Is the Xbox 360 in trouble?

LukaX23 from TheGamingOwl Network writes:

At least from the position the gaming world is in now. Sony's catching up, and it's only a matter of time until both consoles are battling for what really matters, and what should still really matter in the gaming world - games. It's lately been about who's got the best online, but those will be almost identical sooner or later and it will be back to the basics.

[meepmoopmeep]

lulz

[Leio]

Double lulz !

[meepmoopmeep]

lol, i so want to approve this too.
i mean, blogs are allowed but, man, lulz.

[cereal_killa]

Grabs Popcorn finds a seat and waits for the fun to begin.

[kewlkat007]

This is not Popcorn material...there is no sale numbers or polygon counts.

[Dread]

lets see how the Sony fans react. Are they gonna agree and laugh or are they gonna call foul and argue that everyone is against MS and it is not fair for gamers.

lets see if there is some integrity or just plain fanboysm

[Anon1974]

When looking beyond the current sales and what place all the consoles are in, there are certainly underlying causes for concern regarding the 360.
Almost all of last year the 360 showed zero sales growth, some months actually reporting signifcant drops in the US from 2007 numbers. The price cut, which came at a great cost based on MS's last financial quarter, pulled sales up but what was the root cause of the 360 not being able to keep up before that? Do those issues still exist? Even when MS games is making money, take away XBL revenue and suddenly they're in the red again. What's the issue with hardware and software sales that makes this the case?

We can see based on worldwide sales that the PS3 is selling much faster than the 360 ever did and that has to be concerning in the long run. Why is the PS3 being adopted faster than the 360, and why has the 360 again struggled to find it's place outside of the US?

It's even been argued that the 360's current attach rate, something that wasn't even discussed last gen, is evidence of a problem as well. Microsoft's own data seemed to show attach rates jump whenever a hot new release came out. Contrary to how that looks, VG Journal reported that this was evidence of a hardcore problem. Hardcore gamers tend to buy all the hot new releases, but catering only to the hardcore is not a long term recipe for success. Just look at Banjo Kazooie sales vs Gears2 for evidence that the hardcore seem to be the only ones driving 360 software sales at the moment while games like LBP seem to sell steadily over time on the PS3.

Anyway, just a couple of thoughts on the issue.

[SupaPlaya]

Doom and Gloom article # 3255544667

[cereal_killa]

kewlkat007 just because it has nothing to do with sales or polygon counts doesn't mean it wont be entertaining.

[eagle21]

My lord, even Mass Effect can't be denied at GDC for PS3.

And it's painfully obvious the PS3 has the hottest quality Exclusives. :)

[BattleAxe]

With the massive hardware problems coming from RRoD, E74 and Disc Scratching, Microsoft is having to fork out alot of money in repairs. 1/3 of all 360s sold are repeat customers who have had their 360 break on them once or twice before.

With Halo Wars being such a huge disappointment, 2009 is really shaping up to be a crappy year for exclusive games for Microsoft.

I think that MS needs an economic bailout.

[Golfcoachh]

A bailout, you must be 12, I know only turning billions in profit during an economic downturn shows they need help. What a moron.

[Nelson M]

Up Sh!t Creek without a Paddle !!
Haa Ha

[The Lazy One]

"take away XBL revenue"

if you're going to take away it's revenue, you have to take away it's cost too. it's not like they run it for free.

Also, M$ was down in the beginning of the year, and way up at the end. They're continuing an upward month to month trend. I don't understand how you can think that's bad. The more you generalize the less analytical it is. Week to week sales would give the best trend analysis, followed by month to month, followed by quarter to quarter, followed by year to year, followed by lifetime(which always trends linearly). When month to month data is available and shows a trend, it will almost always be the preferred trend to watch over year to year.

[XxZxX]

Hutch2355, dude Microsoft reporting a loss too last quarter
EVERYBODY now reporting a loss last quarter.

[JokesOnYou]

"Is the Xbox 360 in trouble?"

-hmmm, so all the screaming about HHG's headlines but at least he has a show that is allowed under the rules to be submitted, this however is just some sony loyalists submitting a blog post, might as well take the comments from nasim's next account and submit it as news. lmfao

JOY

[KingME]

The sad thing is that you blogged something, and then submitted it as news on N4G, which is pretty desparate. Here are my comments toward your article:

LukaX23, it's not that 360 fans are going to be huffing and puffing. From what I read, all you did was boasted and bragged about what Sony and the PS3 has and pointed out negative things about the 360. (A typical fanboy rant) If you want your writings to be taken seriously, then don't type stuff that makes you sound like a one sided Sony fanboy, praying once again for something cool for Christmas. Your article has provided absolutely NOTHING new, which actually makes it quite pointless. You only wrote this to make yourself and fanboys like yourself feel better.

That's my take on your article.

The only thing you were able to bring up about the 360 was E74, and RROD both old well known problems. However on the PS3, you had plenty of things to say about the future, you even mentioned some games and other stuff none of which you mentioned for the 360. You read like a Sony marketing ad, not a neutral party. But then again, you're not a neutral party.

[XxZxX]

XBOX 360 fanboy will lol off XBOX 360 is in trouble but they will make sure people get the PS3 is in deep trouble message. Same goes to PS3 fanboy.

U know what, PS3, XBOX360 and Wii is in trouble. They are losing momentum somewhere else, either japan, US, or EU. Trouble ahead for all of them.

[UnwanteDreamz]

If you are in this comment section talking trash about the 360 then please don't ask why we get 10 "PS3 is doomed" articles tomorrow.

[Anon1974]

It's a bit of an oversimplification on my part to say "Just subtract XBL revenue." I realize that it costs money to run XBL, but it can't possibly be that much, can it? XBL brings in approx $700 million each year based on Microsoft's numbers. Even if XBL cost 100 million a year to run the loss of that revenue would put MS games back in the red.

Also, the trend over the course of the year was one of decreased sales over 2007 sales, especially in the US. Actual revenue increased, escpecially over the holiday period but profit shrunk by 60% vs 2007 sales. So, they sold more, brought in more money, made far less profit over the previous year (that's right, XxZxX. MS games made money last quarter). That has to be the price cut at work.
That's one of my conerns regarding the 360's future. Seeing sales decline in 2008 vs 2007 only to pull it up at the last minute with a price cut, that's a concern which is obviously why MS felt a price cut was needed.
I don't know. Maybe it's nothing and the price cut fixed whatever was broken with 360 sales, but I have a feeling it's not the 360's price that was holding it back overall. I think the 360 is a far better gaming console than the Wii, it's cheaper and yet it's still being trounced in sales. What's wrong with this picture?

[The Lazy One]

I think you underestimate the cost of xbl. xbl revenue includes revenue from xblm, and the hosting on that is not free. Not to mention licensing costs on some of the content there, as well as the stuff just stored in the xbl community servers.

