Bravos GAmer TVs point of view on the big question which is more powerfull.
the ps3 shots are ever so slightly sharper but, as the guy points out, not completely noticable unless you're specifically looking for a difference. Of course, the real test is later on in the console cycle...but by then most gamegeeks will have made up their minds and Joe Bloggs will be waiting for the first price drop.
I could really give which one is more powerful. I get a console that has good games that I like.
We all know 90% of titles will come out on both PS3 & Xbox360 and you won't really be able to tell the difference. The other 10% everyone will want, Gears of War, Virtua Fighter 4, MGS 4, Halo 3, GT5, Forza 2. It's the games that matter, and we want them all!
either the ps3 shots were slightly sharper or the 360 version had better lighting effects considering sharpness wont be a factor in HD, im going to go ahead and say that there were more lighting effects in the 360 version.
häh ??? the quality of the video is so bad, and you want say the xbox360 has better lightning ? the only think you can see is that the xbox360 version is brighter, thats all.
achira, are you Finninsh??
lame comparison. they shouldnt compare multiplatform games, its obvious they will be the same.
When you aren't bowing to Sony, you can offer some intelligent remarks.
How is it "obvious" that the cross-platform games will be the same? From the fanboy tripe I have read from clowns like SSJ (and his minions of aliases) and even from you on occasion, the PS3 is supposed to be VASTLY superior to the XBox 1.5, right? Well, how come this VASTLY superior PS2.5 can't display a superior game on the cross-platform titles? Think about it, the cross-platform games of this gen ALL looked better and noticeably so on XB1 versus PS2. A little consistency would be nice. Either the PS3 is superior to the XB360 and it will show in game graphics (and that INCLUDES cross-platform titles) or it is on equal footing with the 360 and there will be little to no difference in graphcis performance across the board. To say that PS3 will only look better than XB360 when running first party software is BS.
well, you're right and you're wrong. The problem with the last gen was that xbox was actually capable of 720p, and most of the cross-platform games took advantage of that. The PS3 really wasn't capable of the higher resolutions, except a few games like God of War...which I dont even think was 720p I think it was only 480P versus the normal 480i. Also, we don't know what console they are creating the "original" copy of the game on. The devs will know which system will have the least "power", and they will create the game on that platform and then cross over with little tweaking other then button layout for the other platforms. In the case of the xbox last gen, all they did was increase resolution on many games and that is why they looked better. This gen will be different because all are capable of same resolutions. So I agree that we shouldn't use cross-platformers as a benchmark, but we also can't expect one to look better then the other on these types of games like we saw in the last gen (other then PS3 and Xbox 360 looking better then the Wii because nobody will argue that it is unable to produce the same graphics as the other two).
you finally made our points. You finally admitted the the 360 is next gen. You said that you know that cross platform games will look the same. lol...Thats hilarious. So now people have to decide Halo 3, Gears of War, and GTA 4 or Grand Tourismo next year, and um...well nothing is really confirmed as launch yet. Interesting. So lets break that down. 300 dollars plus the games you want that look the same as 600 dollars and no jump in quality. Lets so a gamer only likes sports games. Which system should he get? I'm just glad you can admit that both are next gen and both are going to be the same with 3rd party games and there is a 200 dollar price difference for it. But I agree the 360 version of sonic did look like it had better lighting. But thats to be expected. The 360 was made for games only and the ps3 was intended for hd movie playback with the 7 dsp and the cell.
You're not completely right. The number of games on XBOX running in 720p was quit small seen on total number of games. So by a few (mostly even not cross platform I think but I should look into it), most XBOX games ran on 480p compared to 480i from PS2. That was the difference and just the XBOX had better hardware, GPU and the hardware was better tweaked and worked together better. As is the same with the 360 compared other next gen consoles. In total it's made to display games at their best instead of doing raw power line ups what no one will use
Games on GC, PS2, and Xbox (multi platform) for the most part, looked the same. The games that will show off the console are exclusive titles.
