A lot of people say that Xbox has a wide selection of games and has the top quality line ups year after year but if you really think about it, they don't.
So when you started to be a developer for XBox 360 games?
In an interview with Gameplayer regarding Red Faction: Guerrilla, producer Rick White claims that they have maxed out the power of the Xbox 360 and have already starting looking towards the Xbox 720 for their next projects. Full interview through the link. http://www.n4g.com/News-253... Enough said.
Agree... Veraegic. They maxed out too the limit's for Gears of war 2 but as you can see..... There is no difference in graphic's with Gears of war 1.. That is the truth... I know i will get many disagree from the bots.. But it's the truth..
sure it is /sarc. lol what about how no 1 anticipated Shadow of the Colossus or Okami graphics on PS2?? yeah I'm sure we'll never get a better-looking 360 game, it's totally maxed /more sarc. and of course let's not forget that this is a poorly-written blog by someone with a 5th-grader IQ (u did read the actual 'article', right?). I think the word they use 4 this on n4g is FAIL?
"They maxed out too the limit's for Gears of war 2 but as you can see..... There is no difference in graphic's with Gears of war 1." yet we have to listen to ignorant kids talk about how the 360 GPU pwns the RSX seven ways from Sunday. One is producing hype generating visuals and the other is being read its last rites. Silly wabbits, talking about console technology isn't for kids.
has it? well ask sony fans, as usual they have all the answers. but i guess we will find out when splinter cell conviction and alan wake get released.
their is always ways to make your code more efficient until MS get some serious 1 first party support, that will continually work on making the tools for 360 games better, then we wont know wat the console can and cant do
And Microsoft claims it has the best Dev tools in the industry that immediately tapped the console's power. So you're saying they mislead us all this time? That it's capable of a lot more. But that developers are just incapable of utilizing its "hidden power"?
Its just a dumb a$$ fanboy talkin crap there isnt 1 thing in that article that is true. There always new way to code and new software to take advantage of hell their are only 2 games out that use euphoria and only 1 game that use DMM. That gives you an idea of how much they can still push both the ps3 and the 360
NEWS does not: -Have a question mark in the headline. -Have the phrase "but if you really think about it..." in the article. I could go on. Doesn't belong here, or really anywhere people might accidentally read it.
Has the 360 reached its limit? Huh? The 360 improves on the limits of its nearest competitor with nearly every Multiplat that is released, including the most recent ones. It really looks like the 360 limits are just a little bit better than the competition. So I guess, no, the 360 hasn't reached its limits, if it continues to outperform in so many areas. But that's just my 2c.
Why was this blog even approved? History thought us that no console reached its limit and stayed on a plateau after a short bit. PS2 games are still getting better after 10 years and 360 games would if a single 360 remains in working condition in 7 years from now. Same goes on all platforms.
can anyone say that they weren't impressed? Seriously, if the limit is Gears of War 2 then that's a pretty darn good limit. But I doubt that's the case. Alan Wake looks like it'll raise the bar for 360 games and then some game will come along and raise the bar even higher. This happens every gen. Heck, look at MadWorld and you can't help but be impressed with what devs are doing with a glorified gamecube aka The Wii. (Couldn't resist).
I don't even own a 360 and I can tell you games will get better and so will gfx. Like how long have you guys been playing games? Take the last 4 or 5 major consoles and compare thier first gen games to their last.
I dunno. With the 360 going into it's 4th year and Gears 2 looking slightly better than Gears 1, I'm unsure we should expect the types of leaps we've seen from Sony going in it's 3rd year. Year after year, we've seen 1st party PS3 games get better and better looking, while 360 UE3 games relatively remain the same. Fable 2 isn't a graphical powerhouse. Halo 3 isn't. Ninja Gaiden 2 isn't and the only screens we've seen from Alan Wake are PC. Multiplatform games are always going to look the same. MS published/1st party games don't come close to what we've seen with Heavy Rain, Uncharted 2, God of War 3 or Killzone 2. Until then, IMO, it's peaked.
