Rapelay Bad? It's Only the Tip of the Iceberg

Split-screen.com: "It's been going on for months. Illusion Soft's Rapelay was released in 2006 but has been in the spotlight of controversy after some one posted it on Amazon. Lo and behold as British Parliament MP Keith Vaz declares his devotion towards preventing any commercial sale of Rapelay outside Japan (though a quick peek at any torrent site reveals it's availability). It's easy to be offended by a game whose concept revolves around raping a family of women, one of them being much below the age of consent. But the controversy and subsequent banning of Rapelay is especially ironic when you take into consideration the amount of explicit "fantasy" material that actually reaches the mainstream. And we sure as hell aren't talking about Illusion Soft's very own Battle Raper series."

[The_Zeitgeist]

This reminds me of the "Hot Coffee" controversy. It really is a small little mostly unknown thing yet its getting blown up by gamers. Careful everyone do you really want to give Fox News some more BS to spew?

[Nike]

It's just really amazing how some thing small will get beaten up so long as it has the "video game" moniker next to it while other violent shows and movies are ignored.

[Trollimite]

id rather the people who play these types of games, play a rape game, rather than rape a real person.

but thats just me

[Tempist]

Oh boy, it's official; gaming journalism has absolutely nothing better to report on that Non-issue game realated news. Yes it's been condoned, yes everyone knows about it. NO YOU CAN"T GET IT OUTSIDE JAPAN (easily).

Lets drop the issue and move on. Tabloid journalism does not help the case for games or journalists trying to do a decent, worthy, honourable job of reporting.

[Trollimite]

its either write about a rape game

or

write a positive ps3 article.

and god knows they wont do the second one!

[RememberThe357]

But our approaches are not making it seem that way.

I personally can't write this off by just saying "well there are movies that do it so video games should be allowed to do it too". I don't think any entertainment medium should have this content allowed. I think that as gamers we need to hold ourself and our hobby to a higher standard.

I read your guys comments and it just seems to me that you guys are spending too much time defending video games in general and not focusing on the issue as a whole. Glorifying/profiteering off rape.

That just my interpretation of the situation...

[rockleex]

if you want to ban rape in games. ^_^

[xabmol]

I just wish people would stop beating this dead horse.

[Rex7000]

this is pointless people been knowing just stop with news like this u are only encourage the write 2 put up more useless news about stuff we been knowing

[Nike]

Out of curiousity, which is more preferable: Watching fantasy rape or actually playing it?

[LeonSKennedy4Life]

I can't imagine someone enjoying either.

I call that hitting rock bottom.

[Nike]

Must be the first requirement for getting a job at Illusion Soft then.

[Gue1]

Then you two should quit gaming forever seeing that you two are so much into morality...

Killing so many people in virtual worlds leaving so many families without fathers, mothers, cousins, etc... Games turn you into bloodthirsty killers!

If you had a child that got kidnapped and the kidnappers give you an option: Do you want it dead or raped? What would you chose? Lol

I make fun of this because in the same way you kill people in games and you don't do it in real life, why can't you rape girls in games while not do it in real life? I mean, this will not change a thing, a rapist is a rapist even if he play a rapist game or not.

In the same way people defend games saying that killing people in games doesn't turns you into a murderer, a game about rape will not turn you into a rapist.

[Nike]

That's funny. I didn't see many tiny little Replica children crying to a Replica mommy when I murdered their fathers/brothers/cousins/uncle s in F.E.A.R. the other day. Ditto for the countless demons slain in Devil May Cry.

[Gue1]

When soldiers murders people in war they don't see the fathers and mothers crying over the dead bodies most of the time...

If you play rapelay you would know that the girls actually want to be raped. There are scenes in trains full of people you know, they could scream if they are so scare. All these in reference to the tiny little details we're talking about.

Most of the scenes in the game are based in sexual fantasies from japanese people. A lot of people in the US and ni America always say that they want to have sex in the beach while mots japanese want to have sex in public places like in the train.

