Ryan Rigney of SlapStic.com begs the question of why NO ONE is reviewing XNA games. Shouldn't a gaming platform with over 200 games have critics weighing in on it? This is discussed, and some ideas are tossed out, after the jump.
Yeah, XNPlay does, but with some of the horrible games and clones people can submit as Community games are awful, they mainly take the mick out of the badly designed games or shameless clones. They've only found about 8 or so good games so far and one of those is even better as a freeware game on the PC 'DuoTrix'.
Yeah that site is mentioned in the article, but they don't provide scores, which for short-form games like XNA community games is pretty lame.
Yeah, but I think that since its connected to RetroRemakes, thats the way they choose to review them, even the reviews of the remakes on the main site (appears to be down now) are pretty sarcastic. Someone probably should, but they'd be wasting a heck of a lot of money because nobody's making anything really that good and original unless review copies were somehow sent. Sometimes http://www.indiegames.com/b... (IndieGames) ends up doing slight reviews, a lot more in detail, less sarcastic, but no scores either, sometimes he has interviews, but doesn't really do much to do with the whole XNA movement because nobody with talent appears to be making games up there. I find the idea of XNA exciting, but nothings got me tempted to spend my points yet. Its a shame, because I thought that XNA Community Games was going to be like another Net Yaroze on Playstation and something I could really like on the 360. It's still pretty early in life, just the same way that Home is for the PS3, things can only get better, I guess.
Yeah at least there are free demos for all games. That way, if you have the time, you can just queue up a bunch that look interesting and test them out.
is for microsoft to just make a community review site. Just take the database of games from here: http://catalog.xna.com/en-U... and pop on a user review thing like on metacritic or amazon or some butts. It wouldn't be hard at all, and would really be a great thing for the service.
I totally agree. That'd be a great idea. My problem with XNA games is that it's so hard to discern quality, and none of them are marketed to me so I forget the service even exists. Maybe with the next dashboard update, the could integrate a rating service into the marketplace and you could search by highest rating. One of my favorite parts about Steam is that every game's Metacritic score is displayed on the shopping menu, and I can quickly check reviews and decide if its a worthy purchase. Hell, Microsoft could learn a lot from Steam with their Marketplace approach but that's a post for another day...
I liked Dishwasher and that crayon drawing game :3
Microsoft could also let the community review games ala the iTunes store.
Though Xbox Community games were certainly a good IDEA (who wouldn't want the a PC-esque indie scene on a console?), the execution was terrible. People can argue. People can point to all two of the worthwhile games from XNA. The fact remains that XNA on the 360 has produced zero (that would be "0", nil, nada) games up to par with the other games available for download on Live Arcade, and that's after three years since XNA launched.
er... but haven't games only been available for download on 360 for 3 months? And how are we to know that none of them are good? Surely some must be good. That's why we need reviewers.
@ RKRigney The problem is that none of them ARE good. And three months available =/= three months being developed. There's a difference. The XNA community has been able to use the tools since 2006, like I said.
There are some that are good. I have about 5. Just becasue you dont like them does not mean they are not good. We know your a Sony Fanboy. I bet if PSN had this then they would ALL be good, Right?
Why must you bring bias and disrespect to a fellow gamer? Why cant you just say that you disagree, and give your reason without insults/slanderies, and without degrading the community more with needless console based hate? Let me ask, what system(s) do you own? Because I think I'm starting to see a pattern. Just out of curiousity. Back on topic, can anyone tell me if you still have to pay extra to use the XNA benefits? If not, then I need to go check it out, I have left XNA alone since it's infancy, because of the subscription price even after paying to use my internet, and paying to use Live. So much nickel and diming. Thank you in advance for both your time, and your consideration.
and now its being released on xbla
I think he's whining because you don't have to stand in virtual qeues to play XNA games. But I still can't access them here in Europe! Get your act together MS!
The games you stand in virtual queues for are worth playing when compared to XNA Community Games. And that's sad.
Why are people surprised that a lot of the games are "crap"? Have you looked at youtube, at all? What percentage of the videos on there do you think are actually worth watching? 1%? At best? It's not easy making a game. It's really really not. And it takes more than 3 months to really make anything worthwhile.
The toolset isnt "3 years old". XNA 3.0 -- with LIVE Suppor (net code and ability to publish to Xbox) -- has been out for less than 6 months. A very worthwhile group of games has been built up, and you can see the over-all quality getting better and better. I review the new releases all the time -- i've bought a few games too -- and I can see the titles getting bigger, more technically capable and better looking/playing all the time. XNA is a game-changer for the console industry, the only people who think otherwise have an agenda.
I thought Revenge of the Ball was a really good XNA Game.
Derrick H is that you?