And I never said the price cut didn't hurt their profits. Obviously it did. I was just pointing out inconsistencies in your analysis. I'm actually interested to see how a PS3 cut would affect sales of the 360. With the 360 dropping so low it's hard to say if it can tap into the wii market, or if the increased sales are mostly between it and it's primary competitor sony.

I still think the increased sales over the past months outweigh the losses at the beginning of 08.

[KingME]

" I think the 360 is a far better gaming console than the Wii, it's cheaper and yet it's still being trounced in sales. What's wrong with this picture?"

Take your same question replace "360" with "PS3" and replace "Wii" with "Wii & 360" and perhaps you can provide an answer.

[RKRigney]

I swear I thought this would be a HipHopGamer article. But a free blogspot blog? I didn't even expect something that low from N4G. Surprises me all the time.

[xwabbit]

Well almost everything on nag is from Blogs, BloodMask is a legend posting blog's on Nag.

[Arnon]

Just needed to say.. but um

1. The 360's sales have increased this year when comparing them to last years sales in each month thus far. Playstation 3's (and PSP/PS2) sales have dropped by about 17% in the states so far when looking back at last year's sales.

2. The 360 sold 10.8 million consoles last year as compared to the PS3's 10.77 consoles sold.

3. The 360 is constantly making a profit. What exactly is the trouble? The only brand so far that has shown trouble (literally) is Sony.

4. And to the guy who said Halo Wars was a 'flop' in terms of sales or something.. the game has already broke around 1.3 million copies. Not sure where you get that sort of information.

[dcbronco]

You have got to be one of the most delusional fanboys on this site. The 360 is not losing money firstly. They make a profit on each console sold. They also sell more games than PS3 which is more profit. You mention the financial reports but obviously have no idea what counts on MS's ED division. Sony's games division is games period. E & D includes Zune(which is failing), Surface(still more R & D than anything), marketing for Microsoft Office for Mac(no idea why), all of MS's TV and Web devices and a few other things. The Xbox is the only thing that actually makes money in that division and it still turned a profit the last few quarters. Office advertising has been estimated at several hundred million on it's own while no Office profits get counted for E & D.

Now the PS3 may have been adopted slightly faster over the first two years. But it is losing ground now. It has also had sales declines in the last few month compared to previous years. So I'm not sure if MS should be worried. With Sony so jammed for cash and there seemly being a low possibility of a price cut, it's Sony that should be scared. Oh, and Blu-ray is not selling like Sony pretends. The up 300% stuff got old and didn't convince anyone paying attention.

Sony needs to take every dime they saved with layoffs and mergers and put it into a $100 price cut on the PS3. Blu-ray ain't gonna happen and Samsung will hold TVs unless Sony can make OLED viable, iPods aren't going anywhere either and Sony will never own home stereo equipment. Getting back a larger part of the VG market, which is growing, is the only thing that can help Sony now.

[SprSynJn]

See there is the problem though. We know why the PS3 is losing to the Wii in most areas and why it is losing to the 360 in the U.S.

Price.

As you no doubt have read, the PS3 is now outselling both competitors here in Japan despite it costing substantially more. In Europe it appears to be neck and neck with the 360, again costing a great deal more. Could you imagine would happen if the PS3 did receive a price cut? Most titles on the 360 can be found on the PS3 as well, with free usage of the PSN. Blu-ray is an added bonus that most would utilize if they purchased it. While I have no real interest in the 360 nor it's future, the odds against it are enough to make fans worry me thinks.

[s8anicslayer]

I know one thing, speaking from an unbiased position, if the 360 didn't have the RROD problem or the E74 or the disc scratching OH! wait a minute, DAMN they are screwed, not! Even though it's costing MS millions in lost revenue to repair these broken 360's, the 360 has put MS in a postion they had only dreamed of and that is ahead of sony! maybe MS planned this, I wouldn't put it past a company like MS.

[ThanatosDMC]

Umm... im guessing their solution in the article is a price drop, huh? Or take out the DVD rom and put in a CD-rom?

[Anon1974]

@ The Lazy One. We're not talking XBL revenue from games sold, content, etc. We're just talking straight revenue from fees. MS says they have 17 million gold accounts. At $50 each we're talking $850 million. I low-balled my $700 million figure. Either way, my point is it's a revenue stream that, if taken away, would most likely put them in the red when their only profitable year only saw them make $400 million. So is the console and software even profitable yet? Doesn't look like it from these numbers.

KingME said "Take your same question replace "360" with "PS3" and replace "Wii" with "Wii & 360" and perhaps you can provide an answer."
You don't here me saying the PS3 is in any better shape financially, do you? But this article is about the 360, not the PS3. What the PS3 makes right or doesn't make doesn't change what we're discussing.

@ Arnon. Good points! But you're missing a couple of things. MS sales are up, revenue is up, but profit over the holiday season was down 60% over the 2007 holiday season. Increased sales, increased revenue and yet 60% less profit. That's a huge concern and can only mean that the recent price cut has moved MS back into the position where they're taking a loss on every console sold. How else do you explain increased money coming in but decreased profits over 2007? Remember, we're just talking about the 360 here. It doesn't matter if the Wii outsells the 360 outsells the PS3. Too many people try to shift the focus on the other guy, but that doesn't somehow change the fact that MS's 360 price cut is gutting their profits, and the MS games division wasn't very profitable to start with. That's a huge concern.
And I agree, nothing wrong with sales of Halo Wars. A console RTS breaking one million in sales. That's quite the feat.

@ dcbronco. I didn't miss anything, I know full well what MS entertainment entails. So, how do you explain the 60% drop in profit last quarter when they sold more and brought far more money in than holiday 2007? What's changed? Only the price cut. The only explanation is that the 360 is being sold at a loss again: Increased sales actually equals a profit drain. That's exactly what we saw this last quarter. The other products lumped in there really don't have that much of an impact up against the 360 as you can see from MS's own financial statements.
Despite a slight knowledge demonstrated regarding what MS Entertainment entails, you seem to be laboring under the false assumption that PS3 sales mean something here. They don't. Sony could sell one console or 100 million and it doesn't change those numbers that MS is currently reporting. Shifting the attention to Sony like somehow that will make the things I've pointed out untrue doesn't work.
Also, I don't know where your data is coming from but Sony hasn't actually announced official ship numbers yet so we really don't know how they're doing compared to last year. All we have is the NPD's and VGChartz best guesses. In fact, for a 360 article, you seem pretty obsessed with how Sony's doing. That's not what this is about as we can surely fill another entire column with Sony's current woes. You don't hear me saying it's all smiles and sunshine over there. Don't change the subject.

In fact, none of you really addressed the MS issues I brought up except to say they don't exist, even faced with easily verifiable financial data from MS. Pointing at Sony and yelling "Look over there!" doesn't change a thing.

