Apple fanboys are foaming at the mouth over the latest wave of Microsoft adverts which happen to point out that their over priced toys are more expensive than ordinary PCs.
Mmmm, great article. They did a good job of showing the bias and ignorance of those sites. Now for the onslaught of people making wild and ridiculous claims here to back up their love for a brand. (Note: The no Virus's argument is inherently pointless. Because the only real reason Mac's have a much less chance of virus's is because of it's percentage of use by the world. Hackers make virus's targeted towards the biggest audience. So they can maximize data retrieval and thus profit. If Mac's were the majority, hackers would be focusing on making virus's against them, instead of PC's. That's just how it works. Another small part being that you have less freedom with hardware/drivers on OS X, thus leaving less ways for a person to get themselves infected. Essentially treating you like an idiot who can't be trusted to do things right. On the topic of BSOD, that's in relation to the virus issue. Most BSOD's are a direct result of virus's. Most virus's can be prevented if a person does a little research on prevention instead of being lazy and thinking nothing will happen to them.)
Man I have never owned a Apple. Twice I have had a Virus. I have had the BSoD plenty (especially back in the day) You know why? I Do. Drivers.....not a freaking virus. I totally disagree with the BSoD virus theory you completely made up. Oh and BTW, I fix computers for a living (viruses included) and you totally pulled that out of your a$$ to make yourself feel better about owning a Windows computer. Apple's Computers are more stable, it is a known fact. Are they better? Hell No. (this is my opinion)
why did my first comment get deleted? u know what? it doesn't matter, that just proved it was the truth.
lol... The truth is out and Apple fanboys are upset!!! I recognize that Apple is a well built computer and exceptionally designed. However, I refuse to give my money to Apple and bought Thinkpads instead. They cost less, is less trendy, but built like a tank and has great features such as Trackpoint, active protection system, security chip and a host of built in software that works great!
Frankly, the fact that all of you Window BSOD trolls immediately post your hate rants after an article is posted on a "Fudzilla.com website" proves more to me that you are less secure with your computing platform than I am with mine. Perhaps next time you should let the Apple lovers come in first and defend so you have some ammo. For me, seeing all these sad envious posts really makes me feel good... Nah, I really don't care, but you guys get the picture. Look, if I wanted to go out of my way to use the best components to build something, I would rather spend in on a new custom car instead of a computer. Building a custom computer just really proves how much of a dork you are. On the otherhand, the same can't be said for a tricked out car.
Reason why? Too expensive, bottom line.
'the build quality of Apple has gone down the toilet recently' False. Apple laptops start out as a single block of aluminum and are carved up (key holes, speaker holes, etc) into the main body of the laptop. The laptops that you'll find Best Buy don't even come close to the construction of a MacBook/Pro. I have both Macs and PCs, OS X is a better OS IMHO when compared to XP & Vista 64. Apple could sell their stuff for less, but so could Infinity (they're just Nissan's anyway).
OSX has "Boot Camp", which lets you boot into Windows. They also have things like Cross Over (not owned back Apple) which is about $40 which adds a list of thousands of Windows only compatible programs to your arsenal of programs.
HAHAHA I've been saying they're overpriced for years. Are Apple's products bad? Of course not. Are they overpriced? Of course yes. The money for the aggressive advertising has to come from somewhere I suppose. In 2007, and this is from Apple's own financial statement: 10 million dollars was spent on R&D and 486 million was spent on advertising. I just don't think that Apple products are worth the overinflated costs. Disagree with me or not, you'll not change my view on that. Especially when I can build a gaming grade PC for less than a thou.