The games on XB were better than GC (graphically) and they were both better than PS2. I know for a fact that the graphics on NCAA and Madden 2006 for XB were MUCH better than the graphics on PS2. The GAMEPLAY was almost identical - right down to the annoying glitches in AI - but the graphics showed a clear distinction in clarity and detail. It was the same on other games as well, most notably the Splinter Cell series - which kicked ass on XB but was mediocre on PS2 (and yes I owned and oplayed both versions, so that is MY opinion, maybe not everyone elese....)
well first of all that guy hmm he was kinda fun ,, second it seams like the ps3 have more deaph in the coolor then the 360 but the 360 looks sharper,,, but i dont know,,, maby its youst the setups on the screen ,, i dont know,, damn its hard,, well i have a 360 and when the prise goes down 4 the ps3 i probebly will by one 2,, and yes ( and i know this dont have with this thread,, but i was thinkin,, the ps3 will have a OS, a linux os,, well linux is VEREY steady ,, but WHAT IF the linux chrashes? ,, ,,,
well sony are not good with software ,,, you only have to look at there psp firmware updates lol,,, what a joke got rid of the pill of poo,,,, as for the comment on lighting etc YES the 360 is better at doing HDR lighting then the ps3 this is fact people ,,,
This argument could go on for days. Neither had sharper anything, or better lighted anything, or higher esolution anything. The subtle difference you saw was probably a different codec or something. It's already been pointed out, but developers don't waste time and money optimising cross platform games. That's why cross platform games are rarely any good. This is precisely the same software and graphical strength, simply converted to the different hardware.
That video is good for a couple of laughs and that's about it.
This just shows that there's not going to be a major difference in Multi-platform titles on the PS3 and X360, which I knew anyway. Personally, I'm going to wait until 2007 when MGS4, FFXIII arrives, expecially seeing as Assassins Creed it coming to the 360 now. Why pay more for games when you get get the console and game for nearly half the price of another? I will be buying a PS3, but not until some decent First party games arrive.
Oooh, a bad-quality video trying to compare two versions of a game that look almost identical to begin with. How useful!
4 me the 360 has the games I like to play. Many PS titles are on the 360 now and the 360 has the better excusives not to mention XBL!! Its a no brainer 360 all the way!!! And What about load times on the ps3? Load times will be terrible!!
First off, I'm neither for PS3 or Xbox 360, I will enjoy both equally. Number 12, how can you say that load times on the PS3 will be terrible? Since xbox 360 game makers have to make all games playable on the lowest common denominator (IE the xbox 360 basic package) then they arn't making games with caching to a HDD. PS3 games will be able to cache to a HDD, much like the original xbox. So while you are playing one lvl, the game could be loading the next onto the HDD (assuming developers use the HDD in this way). Also, we don't even know the final specs on the blu-ray drive...it could be crazy fast...so please, before you make uneducated statements like "load times on the PS3 will be terrible", find some sort of proof to back up your statement.
Caching to the HDD is NOT a PS3 exclusive ability. The 360 COULD do that just as well, what could NOT do it is the Core 360 without a HDD add-on. I don't want to put words in the OP's mouth, but I think the slow load time is a reference to the Blu-Ray's somewhat pedestrian load times for movies (somewhere around 25-30 seconds from disc to screen). I personally think that is a bad analogy, but I believe that was the original intent of saying the Blu_ray will suffere long load times. (of course, I could be wrong, I frequently am....lol.)
lol yes but ps3 will have long loading times in the start up etc ,, i wont go in to it lol!!.. the 360 can use the hard drive too OBLIVIAN anyone?? lol
There nutting to compare now..even if there was.xbox didn`t blow away ps2 or gamecube outta the water.same thing is gonna happend but this time around it`s pretty close between the 2 or maybe 3
I'll go with Microsoft, Sony nevers delivers on their hype. If you believe Sony's claims you're a fool. Sony's bussiness tactics are deciving, and Sony is very aware the average 8-16 year old kid eats up the hype. Xbox will always be better, always has and always will. Just wait it will be the same with the Blu-ray is better hype. DELAYSTATION!!!.
If you can't contribute anything positive to the forums...you might as well not post. Nobody here wants to read your fanboy garbage anymore. Go play your xbox 360, assuming you even have one, and leave the rest of us who actually want to have intellegent conversations alone. Thank you.
Fanboy? so what. Tell me it's not true. intellegent conversations like you're fanboy comment 5.3 Tell me what i said isn't true. STFU and it's fanman to you. I wasn't talking to you're ass. intellegent conversations conversations about videos?. This is my point of view about Sony and it's a proven fact that Sony can't be trusted these vids show nothing again Sony can't be trusted so i think Sony saying it's more powerful is BS. Sony lieing is a proven fact and i think you're a Sony fanboy regardless of you owning a 360 that's why you attacked me like you were offended, you can stop with the intellegent fanboyism thank you.