[dcbronco]

What changed for MS over the last quarter? How about the new Zune. It was a dismal failure. They couldn't pay people to take one. And don't forget that MS spent millions advertising the new Zune for basically no return. You think they might have signed some kind of deal with Netflix too. They might have. And as far as the price of the 360, people seem to think MS doesn't get price adjustments like other companies. Search the net, they started getting them after year one of the 360 and they have gotten one each year since. Oh, and there was that little die shrink. That knocks a lot of cost off. Just like the one on the CPU the year before. Remember they own those parts this time so they get the savings on manufacturing cost. The other change, could that be RRoD. They most likely blazed through that billion. And since I believe the failure rate is higher than they admit, I wouldn't be surprised if that isn't still holding profits down.

So there are several reasons. Zune, which looks like it will be discontinued. Netflix, I sure it cost them something. And RRoD, the billion is long gone. And I would also bet there is some Xbox 720 R & D money in there too, consoles don't make themselves. Funny thing is, if you take away the expense of RRoD, the 360 would have been profitable for some time now. That billion dollar charge hurt the previous fiscal year. ED has made money for a year straight with this quarter, take RRoD away and you could add two or three more quarters.

And as far as sales go, VG is a poor man's estimate. NPD on the other hand is based on actually numbers from most of the major retailers(Best buy, Target, Walmart and many others). Their numbers are considered as good as actually and most companies in America base there decisions on what's selling according to NPD. They make their money by selling that information to companies like Microsoft and Sony. Never throw them in with VG, they are two totally different things.

Oh, and Sony shipped numbers. Yeah, Sony is really good about talking about what they want to and what they don't. They allow NPD to release PS3 numbers, but not Blu-ray. Which means they are really humble,not, or they are ashamed of the numbers. Number came out about Samsung owning 26% of the LCD market, which is most TVs now. 26% was well above Sony and anyone else. Do you really want to question the iPod thing. And again with Blu-ray, go to Home Media Magazine and find a movie that they give a actual sales number for. Look through the digital copy of the magazine and you will see a chart that list the percentage of sales for the top movies. If you know the DVD number and look at the percentage that the chart list for Blu-ray for that movie, you can estimate the Blu-ray sales. They are very low on most movies. And if the up 300% claims really meant anything, Sony would release actual number.

[Golfcoachh]

Actually no they didn't post a loss. 8.9 billions shares outstanding, and 1.88 net profit per share idiot. Can you at least do math. geez the ignorance on this site astounds me. Msft has not posted a loss that I can ever remember. As a stockholder that gets yearly reports I think I would know when they actually lost money. Your thinking of Sony.

[ShabzS]

ooo boy ... somebody approve this... theres nothing on tv tonight

[II Necroplasm II]

We must see this! everyone here loves these fanboy blogger thoughts.

[Zeus Lee]

Keep telling yourself that

[LukaX23]

Me, a fanboy? Far from it friend. Because I say the PS3 is catching up doesn't mean I'm a fanboy. I'm taking a look at the state of how the gaming world is and how one thing affects another. That isn't fanboyish, saying so is being a fanboy. Not everyone will agree with me and it will never be that way, so I suggest you keep quiet for your own good.

[snaz27]

and i love it as much as the next man and i dont disagree with what your saying but can i ask you something... can you really say your not a fanboy when you have the playstation symbol as your avatar? atleast can you expect to be taken seriously? im not having at go at you btw.

[brycespitler]

and at the end you went off on a rant about 360 failure rates of e74

we still dont know if the failure rate is that prominent yet

sounded kinda fanboyish...im no 360 owner but c'mon you coulda left it out.

otherwise your other opinions were fine and enjoyable to read

[ShabzS]

hahahah

''Microsoft claims they've "fixed" the problem with all there different motherboards. Still, they're breaking left and right.''

^direct excerpt Including the grammar

dont worry man.. the stuff u've said was definitely well researched with hard numbers to back it up... u didnt sound fan boyish at all..

[GamerPS360]

I am a Fanboy !!

And I have PS3, 360, Wii, PC and PSP.

I don't like PS3 'coz its black. I don't like 360 'coz its white, I don't like Wii 'coz its small, I don't like PC 'coz its huge and I specially don't like PSP 'coz it just fits on my palm.
I don't like games 'coz I play sales and comparison.

Oh, I like food :D and I am a Fat Fanboy.

[Why o why]

that is sooo true of many on this site. They've got their priorities all msed up:)

[ultimolu]

You have some interesting points but this is going to erupt into yet another fanboy war.

[green]

So why did you approve it?

EDIT:I can see that now but i was quite surprised to have seen your approval earlier.

How the hell did i go from 8 to 4 bubbles in 24 hours without making a comment?

[ultimolu]

green, did you not see that I pulled my approval?

EDIT: I read the blog post, that's why. I then decided that this was going to turn into a huge fanboy war in seconds so I removed my approval.

And...idek what happened to your bubbles. o_o

Nasim is pretty annoying. At first I didn't mind him but he makes PS3 fans look bad.

I'll give you a bubble.

[green]

Maybe nasim attacked me with his multiple accounts,lol. Anyway i don't know and really don't care that much.I have always stuck to commenting on 360 related articles (because that is the only console i own) and hardly ever make more than 2 or 3 comments.Anyway i got to start being careful now.

EDIT:Thanks

[LukaX23]

IF I PUT A QUESTION MARK, THAT WILL MAKE THE WHOLE ARTICLE NON-FANBOYISH. WATCH.

Update: And I suggest reading it! There are some valid points in there.

[Ldubbz]

You think you have some good points? You do know a good piece also contains counterpoints as well?

You asked a question that doesn't need asking. The 360 is doing quite well, and everyone but the most delusional fanboy knows that. Why try to create doubt from nothing? Unless you want to start a flame war.

And as for the "doom" articles with PS3 vs 360; they both can be completely ridiculous. But you also have to remember that the 360 and PS3 are not in the same position, nor are Sony and Microsoft. When the PS3 gets outsold by the margin it did during the holidays, and has a decrease in its YOY numbers for this year, there is more reason for concern.

That doesnt mean you get carte blanche to write FUD about it, but you can question where its going. The 360 is not immune to this either, since the Wii is chillin in the top spot.

[PirateThom]

On one side, this is as stupid as the "is the PS3 in trouble articles".

On the other, those kept getting approved by certain members.

However, I'm going to take the moral high road and not approve it.

[WhittO]

ye how many "PS3 WILL FINISH LAST, WHY PS3 FAILS, PS3 OVER-PRICED, PSN COSTING CONSUMERS (EVEN THOUGH FREE).

lol, yet none of these about 360 get approved ?

And i agree, the 360 sales are great, but so are ps3 sales and thats with a HUGE price gap between the two.

I wonder what will happen when the ps3 gets a price drop, if 360 sales will fall, or if it will make any difference in sales to ps3 (in the long-run), who's to know ?!

[morganfell]

I am sure you will find plenty of 360 fans that will pass up approving the next "the PS3 is in trouble" argument. Not. I look back to the holidays and the early new year where there were at least two ridiculous PS3 doom blog articles on the front page almost every day. And now they want to cry about one or two articles where the shoe is on the other foot? Apparently some people can dish it out but they cannot take it.