Try Mithra, Episode 1, Chapter 1! You will enjoy it.
no one will care about xbox360 & we will stop caring about what reviewers think. LOL! I'm a natural born leader & I never just listen to anybody. I learn the hard way & I make my own rules. The day I care about a review or reviewer is the day I have something in common with useless losers from the Internet. Hang yourself with a cellular phone or take a long walk off a short pier if you don't like that I don't follow the herd of mindless stupid people who need guidance & reassurance in the form of a jaded cynical 30 year old man who is speaking to a group of children & telling them wharf hot & what's not. who asked you? Just show the previews & interview the devs but I'll be goddamed if I take anyones word at face value. That's why I have friends & you have x-play.
LOL at this "I'm a natural born leader & I never just listen to anybody" sorry Socom, but I dont see you as natural born leader, you don't inspire nothing.
There are no extra fee's to play xna games unless your an xna developer and you want to see and play the hundreds of games still in development. The good thing is the fact that developers get paid if they make something that sells. Now I know this is confusing to some but xna is nothing more than a tool MS is using to pull people into the game development arena. These games might seem average but chances are the next kojima or whom ever will be located using these tools. I've seen some cool stuff coming out and to be honest there is nothing Sony or nintendo has on this innovation. Anybody looking for super amazing games shouldn't look at xna games because this is nothing more than a resume or entry ticket into the game. This is good news for us so quit hating people.
I'd rather play games made by the pros. It's cool that they have XNA though. I'm sure if you look, you'll find a couple of gems.
or use ut3 tools & get busy for ps3 gamers. those games suck a$$ & if you wanna play a suck a$$ game then use your mac to play some porn flash games that are a million times better. This case is closed & we find the verdict a huge fckn waste of time & space. The penalty is you are forced to pay to play co-op on resident evil 5 you fckn moron. iTunes ? I should drop you from the roof.
with the restrictions & limitations , the only resum'e for these wannabes should be a confession to the murder of creativity.
Xna is is the future wether you want to grasp it or not. Creativity is a big thing with XNA and there's no denying it. As a matter a fact there's more creativity on xna then anything on xbla or psn. The list of games is growing and hopefully some of these guys start getting picked up by developers. I'm really not sure why you guys are hating on XNA because when it's all said and done your all talk until you get in there and make something better.
If you're finding limitations using XNA, then it's time to buy a real dev kit. Got a few grand to spare?
XNA must be THE innovation of the moment, in summer I'll start developping xna games, I'm looking forward to see how it unfolds. I've made some websites so I've got some know-how.
Microsoft is doing a piss poor job at communicating to the masses that they even exist, there hasnt been any ads for it and its just not mentioned much unless you have a 360 and look for it. And the other reason is because a majority of the games stink.
They are letting it start. XNA 3.0 is new, very new, and MS is rightfully letting people get experience before they try to help move the *games* themselves. Right now, they are marketing to developers mostly it seems. There are MANY good quality titles appearing at http://catalog.xna.com but MS is letting it ramp-up. Its not a failure, it would be intentional.
go play some Queerzone 2 and quit acting like an ignoramus.
Any day over Queers of War 2 And that other Gay Shooter you got on your ShatBox That one were they all dress up in Over the top Bright pastel colors You Know the one that looks like an alien day out at the mardi Gras Festival Halo 3
It's like saying you would rather take the smaller penis than a larger one.
^^ Jason 360 why wouldnt he want to take a smaller one? Jason are you saying youd rather have a big penis inside you?......
Magic_The_Celt you F-ed that one up, should have thunk about a bit longer.
@4.3 lol..don't think too quick on your feet do you boy?
Queerzone 2 Queers of War Metal Queer Solid Gaylo For those of you new to N4G, us fanboys like to associate games on the rival console with homosexuality because it shows off our creativity. Yeah!
because that game looked friggin sweet for an XNA game. I'd play that 1 if I still had a 360.
Weapon of Choice FTW.
I certainly don't care about XNA. It's a nice concept, but it's little more than flash or freeware games that are about 5 years or more old which now have prices attached to them.
That common-sense comment sums up the argument nicely. Socomer and Gwave were just talking crap. Give XNA a few more years (because fanboys have been saying the same thing for the PS3) and maybe no-name developers will start putting out games worth buying.
Definitely, there's a lot of talented indie devs out there and XNA is a great platform if they take advantage of it. I hope XNA is a success, because it's giving indie developers money for their effort but it needs more compelling content.
I am not going to pay for something that is made by some nobody!
all you sony Fanboys are wild ...there are an whole lot of good games on the XBLCG ,,dish washer,little video gamer just to name a few ..quit being a hater an be an gamer feel me!
Um, what are XNA games? I don't own a 360, so I have no idea what XNA is.
THE DRUMS OF WAR FROM THE SONY FANBOYS IS LOUD AND PROUD
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