Well I'm not a fan of PC nor Apple nor Linux. I just used what ever most convenient, I used them all. What I dont get is...why the furious, Mac being pummeling PC for a while with stupid ad and when PC retaliate, Mac users cried foul??!!! HUH???!!! Seriously man.. HUH???!!!!!!!!!!!!
i recently bought a new 15-inch macbook pro and i love i'll never go back to pc, its well worth the price to me EDIT: plus i have VMware Fusion on it if i ever need windows
@ article author: I'm sorry you couldn't afford a Mac; but jealousy is an ugly thing. I'd be very interested to hear the perspective of Windows users after April 1st and the fallout from Conficker. I personally enjoy an operating system and hardware that doesn't have dozens of software and driver conflicts, malware and spyware loopholes, and massive limitations on what you can run (unless you fork over the cash for top-of-the-line upgrades and add-ons). So if you like your PC - hey, good for you. I like my Mac, and if you wanna trash it with irrational comments and dubious figures...I wish you all the joy of the attempt. It isn't going to spoil my enjoyment of its quality, safety and reliability.
I haven't noticed the difference in price because all I look at are Macs. I have had two PC's (Toshiba & Fujitsu) in the past while my immediate family have had both a Compaq and a Gateway. I bought a Mac after I realized how much better the OS is and how cool it's overall appearance is. I am not sure what the price difference was at the time because again, I was only looking for a Macbook. Next computer for me will be, of course, another Mac. I know this is cliche, but once you go Mac, you never go back. Just about everything is better about it. Yes it might be more expensive, but Toyota's are generally more pricey than their competitors, yet they are putting the Big 3 out of business. People will hopefully realize the better investment of a Mac in the future, just give them time. I mean, iPods took over CD's in no time flat. iPhone seems to be taking over the cell phone industry in many parts of the world too.
...That's why I can't see myself yet getting an Apple laptop.
Its true you paying for the name. There is nothing you cant do on a PC that you can on a mac. But there are plenty of things you cant do on a mac that you can on a PC. And BSOD NEVER happens anymore. If it does, its hardware. But i gotta admit macs are dam sexy :)
quoting above ^^^^ .... "But i gotta admit macs are dam sexy :) " Dude, if you ever find yourself making love to the USB port of your mac one night.... it's time to seek help, ok?
Atleast Apple fanboys are better than MS boys.
;-) <see what I did there>
Ignorant of the facts and blinded by ones love for Apple = better? PC fanboy's aren't generally just a fan of Microsoft. They are a fan of the idea that is the PC. One that's built on freedom of choice. Being able to install whatever OS you want on the PC, without having to hack it. And being able to create a PC to your liking, the parts you want, for much less cash.
You make a good point, but, many apple users are happy with apple in sort of the opposite direction. Apple users are fans of the idea that is the Mac. Yes, freedom of choice is good, so many apple users choose to use a Mac instead of a PC, using the OS we like and not needing any other OS, not that others are bad, it is just what we like. And yes, it is much less to build your own with less cash, if that is what you want, great, but it isn't what Apple users want. What some ppl may see as limits that Apple Macs may have, others view them as just what they want or need.
So your argument is that people should pay more, for just what they want. rather than pay significantly less for what they want and more? I work with macs nearly everday, being at a media university they have spread like herpes. I still use a PC for everything important, all my coursemates have bought into this thing and spent thousands of pounds on Macs, even though they have absolutely no advantage. They just follow like sheep. Thats the Mac audience for ya.
You make it sound like one fanboy is better than another fanboy. If you ask me, they all need a slap.
I am not saying anyone "should" pay more for anything. I would love to pay "significantly less" as you say, but then I wouldn't be getting what i want. "They just follow like sheep. Thats the Mac audience for ya." well, the same can be said in the other direction, so what's your point?
I don't know, but I used to work in an industry where we saw a lot of different people come in and use our computers. We provided them either Mac or PCs. The people that gave us the most trouble i.e. most picky and difficult to deal with was Mac users. Another thing I don't like Mac that never get's discussed is the fact that required service packs cost money. Imagine wanting to install the latest software, but finding out you need an update to Mac OSX to use it (happened to me at work). You go to update and find that the update cost $80. Either pay up or cease using your Mac!
Most iUsers I know want the cute little computer with a sexy casing, they don't really care about price or what the software library may be because they will use Safari (or IE! ), MS Word, iTunes and iMovie. That is all. I have one friend that uses a mac for work (designing a gov. website) besides that, they all fell for the cute trendy box.