[ultimolu]

I was going to approve it at first but...this is just going to cause even more hatred between gamers. :\

And morgan, you're right for the most part. 360 fanboys have been telling PS3 fans to 'suck it up' whenever a bad PS3 article is approved but wen it's on the other foot, they backpeddle.

[morganfell]

Look, I think all of these blogs ought to be given the axe. If not, then there needs to be more stringent guidelines. And if those are not followed then the mods ought to step in a suspend a contributor's privileges that either submits or approves such articles.

A blog might be different if it wasn't just one paragraph of crap that is just a regurgitation of supposition and flights of fancy. These wastes of net space usually say absolutely nothing. No insight, no breaking news, no leaked secrets, and absolutely no humor, just crap. And as crap they ought to have the chain yanked on them

[ultimolu]

You're right morgan...ALL of them needs the axe.

[JokesOnYou]

Websites are allowed not based on whether or not YOU don't like the headline....blogs from everyday avg joe is NOT allowed. Its really simple. I approved official website rants that I thought were negative for both consoles but it was still news under the guidelines.
Its convenient for some to over look that simple principle of sticking to the guidelines.

JOY

[darx]

no

[mboojigga]

Is this guy aware that MS actually has the price advantage over Sony? Sure Sony MAY drop the price in the fall if they don't in the next couple of months but at anytime MS is in a position to counter when they are ready. So I don't get what is concern is about MS and sorry but if anyone thinks a firmware update is going to get NEW customers in the store is dead wrong especially when it won't be advertised that their is a new firmware update. No one is sitting on the internet waiting for whatever update to come to the PS3 and then say oh snap NOW it is time to go buy a PS3. The only people looking for the update are the ones on game websites who own the system.

[PirateThom]

Again, why do you think Microsoft are able to just drop the price on a whim?

Last year was the first year they made profit, do you think they're going to run into the red again?

[mboojigga]

That is funny when Sony is in the same boat about profit and everyone here is hoping for them to drop as much as 100 off the system and stay in the red. Also you and I don't know where they are at on the cost by the Fall of this year or by the beginning of next year so saying them dropping a price based on NOW isn't the point. We are talking about later which the field will be obviously different by that time frame. The cost of parts are not going to be the same as it is now for both systems correct?

[Anon1974]

Look at MS Games profit last quarter. Increased revenue, increased sales and 60% less profit compared to the same quarter the year earlier. It's quite obvious that the price cut has cost Microsoft a lot and based on the size of that drop I can only assume they're selling the hardware at a loss again. That's the only explanation I have. I wouldn't be shocked to see MS games in the red again. They've gambled quite a bit with the price cut. We have yet to see if it'll pay off in software sales.

[DragonWarrior46534]

360 isnt going anywhere as long as Infinity Ward makes their games play best on the system. I got the ps3 first and all my friends played COD4 for one year on it till I told them that COD4 is the bomb on the 360. Guess what console they only play now? Most of my friends dont even touch their ps3 anymore. Im still having trouble getting them to buy killzone 2.

2 mboojigga. I agree. Sony doesn't advertise anything about the psn. They hardly advertise at all. Ive seen more UGK advertisements about their new cd then Sony has all year. Its sad really, because the ps3 has sooo much potential. They have the power to bring so much more then just the best single player experiences. I dont see them getting very far now that they are charging publishers for face on the system. I got a feeling that there are some really dumb people running Sony's R&D and PR.

[mboojigga]

Your friends sound like Lemmings and they don't know how to handle their money if they listened to you and your claiming having a hard time getting them to get Killzone 2.

[YogiBear]

Sounds like you've been playing the wrong games.

[Obama]

What do you guys see in the picture? I see a bright red flower.

[rucky]

I see money burning from an explosion

[DragonWarrior46534]

Dude, dont even go there with me. There is no reason to get personal and start being a jerk. Its just that me and my friends have been playing gimped versions of games on the ps3 for so long that it really did feel liberating to get our hands on xbox live. dont get me wrong. My favorite single player games are only on the ps2 and ps3. Its just that Sony dropped the ball when they said they don't think that online is the future of gaming. Thats the reason why the ps3 didn't have all of the features it has now when it launched. Its a fact that most Japanese gamers dont go online when they game. Get off your high horse man.

There is a difference between the two consoles. People like me and my friends have been getting screwed by latency issues since R6V in 06.

[Godmars290]

XBL started with Xbox1, so its well established.

The thing is, since it is fully developed the only thing MS can do to improve it at this point is make it free. PSN has room to expand to the level of XBL and beyond.

[The Lazy One]

They've upgraded XBL twice a year almost every year since the launch of the 360 dude.

[Grown Folks Talk]

you couldn't get online with the PS2?

[Arnon]

Exactly.. The Playstation 2 had the online feature.

[Sarevok]

Wait I am confused... Last week it was sony is DOOMED!!! and now it's 360 is DOOMED!!! Can someone tell me who is really doomed?! I cant take it why would they lie to me?!

Lol

[SonyRulz]

DUN-Dun-dunnnnn!

[edgeofblade]

If you look at MS vs Sony, no one is doomed. Both are doing great and the other side's fanboys really don't want to admit it.

If you look at the rest of the console war, we are all doomed if Nintendo turns the next generation of gamers into waggling casual zombies.

This war should be about hardcore vs casual, but the fanboys can't seem to recognize that and decide their friend is their enemy. Wake up people: Xbox and PS are the same side.

[interrergator]

the world is in total chaos

[Droid Control]

M$ ar enot in trouble yet, but if they don't agressively push forward with new game franchises, they will be.

[Bladestar]

lol! of course they are in trouble... I mean.. look at NPD and other sources!... ohh wait... the xbox 360 is up from the previous years...

not only that during the month of Jan and Feb.. the xbox 360 beat the PS3...

ohh and in case you are dumb and can't add up.. the xbox 360 sold 1,122,200 units more than the PS3 in 2008.. that means the gap between the xbox 360 widen...

So, mmm... what are you losers (including this article) basis their dooms day predicKions? because sure as hell is not about sells...

Shouldn't the PS3 start catching up to the 8-9 million xbox 360 lead.. because we start with the trouble articles?... I mean.. if the xbox 360 is in trouble.. what do you say about the PS3? which regardless of having Metal Gear, Resistance 2, LBP in 2008... they still couldn't sell more units in 2008...

[ultimolu]

Wow Bladestar...the guy's talking about games and you go right on the offensive about NPD.

And you still didn't answer my PM.

[talltony]

So with your logic sales mean the better system?really? even if its 200 dollars less than the competition.? To me sales dnt make me enjoy a game more. If all u own is a 360 i would be a little worried cause sony has been announcing exclusives like hot cakes lately.

[Bladestar]

wait.. let me get this straight....

"the xbox 360 is in trouble?" because it may not have the same exclusive games that the PS3 has?

Trouble in what way? Because if the trouble finacially and as you say... it has nothing to do with sells... which also means that it may not be affected in terms of sells... So, what is the trouble we speak of?