Damn pro, you act like MS has never done anything wrong. Do you honestly think they are a squeaky clean Corp.? And also, you haven't contributed to anything positive about the ps3 or anything Sony. It sounds like your a disgruntled ex-employee who got the shaft.
That video didnt tell us a damn thing. They showed two videos that are the same. WTF???
PS2 games looked worse than xbox games and it's not because of 720p , PS2 games were less detailed had weaker AI and had less going on durring gamplay because it was less powerful.
The metal gear, grand turismo and the ICO series are a perfect example on how your wrong.
The Xbox 360 is 100% bettter than the wimpy PS3
Gamer TV are CRAP. They review games like 3 months after there release!!! They also have a horribly irritating presenter. Don't trust these guys.
its true mate the ps3 is over hyped wake the fuk up lol!! dont believe then lol they spot on there is no difrence ,,, the only difrence will be is in the grphics the 360 has the better cpu and for the cell vs 360 cpu the little extra it has is gon cos its hard to program for .... i can go on and on but aint gona waist my time .... i have read about 1 1/2 years work of stuff on the ps3/360 the good the bad and the ugly mate and 360 comes out on top so yeah what ever
I think both xbox 360 and PS3 fans will agree with this statement. Games don't take advantage of a consoles strength until very late into the developement style. Sonic isn't finished yet and is still in early developement. Lots of time left to polish this game. Just because the game is the same doesn't mean that the programmers for each platform concentrated on exactly the same features. The only way you can truly compare is when the game is finally comes out on both systems 100% complete. Even then it isn't a very good indication of Hardware strength. Developers could purposely design the game to be relatively similar graphically instead of concentrating on fully utilizing each systems strength. Why? Let us say for arguement sakes that the PS3 is much more powerful. How would Sonic fans feel on a Xbox 360 if the PS3 version put it to shame. They would blame it on Sega and not their Xbox 360 because MS has done such a good job Hyping the power of their console. By the way this example can be applied to PS3 console owners as well - think about it how many PS3 fans here would by the Sonic game if it suck compared to the Xbox 360 game. We wouldn't. No, believe it or not the best way to compared systems using software is exclusive content that is not the same game but uses the same effects and is usually design to take full advantage of the hardware.
Hello all, I've been following this discussion for quite some time now,even though this has nothing to do with the topic at all im just clearing things up. First a bit on my background. I have done an education for computer sciences with a major in 3D graphics development, and I am now working for my PhD. Since this is so, I have worked quite a bit with hardware in terms of programming and graphics creation. Let me warn all of you, sony is overhyping it's product once again, like they have done before. And I am amazed to see how biased several of the webpages and magazines are. They all try to downsize Xeon and Xenon technology, but with the arguments and testcases that most of these sources come up with , Cell and RSX will often come out way worse, yet that's a thing they do not show us of course. Many people don't seem to grasp that ATI's Xenon truly is a revolution in terms of pipeline architecture. Unlike the RSX the Xenon is truly next gen, Xenon revolutionizes powermanagement within it's core, so it doesn't need all the mhz's to create a massive output. The unified shader architecture also gives developers way more playground, and the Xbox 360 will certainly be able to incorperate more ways of instruction for creating and rendering the graphics on screen. The RSX on the other hand will have it's massive clockspeed, but it will use it in a less efficient way. Anyway, with the specs of both consoles now fully released it is possible to do a REAL TIME comparinson of the 2 consoles,your about to see what most of the sony representetives didnt want you to see. Comparing these two GPU's is like comparing Apples to Banana's. RSX on paper will have certain advantages over Xenon, and Xenon will have certain advantages over RSX. There is the element of co-operation with the CPU we also have to consider. Ok, lets put up the specs for the RSX as published. - 550 Mhz - 51 billion dot products/sec count's for total system performance - 300 Million Transistors - 136 shader operations per clock good now that's for the facts as presented to us, we have 550 MHz of power to work with The Cell and the RSX together are capable to produce 51 billion dot products. I think it is interesting to take a closer look at this claim especially, since I worked with this bit while the specs of both consoles first became public, the important thing is that mnay people just compare the seperate peices of each console to PS fanboys and PS3 no-it-alls it will be music to there ears, but to us who know about computers and know how to compare them,ill tell you one thing, sony has lost alot of its credibility ;). Anyway. Since the Cell will have 7 DSP's all being able to do a dot product per cycle, we have some numbers to work with, we can put the numbers in a small calculation. 