What We Shouldn't Tolerate: Rapelay

The Start Screen writes:

" The Start Screen questions about writing on this story. The Start Screen wondered if giving this, 'what The Start Screen supposes' is a game, any kind of attention would be worth the debate that could come out of it. Folks, this is pretty bad [so we've heard], but just reading about the content: 'a virtual rape simulator' got me to thinking about what is and is not appropriate. In the age of the ESRB and 'Adults Only' game ratings, is something like RapeLay completely within its rights to be sold as an adult title? "

[Gue1]

Downloading right now!

Sorry, but the curiosity is killing me! I have never played an erotic game before and this game have been getting so much attention lately that I need to know what is this all about.

I feel so dirty! But it's just a game... >_0

[Shadow Man]

Get the english uncensored version.

[LeGenDx]

i always wanted to be a rapist when i grow up (just kidden)

[Homicide]

PM me the link shadow.

[hetz15]

pm me the link ;) i wanna try it

[rob6021]

It's funny to me that making a game about rape is completely absurd and wrong, but games where you murder are actually fairly common and something we can tolerate. Why do we have double standards? I'm not saying this game is good in any way, I'm just making a point.

[Pebz]

It's quite simple I believe, there is a lot of money and power invested in murder (read: wars), while rape... not so much. Even sex, or just nudity, is generally considered worse than murder as far as movie/game ratings are concerned.

I knew a kid once who judged the quality of movies based on how many people were killed in it. The more, the better. As much as everyone dislikes the word "desensitize", especially in gaming context, it is not a completely fictional thing.

“Kill a man, and you are a murderer. Kill millions of men, and you are a conqueror. Kill everyone, and you are a god.”

[Dpa]

Because this is intended as an erotic game. An erotic game about murdering women would be just as bad.

[xabmol]

Does playing this game hurt anyone?

Why are rape scenes allowed in movies? Aren't there plenty of porns with this as the main theme? Why's this being in a game all of a sudden bad?

[hippo24]

While a agree that "rape" is a far less substantial sin then say murder.
I dont agree that this game should be defended.

In 95% of the games with killing present, it is because those at the end of your gun are evil, bad or want to kill you. So in these scenarios its social and morally acceptable to kill. So unless your killing cops, or pedestrians on the streets of GTA then your not necessarily doing anything Evil. This is because no matter how many zombies you kill with a hammer, you still are riding the world of evil monsters and that IS a not necessarily a bad message.

Alternatively rape is an act that is never good never wholesome, and is never acceptable. To defile the social laws of interaction is to undermine the very relationship that it means to be human.
No matter what situation rape is thrust into, it is never acceptable. So creating a game that promotes, and familiarizes with it is bad no matter which way you cut it.

[xabmol]

I think this game has to be defended. The only reason it's being attacked is because it's a game. If it was a documentary about a serial rapist, a blockbuster summer flick, or just another rape porn no one would care.

Games need to be defended until the world sees them in the same light as books and movies.

[CrimsonFox13]

If it's accepted in books/films, it should be accepted in video games.

[Bnet343]

I can't believe people in the open zone actually play this ... I bet they enjoy hentai too and tentacle porn maybe?

[Timesplitter14]

Because that's how people really are. If you spent years, like I did, on 4chan (a board where everyone is anonymous), you'd realize that the world isn't as clean and beautiful as it looks like.

The truth is that more than half of the population are perverts, racists, sexists, etc... It's the ugly truth.

[rroded]

maybe not one id buy but if an adult wants too wth imho its better for em to have an outlet... I mean facts are one in every 3 girls will get abused if this saves one...

Still this last bit made me laugh

"On the other hand, I would love to be a fly on the wall in Jack Thompson's office when someone anonymously mails him a copy of RapeLay. I have a feeling after about ten minutes he would either be having a coronary or he'd be masturbating furiously. Nah, he'd be doing both. And choking himself with his belt."

[Marceles]

Bad thing is critics give games a harder time than movies since it's interactive and in a way the player is controlling the game to do the act, whereas in movies they're only just watching.

Another bad thing is I can see the GTA effect happening to this game as well, where there's an attempted rape somewhere and the guy finds an excuse to blame it on the game, so the guy will be left off the hook while the developers get sued. It's gold for Thompson if that ever happened

[thats_just_prime]

Hippo what about Mahunt was sold with only a M rating and its a about being a virtual serial killer. How is that more acceptable the being a vitruaal rapist ? Not only is Manhunt sold as an M rated game we all know that any lil 10 year old kid (or what ever age) can easily walk into gamestop, walmart or where ever and pick up a copy of that game

[iamtehpwn]

we should play the hell out of it <3 :]

[xabmol]

And whats wrong with that?