The whole game argument depends on who you ask.

For example, I am a FPS, RPG and RTS fan... to me... a Game like COD is way above Halo, Resistance and any other game... the PS3 has very little to offer when it comes to RPG and RTS compared to the xbox 360...

You see.. one thing that you people need to be aware... Gamers out there... not fanboys... can care less about 1st party or 3rd party... as long as the game is great... the fact that Call of Duty, Bioshock, GTA are all more successful (measuring gamers that play the game)... yet are NOT 1st tells you a thing or two about it.

I can understand why you do not want to mention sells or charts as a way to measure the success or adoption of a game... uhh duhh... the PS3 is the worst on this... but what else do you use? Sony's leg humpers word? Sells translates to popularity... and popularity translates to success...

I don't remember you people excluding blu-ray vs HD DVD sells... not to mention that the fact that blu-ray sells compared to blu-ray determined it's fate.

Now you are acting as if sells don't matter.

@ultimolu - what PM? I probably read it... and if I didn't reply it was because it would be a waste of time, since it was one of the many blind, irrational messages I get from SOny leg humpers on daily basis.

[Man_of_the_year]

"sony has been announcing exclusives like hot cakes lately." Sony have been doing this since the day the PS3 launched...however what you failed to mention is that there is never a date of these exclusives and they usually take several years until we actually get to play them...so chances are Sony talking about an exclusive game this year means we won't be playing it till 2 years from now.

@Juuken
Actually Bladestar does talk about exclusives...he states that the exclusives released for the PS3 in 08 did absolutley nothing to help the PS3 gain and ground on the 360 - and that by the end of the 08 year the 360 expanded their lead by over 1 million. So he is asking how is it that the 360 is in trouble if ps3 exclusives can't drive console sales and the 360 continues to widen the gap?

[talltony]

But my point is that sales dnt mean the system is better its just sales. Look at the freakin wii for example. And also their is still tons of games announced for this year and some soon to be announced for this year for ps3..

[ultimolu]

Yeah Bladestar...one of the many.

You just don't answer them because they may have some truth in them.

[ps34ever]

YES

[TheColbertinator]

No the 360 is gonna have great games like "April NPD" to keep me satisfied,while the PS3 is gonna have some game few people play because the marketing is so damn weak.

[ultimolu]

Yes, I'll admit Sony's marketing sucks right now.

[n to the b]

haha the "April NPD" video game for 360, can't wait lol.

[Hallucinate]

GOTY garuneteed

[Why dis]

ZzZzZzZz

Yawn

Next

[Aclay]

I prefer the PS3 and the PS3 is my main system, but there's no way I see the 360 in any trouble in the foreseeable future.

When Sony drops the price (depending how low), it definantly has the potential to make a big impact globally because the PS3 has already proved it can outsell the 360 at a higher price point, but the 360 will be in no trouble whatsoever and neither will the PS3. Articles like this on both sides of the console war are just getting ridiculous.

[Jockamo]

Considering the amount of fanbase they've stolen from the old PS2 supporters, I think they've done a remarkable job of using marketing, money, and appeal to bring in new gamers. Same with the Nintendo.

I've never really understood Sony's marketing this generation...I really feel like they're trying to appeal to the upper class gamer that wants everything, and that pushes away the lower class gamers.

The spin this generation seems like the PS3 is the rich man's 360, where it always should have been the 360 is the poor man's PS3...

[eagle21]

PS3 is the obvious choice. 360 isn't anyones PS3.

[Jockamo]

you know those gamers that have lives and don't care about "exclusives."

Sony had that demographic with the PS2. They thought they could cash in by relying on their established fanbase and charging more for a console.

MS took advantage of that by making their system customizable (or seemingly so for the public)...

During the first and second generation of games, the 360 had easily established a firm base by having better reviews, more games (no developer whininess), and a cheaper system.

I think MS has since gotten lazy and Sony has taken advantage of their laziness. Maybe it's a result of Peter Moore's departure...they just haven't been the same since he left.

If MS doesn't "get back to basics" (HYPE HYPE HYPE), than Sony will win back their gamers with that "good-old-days" feeling.

[Anon1974]

The 360 has tried and failed to attract the casual market which is blatantly evident when you look at games sales. Games that appeal to the hardcore like Call of Duty or Gears are snatched up day one, then sales drop off dramatically. That's an indication of the hardcore, not the casuals. Casuals don't buy games day one. It's been noted before that the spike in attach rates that come whenever a high profile, hardcore exclusive is released on the 360 is a symptom of the 360 being only played by the hardcore, not the formula for long term success. The $200 price tag may lure some of the casuals in but still the Wii is trouncing the 360 in sales despite being underpowered and more expensive by comparison. The 360 is trying to reel in the casuals but it doesn't look like they're having any success.

[No Way]

You could say that now, but for the last three years, the x360 was the obvious choice.

[Jockamo]

the 360 has certainly sold the "casual gamers" that don't want to look like an idiot in front of the television.

the wii attracted a whole new demographic. the casual gamer, to me, is one that plays as casually as he does passively. as opposed to the party gamer (and yes, the wii is a socially based console) who is certainly more active in its application.

swinging my arms around, or acting like i'm hammering something, or acting like i'm wearing a hula hoop does not appeal to me. does that make me a hardcore gamer? of course not. I'm more of a chillaxe and play for a few hours, then when I'm done go do something else kinda guy.

THAT to me is the casual gamer. A majority of people who own wii's probably never owned a console in their lives. I don't think a majority of those wii-gamers were originally ps2 gamers.

you are right in thinking that wii owners don't care about exclusives, but they don't care about looking like a douchebag in front of their friends either.

playing the wii is a completely different experience than playing a 360 or ps3--some casual gamers wouldn't even consider it to be a real console.

I think we're just discussing semantics, anyway. There's really no hard definition for casual and hardcore gamer--just something the "game media" cooked up.

regardless, the 360 has done well in turning over ps2 owners to their cause. just to keep things interesting, i hope devs get more out of their new dev kits to produce higher quality products that can compete with what the ps3 has coming up.

nothing like a healthy competition to keep the prices low.

[Captain Tuttle]

lol

[no_more_trolling]

sits back with food, watching the fanboys on each side make asses of themselves

[JD_Shadow]

I won't approve nor report this (I can't approve it anyway because it's already been approved). I'll stay neutral when it comes to the legality of this story.

That being said, however, the 360 might be in trouble for 2009, but not for the reasons you specified. The lack of decent first party exclusives and having nothing other that Halo and DLC of multiplat titles to offer in response to the steamroll of exclusives that the PS3 has to offer this year does not help MS in any way. Even with the price advantage, the 360 cannot win on price alone. They have to keep the "you get what you paid for" line away from the system, and right now, that isn't happening.