7DSP * 3.2(ghz) = 22.4 billion dot products/sec for the CPU since we had 51 billion in total , we will have to substract them to know what is left for the GPU. 51 - 22.4 = 28.6 Billion dot products When you devide this number to the clockspeed of the GPU you will get 52 ALU operations per clock as they are called. Now as stated before, the RSX's architecture is not that different from the GeForce 6800 and so it will use Vector4 standards. Since ATI's architecture is done with Vector5s it will handle the material a bit different. Now there also the Multiply Add instructions, in short MADD instructions to work with. In plain English MADD means that the vector graphic will be recalculated to it's precise position, and the instruction always sort of double checks before we get output, that's why we have throw in the 2 value in the end calculation. So, what we have here is this. 52 ALU ops * 4 floats (vector4s) * 550 (clockspeed) * 2 (MADD) =228.8 Gflops for the RSX and Cell as a team. If we do the same with the specs of Xbox 360 we will find that it does the following, all the numbers provided through the same calculation though with the Xeon the dot products are devided over it's 3 cores. 48 ALU ops (less than PS3) * 5 floats (vector5s better than PS3) * 500 (less than PS3) * 2(MADD) = 240 Gflops for Xenon, and Xeon as a team This is one example of how this Xenon GPU together with the Xeon does more with less, and in this case it will give slightly better graphics. So in theory we have a more powerful RSX with more Mhz's at it's disposal which due to some limitations within the architecture can not be used to it's full potential. overall the RSX basically is a current gen processor which is overclocked, since it's architecture is not that different from it's predecessors. I think in the end it will most definately come to the creative sollutions of the game programmers.. Which is when the xbox 360 wins overall as What many people are missing is that the new architecture of ATI opens new ways in terms of graphical development, and the 3 core CPU helps greatly too,as ahmed said earlier: ''the Cell has only one PPE to the IBM's Xenon's three, which means that developers will have to cram all their game control, AI, and physics code into at most two threads that are sharing a very narrow execution core with no instruction window.'' -No need for me to explain anymore. which is why developers can now ponder new ways of programming, while for PS3 Developers will be bound to the more conventional ways of programming, and the power will be harder to effectively program. So in terms of hardware the Xbox 360 definately will be able to deliver more performance. Not to forget the price too. the ps3 will be $499 for the low grade and $599 for the premium grade,and the games cost $60-? each.But the thing that bothers me is that with the xbox 360 all you have to do with the core console is buy a hard drive and it wouild be a premium console,but for a low grade ps3($499) it has alot of features missing that you cant just buy that sony said the console will have,such If you think the 360 line up won't counter some of PS3's sales you're living in a dream world. Consumers will shop at the end of the year and the buzz of the line up will have people thinking hard. [Mal Reynolds ] you're a fool.
therealdeal: now i know that you are only a stupid xbot. can you stop copy and paste the internet full of your crap. if your xcrapbox is so good, go play it, that would proof more than your bs postings.
Are calling me the real deal you little twarp. How old are you?. Go play PS2 or outside.
This is what I mean if you read his post you would learn some thing.
I am thinking maybe I should get a 360 and use the extra money to buy some games. I'm really starting to get pissed at sony. I don't get it. I thought we were suppose to blow the 360 out the water. Its not happening. the 360 version of sonic did look a tad better. Im sure they had them both running on the same display. I'm so confused. Should I wait for the ps3 to have demo units in the stores and see for myself? Or should I take the plunge now and play now? What is Sony doing?
why wait? If you like gaming and are looking for solid hardware now, the XB360 is readily available and has a building library of games. Chances are unless you like to camp out in front of stores or have a relative working for Sony or a game shop, you won't see a PS3 this year anyway. Even if it does launch on time in November, there will be a crush of shortages just like the 360 (if not worse). If you are waiting for the PS3, the wait is really until about March or April of 2007. Now, I won't speak for you, but for me, that was too long to wait. I was planning on waiting to see the PS3 before buying either one, but when the release was delayed from Spring 2006 to Fall 2006 back in January of this year, I made the jump and bought a 360. Have not been disappointed at all. And seeing as most of the games I enjoy are going to be cross-platofrm titles like sports games and the Tom Clancy games, it was a no brainer for me. Get a 360, a couple games and a year of XBL and decide if you like it. If not, sell them back for store credit or on E-Bay at a small loss (consider it an extended rental). Then pick up a PS3 in 2007. Of course, it ain't my money, its yours, so do what you feel is best, but if you want the opinion of someone who once was going to wait for PS3 and is now perfectly content to stay with the 360 until PS3 proves it is worth the cash, I say go for it...
i was a sony fan mate but decided to look around the xbox side tryd it out never lookd back at my ps2 again ,,,, then i got a 360 ,,, WOW ,, i have playd on it every day since i got in in december 05 ,, THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH IT EITHER works fine ..... amazing stuff and yes ms have out done them selfs here ,,,
No xbox title is go to disrupt the ps3 launch. People will buy ps3 no matter what crap MS throws out.