This stuff is just ridiculous. IT'S A BLOG!!! I'm no fan of the X-box, but this aint really news. These silly "R.I.P 360" and "The PS3 is dying" articles are lame blogs. Not news. This stuff is makin this site so crap I think I might go back to IGN or Gamesradar for ACTUAL gaming news...
Yes it did. Another article that could have been shortened to a single sentence.
You gots lots of disagrees nd by from what you said, I would say they came from the PS3 fanboys.. But, I guess you rally can't push the PS3 anymore. =) Jokes.
That game is all kinds of sick.
The article is utter rubbish but miraculously the premise is correct. The reality is that the 360's performance is pretty much tapped out. The benefit of using a straightforward and familiar architecture is that developers can quickly max out it's performance. The few challenges with 360 development were overcome within the first year. The two big ones were tiling (compare PGR3 and PGR4) and using all three CPU cores without causing horrendous cache misses due to tiny 1MB cache. That's about it. The other bottlenecks and hang-ups are pretty much uncurable. For example, there's only so much you can do with 1MB of cache, particularly if part of it's locked up for streaming. That's why there has been no improvement in 360 graphics since year 1. What I'd like to see is a 360 game based on the ideas and art-style of the Wii's MadWorld.
Just because something is easy to program for doesn't mean its prone from having syntax errors. Java is one of the easiest languages to program for, but even in a small program, it is easy to lost during all the debugging. And no..MS never has the best dev kits. I've used every visual studios, the NXA and I've always found open source dev kits to be so much better, because they don't need to follow MS's always strict rules.. disagree if you want, but you try programming. It's not easy.
Yep it's way past it's limits. Several devs have spoken out loud and said the 360 has been maxed out. Lets face it, if the 360 was able to churn out graphically superior games it would have done so starting with Gears 2 but that turned out to be Gears 1.5 even with a dev (EPIC GAMES) who knows the ins-and-outs of the 360 hardware. The 360 has been out longer than the ps3 so ask yourself why hasn't it seen a substantial amount of graphical growth? Why is the ps3 devastatingly widening the gap when it comes to quality gaming? Why has the ps3 grown so much in such a short amount of time while the 360 has been on the market for nearly 4 years?. The simple answer is the ps3 has more power and quality devs who know exactly how to develop for the ps3. The 360 isn't going anywhere anytime soon but don't expect the quality in gameplay and graphics of future titles to see an huge lift. Even GOW3 is proving that the ps3 is a beast with it's (god knows how huge) gigantic titans and what not as a moving level in it self. Now that is what you call EPIC. That is what you call innovation people. EDIT: To the childish troll who disagreed with my logically correct rant, why don't you post your disagree so we can have a logical debate? ooops.
why not post it in the gaming zone then? plus does it matter if the 360 is maxed out, the ps2 hit max after year 2. yet it still continued to sell well. correct me if im wrong, wasn't last gen "graphics don't matter gameplay does" but now its all graphics even if it plays like crap. -nai-
its called better devs and new engines ..something MS does not have right now..or maybe is not showing at the moment ..and Sony apparently has too many and about Gears 2 not being a big jump..neither was Resistance 2 from the first one.. anyways.. Sony does have better 1st party devs...won't argue ..thas why uncharted ..killzone and God of War look good... but don't go so fast .. lets see what the competition can do when they show their guns.. oops
Unfortunately you'll be playing that "lets wait and see" game for a very long time. Deal with it, the 360 is at it's peak.
Coming from a man with Helghast in his name means very little.
i'll be playing wait and see ..because the 360 is at it's peak? really?? how do i play with graphics??
Did you really just call out Gears2? The game that smashed Waitstations entire holiday lineup. You really are retarded.