"So your argument is that people should pay more, for just what they want. rather than pay significantly less for what they want and more?" Why don't you tell me how many of those wonderful PC tools you actually use? I am willing to bet my college degree that the average consumer uses less than a half of what is actually offered on a PC. So why settle for more when you can have an OS that actually works with the hardware instead of fighting it? "...even though they have absolutely no advantage. They just follow like sheep. Thats the Mac audience for ya." Whether there is an advantage is entirely up to personal opinion. My opinion, the advantage of it not freezing every 5 minutes and/or crashing on a daily basis; viruses not being plentiful, if non-existent entirely; not taking 15 minutes to find a single program; and the general ease of use is what keeps me their customer. From what I see, you prefer the cheaper model that people have been "sheeping" to since Microsoft stole their design ideas from Apple more than 20 years ago.
"Over priced toys"? Article sounds as if it was written by an angry fanboy from the other side of the fence. Although, I agree many members of the media echo the Apple bias floating around these days in the wake of MS's Vista debacle. It's cool to hate on MS just like it was cool to hate on PS3 earlier in it's life cycle. The ad as an overt attack goes right for the jugular. It's for the most part true that you can buy an equivalently featured PC for less than a Mac. Even Jobs won't deny that. What he would do and has done, is preach the concept of value over pricing. I'm sure the MS ads look to test just how well Apple's credo holds up as the as our money gets tighter.
ohh and i dont think that iphone and ipod's are overpriced.
Hardware wise they are actually overpriced. http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/... http://www.businessweek.com... http://news.cnet.com/8301-1... http://news.cnet.com/8301-1... iPod's and iPhone's are simplistic design electronics. Thus they can be manufactured on mass cheaply and with ease. Apple then slaps on their huge markup because of their brand name/design. They are like the Dior of electronics. A bag is still a bag.
your not just paying for specs, your paying for quality. ipods may be a little expensive, but look at what they bring, a VERY thin and really expensive looking design, instead of a cheap plastic look. A UI that is fast, smooth and hardly ever crashes, and in my opinion iTunes beats using the "removable device" in "My Computer" way to transfer songs, since the sync time is amazingly fast, like 3 albums in about 15 seconds, try doing that with a normal cheaper mp3 player and will take like 4 mins. You compare an ipod to a cheaper mp3/mp4 with the same specs, most will prefer the ipod as the cheaper mp3/mp4 are slow, freeze regularly and are just a pain to use. Also, the iphone may be expensive, but i bought a touch-screen mobile for about £100 and in comparison, well there is no comparison, mine is awful to text on, unresponsive, very sluggish and very fat and heavy. You pay for what you get!
I have 2 Ipods, one zune and one sandisk mp3 player in my house. Out of the four my ipods have needed to go in for service three times. This has never occured with my sandisk or zune. Ipods have never had good build quality. If its not the battery sh*tting out on you after a year its the harddrive.
Well i have had a Hardrive Samsung mp4 player, 3 ipods and a bunch of cheaper mp3 players. My ipods have never,ever broken or gone faulty, and thats with one getting clipped by a car on floor (still worked!!). As for all the others, they constantly freeze, crash, ssllloooooww to transfer songs (you have to admite, snycing on an ipod is alot faster than normal mp3's). Also, its only because the hardrive has moving parts it breaks, that is a problem subject to anything that has a HDD in it (i have dropped my 80gb ALOT and it still works) So diff people, diff experiences. But i can speak for all my m8s who have ipods, they are just built with a higher standard of quality than cheaper mp3s with the same specs.
"your not just paying for specs, your paying for quality. " Your just not paying a little for quality, you are massively overpaying for supposed quality. What Apple has done well is convince people that their product is of superior quality when in fact it is just really superior design. Their design is pretty darn sexy... although I prefer my bland looking Thinkpad.