Their way of thinking is very different from us. Where else would you find cartoon porn with tentacles? Have you ever seen "Hardo Gay"? And the way the guy interacts with little kids? That program would be banned in the US and the guy would be in jail right now but it is completely normal in most places in Asia.

[Nike]

True. Good point.

I'm not so sure if these girls want to be raped in Rapelay (i haven't played the game, so I wouldn't know) but the devs have definitely created that same ambiance found in most hentai doujins and anime. The girl may say she's not enjoying it, she may be crying but all the same, she looks to be enjoying. Which is far different from any representation of rape in Europe or America (like The Accused, for example).

I do agree their way of thinking is very different but at times it borders on the irrational. At one point I think they outlawed hardcore porn so they invented bukkake to compensate. They allow stuff like Rapelay but games like Dead Space got banned. They don't allow guns to be carried around by any one other than the police yet some of the most violent movies (Battle Royale), manga (Gantz) and anime (Black Lagoon) have come from their obsession with guns and grit.

On that note though: Did you know child abuse isn't even a crime here in India? :(

[LeonSKennedy4Life]

Gamers murder in video games...because it's fake. It doesn't feel like real murder. It doesn't simulate a real murder. Even if it did, murder is not a problem here. Murderers are going to play those game no matter what.

Why would somebody play a game based around raping other than to fantasize about raping someone? Seriously...why would they play it?

That puts potential rapists out on the streets.

You'd understand if you just thought about it long enough.

It's not an issue of which one we'd rather have happen...murder or rape.

It's a widespread problem. Rape is not something people need to be simulating. It makes guys REALLY want to rape these girls.

How can you possibly stand for this?

[Nike]

On the surface, this argument - violent games don't encourage people to murder while rape games encourage guys to rape - doesn't apply equally to both cases.

There are several more factors to consider with murder - family, society, the law are all virtual and have no effect in the gaming world. But with rape, it all affects our morales and ethics. The girl is on the screen, yes. The tears aren't real, she's not real, but we are and we're doing some thing despicable, right? I don't know about the whole "aversive therapy" argument of simulated rape but it's definitely wrong, even to fantasize about it.

[AngryTypingGuy]

I suppose as a matter of free speech I support peoples' right to make and play the game, but just because you can doesn't mean you should.

When you kill in videogames, most of the time it leads to an objective, like saving the world or rescuing somebody, or stopping a zombie virus from spreading. I don't see much entertainment value in virtual raping.

[Defectiv3_Detectiv3]

STOP COMPARING RAPE TO KILLING A BAD GUY. THAT IS SUCH A STUPID COMPARISON! IN VIDEOGAMES YOU KILL B A D G U Y S, NOT INNOCENT GIRLS CRYING FOR YOU TO STOP!

MAYBE IF YOU WERE TO, LIKE, SAY, RAPE A LOCUST FROM GEARS (BAD GUY), THAT WOULDN'T BE SO BAD. BUT THE NEGATIVE ACTION IN RAPELAY IS PERPETRATED AGAINST AN INNOCENT - TOTALLY DIFFERENT STORY! THAT IS WHY YOU CAN'T COMPARE RAPELAY TO (INSERT VIOLENT GAME HERE).

RAPELAY GIVES THE IMPRESSION THAT RAPE IS AOK, AND THAT'S JUST WRONG. RAPE IS A SILENT EPIDEMIC. UNLIKE MURDER MOST WOMEN ARE ASHAMED TO COME FOWARD FOR FEAR OF HUMILIATION, SO THESE CRIMES GO UNPUNISHED AND UNNOTICED BY SOCIETY.

NOW GTA ON THE OTHER HAND, AT LEAST LETS YOU DECIDE WETHER OR NOT YOU WANT TO HARM INNOCENT BYSTANDARDS. IT IS THE SAME THING FOR ONLINE GAMING.

AND MOVIES DON'T COUNT EITHER. I HAVE YET TO SEE A MOVIE THAT GLORIFIES RAPE. THE CLOSEST YOU COULD SAY WOULD BE DEE SNIDER'S TWISTED, BUT NOBODY LIKED THAT RETARED P.O.S. ANYWAYS.