Hahaha the 360 butt buddies are in full deploy. Looks like a hit a sentitive nerve or two, or three lol. Calm down children there's always hope for Gears 2.5
is that so, the only reason 360 sold well was because price drop and a hell lot of advertisements, subsequently gow2 also sold good but kill ps3 lineup, lol don't joke around.
for such a logically correct rant you should know that statement isn't logically possible you also need to straighten out your "its vs. it's" the fact is the article sucks, just because a console has supposedly peaked graphically does not mean that it cannot produce amazing games the guy who wrote it is a idiot
@ helghast slayer Oh! Didn't you want to have a logical debate with those who didn't agree with you? and now you are calling butt buddies? whats wrong? this times your butt buddies are not here to help you? you don't even seem to understand that consoles are not the reason of maxing out graphics... thats where game engines come in///do you think Gears 2 jump in graphics wasn't tha big because of the 360 being maxed out? Didn't you stop and think that the game is running on the same engine as the first game that they updated it a bit?? that was created years ago ? Do you think Left 4 Dead looks so outdated because the 360 is maxed out? or maybe because Valve's source engine is old..and was created for Half Life 2 on 2004? reply to me while you keep searching for your buddies pal ;)
*sigh* it's been more than 5 replies and so far not a single one of you 12year olds have been able to answer my questions above. I'm really starting to believe you 360 loyalists are a bunch of rabbid 12year old baboons that roam this site. So much for thinking otherwise.
what a nice way of wasting your last bubble after being proven wrong.... you can reply to my last post if you want ;)
@n4ps3g yeah right, it was the gears engine that was maxed, right. then where is there another game that surpasses that? an extra year hasnt done squat, what does that point to? the hardware or software? like what was said where is the growth? ps3 is accelerating forward, 360 is coasting and not much is showing that looks like it is going to change. yeah i know, i know, wait until e3 right, see you then.
Gears 2 was limited by the engine, not the 360.
halo wars amazing game? l&d amazing game? GeOW2 amazing game? yeah very amazing, anyway, as far as I am concerned M$ does not own Naughty Dog, Team ICO, Santa Monica, Polyphony and Zipper.
@ lokiro please show all the big games that came out after Gears 2 running on new engines that prove the 360 is maxed out? That way you could show me how bad and outdated it looks.. oh yeah ..you can't because there isn't any ...when a new big game comes out ..from a good dev ..and a new engine ..and it looks like crap..then come back here ... see you then
come on 360 had over a year head start, is that all you can say, their progression should be ahead of the ps3, yet all you can say is the engines are dated. over 3 years into the 360 and nothing? the 360 hardware didnt change from the original xbox the way the ps3 did, so whats the excuse? whos to say gears 1 didnt top off the 360, how do you know, maybe gears 2 is as refined as the engine can get, which is more likely since all the box boys suckle the gears ball bag so devoutly. @below faulty logic, whos the one going on what ifs and wait and see? who is looking at killzone uncharted god of war and others. an extra year is extra time, doesnt that play into your wait and see argument? really i think you have confused yourself from the walking and talking in circles. is that hard to understand? like i said progression where is it you disgruntled little box boy?
Ill give you my last bubble..for you. what the fuk does a 1 year of head start means?? Blame the devs for using the same rehashed engines..on their new games..instead of creating something new..if thats so hard for you to understand ...refining an engine is not the same ..as using a new one.. built up from the ground.. when the Unreal engine 4 gets out ..you will understand. Can't try to explain this if you don't wanna believe...whatever..use your faulty logic and amaze the world with your stupidity.
God of War 2 says hi... And I know you probably don't know the game, but the differences between Super Robot Wars OG and Z are pretty major.
N4PS3, no offense but you got some really weak arguments.
Helghast Slayer u have once again proven yourself to be nothing but an ignorant turd. N4PS3G is right u say want to have a nice logical discussion and instead counter his well-made reply with nothing but name-calling. bubbles down 4 u and bubbles up 4 N4PS3G.
Don't try to pass your opinions off as "logically correct". That's an insult to both logic and correctness.
this is 3 paragraphs of nothing seriously, i've seen better articles come from hiphopgamer
Agree, This Article is Trash.