I agree with you there. whitto said it him/herself. You're paying for 'expensive looking design' not something that is actually expensive. There is a difference between what is actually expensive and is priced accordingly and something that just looks expensive and is overpriced. Edit: (Sorry for the overuse of the word 'and' lol)
There's a difference between minimalism and innovation. Apple practices minimalism, not innovation. They try to make hardware and software as simple as possible so that even idiots can use it. Instead of people actually learning something. People too often confuse Apples minimalism as innovation. Anyone can be minimalistic with design. It's merely taking something down to it's basics.
"They try to make hardware and software as simple as possible so that even idiots can use it. Instead of people actually learning something." Are you trying to say minimalism is only good for idiots? Does software/hardware need to be more complex to be good or educational. Simple works just fine for people, so they can go about doing other things more efficiently, go about "learning something" other than the tools they are using.
disagree on that one, my iphone cost me £169 from the o2 store. go into the o2 store and find me a decent handset for under £200. regarding macs, i have to say my macbook pro is the best purchase ive ever made. i make music and there is little distraction on my mac. my pc on the other hand i was constantly fixing something with it. so the virus argument does hold its own. working on a mac is a more pleasant experience if u ask me!
169 Euro? Hmm, I went and took a look, seems it's 342 euro. That's 451.615 USD. http://www.o2.co.uk/iphone http://www.o2.co.uk/iphone/... Nice try :)
Kakkoii, £ is pounds, not €uro. But yes, that price doesn't include the ridiculous contract you're forced to take with the iphone.
Sounds like fair advertising to me, and good advertising at that. Apple knows they are charging too much for there Mac Pro's and Microsoft is just exposing that.
but for well over a decade now, i have had nothing but smooth running with them. i get many years out of them without any necessary upgrading, and they keep my businesses running, which make me money, which keeps me happy. I don't bash other OS systems, use what you like I say. But I will say to ppl who talk about having the money to put together a "superior" computer, if you want to build a computer, then have fun, I used to do that 15 years ago in high school, no longer my cup of tea. To me a computer is much like a car, I buy it and drive it from point A to Point B, I don't want to build it from scratch. As for being proprietary, hey, it works just fine for me, I never say "I wish i could do that, or have that." thats good value to me.
Haven't used Mac:s but the image that I have gotten from their products is that they are like "all in one packages". They give you computer that can run their operating system. The computer they give you might be a overpriced but many seem to buy it for the operating system. Using linux myself so I prefer "PC", but MAC:s do look quite nice and they seem to work for so if ppl want to buy a computer that they can be sure it work. ------------------------- "They try to make hardware and software as simple as possible so that even idiots can use it. Instead of people actually learning something." ------------------------- OH you mean the similar way Microsoft is doing with Vista and Office? Couldn't even disconnect and reconnect from network because everything is so freaking automated.
yea, the macs are sort of that all in one type of thing. It is really just like anything else, some people like it and some people don't. I like comparing computers nowadays to cars. Yes, you can upgrade cars and change the parts, but many just want to get in and go, and not crawl under the hood every so often.
my iphone was £169 GBP. when the first Gen version was out. thats what i paid. i went into the store and gave them £169. this was before forced activation so i simply unlocked it and use my current phone tarriff. buts its not apple that is ripping you off here, it is the phone companies forcing you to take out a package with extra minutes and unlimited internet usage. .duno why i got disagrees about it. macs are far nicer to use. the keyboard is nicer, they look nicer, the trackpad is nicer, the sound is superior from the built in speakers, and the audio card is completely usable without the need for an external one. which is well worth the money if you ask me. and they dont fall apart after a year of use
You didn't seem to look at the price of buying an iPhone without a contract. It's very expensive. The keyboard nicer? lol. The underlying tech of keyboards is pretty much the same across all laptop's. With some slight variation. But there are tons that are just as good, if not better than a mac's. What are you comparing the sounds to? Your saying you have compared a Mac with the sound of most other laptops? haha. The speakers on Mac's are normal quality speakers, I've seen the tear down and specs of a few different mac's. And soundcards are completely usable on pretty much any laptop <_<. And if were talking about Desktops, they completely own mac's in all those areas and more. Everything you've said seems completely contrived and uneducated, you've probably used about 1 or 2 different laptops for a considerable amount of time at most.
same with any phone really. and yes i do feel the keyboard is nice and solid! as for the speakers they are a lot better and not standard despite what you think. same goes for the sound card. normal pc laptop sound cards aren't usable if you are doing anything other than casual listening or gaming maybe. macs on the other hand are completely usable and i should know really seeing as i have a degree in the subject matter.