[iamtehpwn]

Doesn't mean it's going to make me kill people

........

[Timesplitter14]

I wonder what kind of close-minded and stubborn person disagreed with that last comment of yours.

[stephen2005]

You have to be kidding me. Someone is defending this game?!?!?

Look, I will be the first one to say that games shouldn't get put in a different category as say a movie or book. They are all the same. Games are just as good an entertainment form as them. And if you say a game like Killzone will make you want to kill people, then you have to say the same for a movie.

But, defending this game is insane. I think the problem is that you guys just don't understand what a terrible thing rape is. It isn't something that just "goes away". It lives with and haunts that person forever. I know this because someone pretty close to me had it happen to her....she tells me the nightmares.

A documentary about a rapist is another story. It is just telling you the info and giving you facts. This game has you interacting with it and your main goal is to "Rape a mother and her two children". How could you possibly defend that? And a rape porn? I'm pretty sure porn in general gets quite a bit of crap from people...it gets debated all the time. Believe me, if a movie or t.v. show came out tomorrow that had a character going around just raping girls like it was some goal and he "won" by doing it....it would get debated. There would be controversy all over Fox News and any of that. Truth is, there aren't any mainstream movies like this game. This game is only being pointed out because it's a game news website...but anything that has rape in a sense like this is terrible.

The guy who made this game and the people that published it are sick, disgusting individuals. And anyone who goes to them and actually DEFENDS them are just as bad. I'm sorry, I'm all for "To each their own", but this is different. I am right and you are wrong. This game does not deserve to get defended in any way.

Now time to disect some of your quotes mr. xabmol and any other individual who thinks it's right to defend this game:

-"Does playing this game hurt anyone?"

Yes, it would. If I let her know about this game and let her play it for just a few minutes....I don't think it would give her happy thoughts.

-"we should play the hell out of it"
Anyone who plays this game is just as sick as the guy who made it.

-"I bet they enjoy hentai too" And whats wrong with that?"

Maybe you could go out in the world and get a girlfriend thats actually, you know, alive.

This game is terrible. Stop defending it....

EDIT:
To the person that disagreed with me. Reply. State your facts as to why you think I'm wrong. Too busy playing the game? Come on, defend it.

[Bnet343]

You don't have to lecture me with 4chan, but of course you can defend the game here on the internet. Now go out in the streets with your friends and peers and family and defend it. You wouldn't right? Exactly. Look man, I do not care if this game gets banned or w/e, I will never be playing it anyway.

[Endorphin]

This game is a GAME where you can do horrible things to innocent people, hmmm... where have we done that before? All of a sudden you guys care, bunch of faking hypocrites, I can guarantee you that 95% of us in here own or played a GTA game(I've own all of them and I love them) and now you want to tell me that you care about this rape game. Seriously, its the same crap we've done in GTA. We killed innocent pieces of technology and I didn't feel a thing (it was kind of fun actually but I knew better of course) NOW you want to tell me that this is wrong because it is a rape simulator I'm sorry Grand Theft Auto is a Mass Murder simulator (and more :D) you can't come and try to bash this when you go and praise GTA. And oh BY THE WAY last time I checked killing somebody is way worse then getting raped.
Oh BTW No I wouldn't ever buy this as a > game < because it looks like it sucks, its idiotic,and its freaking boring again as a GAME.

[dragunrising]

How can you justify this game? The difference between video games and other forms of media is that YOU have the choice to change the outcome. It is sick enough that there are books and movies that cater to rape enthusiasts.

I have a friend who was raped. What would you say to her about this game?

[stephen2005]

@Endorphin:

The only GTA game I played was GTA IV because everybody was all "OMG 10/10" with it. I did find some sort of suggestive stuff in there, but definitely no fun. The game was so boring for me. I'm can't play the game for more than 5 minutes before falling over asleep.

BUT at least GTA doesn't give you the choice to rape a mother and her two CHILDREN. That is unacceptable.

@blindfromthesun:

Thank GOD. Not everybody in the world is retarded.