That is a complete waste of time. I wish there was a feature on this site similar to how you can ignore users, you can ignore clicks on links to other site like this one. Complete waste of time.... actually, it looks like hiphopgamer approved this article... lol
no surprise there lol
yawn. here is my take(blog) on it. 360 is a wonderful gaming machine (as is the ps3). and i rock. end of story
maybe he wrote it under an alias. You know, just to see if people are biased against him and not his articles.
What??? Wheres the rest of the article...it was like 3 paragraphs and cited glitches as the major problem for the 360. Dont worry about hardware or supported titles, glitches are the new measure of a game.
so he thinks..new games won't get perfect scores unless they have amazing graphics? lame lame
i wasted 30 seconds of my life reading that milk carton of an article at least he could have tried for a whole page
i know why you go around with that name because lately all one can see is PS3 games mentioned in this site. q:
Theres still halo wars. Then Halo: ODST. Then Halo 4. Then Gears Of war 3, then Gears of War Wars.
At least those are console games. You know what's really milking? Mobile games and ipod touch games. What series does that? Oh right the Metal Gear series. There are like 20 installments compared to Halos 5 installments.
sorry but how many mgs have been released for ps3, no matter in the end GeOWW will sell very good with its amazing 6th gen graphics.
just because some games are coming out doesn't really mean the system isn't maxed out considering there have been numerous developers that have stated that fact. the problem with the xbox is that since its release its capabilities were fully accessible from the start of for developers to use which is the downside of having a pc architecture that isn't upgradable . you can only fill a glass of milk so high before it spills . now it only has a smoke and mirrors effect that blinds certain people from the Truth
wow another antixbox article, I wasted my time reading this sh!t.
What guns, the biggest gun they have been able to play so far is ff13 getting ported to 360. lol though to think about it they were big.
im kinda happy that it went multiplatform especially with square enix's reputation this generation....i rather have the game flop on both systems rather then on one.
its can't really eat more than it can chew in a metaphoric sense, hence why a lot of games from what I hear are very technically flawed. Even if they are enjoyable to play those technicalities will always hinder the game experience coupled with a very limited amount of space to work with. Development ambitions are getting higher and higer that developers will for the most part will venture to new territories to achieve those amitions that they want to set out to do. Whatever anyone says, PC games will always have a market and the PS3 will keep picking up stride for the simple fact it has 20 plus gaming studio to back the system up and will always garner more people to pick up the system even if it had a loss of 3rd party support in its first couple years but we can all see its starting to come back in full swing with alot of high quality 3rd party games. sega seems to be doing it . just give it more time before others follow suite
Better, smarter, more efficient programming techniques will always come along as long as any system is supported. Please. This is just getting silly now. What I DO hope more people do, however, is get away from the Unreal 3 engine. Halo 3 is one example of a clean looking, solid title not running on this wet plastic engine.
instead halo ran on the dry plastic engine... im a 360 owner but seriously compared to other games, even those running on UE3 halo isn't very good looking some points in the campaign look fantastic but portions of multiplayer, especially the environments are just ugly
It wasn't ZOMG wow, but I felt visually it was clean, supported splitscreen well, and got the job done. I'm just really, really sick of the wet, overnormalmapped, overbloomed U3 engine games.
Agreed, I personally think Halo 3 was much better visually than Gears of War 2, maybe not technically better but it wasn't as blergh inducing(I know that's subbjective), Halo 3 looked natural. I also very much dislike the UE3, it's a decent engine but I don't like what Epic has done. They used hte money they got for developing the UE3 and instead made Gears of War and based the Engine around an inferior version of the Gears engine(or that's what Silicon Knights is saying), it makes it all the more apparent know that they have UE3.5 but only Gears 2 has used it, it's a kick in the nuts to the people who it was meant for.
If you really spin it, they do....
people say this site is anti PS3 Anyways I was expecting more from this article.