Oh and what degree would that be? (waits for you to google it) And as I said, I've seen the tear down and specifications of a few different Mac's. Including the Air and current Pro. It's hardly top of the line. You can get laptops with better quality. That's the things about PC's.. You have a choice of what parts you want :).
im just telling you that your argument for pc sound cards being usable in the professional world does not stand up. i have a bachelor of science honours degree in music technology and audio systems and a 9-5 job as a sound engineer along with freelance work as a producer. which im guessing holds my stance on this up pretty well. you can look at your fact sheets all day if you like, i know from personal testing that the sound quality from a built in macbook pro sound card is vastly superior than that of any pc laptop i have ever heard. every pc laptop ive had the experience of using has needed an external sound card to record and for live performance. the bass is thin and the mid range is tinny. they are average at best. and the built in speakers in a macbook pro are great for the size of them. far better again than any pc laptop ive ever heard.
Then maybe you should look around a little more cause that's quite false. Just because the ones you've used didn't have great sound quality, doesn't mean all non Apple laptops do also haha. Especially if you choose to build your laptop on a site that allows you to choose the parts. For someone who is supposed to know a lot about sound, you don't seem to know very much about speakers and sound cards lol. If your indeed a professional in that industry, then you should be going for a system that has a top of the line sound card, not just good quality.
I like apple computers
microsoft owns and macs are to expensive 1200 to surf the web outstanding ...
I think these new MS ads are a response to the years of apple doing gutter talk smear campains against MS. .. just saying.
it was okay for apple to bash msft with the mac vs windows ad campaign; but msft can't bash apple comparing prices???? Double standards are awesome!!!!
As the title says "Apple Fanboys.." If you are a fanboy, then obviously you would be mad about something this stupid and care about something so tiny.
So much hate for the up-and-coming. Tsk, tsk.
LOL "up-and-coming"? roflmao! http://en.wikipedia.org/wik... Apple Inc.: "Established in Cupertino, California on April 1, 1976 and incorporated January 3, 1977" Sounds like apple has been "up-and-coming" for over 30 years. fail.
Can't stand OS worshipers, you have to be a computer-atheist to have any logic at all in such arguments. Fact of the matter is, Macs do tend to have faster FSB speeds in their motherboards, which helps to avoid bottlenecking the CPU. For example, the Mac Pro motherboards have an FSB speed of 1600MHz vs an HP or Dell, etc at 1333 or less (usually less, but just barely over 1000MHz). However, put Windows Vista 64-bit on a Mac Pro machine, and it will actually run faster than Mac OS ever since the updates from SP1 and summer of 2008. Vista has also been found to hog only 2% more RAM than Mac OSX 10 (just wish they'd make better use of it). Windows 7 is on the way, testers are finding it to be the fastest Windows OS yet, and uses far less resources than Vista, it can actually run well even on a 512mb machine. Take a look at ZDnet.com, they've got lots of great info, very cool site!
I agree with you, but most people aren't going to buy a Mac then spend more money on a Windows OS. I have done it (install Windows) only because my Macbook Pro doesn't do everything my Windows notebook did. Having owned both 4 Windows notebooks, 5 Windows desktops, and 1 Macbook pro, I can say yes a Mac is more expensive and doesn't offer the wide range of configurations like a Window PC, but for some intangible reason, I like it better. For most people's needs a Windows netbook or low end PC is good enough especially since PC technology at the low end is pretty advanced. I think this is MS getting back at Apple for all those I'm a Mac and PC commericals. Also Apple won't drop the price they have always charged top dollar ever since I can remember from the 80's.
but your FSB comment seems pretty wrong. Not sure about dells and crap but even my Emachines computer from 2005 has a 1600mhz FSB. Id imagine that any new computers would be better than my old low end pc from 2005.