I haven't run into that E error yet, though, and the 360 isn't that bad of a system. It's just that MS used some really immoral ways to try to win this console war so far, and right now, Sony has some momentum like they did last year with their plate of exclusives. Let's just hope they can keep it this time because the gaming industry needs all of the big three to be healthy for competition.

EDIT@LukaX23: I didn't think it was fair that you got knocked all the way down to one bubble, so I gave you one. Like it or not, guys, this is his opinion that he is certainly entitled to.

Also, this stuff about fanboy blogs, let me inform you on something: Every blog, from Kotaku to IGN, is essentially a fanboy blog because they have their own opinions about things. It comes down to what someone bases their opinion on. In this case, I agree that the 360 is in a tough spot for 09 unless they come out with something that we should care about, but I don't think it is because of the reasons he gave (the rumored 2.7 FW might give the 360 a bit of a challenge, too). However, if we got rid of every single fanboy blog, we would essentially get rid of things that are actually creditable because they base their opinions on facts and figures that come from creditable sources.

That is all.

EDIT2: By the way, one more thing. I'm worried that these same people who cry "fanboy blog" will not say a word about the next PS3 is doomed article (you know there's bound to be another one sooner or later) that hits the front page. There's too much hypocrisy when it comes to stuff like this. It's fine for one side but not for the other. It's kind of irritating that people never seem to want to see THAT point.

[Ldubbz]

Again and again, we see the same false statements over and over. 360 has no lineup? What are you talking about?

First off, far more multiplats are sold than exclusives, and we all know which system does better there.

Secondly, this is barely March. Despite that, we have seen GTA 4: TLAD, which is very highly-rated and is selling extremely well. Then there's of course, Halo Wars which just released. Also, games from Nov/Dec are STILL selling well on 360. Gears 2, L4D, and Fable 2 are still putting up decent numbers, while R2 has fallen off the map completely, and LBP is barely hanging in there, and hasnt yet reached 1 million in the US.

And what has actually come out for the PS3 this year? Killzone 2. Its selling pretty decent...but then there's Halo Wars going and pretty much tying its sales in the US in 3 weeks vs Killzone's 4? Not to even mention Resident Evil 5.

Alls Im saying is this year is far from over, and so far there have been great games for the 360, exclusive and not. But to try to come out and flat out state "The 360 has no games for 2009" is complete rubbish.

EDIT: And I really have to quote this one...

"it's just that MS used some really immoral ways to try to win this console war so far..."

That one made me laugh. Nice.

[JD_Shadow]

"Killzone 2. Its selling pretty decent...but then there's Halo Wars going and pretty much tying its sales in the US in 3 weeks vs Killzone's 4?"

Umm...Halo Wars came out BEFORE KZ2! How can it have LESS weeks to do those sales? I'm wondering if I missed something here.

Anyway, I'm saying is that I don't see anything besides DLC and Halo on the guaranteed 2009 lineup that really interested me (and even those really don't make me want to run out and buy them). I bought my 360 for Fable 2 and the emulated arcade games they have on there. It isn't disappointing, but I would love to have some games that are truly exclusive to the 360 besides the Halo games. I have more friends on the PS3 to play with if I want to, and I got my PSN profile build up more than my 360 one, so I need SOME reason to fire up that 360 of mine. This is why I say that I think, at least in 09, the 360 doesn't have that many games I really care for IN COMPARISON TO the PS3 exclusive lineup.

My problem is that MS is too tied up in getting third party support and getting this exclusive DLC that they are not paying attention to everything else that's going on with the system and the industry. They are doing some rather immoral acts in my opinion. They really need to carve their own identity and destiny.

[gdguide]

The 360 is in a better position than it was ever with the first Xbox, but I think people will be hard pressed convincing us that the PS3 isn't picking up some serious steam with pretty amazing visuals with a pretty deep set of games coming. In other words, the PS3 is finally doing what some people hoped around launch. And I'm not sure MS has shown much yet that can rival the tech behind KZ2, Gow3, Uncharted 2 and beyond. Alan Wake could potentially do it, but Lost Planet 2 isn't quite there. Basically, the PS3 has a load of exclusives that are showing stuff I haven't seen before technically. Not at the levels of detail and atmosphere and sheer scope that we're seeing. Rage is another game that could do it, but time will tell.

[GMR_PR]

Is the Xbox 360 in trouble?

Far from it.

[Smokzdaizm]

Because according to you guys only Sony can do everything and Microsoft and their customers should stop gaming all together. Say what you want about Microsoft but it took Sony two generations to get a functioing systems because PS1 and PS2 had very high failure rates (and I know because I paid Sony $300 like a fool to fix my PS2 twice Hell I didn't pay that much for the system itself) I just wish the fanboyism will stop everybody has their preference, so just enjoy your damn consoles. I have something to be mad about with each system. I'm mad at 360 for RROD on my launch console but t hey fixed it for free and I have not had a problem since. I'm mad at Sony because I paid $600 for a system with a bare bones online service in 2009, which is freakin ridiculous free or not it should take 5 hours to download two damn demos.

[ironmonkey]

Smokzdaizm i can smell your fanboyism and it stinks! lol especially when you say ps1,ps2 had a high failure and criticize ps3 all in one sentence lol take a chill pill son. are you mad? id be especially if i bought an xbox and was expecting ms to announce something big but in the end nothing lol and alan wake a no show HAHA!

[Phantom_T]

Takes me half hour tops,and Killzone 2's demo didn't even hit the half hour mark.

[Smokzdaizm]

So your saying Sony did not have a high failure rate esp with the PS2-DRE, and I guess it's okay that it took me five hours to download two demos on PSN which shares that same connection with my 360 which I downloaded 3 demos in less than 20 minutes come on. Unlike some of you I can criticize any company that has taken my hard money when I purchased their console no matter if it's Mircosoft or Sony. And who's to say Micrsoft won't make any annoucements this year. People were saying thing about Sony not too long ago and look at it now. No matter who makes an announcement I have nothing to worry about because I have both consoles and don't have to miss anything, yet this is a 360 post populated by 98% of Sony fanboys hmmm yet I'm the fanboy. Get real

[BGDad]

Microsoft will never have again what it had to start this generation so if they couldnt put sony away then they sure as heck wont do it from here on out.

They had there chance but RROD + Live fee essentially made them lose. Sony had a great working console + no online fee. THEY BASICALLY COUNTER ATTACKED MICROSOFT WITH THE ONLY THING THEY COULD AND ATTACKED IT FOR MASSSIVE DAMAGE. HAD MICROSOFT HAD NO LIVE FEE AND A NORMAL FAILURE RATE THEY WOULD HAVE STOLE THIS GENERATION AND NEXT. INSTEAD THEY REALLY JUST PIST A LOT OF PEOPLE OFF.

[Grown Folks Talk]

No way a consumer can possibly look up upcoming games on their system unless there's a commercial for it. Dedicated gamers find information on their own. Casual gamers browse & window shop stores, & make most choices based on friends or other word of mouth. It's one or the other. Sony doesn't sell games because they don't advertise. MS advertises too much, but the games all sell like doo doo according to the N4G experts. I can't name a single game I've bought (or any other product for that matter) because of a commercial.

