360.

Just because the 360 has to utilize --> MULTIPLE discs vs the singular disc for the PS3 version... doesn't and WON'T make the PS3 version --> VASTLY <-- superior.

The blu-ray disc offers a SPACE advantage vs DVD-9... nobody can argue that issue - HOWEVER... the larger blu-ray disc capacity DOES NOT offer any graphical advantage over MULTIPLE DVD-9 discs that, when COMBINED --> would offer up just-as-much-capacity as the blu-ray disc.

Obviously COST per disc comes into play... so COMPRESSION will be utilized to cut down on the NUMBER of DVD-9 discs required... but compression techniques have come a long ways, and graphics do not suffer by any HUGE margin vs UNCOMPRESSED data.

A lot of PS3 game developers use/d COMPRESSION for their PS3 games... requiring blu-ray dis space for OTHER concerns --> SUCH as using SAME code to cut down on loading times because the blu-ray drive is SLOW compared to the DVD drive in the Xbox 360.

BTW - I own BOTH the PS3 AND --> the 360.

[Oner]

So old, outdated, misinformation is what you are going by and think is "correct" huh? Ooookaaaay...I don't need to say anything about that as it's clear as day and self explanatory in itself.

Plus how does your reply about disc space prove anything? It was blatantly off topic to try and make some weak point about the 360's short comings being limited because of DVD-9 or not? When the info I provided (that WAS from the article itself) shows more recent, up to date, proper exact info and only touched upon the DATA SPEEDS of BD vs DVD SL & DL.

Again, I have to re-iterate ~ Read, learn/use proper CURRENT info and post accordingly to have a valid understanding and discussion of the topic/nature....since it seems you have a limited comprehension of when I said it the first time.

Oh and um, I have to chuckle at what you "believe/said" about Rage when a) there is absolutely no proof (or any valid documentation) to show that it will be the "next best thing" for 360 b) IT'S MULTIPLATFORM and c) based off the fact it is multiplat it will be the same if not better on the PS3 anyway not to mention (though you tried to down play it already) there are ALREADY CURRENT titles like Uncharted 1, GT5P, Killzone 2 to name a few and quite a few others coming VERY soon like Uncharted 2, GT5, Heavy Rain, GoW3 etc. that show hands down that the PS3 has MUCH more to offer now, soon and definitely in the future...just as every Playstation model of console has before ;)

[solidsnakus]

is this even nessesary? well .. it is n4g so this is just the first one of many today.

[Sheikh Yerbouti]

And you guys talk a lot of crap about the HHG. This could have been written last year - swap Killzone with Uncharted.

[mboojigga]

Yet no proof was provide just a fanboy opinion. Nothing different that the same type of article since 2005. Move along everyone nothing to read.

[Oner]

Direct link proof taken from the article http://www.ocforums.com/sho...

[taco_tom237]

this will get interesting =)

[sugard0]

*yawn* Another day, another dollar ay?

[jomnize]

There's plenty of proof.

[bmatthews]

....let the battles begin!

[Mc187]

Bring on the trolls.
Where is teh mart?

[ThatCanadianGuy]

Getting all of his accounts ready

[Jinxstar]

haha like loading up a rifle eh?

[Marceles]

lol canadian

[Unicron]

I prefer the PS3, but better is entirely subjective based on a gamer's needs, preferences, and wants. There is no objective way to say any console is "better."

Still, this should be a funny thread.

[jomnize]

'tis the point.

[Socomer 1979]

are we just gonna let these kids sign up to the examiner and blog n4g to death with thier back and forth bullcrap?

seriously, the examiner is is worthless. why wont those same kids just come blog for n4g? Look at the picture of the chinese kid from yesterday and this fat kid from this article.

Who the fck cares what these people examine ?
am i alone on this?

[Lotard3]

Ugh. I agree with some/most of your points, but that's just a flamebait title.

[Snatcher]

IT HAS FREAKING BLU-RAY :O

[xbollox]

http://www.youtube.com/watc...
http://www.youtube.com/watc...
http://www.youtube.com/watc...
http://www.youtube.com/watc...
http://www.youtube.com/watc...

and that alone is enough to poop all over the competition
debate is over.

[vTuro24]

another day another "why x console is better" article...

[Too_Hyped]

I prefer the PS3 by far too because :

- there are great games on it, while there are zero AA+ exclusive on 360, the only few ones are on my PC too anyway.

- I love playing online for free and without lag.

- I don't like to pay 1000 $ for a 20 Gb hard drive, I prefer buying a 500 Gb for my PS3 at 80 $

- HDDVD is dead and Blueray rocks, and I want a next gen drive

- I like quality consoles, not systems that break every 2 weeks

- I don't like kiddie avatars that make me look like I'm 12.

- I don't like paying 30 $ for a 1980 game on XB Live Arcade

- I hate adverts

- I want a browser on my console too since it's not 1980 anymore

- I don't like feeling like I'm flying in a jet when I play, I prefer hearing the sound of the game.