DO YOU NOT REALIZE THAT YOU ARE CONDONING RAPE? AND WHY, BECAUSE YOUR AFRAID SOMEBODY MIGHT BE TAKING A CHEAP SHOT AT YOUR PRECIOUS VIDEOGAMES? GROW UP MAN, SERIOUSLY, GROW THE F UP.

AND YES I KNOW IM TYPING IN CAPS, ITS BECAUSE WHAT I HAVE TO SAY IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN EVERYONE ELSE(LOUD NOISES)

[zagibu]

There are hundreds of games where you don't kill the bad guys (GTA series, Kane and Lynch, Hitman, etc.). Stop trying to hide behind that. Fact is: virtual murder is tolerated, virtual rape not. Is this ok? Maybe, I don't know. But really, I don't se people playing rape games to actually go out and rape real women afterwards...I don't see why people should be unaffected by virtual killing, but not by virtual raping. Care to explain?

[Defectiv3_Detectiv3]

And you didn't even bother to read my arguement, or you are just too stupid to comprehend. Generally, videogames pit you against EVIL DOERS, BAD GUYS, i.e. PEOPLE WHO DESERVE TO BE KILLED.

NAZI'S, MONSTERS, ALIENS, TERRORISTS, ETC. - deserved to be killed

I did not believe it was possible for somebody to be so naive. Obviously you don't understand the difference between glorification and exploitation. You are just trying to go for the easy arguement, and frankly, your out of your league if you think that arguement holds a candle to my own.

Rapelay gives the impression that Rape is acceptable. It forces the player to engage in illicit acts as a means to progress in the game. You rape little girls while they cry and beg you to stop.

Now, while in Kane and Lynch, you do kill innocent people, you're playing as a psycopath. While your character is having a psychotic episode you kill innocent people in a night club because you're hallucinating! Kane and Lynch doesn't glorify murder of innocence. It exploits it, but its not like the key gameplay mechanic involves murdering the innocent.

The only way K+L glorifies killing were if you idolized sociopathic behavior, which is obviously not the case. K+L are antiheros, flawed protagonists. They're actions aren't necessarily right.

GTA is another example of exploitation. You don't have to kill innocent people in the game unless you choose to. You can beat the game w/o taking a single innocent life.

100s of games where you don't kill the bad guys? You named 2 of em. You are obviously stretching on this one. You might want to look into getting a catscan cuz im pretty sure you might be clinically retarded. Or at least, you would have to be to defend rape.

To close my arguement, I will leave you w/ some of LEONSKENNEDY'S remarks. He seems to be the only other logical thinking person on this board.

"Gamers murder in video games...because it's fake. It doesn't feel like real murder. It doesn't simulate a real murder. Even if it did, murder is not a problem here. Murderers are going to play those game no matter what.

Why would somebody play a game based around raping other than to fantasize about raping someone? Seriously...why would they play it?

That puts potential rapists out on the streets.

You'd understand if you just thought about it long enough.

It's not an issue of which one we'd rather have happen...murder or rape. "

[BULLETBOI]

Rapelay is just another game which no one is ever to going to play. It will never be allowed got to US cuz, even games have standards that they should aleast be aware off. Morally, its bad but people might even learn a thing or two from it if they play it....

[Pixel_Addict]

by bringing this video game more attention it is only attracting more people's interests. How many thousand gamers haven't even heard of this crap before N4G users posted this?

Besides, then the argument against the game can be upheld against ANY violent video game? Shooting random people in the streets of GTA is ok? Or how about killing an entire village of Africans in Resident Evil 5? The whole argument for video game censorship is that people who play violent games are adversely effected. So in other words... if rape video games make you want to rape, then I suppose people who play war games really are dangerous bloodthristy sociopaths.