[Socomer 1979]

10 Miliion consoles a year !

why does ps3 have to catch up to xbox360's lead?
they had a whole year to sell 8 million.
So what?

[II Necroplasm II]

Yes 8 million is a small number. :/

360 has about already reached the 30 million mark and didn't have a Bluray drive to do it either.

[silverchode]

being the cheapes out of the 3 consoles didnt have anaything to do with it. :)

[Figboy]

but as a gamer, i have to say i'm pretty concerned about what games i'll be playing on the 360 this year and beyond.

let me paint a clearer picture.

in 2007, the 360 had Crackdown, Call of Juarez, Halo 3, Mass Effect, Bioshock, and others from 2006 like Dead Rising, Lost Planet, etc, to keep people interested and excited about the console.

last year, it was Tales of Vesperia, Ninja Gaiden 2, Banjo and Kazooie: NAB, Too Human, Gears of War 2, and Fable 2. honestly, a step down from the stellar 2007 lineup (granted Gears 2 was the biggest title of that lineup, and sold accordingly. the others didn't fair so well).

this year, we have, Star Ocean 4, Ninja Blade, Halo Wars, Halo 3: ODST, MAYBE Alan Wake, and not much else.

on the flip side, the Playstation 3 had a great 2008, with MGS4, Resistance 2, Little Big Planet, Motorstorm PR, Valkyria Chronicles, and some really good PSN games like SOCOM, Pixel Junk Eden, and Wipeout HD.

this year, so far, we have Killzone 2, with inFamous, MAG, Heavy Rain, Uncharted 2, Ratchet and Clank Future: ACIT, Ninja Gaiden Sigma 2, White Knight Chronicles, MAYBE God of War 3, and a bunch of PSN games like Fat Princess, the next Pixel Junk game, Burn Zombie Burn, and more.

i'm not trying to instigate a flame war, but i'm trying to illustrate that there is a lot to look forward to on the exclusives front on the PS3 this year, while the 360's full exclusive 2009 lineup is a mystery, and we are down nearly 4 months into this year already, with not even a RUMOR or info leak to hint at what MS is planning.

considering the history of leaks and rumors, i find this disconcerting. NOTHING is kept secret in the gaming industry for long.

i mean, hell, that GoW3 footage from GDC shouldn't have got out, and yet it did. NOTHING is secure with the internet the way it is, and you expect me to believe that MS has this whole host of games it's keeping from us when they only have 4 first party studios?

i'm sorry, my logic parameters won't let me go too far out on the "blind faith" path on this one. not when there is such a precedent for leaks and spoilers in the industry out there. we knew about things like HOME weeks and weeks before they were revealed.

i'm not writing Microsoft off yet, but my gaming budget is almost already tapped out with Playstation 3 titles ALONE. outside of Alan Wake, there isn't much on the 360 that really has me excited. and that's a shame.

Bioshock 2 is hitting the PS3, and i have no doubt that Mass Effect 2 will hit the PS3 next year along with the 360 and PC version.

i'm not getting rid of my 360 (i don't get rid of gaming consoles), but i'm seriously hoping to see some new games for it by E3, or i'll be very angry that i spent money on a console that burned itself out on software by it's 3rd year.

[mastiffchild]

I see what you're saying Figboy and as someone who only recently returned to 360 ownership it's something that does concern me slightly.
Yeah, I've got a year of catching up to do but when thats done I'll be wanting something good for my 360 and right now I've basically got ODST to look forward to for definite and as I play all my multis on PS3 that isn't a very attractive picture.
MR do usually keep their cards closer than Sony but I'm hard pressed to guess at what, if anything much, MS might be keeping back-lets hope AW does arrive with a couple of good looking mates for a hot tub gaming session sometime this year.
Rare could well have one or two(KI3 or PDZ2?)things coming soon but it's looking like E3 before we'll hear much now in any case.

[tudors]

very unbiased opinion there mate, though there are other games, I am not going to make a list but the one that interests me the most is Deusx3.

[Figboy]

but i never got to play the sequel.

who knows if part 3 will be exclusive or not, though?

i get all my multi-plats on the PS3 because i prefer the controller and the free online.

i also prefer exclusive titles to multi-plats because i really like to see what the consoles i've bought are capable of.

i don't think Unreal Engine 3 is truly representing the 360 and what it can do. putting aside HDD and DVD issues, i think the 360 is capable of SO MUCH MORE than what UE3 is giving it. i just want Microsoft to show us that with some strong first party lineups.

what i've learned in my life is that you can't always rely on everybody else to help you out (i was reminded of that last weekend when a family member was supposed to take me to pick up a car, and they fell through for various reasons, and i had no way to get up there - buses didn't go that far, and paying a taxi for that trip in LA would have cost me about as much as the car! lol).

Microsoft is relying too much on 3rd parties to make the 360 worthwhile, while Sony is continuing to strengthen first and second party support, and getting developers to work from the ground up on the PS3. games like Uncharted, Ratchet and Clank Future, GoW3, Heavy Rain, and Killzone 2 would not have been possible on a 3rd party licensing solution or budget.

Kojima Productions took a risk with MGS4 by developing it from the ground up on it's own engine, and on the PS3 at a time when it's install base was much, much smaller than it is now, and that gamble paid off. not every third party can be so lucky and they are more of an exception than a rule.

games like the PS3 exclusives i listed above really encourage and inspire creative developers, because it shows them what is possible on the console, and gets their gears running.

the "Gears of War look" is getting rather old, and less impressive everytime another UE3 game is released. i can honestly say that there is not a game out there that looks like Uncharted, or Ratchet and Clank Future, or Killzone 2, or even inFamous. i can point to more than just a few titles that look like Gears, diluting it's impact with their mediocrity. the copycats are hurting Gears more than helping it.

with 3rd party engines like RAGE and CryEngine 3 on the scene, at least we'll start to get more variation, but eventually even THOSE engines will be used to death. it's one of the positives of having built from the ground up engines like the Sony devs - each game looks varied and unique from one another. you wouldn't ever confuse Heavenly Sword with God of War, despite them being in the same genre, because their graphical engines are so different, as well as their art design.

i'd like to see something like that on the 360. and more of it when it does happen. i'd have loved to see what a game like Too Human, or Fable 2 if the developer was truly given the time and budget to go all out with their vision.

the Playstation 3 is hitting it's stride, while it feels like the 360 is slowing down to catch it's breath. hopefully it will get a second wind, but it better do so fast, because Sony has a LOT of games simply waiting in the wings to give it more of a boost (ie, Twisted Metal, Incognito's new game, David Jaffes new game, Syphon Filter PS3, Level 5's new RPG beyond White Knight Chronicles, Team Ico's new game, etc, etc).

