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Missed Opportunities: Lionhead Could Have Made LittleBigPlanet

Kotaku: "Peter Molyneux still wouldn't give up the goods on his new game at the "Lionhead Experiment Revealed" panel, but he did give us a glimpse into how Lionhead let LittleBigPlanet slip through their fingers.

The studio that brought us Black & White and the Fable games has a creative process called "experiments" where anybody in the company can take a stab at developing a game mechanic or a piece of technology to be used in a future Lionhead game. The process sounds a bit more rigorous than Bungie pre-Halo 3; but it yields some pretty interesting results.

Molyneux showed off some of these experiments - ones that worked and ones that didn't quite pan out. We saw two prototypes of the dog from Fable II: the first was a rewards system where you could pet the dog a la Nintendogs (which Lionhead eventually chucked; and the second was a mechanic of having the dog run ahead of the player instead of following behind (the status quo in the final game).

We also saw a host of technical developments - like an aging system that applies a layer of wear and tear to everything in the world (murderizes the rendering rates), and a one-button combat system where the computer decides how the character attacks based on proximity to a target (which sort of made it into Fable II).

But the most interesting thing was a "tech demo" called "The Room" - made with love by Alex, Mark and Dave. As in Mark Healey, Alex Evans, Dave Smith - three out of the four guys that formed Media Molecule which went on to make LittleBigPlanet."

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Lord Shuhei Yoshida5503d ago

And they did'nt so its their loss.They only made one decent game for 360 that had a broken co-op,poor story direction,and overpriced DLC.

GiantEnemyCrab5503d ago (Edited 5503d ago )

Yeah, take it from a guy who knows nothing about Fable besides what he reads on the internet.

So what direction did the story take that you thought was poor?

The CoOp was never broken, it just was not what everyone wanted/expected. Overpriced DLC? You mean the 1 piece of DLC out for the game. How was that overpriced?? I agree their pub games XBLA game should of been free but you didn't have to buy it and could play all those pub games inside Fable 2 without having to purchase it.

I really enjoyed Fable and Fable 2, the latter even more. I thought it was one of the best RPG's of 08 next to Fallout 3.

pswi605503d ago

doesn't he sound like Zhuk crab?

but you like Zhuk, don't you....

sunnygrg5503d ago

I dont think Lionhead is capable of LBP.

ActionBastard5503d ago

I owned Fable 2 and yes, co-op was broken. The $10 3hr DLC was/is a rip off and it was one of the only RPGs I've played without dying. Def better than Fable, but that's not saying much.

LeonSKennedy4Life5503d ago

Lionhead USED to be capable of LBP...but a lot of their talent has left.

Media Molecule is full of sheer geniuses. I'm so excited for Ragdoll Kung Fu: Fists of Plastic on the PSN!

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BGDad5503d ago

Sorry I know little kids like it but if you are grown man playing this you have some serious issues... Sorry.. I know it hurts..

Elven65503d ago

A grown man playing a M rated game? You considering that bad? hunh????

Sharpshell5503d ago (Edited 5503d ago )

but I daresay it wouldn't have been the same game. You can tell if you follow MM at all and the flood of awards they have received over LBP that its a a company of a few induviduals (i think i have heard 60) every single one who really contributed to the game on a huge level.

edit: if you disagree please tell me why? You think that LBP would be the same game? What if MM made Fable 2... would it be the same game?

spunnups5503d ago

here's an agree and a bubble for you and the guy below me to counter the phantom disagreer's

Sharpshell5503d ago (Edited 5503d ago )

thanks for being cool on N4g... its rare these days... have a bubble

edit: also anyone has seen this video (i have) will know how different it is from LBP

Jinxstar5503d ago (Edited 5503d ago )

They could have made it for PS3 only because MS wont allow User generated content or anything free on live.

Disagree if you want but I still have the Titan Pack... among other things...

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Most Offensive Video Games That Would Never Cut It Today

Times are changing, and these games would have never been made in today's climate.

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thorstein36d ago (Edited 36d ago )

Every single time someone uses this phrase whether it's music, movies, books, comics, video games, etc it's always the same claim.

The ubiquitous "they" won't allow it to be made. And every decade these claims are made the claimant completely ignores all the "offensive" material that is published when the claim is made.

In ten years, you can write a new article about how you can't make games like Helldivers 2, Resident Evil VIII, Mortal Kombat I, Dragon's Dogma 2, Alan Wake 2 etc etc etc any more.

MrBaskerville36d ago

Yeah, people wouldn't be constantly outraged if there weren't games that people found enraging. The whole SBI discourse shit wouldn't be a thing if all games were inoffensive. A game like Starfield can make a guy froth at his mouth, so there will always be room for a list like this.

0hMyGandhi35d ago

Normally, I'd be inclined to agree with you, but there are massive caveats.
TV shows like Venture Bros, Ren and Stimpy, and Aqua Team wouldn't/couldn't be made today. Hell, Ren and Stimpy was a *children's* show, same thing with Rocko's Modern Life.