[Dark General]

Damn it. This is about the third or fourth article or review i've read that mentioned Shigurui being much to violent for the sake of being violent along with other detesting scenes. See i don't have a problem with gory sword fights. It's the whole women killing and rape thing that's turned me off from this anime. And i was so looking forward to catching it on Blu Ray. Guess i'll just buy Paprika instead.

[Nike]

Yeah, Shigurui is pretty intense even without all the gore from the fights. One example: A man rips off a female's body part during intercourse and eats it. I'll let you guess which part but you won't like the answer. As such, it is beautifully animated (according to Ravi, the author of this article) but even for one with a strong stomach, some of the gore does appear very pointless.

[Dark General]

Yeah i remember seeing a trailer for it on Funi's website and it looked really good. Plus it was coming to Blu Ray which was a plus. But then i started reading a little more about it and i hear alot about the rape/cannibalism stuff. That's the turn off. As much as i love Samurai anime and how gorgeous the animation looks i'll be passing on this one. Besides my girlfriend would be on my ass about seeing something like this. Ninja Scroll and Basilisk was about as much as she could stomache as far as intensity goes.

[Nike]

Basilisk is a walk in Willy Wonka's chocolate factory compared to Shigurui. You could try Kurozuka if you're looking for sword fighting an offbeat treatment. I only checked out two episodes but it's still stuck in my head. And it looks pretty damn good, almost as much as Shigurui. :)

[FantasyStar]

You can always follow the good ol' saying. "Different Strokes for Different Folks"

[Dark General]

Just read a little bit about it. Sounds interesting i'll have to check it out when it makes it over here. I like a variety of different anime though even mindf**ks like BoogiePop Phantom which i would suggest to you if you liked Death Note. Or pretty much anything by Satoshi Kon (Paranoia Agent, Paprika, Perfect Blue) to name a few.

@Fantasy Star: I know what you mean. I'm not really trying to call out anyone who would enjoy such a anime. I'm just stating it has some elements in it that doesn't sit well with me.

[RememberThe357]

That last episode pissed me off. Majorly. I loved the series, but I have never hated a fictional character as much as I hated that guy...

If you don't know what I'm talking about, watch the anime on Veoh.com.

[Dark General]

I actually loved the ending to Berserk. Who you're referring to i liked him over Guts. It was something else to watch that ending. Really food for thought.

[RememberThe357]

but it was the evil guy in the last episode, and what he did to Casca, that pissed me off. I wanted to jump into my computer screen and kick his ass. I seriously felt for Guts. Life kicked his ass at every turn. It really was one of the best ending the a series that I've ever seen.

I didn't really like the Griffith, but I didn't hate him. Guts and Casca however, are two of my favorite characters ever. I actually bought the first volume of the Manga, and it's fantastic. I gotta get on some more of those.

[Dark General]

Yeah i liked Guts and Casca as well but i just liked Griffith more. Judeau is who i felt terrible for in the end. Giving up his life and never saying how he really felt.

[2Negativecool]

This game promotes illegal behavior such as rape and murder about as much as the GTA series does.

Not at all.

End of fvcking story.

[XxZxX]

this crap will never end...

[ShiftyLookingCow]

why the cr*p is this "game" still on the front page? booring

[FantasyStar]

Let this **** die already. Enough with the backwards double-standards and leave anime the **** alone. Regardless, good submit Nike. **** Split-screen.

[Nike]

My friend works at Split-Screen.

^_^;;

Anyway, we love anime, no issues there. Just noting the hypocrisy of some people to hate on games for any which reason (violence, rape) when other media contain far worse.

Different strokes, different people though. No harm done. :)

[FantasyStar]

Tell your friend that by comparing anime accordingly, he is inviting a wave of storm that borders along the controversy such as gay marriage, or abortion. Unless your friend is willing to go to such lengths to explore such a deeply-rooted topic like free-speech, then it's not something to blog lightly about. Such things are better left up to GamePolitics or Gamasutra that can do actual interviews with their creators to bring something new to the table instead of a glorified summary.

Even though you guys already acknowledge the good ol' saying: your friend is making himself to look like the other sites trying to get hits out of an already controversial game and this IS a gaming site: guess what we're going to look at first.