Poor, poor "gametime". A typical Sony fanboy response. For the record, we already know that MS cannot really, "disrupt the ps3 launch". As you've most eloquently proven, Sony fanboys and early adopters will rush to buy the PS3's regardless of the price tag. The PS3 launch will be a "success" in terms of units being "sold out" at launch. However, the real console war begins in 2007 when the general consumer is ready to decide on which console will be best for them.
Its amazing how the xflop 1.5 looks the same or a lil better than your ps3 in a head to head 3rd party comparisson. lol... That is too funny. This is what we have been saying all along while you were bashing us and everyone else....We never say the ps3 will suck. We just said why wait when you can play next gen NOW. And save some well earned money. Thats all. Sony still hasn't released a list of launch games. Get a ps3 if there are games you want gametime. But what games do you want? No games are even close to being complete. Also keep in mind when a game is 95 % done...it takes at least a month or two to finalize once at that point. Most games takes years to develop unless its a sports game which they just recycle and upgrade the code. http://ps3.ign.com/articles...
Microsoft and XBox 360 don't have to do a damn thing to disrupt the PS3 launch or its long term success. The Sony executives are doing a bang-up job of that all on their own. All they have to do is focus on making games and getting them to market while the Sony team falls all over themselves in a mishmash of contradictions and wild statements. (My personal favorite was from the clown who actually said they could sell 5 Million units at launch with NO GAMES AT ALL. LMAO)
When the PS3 is finally available, people will make real-world comparisons. Until then, it's all speculation. I personally feel that aside from the higher 1080p resolution capability of the PS3 (which most American/European consumers will not be able to utilize), there will be no major noticeable difference between the two consoles...regarding graphics. The games that will really shine will be the exclusive titles and first-party titles that take advantage of the the console's full power. Then we can, "ooooo" and "ahhhhh" at the quality of the respective games. And if that's the case, then I know I've made the right decision with the 360. I have little interest in most of the first party and exclusive titles scheduled for the PS3. (Titles like "Metal Gear Solid" were ok back in the day...when I was tween. But I've grown up and can't deal with the moronic storylines, confusing dialog and idiotic plot twists). And don't get me started with the, "giant enemy crabs"! Sorry to get off topic.
Giant enemy crabs? will somebody tell me where you guy's come up with that. Really I wan't to know! is it from some Japanese game?.
Historically accurate Japanese battles....and here you see them fighting this giant enemy crab...ROFLMAO....love that love clip too (from post 26's reply) "Massive Damage" "Real Time Weapon Change" "Riiiiidge Raaaaacer"
To "DOLBY": The not-so inside joke with gaming enthusiasts, analysts and professional writers was this year's, Sony E3 Press Conference. (For a hilarious video summary of the press conference, check out, "You Tube" at http://www.youtube.com/watc... You'll understand the "giant enemy crabs" and "Riiidge Racerrr" joke after watching the video.
wow...that was funny. Gametime should get a kick out of that video.
Isn't he the guy who was fighting those giant enemy crabs? =0
really guys the resolution was complete crap for comparison. Just take the peoples word that both were basically the same. And it should be, it's Sonic, and if you want to compete with graphics your gonna have to wait till GTA5 or exclusives vs. exclusives
are you a sony fan?...... the 360 has the better gpu mate this is fact ,,,, what you mean games lik:: forza 2.....fable 2,.,...halo 3....... crackdown.......mass effect ,,,,, too human ,,,, the list go's on and on ... the ps3 is over hyped wake up smell the coffee sony fans ... sony fans are like gold fish they have a six second memmory so they keep forgeting how offten sony fuk them up the ar$e FACT!!
Omg! You barked at the wrong tree there. Paul C. is one damn xboxfanboy. lol Haha, it's funny how these xbots pick up fight with everyone.
nope sorry i'm no fanboy. Where in my comment did I come across to support Sony or Microsoft. Derrr Also the guy above me your an idiot. I support the companies that deliver. I've only been upset over a few minor problems with 360 games, but totally broadsided by Sony's arrogance. I may get a PS3, but that'll depend in the next 5 years.