- I don't like listening for stupid American racist 12 year old teens of the Xbox Live. (Note to them : don't buy a PS3 and keep playing Halo 2007 for 20$ a month on Live like mummy said)

- I prefer the console of the present and future, to the console of the past

[iHEARTboobs]

"I don't like feeling like I'm flying in a jet when I play, I prefer hearing the sound of the game"

lol, the first thing I noticed when i fired up my 360 was how loud it was compared to my PS3. It can be bothersome if you're playing at night.

[Anon1974]

Now the 40 Db fan is really just as loud as a slightly loud whisper, and that doesn't sound so bad until it's in your living room, constantly whispering while you're playing a game or watching a movie.

Other than that I pretty much agree with everything but a couple of things. There ain't nothin wrong with 360 games. I've got a 360 and the lineup has been stellar. A little slow last year and this year isn't looking great, but to say the 360 has no AAA games is just wrong.

And Avatars don't look kiddie. They look like they should have been playing for WHAM back in the day. Seriously, slap some stubble on one, aviator shades and an earring and it's like a George Michael caricature. It's kinda funny.

[All-3]

- I love playing online for free and without lag.

LOL --> Even with the very latest, and greatest HIGH-END PC.. and a great broadband connection... you can still get --> LAG

NO gaming system out there that can feature online play is guarded against --> LAG!

- I don't like to pay 1000 $ for a 20 Gb hard drive, I prefer buying a 500 Gb for my PS3 at 80 $

LOL again.

$1000 bucks for the 20GB Xbox 360 hard drive eh? That's complete BULL!

It's $50 bucks or less... and one can get the 120GB Xbox 360 hard drive for $90 dollars.

Unless there's another one now - the only internal 500GB SATA hard drive that fits into a PS3, is the Samsung SpinPoint M60S HM500LI - and the cheapest place I've found - has it for $92.00 dollars.

- I hate adverts

Then you must hate the PSN service... and I guess you haven't read this --> http://technology.timesonli...

Owners of PlayStation 3 consoles will soon see adverts inside video games after Sony struck a deal with IGA Worldwide, a company that specializes in 'in-game' advertising.

- I don't like paying 30 $ for a 1980 game on XB Live Arcade

The most expensive Xbox Live Arcade games are only $20 bucks, kiddo.

- I don't like listening for stupid American racist 12 year old teens of the Xbox Live. (Note to them : don't buy a PS3 and keep playing Halo 2007 for 20$ a month on Live like mummy said)

Haha... you mean there's NO "stupid racist 12 year olds that play PS3 games online??????? Yeah right!

BTW --> 12 year olds --> AREN'T TEENS - duhh! And one month of Xbox Live isn't $20 bucks!

[Ian414]

Every one knows this,even Microsoft.

[II Necroplasm II]

yeah they know the PS3 is more powerful.

I'm sure they also regret not installing the HDDVD drive when they made the 360.

[cliffbo]

the only thing he got wrong was BC. ok some systems still have it but they are older and the people who picked up earlier machines are lucky. but like i said, apart from that it's spot on

[yz250]

the bc thing is off like you said, but so is the standalone blu-ray player remark. blu-ray players are 200 bucks now. the author still thinks that stand alone players are higher than a ps3.

"The PS3 comes with a hefty price tag compared to the 360, but it's still cheap compared to a standalone Blu-ray player,"

this article is a little late, and is not spot on totally.
in other words this article sucks.

[cliffbo]

you could be right about the 'standalone' thing. i just took it that it was badly worded and he meant overall value because of the price a standalone would add to the 360 if you went that route

[yz250]

maybe. i dunno. seems to me this article is totally out of date. the author is where i am from originally, thank god i moved, charlotte nc is a dump hole.

this article stinks completely.

oh well tomorrow i'll have my new 80 gig, which i want to ask- does the ps3 have anything like a "background download feature?" when i had one before it didn't, but i know a lot of firmwares have been released since then. this is one feature i love on my 360 and i want on my ps3.

thanks for the answer in advance, if anyone answers it.

[snaz27]

you prbably already have the answer but just incase yes you can download in the background on most things like psn games etc... if they do a firmware update (which is normally every 3 months) then you cant do it in the background but it takes like 10 minutes max so no bother really... you can also download films for free off a certain site i know lol... if you have a pc and do that already then cool but if not my psn name is xsnazx just look me up and ill help you out as much as i can... there are plenty of little treasures to find inside that black box your gonna love it enjoy.

[Topshelfcheese]

I like my PS3 more than my 360, but this article is just retarded.

[A LIVING LEGEND]

of what exactly? i own one,i like it,proof enough for me.I like to think for myself i dont need these constant attempts at reafirming something i already know.find something worthwhile to examine,'Examiner' this is redundant at best.Damage control at worst.thanx for coming out

[peeps]

yep. gotta say, these examiner articles are really poor

[Socomer 1979]

No. they are smart.
I like the ps3 better because i dont like RROD.
What? somebody has to say it.

RROD is not fun.
Stop right there !
dont give me that tired old story of the problem being fixed or whatever just to get me to buy one so that you can laugh at me for adding 1 more console sold to your pointless little war of pretending to work for xbox.
RROD sucks.