What angers me is that the article tries to debunk this by comparing it with movie media and the hypocrisy. I do agree that that we have backwards standards when it comes to the video game rating system and the movie rating system, but this article did not reference equally controversial movies like Borat, Dogma, Harry Potter movies/books, and even Forrest Gump to a certain extent (the ability to alter historical footage).

The article makes us gamers look like an closed-minded ignorant bunch that only looks at the key American topics like Violence vs. Sex vs. Drugs. By glorifying games like Rapelay and constantly bringing it up with no new information to add, sites like Split-screen is only demonizing the gamers that much more like a bunch of desperate bunch looking for scapegoats. (anime, previous movies, etc.)

If Split-screen looked at pop culture critically, took all the aspects of American values and contrasted that with progressive gamer values: mixed with a topic on ethnocentrism, the progressive liberal gamer stereotype and the lack of knowledge of the mainstream media on video games/anime. I would actually recommend this article and not have acted the way I did cause now we're thinking critically and observing the situation from both sides rather than just one.

By writing the article like it is, it's looks to be a personal bias and a vendetta that most mainstream media would file under the "whiny bunch" of video gamers and fall under the radar quickly. We don't need to whine, we need a group of people willing to dig in, do some serious research, and conduct much study as to defend video games from the media, and defend anime equally should this article continue to use anime to defend against the American value hypocrisy. Cause I guarantee that in a round-table discussion of "us" versus "them": the idea of free-speech will come up and anime and video games will be grouped together. If Split-screen (your friend) cannot dedicate this kind of effort on behalf of all of us gamers, then they should just GTFO cause they're not helping the situation any better than any random N4G'er here can.

I respect places like Gamasutra and GamePolitics because they're proven they're willing to work hard and use their resources and reputation as journalists to produce information like referencing developer interviews, doing actual interviews, videos and well-researched articles that's new, relevant, and fair with numbers, facts, statistics, and expert opinion.

Don't forget that there are plenty of wannabe-journalists that claim to be experts of our gaming culture. By doing a poor job of writing quality articles, split-screen and the dozens of other wannabe-outlets are making us gamers look bad and that's where the real damage is done.

[z1ck]

downloaded this game yesterday and it was a waste of time the game sucks . anyway manhunt 2 was accepted in my country uncensored so this game would also be accepted .

[Information Minister]

Lighten up... It's a freaking videogame! Its supposed to let you do crazy f***** up stuff that you would never be able/willing to do in real life. This is just getting blown out of proportion by politicians with their own agendas.

[Sangria]

I've played Rapelay and there is nothing new here. Japaneses have fetishes like molesting, schoolgirls, nurses, etc... The game just offer the possibility to do it, but it's still a low cost old-gen porn game. Even Jenna Jameson's game is more evolved.

Plus Japan has another approach to porn than in occident. To western people, lolicons may look like pedophiles while they don't violate laws in Japan, as the characters are not real. There is also only in Japan that you can find used panties vendor machines.

There is also the bi-annual convention Comiket where you can find dôjins, which are generally (but not obligately) pornographic, and Japan is the biggest creator of amateur ero-games, created with CG sets.

The Rapelay case is exactly the same as violence in video games. We can kill thousands of lives in one minutes with games like Dynasty Warriors, we can log aliens with a chainsaw and seeing their intestines trickle, we can behead people with one single shot, and that kind of games sells millions through the world without making millions of serial killers, so why old-tech games like Rapelay would be a criminal shame?

[Reibooi]

This is exactly what needs to be said. Rapelay is such a big deal to people for some reason because it is a game. Even though there are movies and properties out there like the ones mentioned in the article that are just as bad if not worse.

It's not culture either. I notice both example the writer gave are from Japanese creators however we recently saw the release of The Last House On The Left remake which has a absolutely appalling rape scene and is made in the US.

Had Rapelay been a film or something other then a game there would have never been a problem which is sad because there are things out there far far worse however not only are they easily obtainable for a child but they are ever backed by huge corporate sponsors who are doing nothing but profit from them.