It's not for some arbitrary reason, either. It's branding and IP alignment. Companies are far more risk-averse than they were when I was kid in the 90's. Of course, you have companies coming out of the woodwork to hell spur on similar content, but remember: Cartoon Network and Nickelodeon and some incredibly provocative material.

And for movies? it's pretty obvious. American Pie/Wedding Crashers/Eurotrip among many other "raunch coms" have fallen out of style, and are absolutely outside what the modern day film industry is willing to stand by.
Ace Ventura 1 and 2, Dumb and Dumber, Freddy Got Fingered, Rat Race, Harold and Kumar, and Van Wilder follow suit.

Remember: I am not explicitly talking about films put onto streamers. I am talking wide-releases in actual theaters. Same thing goes for games: Carmageddon, Duke Nukem, Manhunt, Six Days In Fallujah (with their original concept), Hatred, and so on and so forth. Of course, I'd be inclined to mention most tactical shooters like Rainbow Six and Joint Ops as well, due to cultural sensitivity regarding *who* you are shooting and why.

And not all of it is bad (obviously). Tastes change, and perspectives change to fit the demographic.
I should add that I'm a lefty, living in L.A. Working in film.

thorstein35d ago

The Boys, Invincible, Jojo Rabbit, Deadpool, Gen V, Last of Us, Banshee... There are plenty of media being made today that people will claim "can't be made today".

Profchaos35d ago

Yeah but if you consider manhunt which was basically a snuff film could you seriously make that game with high than PS2 era graphics.

thorstein35d ago

The Outlast Trials just came out.

But the storyline of Manhunt was that you were executed. But then lived. And if you didn't do as you were told, you'd die. And the people you killed were not innocents.

It was all filmed by a psychopath.

As we speak GTA VI is being finished up for a release. You get to play a Bonnie and Clyde type of protagonist who run up against the law.

Bodycam looks so real.

People are making those games. Articles like this will always exist no matter how incorrect they are, no matter how many times they blame "them" for whatever it is "they" do to prevent "those" games from being made.

Number1TailzFan35d ago

The UK is the biggest junk country pandering to that nonsense as well, with laws against free speech and expression to match. It got so bad even Rowan Atkinson made a video on free speech about it.

Now the UK raises the age rating on harmless films like Mary Poppins, it's just a load of pansy weak ass nonsense.

MrDead35d ago (Edited 35d ago )

The right wing Tories have been in power in the UK for the 14 years you know the ones that are "anti-woke", blame them for your perceptions.

Killer2020UK35d ago (Edited 35d ago )

Are these snowflakes in the room with us now?

This is more faux outrage designed to get hits. The consequences are unfortunately creating hysteria amongst those willing to buy into it and blame "them" or "the left" or "liberals" meanwhile the left are kicking off about genocide, actual real world abhorrent acts. Nobody is campaigning to censor this shit.

Huey_My_D_Long35d ago

Not too mention the fact that some of these game are controversial for you know, underage porn and encouraging rape.

So either the guy just came in to comment snowflakes without reading anything, or he is calling people snowflakes for having a problem with said titles. Crazy how much brain rot someone can have.

banger8836d ago

Dead Island: "The early PC version of the zombie game swapped the playable character Purna’s Gender Wars skill with a prototype name, which shouldn’t be mentioned directly. The skill name made fun of both Purna as a character and feminists."

"Feminist Whore" lmao

gold_drake36d ago

ill add one more to the list.
drakengard 1.

its ridiculous tho, especially since they'd still be able to find their place in alot of places in the world. except america of course ha. and maybe Australia.

ppl are so sensitive these days. ha. but it is what it is.

Barlos36d ago (Edited 36d ago )

They're not offensive.

And we need another Fat Princess. Fantastic little game!

Some people just have no sense of humour if this sort of thing offends them. They need to lighten up and stop taking themselves so seriously.

Deeeeznuuuts36d ago

Would love a new fat princess game 🤟

CantThinkOfAUsername36d ago

Games literally about sexual assault, mass genocide, bombing civilians, and school shooting. None of which is satirical.

isarai35d ago

Actually it's about fat princesses

Huey_My_D_Long35d ago (Edited 35d ago )

Its crazy that people are fixated on Fat princess when clearly the list is going over controversies, and not all of them are equal. Like way worse examples but pretend the entire list is like that.

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Top 20 Best PlayStation 3 Games (20-11)

Alex DS. from Link Cable Gaming writes: "Is the PlayStation 3 retro? This is a surprisingly hard question to answer as the system definitely has the age to be considered retro, having launched in 2006, over 15 years ago now. But with it being home to so many massive games, many of which still hold up today and in fact were released for the PlayStation 4 when that console was released, make the PS3 a retro console that doesn’t feel retro."

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shinoff2183722d ago

No ps3 is not retro. I dont even consider ps2 era retro. All imo.

shinoff2183722d ago

Typically, the term retro is given to items which are at least 20 years old (but not yet 40 years old).