Also, xbox360 has no games... that i like... because its garbage... my opinion... bite me... better yet... bite these... i cant beleive you bought a xbox360?

[GiantEnemyCrab]

You know I could say the same thing about the PS2 and DRE failures. I did experience the problem and Sony did tell me to pay up for it even though it was a well known problem. No 3 year warranty and certainly was a game breaking experience for me as much as the RROD.

Stop right there! And don't tell me it wasn't a big problem because any Google search will show the problem was very real.

The 360 has no games you like? Fair enough. However, I think the only games you like are required to have a Playstation logo on them. I cannot believe out of all the 360 catalog not one game appeals to you.

The PS3 has some great features and I do hate the way MS nickel and dime a lot of their products and the hardware problems are unacceptable. However, I've had an excellent gaming experience with the system. I did just get the RROD but it's still one problem behind the couple of PS2 failures I had.

These articles remind me of the guy who walks around talking about how big his junk is because he wants people to believe him. When in reality the dude is p*ssing out of coffee straw for a pecker.

[yz250]

your ass isn't banned to the open zone yet.

[Oner]

Re-re-re-re-repost of mine...with current adjusted numbers & added inof

"To those who continue to say the PS2's DRE vs 360's RROD was equally "as bad"...I find it funny how those some people fail to mention the %'s where still within acceptable industry standards. The only reason why it "seemed" like a lot is because

2-3% of 140 Million is 2.8-4.2 Million ~ PS2

33+% of 30 Million is 9.9 Million+! ~ 360

See, when it's put into PROPER perspective and context others points are totally invalidated. As for other things like Sony charging while MS doesn't, what do you think? Sony charged EVERYONE? Nope. Only those who where outside of their warranty, just like EVERY other company in the world does...unlike MS as they HAD to do it or there would have been a worse class action lawsuit than what Sony had."

Lastly, I have to add how also certain people seem to forget when the 360 first launched it only had a 3 MONTH warranty (MS was already trying to cover there a$$es/losses right from the beginning!), just to up it to a year (because consumer complaints where starting to roll in numerously from RROD and the also little known/remembered broken power supply problems they had right from launch) to THEN be pressured into a 3 year warranty because of full blown RROD issues (for the US and in the EU for RROD/DRE's etc.) PLUS now all the supposed E74 prone "RROD proof" Jasper models ONLY come with a 1 year warranty (industry standard just like the Wii and PS3 had from the get go). {Please excuse the run on sentence but it's kind of warranted there}

I mean C'mon already! WTF do people need MORE to see clearly?!?! It's damned comical how MS has gotten away with this kind of business practice of SELLING broken hardware without reprieve!

[4cough]

I got to this bit (PSN is not only good as Xbox Live, but that it's free) then laughed and remeberd a previous comment by myself.

XBOX live is just genius, No matter how much Sony try to emulate it they just fail.

They tried to implement in-game music but only about 10 games on PS3 support it, where as every single game on 360 and LIVE support it, Never mind you cant even stream music from your PC to PS3 in-game = PSN FAIL.

They tried to implement Achievements called Trophies but yet it totally flawed because less than 15% of actual games support trophies, utter Failure.

They cant even implement the most basic function of cross game invites, Which just stupid.

Ha I'm not even going to mention cross game chat, haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

Ha I'm not even going to mention PlayStation HOME the unmitigated disaster that it is.

And its biggest disaster of ALL.............The absolute Zero lack of community. It just plain outright stinks.

PS3 fanboys just bite their noses off to spite their faces.

[ULTIMATE_REVENGE]

you dont know how to laugh dumbass!, its HA-HA and not a big fat 'haaaaaaa', and the 360 is a medi-medi-medi-realy-medicore+ crap PC

[batman2million]

to each his own.
simple and clear.

[Too_Hyped]

I like both PS3 and 360.

I use my PS3 for games, and I play 'sales' on 360 with my friend PP / thefart / whydis / bladetard. It's a nice game I guess.

[Snatcher]

Metal Gear Solid 4, LittleBigPlanet and Killzone 2 COMBINED. HAHAH. IN YOUR FACE.

[Nike]

Halo 3 won only 1 Game of the Year award. That too from Time Magazine. Ouch.

Edit: Forgot Geezer Gamer and G4's G-Phoria awards. Not that they matter. :P

[ULTIMATE_REVENGE]

i dont remember a game called 'Sales' coming out, could you post me some gameplay or screenshots of this game because apparently it seems to be better then MGS4, LBP and killzone2

[Snatcher]

Did you know that Dracula in Castlevania games didn't spontaneously develop breast cancer? Or drive under any waterfalls with his coffin mobile.

And I thought my jokes were bad.

EDIT below: Stop showing off your bubbles :(

EDIT3: Okay.

[Nike]

I suppose. :P

[overseer]

Besides the fact that this article is retarded, I have a Memorex BD2511 blu ray player that I bought for $100. So yeah, blu ray capability is hardly an argument. Besides, this console war is over.

Microsoft sold more than enough consoles to justify building another one, so they're in business.

Sony sold more than enough consoles to justify building another one, so they're in business.