[flipm725]

these kind if games are retarded anyway

[flipm725]

my friends used to play this and I would just watch them with an "uhhh" expression on my face.

[Flewid638]

Killing is no longer the worst crime? According to? It's funny how we can make games that allow us to torture, mutilate, mame, and kill RANDOM people.....but a forced f*ck is "going too far."

Look.........ALL of these things are unacceptable in real life. It's a friggin GAME. I swear, people have their morals all f*cked up.

[Defectiv3_Detectiv3]

STOP COMPARING RAPE TO KILLING A BAD GUY. THAT IS SUCH A STUPID COMPARISON! IN VIDEOGAMES YOU KILL B A D G U Y S, NOT INNOCENT GIRLS CRYING FOR YOU TO STOP!

MAYBE IF YOU WERE TO, LIKE, SAY, RAPE A LOCUST FROM GEARS (BAD GUY), THAT WOULDN'T BE SO BAD. BUT THE NEGATIVE ACTION IN RAPELAY IS PERPETRATED AGAINST AN INNOCENT - TOTALLY DIFFERENT STORY! THAT IS WHY YOU CAN'T COMPARE RAPELAY TO (INSERT VIOLENT GAME HERE).

RAPELAY GIVES THE IMPRESSION THAT RAPE IS AOK, AND THAT'S JUST WRONG. RAPE IS A SILENT EPIDEMIC. UNLIKE MURDER MOST WOMEN ARE ASHAMED TO COME FOWARD FOR FEAR OF HUMILIATION, SO THESE CRIMES GO UNPUNISHED AND UNNOTICED BY SOCIETY.

NOW GTA ON THE OTHER HAND, AT LEAST LETS YOU DECIDE WETHER OR NOT YOU WANT TO HARM INNOCENT BYSTANDARDS. IT IS THE SAME THING FOR ONLINE GAMING.

AND MOVIES DON'T COUNT EITHER. I HAVE YET TO SEE A MOVIE THAT GLORIFIES RAPE. THE CLOSEST YOU COULD SAY WOULD BE DEE SNIDER'S TWISTED, BUT NOBODY LIKED THAT RETARED P.O.S. ANYWAYS.

DO YOU NOT REALIZE THAT YOU ARE CONDONING RAPE? AND WHY, BECAUSE YOUR AFRAID SOMEBODY MIGHT BE TAKING A CHEAP SHOT AT YOUR PRECIOUS VIDEOGAMES? GROW UP MAN, SERIOUSLY, GROW THE F UP.

AND YES I KNOW IM TYPING IN CAPS, ITS BECAUSE WHAT I HAVE TO SAY IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN EVERYONE ELSE(LOUD NOISES)

[Timesplitter14]

1- What about killing normal guys in GTA? Even in Burnout in car crashes.

2- Does Clockwork Orange give the impression that rape is ok? (and killing for GTA?). The bad guys in Clockwork Orange are the ones trying to cure him.

3- Don't tell me you never killed anyone in GTA. You tried it voluntarily several times, I'm sure. Does that mean you enjoy killing? no.

4- Why wouldn't movies count?

5- No one's condonning rape. The only thing I hate with a passion is censorship because it makes people become retarded and irresponsible. It makes them think they're in a beautiful world and they just have to follow everything the State tells them to do. I'd never play this game, but that's MY moral responsibility. Even playing the game wouldn't be immoral. It's not as simple as that. It depends on WHY you play the game. The State can't just act like a forced moral conscience. WE decide, and if people decide they wanna play this game, and they'd actually want to do this in real life, THEY'RE FILTH, THEY'RE CANCEROUS GARBAGE, THEY'RE GEORGE BUSH'S TOILET PAPER.

But don't you EVER encourage censorship. Remember that people love to do forbidden stuff.

[Defectiv3_Detectiv3]

In Clockwork, you aren't meant to idolize the Droogs. The fact that you did not make that connection is disturbing.