That vid is great!! lol. Totally true as well. "Real time weapon change". OMG!......... Or not. Giant Enemy Crab. "Riiiidge Raceeeer" HAHA soz sony peeps but that was hilarious.
I get it!!!. lol
Shut the hell up dumbass.To let you know MS showed you cgi videos of forza and fable at E3 06. Crackdown sucks no one has even heard of the crap and what a disappiontment too human is It looks like a dreamcast game well since its on the dreamcast 360 I guess it should.
I cant wait to see how dissapointed you will be with your PS3. You are an idiot Gametime, a complete idiot. Everyone here agrees the two consoles look the same, so you are basically saying your PS3 will look like the Dreamcast too, since the 360 and PS3 are identical. The only difference is I have been playing my Dreamcast 1.5 for 7 months now, you will be waiting another year before you can get your hands on one. Dont be mad at us, we are happy, we want you to be too.
Yes but they also never said it was ingame (Fable 2) and the Forza 2 trailer was using the in game assets, just pimped put with extra effects and cameras angles to make it more flashy; theres a short video on it somewhere. So while being a CGI video, the models and textures are taken from the game...unlike Killzone 2 matey. I just attacked your weakpoint, for massive damage.
gametime you are a gold fish lol!! crackdown was slated by some to be a better GAME then gta .... so for the cgi well ms did show 90% in game footage of games unlike sad old sony showing 90% of cgi videos again lol.. have you seen the in game footage of fetal inertea or what ever lol what a joke the dreamcast maneged better then that lol ... wake up gametime out of the sony trance lol
this is stupid the ps3 version and the xbox 360 version are identical, IGN's videos are the same for both consoles...
For months now they have been blathering on and on and on about how POWERFUL the CELL/RSX combo would be and how it would CRUSH "XBox 1.5" graphics and how Sony would DOMINATE the market again and how Blu-Ray would blow away HD-DVD, etc. , etc., etc. blah blah blah... But what happens now is the actual comparison videos start coming in between PS3 and XB360 running games (the same games) and guess what - they look about the same! if the 360 doesn't look BETTER that is. That in and of itself should not be shocking to anyone - but wait, wasn't PS3 going to "toally blow away anything on 360"? Wasn't I going to "weep when I see the beauty of the Cell/RSX combination"? I have seen. My eyes remain dry. It is what many sane people - and some XB360 fanboys - have been saying for months : there will NOT be a huge graphical difference between PS3 and the XB360. Technically the hardware is very closely macthed, even more so than on the XB and PS2. And then Blu-Ray movies debut and they do not even look as good as HD-DVD. Not only does a Blu-Ray palyer cost 2X the HD-DVD player, but for all that extra cash you get about 3/4 of the performance! It is a Sony theme - "Buy our stuff - It may be more expensive by a wide margin, But it is at least more than half as good!". What makes this all so funny is that ignorant, blind fanboys like gametime/ssj04 will STILL come in here and swear up and down that PS3 is the greatest thing ever; and that the 3rd party titles can't be used for comparisons, and that PS3 will rule them all. He (gametime/ssj04) is actually starting to sound a lot like Gollum - which gives a very creepy visual, when you read one of his posts/rants/wastes of bandwidth and can only picture a slimy green dude drooling on his Viao keyboard, and talking to a PS3 picture cut out of a magazine article, all the while calling it his "precious" <cold shiver down my spine>)
no fable and forza were cgi moron you xbots will believe anything MS says but when sony says something its a lie.Joe mutt stfu fanboy and stop crying if you are so happy go play xbox 1.5 idiot.I see that you are dissapionted with your xflop 1.5 that you have nothing better to do than come here and hate on ps3.
strange you on the xbox 360 forum spreding hate on ms and 360 hmmmm ...... go away gold fish boy with a 6 second memmory lol
@ Gametime You are talking about 2 games that didn't had ingame footage. So what's the deal. Sony only uses CGI d*mbsh*t And if they don't it looks like PS2, go watch the difference between CGI Motorstorm @ E3 2005 and the latest ingame footage and Warhawk hahahaaa So where's the great Killzone 2 CGI now ssj? Our XBOX 1.5 is always more then totally nothing you have. There is no PS, besides the PSZero Go watch yourself now ssj http://www.pwned.nl