...until they come to their senses and price them reasonably. Until then I am quite happy being able to build my computers. Oh and apple will never condone you swapping out your own parts. Noooooo, you have to take them to an Apple store for any little thing seeing as if you open your Mac up you void your warranty. I have had many pc's that I have opened up and still got serviced, when I wanted the warranty to pay for the parts. Otherwise, I would just fix it myself. For the guy who compares the computers to cars up above. A car enthusiast is someone who works on cars and has a general love for them. The enthusiast probably has several cars that he has restored himself. A poser is someone who may love cars, but does not know anything about them let alone how to work on them. He just buys them and calls himself cool or thinks he is cool. Now this translates into the computer world. A pc enthusiast generally knows a lot about computers and works on and builds his own. A typical mac user is completely and totally stupid when it comes to working on computers or upgrading them. They buy a mac just to say, "look, I spent more money on mine so it's better". GIVE ME A BREAK. PC's are far superior in every single way shape and form.
I was a "PC enthusiast" years ago, I liked building computers for myself and friends. Now I only use macs because that is what works best for me and I was able to get away from having to build computers for whatever reason. I am not saying they are superior computers either. So, according to you, am I "enthusiast generally knows a lot about computers", or am I "completely and totally stupid when it comes to working on computers or upgrading them?" Whether you answer or not, doesn't make a difference, i just like the way you worded that last paragraph to specifically support your stereotyping.
I said TYPICAL user not every user. I fix and repair computers for a living and I have yet to meet a Mac person who knows what the hell they are talking about. You sir (Miasma) may be an exception, but the most part of people who own macs are the same ones who carry dogs around in a purse and wear those f^*&ing sunglasses that make them look like a damn bug.
Taking away bubbles because I said something that is true. I am not biased in any way. I have been around Macs since when I was wee little kid in elementary school and even then I could not stand them. I just do not like being taken for my money. To me, and sh!t ton of other people, the PC is still king. It will be this way for some time until Apple gets their heads out of their asses and starts offering reasonable prices and easier upgrading, until then PC will remain king, simply because it is highly customizable. If you want a PC for very very basic things, I have built one for 200 bucks. That includes everything. Then later on if I decide I want a sh!tload of power, I can upgrade what I need to. If you want a super basic Mac hello 1000 bucks plus. Then if you want to upgrade the thing, buy new one. Same with the iPod, if you want to replace the battery because it doesn't hold it's charge like it used to, buy another one.
I don't think these types of discussions warrant taking away someones bubbles, so I'll throw you some FragMnTagM, +Bubbles You enjoy what you like, I'll enjoy what I like, there everyone happy...
Is that why you have to "build your own" (also known as having to upgrade something, somewhere just so you can keep running your OS and apps)?
Vista? "Also, "upgrading" allows you to only replace the parts you need to" Need to. Why?
At least that upgrade is voluntary.
wow kyur4thepain you are astoundingly ignorant, yet seem blissfully unaware of this fact. Please don't post anything else until you resolve to think before you post. If you don't, you run the risk of sounding like a fool, again. :)
I was a PC guy, bought a MacBook Pro about 2 years ago, and what a WASTE of money. Those who say Macs don't crash are full of BS. While my OS didn't crash, my apps (you know, the whole POINT of using a computer) crashed and froze numerous times. So I put up with this crap for about 3 months, then installed XP on it which ran a lot more stable, and now recently bought a quad core PC with 3gb ram for $500 which KILLS my MBP. It's not even close. I will say iMovie and the fact that you don't have to worry about viruses, and the look of OSX are great, but that's about it for me. The rest was totally crap. I paid $2700 dollars at the time for it. Give me a break. I should have spent half and purchased a PC. Not that PCs are even close to perfect, but they are a LOT better than my experience with this over priced piece of crap.