There call ANTIHEROES you fool. They are flawed protagonists. You aren't meant to identify w/ them. They aren't trying to glorify their heinous acts, unlike Rapelay, which rewards gamers for committing rape!

And you obviously missed the whole point of A Clockwork Orange. Stanley Kubrick was trying to make a statement about society, he was not condoning anarchy you D*mbass!

Same goes for GTA. It isn't necessary to kill innocent civillians in that game. Personally, I think GTA is irresponsible and it gives gaming a bad name, but its not like the point of the game is to go on a murdering spree. Its just as much a side effect of having an open world game.

And wake up already! Stop regurgitating things you've heard just because you think they sound good. CENSORSHIP is necessary. You might not realize it, but there are conditions on freedom of speech!

a. You cannot use freedom of speech to harm anyone(i.e. exposing little kids to mature content)

b. You cannot use your freedom of speech to hinder anyone elses freedom of speech!

[Timesplitter14]

The things I've heard is that censorship is necessary. The things I thought by myself is that censorship is the sole wrong for which I cannot forgive humanity.

What's that about freedom of speech? I'm saying we should abolish censorship. Do I harm people or hinder someone else's freedom of speech by saying that? And if there are conditions, doesn't that mean it's not freedom anymore?

And yeah I know about Clockwork Orange. It wasn't a good example, and I can't find any other right now. Maybe you're right and there are no movies that do this, but I don't see how that would change anything.

Also, I'd like to hear what you have to say about killing people in GTA (what I said earlier in point 3). You have killed some citizen on purpose in this game. It's almost certain. What exactly made you do this? Does it really mean you'd want to be a killer in real life?

[Defectiv3_Detectiv3]

What is that supposed to mean!? Humanity is capable of far worse things than censorship. As a matter of fact, we use censorship to cover up those things, which is the point I think you're trying to get at. However, it is not as if censorship would go away so would the things that are covered up by it.

We all know the dangers of censorship, the dangers of being overprotective. As with most things in life, there are pros and cons. Its almost cliche to bring that up in an arguement.

With a lack of censorship you can do all sorts of damage. Just look at the internet and all of the false claims that are made on it(i.e. Sept11 was a conspiracy, The holocaust is fake, Aids is man made). W/O censorship people would be allowed to make all sorts of false claims - (Character Defamtion is illegal -that is a form of censorship)

And regardless of whether or not I have killed innocents in GTA, that doesn't mean that GTA is glorifying murder of innocents. Don't get me wrong, GTA walks a fine line, but there's a reason when you start killing people in GTA the cops start coming after your. There is a clear line between right and wrong, one that doesn't exist in RAPELAY.

And as far as FREEDOM goes, whether you realize it or not, you pay a price for Freedom. The notion that freedom comes w/o sacrafice is downright false. We don't live in some fantasy world were everything is equal.

FREEDOM MEANS COMPROMISE. FREEDOM means saying alright, well let you put tougher restrictions on alcohol consumption but you have to bring the tax on alcoholic bev. down, or every person has the right to operate a car but they must be insured.

[xino]

The game is also racist!

Shows a white man's hand trying to reach for the mother's breast:P

[Timesplitter14]

I don't get it

[Timesplitter14]

Don't ban anything. I have a better solution : Robocop (seriously).

Are they stupid? Why does NO country on this planet have this? Create a special armor-suited police division that instantly kills any rapist, robber, etc... on sight. They'd also be trained to say one-liners like ''sweet dreams'' with a robotic voice after each kill.

After a year, no more rapists

[lizard81288]

we need Charles Bronson on the case.(go watch death wish, those movies are awesome)
he'd **** up the bad guys big time.

(go to 1:00 in the video clip)

[Tru_Blu]

This game has no place anywhere. Only thing IMO worse is if someone made a 'be the hijacker on 9/11' game. And I'm sure they have it somewhere. Hell remember the assassinate JFK game and that sh1tstorm? Some things should be left alone.

[lizard81288]

i like how we are talking about this game now, instead of 2006, when it came out