Microsoft has been, without a doubt, the BEST competition Sony has faced since they entered the gaming market, and both Xbox and Playstation fans have benefited from it in the end. the last thing i want is for Sony to get c0cky and arrogant again. look at what Pride is doing to Nintendo these days. even MS is getting a swagger in their step, though i'm still not quite sure why.

[b777conehead]

the reason the sells for the 360 sells more then Sony. everyone buys two of them for a back up when the first one rrod . then the second one rrods so its either buy a new one are wait 6-8 weeks for return the 360. blade star you need to get a life and get your head out of npd stats .ill take Sony 1st party games any day. oh thats right Microsoft docent have to many 1st party developers any more. they couldn't keep up with Sony first party's looking so good. and the best Microsoft's first party's could do is make games that looked like the original x box games. blade star go get a ps3 then you will be happy

[rekonizakilla]

It's bs really, but I've seen too many dooms day articles about the ps3 to have any sympathy for 360 lovers.

[n to the b]

and poorly-written bs at that. seriously why do all these 5th-grade-writing-level 'articles' get approved?

anyway there were a couple of valid points (that have already been made but whatever). mainly, that 360 with all parts is actually more $ than PS3; and that the differences between 360 & PS3 online features are shrinking.

[al_manadi]

i dont think the 360 is in any trouble at the moment. the 360 is $200 and that alone will guarantee it will sell alot of consoles. parents that buy systems dont really care about the HD, they're kids might but the kid's arent the ones buying consoles.

we dont know much about what games microsoft has instore for 2009, but they have a pretty big back catalouge of games for 360 owners.

the only things that microsoft might be worried about are:

1)sony's price cut(which they could probably match with their own)
2)sony's exclusive releases(although none so far have matched gears or halo sales)

if i was a 360 owner i'd be worried about the 360's future just a little bit, because remember microsoft abandoned the first xbox pretty damn fast to work on the 360 while sony still supported the ps2.

[Covenant]

Some good points there...but I do think that the 360 will have a longer life than the original Xbox, for these reasons:

~It costs tons of moolah to develop and launch a new console. With the economy being what it is, I don't foresee another Xbox until 2011, at the very earliest.

~The 360 does have a ton of life left in it...imagine a 360, with hundreds of games, at $149/$99...look at what the PS2 did at that price point.

~There were other factors behind MS abandoning the Xbox, including GPU contracts, and the fact that the original system hemorrhaged money.

Otherwise, I agree with you.

[tudors]

it's just dry right now but that will pass.

[Sir Ken_Kutaragi]

GOD that is rare seeing that title on this site!!! ;-D

[Covenant]

Only see about ten of these a week.

It's in about the same amount of trouble as the PS3.

[ASSASSYN 36o]

There will be 4 more by next week. The same complaints. The same do the math statements.

[Covenant]

You're being rather conservative with that number. :)

Kinda sad, isn't it?

[TheMART]

PS3 catching up?

Since when?

Its still 8 mln. units behind and since September 2008 the PS3 sales compared to the same month a year earlier is decreasing while the 360 monthly sales compared to the same month a year back is increasing.

No catching up for the PS3 this gen

[GUNKILLA]

look the ps3 might be behind a little in the NPD yes . but the ps3 is out selling wii and 360 in japan the ps3 is out selling 360 in europe an Australia so if u look at the world wide sales yes ps3 is starting to steam role 360 . plzz don't comment bk some crap about NPD sales because its world wide what mater

[GiantEnemyCrab]

What source are you using for your world numbers? VGChartz?

There really isn't any hard tracking for much of the EU region. Here are the lastest WW numbers according to VGChartz.. Take it for what you will. I don't give VGC much credit so maybe you can give me your source for WW numbers.

http://www.n4g.com/NewsPend...

X360 - 204,120 (-15%) 29,582,401
PS3 - 173,585 (-15%) 21,401,701

Doesn't look like the PS3 is winning in WorldWide sales either.

Of course, I don't believe any of this "in trouble" for either system. 360 is just in a real dry spell at the moment when it comes to exciting announcements.

[silverchode]

fanboys are blind.

[PSGamingInc]

yet Microsoft continues to outsell the PS3. Sony's overall numbers were embarrassingly down from the same month last year for the latest data released.

Just wait until Lair(LOL) releases....Check
Just wait until Haze(LoL) releases....Check
Just wait until MGS4 releases...Check
Just wait until Final Fantasy XIII releases(DOH!!)...Check
Just wait until LBP releases....Check
Just wait until Resistance 2 releases....Check
Just wait until Killzone 2 releases...Check

Make of it what you will, but do you know how many times PS3 fanboys have speculated, no GUARANTEED the ineveitable failure of the 360 only to have to eat a big plate of crow? I used to be one of those idiots, so I have first hand knowledge. In other words, it doesn't matter what the PS3 has coming, the 360 is not going away.

[Guitardr85]

Do I have a PS3...Yes
Do I have a 360...No
Does it matter...No
Is this article restupid...TOTALLY!!!

[No Way]

Word.

[Phantom_T]

I'm guessing it would be hard to get a decent number on how many PS3's are actually being sold in Europe,especially with Europe's history of great teamwork...
The UK hit 2 million a while back,but overall numbers are pure speculation.
Don't go saying "PS3 is steamrolling the 360" when you have no hard facts.

[No Way]

Is your face in trouble?

La la la. ^_^

[be_wrong]

yes especially without a strong line up, hardware problems, etc. they should be worried

[onijutsu]

who gives a sh!t

[Obama]

After GDC, don't think even the bots can twist the fact that the 360 doesn't have much to offer in 09.

"Wait until E3!!!!" -bot

[LordDhampire]

no

[ForROME]

It has been in trouble since the day the following was was talked about

Engineer: The yield is bad we have to many system coming off the line with issues

VP: Ship them anyways...

[xanith83]

Sony just needs to drop the price on the ps3 soon.. it would make sence to do so with all these games coming out this year..

[Rhezin]

it just doesn't have the quality titles like it used to. Sony is back on top, maybe not according to "NPD" like so many morons like bladestar like to point out, but it's got the hardware AND the software. If you can't acknowledge how many quality titles sony's first party development teams releases, and how so much hard work goes into them, then your an arrogant a$$hole and that just makes me want to punch your face in even more.

[MADPIRAHNA]

The 360 is the PS3s' B1T<H now. It has also became the tard pack of HD gaming.

[MERKD]

Posting the exact same thing 4 times wont make more people pay attention.
"60%"..."2007& quot;..."going into the red"..(we know and we get it)
Your points are good...but once is enough ;)

[deshon09]

keep at this rate it will the 360 will be put in its place

[bviperz]

is:

"...only a matter of time until both consoles are battling for what really matters, and what should still really matter in the gaming world - games."

Not sales, games.

[news4noobs]

if a random guy of a ramdom site says it, then it must be true...

about as true as that the ps3 is a gaming machine. once an overpriced blurayplayer, always an overpriced blurayplayer with a TINY games library (and not even a good one) compared to the competition. it's good enough for NOOBS though, they won't notice the missing AA and all other things.