Quick google search

badz149722d ago

No the PS3 is not yet a retro console. But if you're gonna put 1 game from a series in this list, then LBP2 should be there instead of the original, Motorstorm PR is also an overall better game than the 1st game and to put Tools of Destruction over A Crack in Time is a blasphemy when ACiT is the best game in the series.

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An update on the LittleBigPlanet server and online services

Classic LittleBigPlanet servers are to be shut down permanently following hacks.
Sony’s drastic move comes after months of downtime for the older games.

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darthv72953d ago

It was fun while it lasted. And some of the user created stuff was a blast to play with.

Snookies12953d ago

Whaaa-? That's crazy. Didn't expect it to be permanently shut down...

Teflon02953d ago

It's still up on PS4, they just shut down the PS3 end because hackers on PS3 can't be stopped and go on the game making announcements that can't be avoided without having to go back to all the old game codes and updating to remove the feature etc. It's one of those sad and garbage things where hackers ruined a good thing. I'm mostly sad about the Vita, I'm not sure if I have my music stages saved to my Vita, meaning they're gone forever if I didn't save them back to it. They were good too :(

Profchaos953d ago (Edited 953d ago )

Have to say I expected them to be permanently shut down problem would be in the underlying server architecture and possibly something like a depricated authentication protocol which has to be replaced that the PS3, PSP and vita can't support which is why they can't be securely restored on those consoles but the PS4 does support it.so lbp3 was restored on that.

Given the attackers were able to breach the server there was obviously a fear of lateral movement once inside their servers so I can't blame them for this and it makes sense despite the huge blow to the community millions of hours spent building that community.

Despite this blow I believe the millions of creations are going to be available via lbp3 and it's capability of backwards compatibility with user generated content so that's something to be thankful for still not a huge consolation to the many players who only own a older console but unfortunately that's the world we live in these games are old the older they get the more insecure the servers get which the company that make them.host them on and the more likely they need to be shut down.

MadLad953d ago (Edited 953d ago )

Feel bad for the people who dedicated so much time into this game.

Battlestar23953d ago

Nice edit to your troll comment.

MadLad953d ago (Edited 953d ago )

I reread the article, and changed it, to be as honest on the topic as possible.
Let's be real, it was an easy reaction to have considering their actions of late.

CaptainHenry916953d ago (Edited 953d ago )

He's been on a roll and it's comical 😁

RedDevils953d ago

This guy love stealth troll on playstation article as I see the pattern, but he doesn't want to admit that he's a MS fanboy.

Christopher953d ago

I am also sorry people enjoyed the online aspects of the game?

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TheRealTedCruz10h ago(Edited 10h ago)
Feel bad for the people who dedicated so much time into this game.***

I'm sorry for the PC fans port begging for Dreams to come to PC... You do realise that

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Little Big Planet 3 PS4 - PS Now PC gameplay
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LBP is on PS Now and PC right?? So less of the crocodile tears/crap when you stated PS Now was crap... Clue

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The man who earned a job by playing LittleBigPlanet
By GamesRadar Staff March 03, 2015
***“We've hired four people from the LBP community" reveals Alex Evans, co-founder of UK studio Media Molecule and creator of LittleBigPlanet. Including one lucky soul who dodged death to get a job on LBP2. Enter John Beech, or 'johnee' to his PSN friends. Two years ago John was a builder with absolutely no qualifications to speak of. But now? He's a full time designer at Media Molecule working on LittleBigPlanet 2, one of the most anticipated titles on PlayStation 3. This is his story.***

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Dreams players are being employed by game studios
DEVELOPERS INCLUDING MEDIA MOLECULE HAVE HIRED FROM THE COMMUNITY

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The CREATIVE CONSOLE creates JOBS... What are they using to Sculpt??

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the failure that is the MOVE controller. lolol

John_McClane953d ago

Why would anyone disagree with your statement? I don't get get it.

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John_McClane952d ago

@mikey15 Actually my comment was for TheRealTedCruz. There is absolutely no good reason for all those disagree votes.

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John_McClane9h ago
@mikey15 Actually my comment was for TheRealTedCruz. There is absolutely no good reason for all those disagree votes.***

lol
of course there is.. He was stealth trolling stating all LBP contributors wasted their time making levels for LBP... I pointed out that some of the contributors for LBP + Dreams have actually got JOBs because of the CREATIVE console. Just like Gran Turismo fans

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***Team GT Academy Competing at the Nürburgring 24hr This Weekend with Kazunori Yamauchi
May 18, 2012 (updated Mar 13, 2016) · News Article
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If you are so clever, step up and show me where I was wrong, or keep schtum and we'll see what a hero "John Mclane" actually is. lol

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Battlestar23953d ago

Understandable they had to do this better to be safe then sorry. I just wish those right wing racists that hacked the servers and started posting homophobic slurs would get want they deserve a good few decades in prison.

Profchaos953d ago (Edited 953d ago )

That's the thing I guess if it wasn't them it would just be someone else and we would still be in this position regardless of their intent.

darthv72953d ago

What are you going on about?

Profchaos953d ago

The attackers breached and manipulated the servers to place abusive messages all over the game ccontent https://www.ruetir.com/2021...

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