And I'm sorry about your friend. I also have someone close that was a rape victim. That is why I think me and you are the only ones that are still sane on this forum. We know how terrible rape is...most people here think it's just fine....

[Endorphin]

Look buddy you have understand that these are still games, OK, pieces of technology, nothing more. We as responsible adults also must understand the subject matter that we are exposed to in these games, and NO Grand Theft Auto doesn't give me the option to rape but it does give me the options to chainsaw someone to death, and of course those two things are of course horrible things, I just want to understand why chainsawing some innocent person in a video gaming is acceptable but raping isn't. I don't get it... and plz don't forget that I think that this is a horrible idea for game. You see the thing that ticks me off is the fact that this game got taken down because of its subject matter and when our best selling games today are games that I HAVE to kill people. DEATH is a serious subject matter even MORE serious then RAPING, you have to understand that.

[thats_just_prime]

Stephen you say rape is unappectable but killing people is acceptable ? How about sellin drugs thats accepted too and so is putting a gun to someone and robbing them. You say that rape is different cause it stays with a person but so does everything else. Have you even seen what drugs can do to a person life what it can make them do to their self and other ? There are people that get rob by gun point that afterward they are scared they never leave their homes again. Yet games like GTA and Saints Row that feature these kind of thing gamers defend the hell out of them.

I dont really think you are wrong per say I just dont understand the line that you are drawing for what is acceptable in a game and what is not.

[velaxun]

ok, I'm gonna get flamed to hell for this but has anyone PLAYED the game? I downloaded it when it was released on Hongfire YEARS ago and it is nothing like what they're saying. It's not a "rape simulator". You don't walk around stalking these women. It has a story line based on these women trying to get away from this man. The only interaction is in the sex scenes, everything else is just like a visual novel. it plays exactly the same as Sexy Beach it just has a darker tone. This is like people saying GTA is a murder simulator. Research people

EDIT: I agree with Endorphin on this one. It was indeed a sh!tty game, it's boring and like I said you don't partake in any rape, it's basically a story mod to Sexy Beach in that it plays exactly the same. You don't stalk anyone, you don't attack them in the bushes and beat them up, you READ the story and play the sh!tty sex mini games.

And one more point I feel I need to make, there's no child in the game... she's petite, it even states that all characters in the game are over 18. As for the bit about scratching an itch down below:

Haven't you looked at the stats surrounding GTA? since it's release violent crimes against people have dropped dramatically, so it proves that if you need some kind of release medium, games like GTA or, dare I say it? Rapelay can actually help. My mother used to play GTA if me or my brother really pissed her off and it helped calm her down, so yes games actually can "scratch" itchy brains.

[Le Idiotce]

You know. One of these days, you will get married too. And one of these days, you will have daughters too. One of these days, your aunt, your mom, your sister will be alone too.

You dont want to live in a world where any of these women would be in a room with the same kind of sickos that created this game above or any of the other sickos who enjoy playing this game and are defending this game.

Well guess what. By playing and defending this game, you are promoting that kind of world.

Karma does exist. Guess what those sickos will do to your mom if they met her in a supermarket?

There may be a lot of racists, sickos, sexists, and more of that filth in this world. But that doesnt mean you should act the same way.

Not surprisingly, by just looking at the responses above, everyone who hates this game, are people who know someone who was raped. And the other half who tries to defend the game, are stupid hormone filled teens who dont have a clue what they are talking about.

[wanderofys]

"I have a friend who was raped. What would you say to her about this game?"

Nothing obviously. I wouldn't tell my Christian mother I kill police officers and bang prostitutes in GTA, why would you talk about this to a rape victim?

Different strokes for different folks. The game is obviously not aimed at rape victims, and YOU'RE the jerk if you think it's a good idea to tell rape victims about it.

[andron]

That shouldn't have been made in my opinion. Have you read the "review" at somethingawful?

Most game contain stories or are made to entertain. Even if you are "killing" someone it's part of a fictional setting.

This game is aimed solely at perverts and mentally disturbed people. The chance that someone goes out and imitates this kind of game is so much higher than someone playing any other type game or watching movies.

I know most people who play this do it just for bragging rights or because they are curious. But what about that pervert who plays this and one day decides to go out and "satisfy" himself in real life? Would you defend this game then?

I'm not saying this "game" should be banned, but it does a disservice to the gaming community if we defend this "game" without questioning it at all...

[JsonHenry]

It did say this is a game, right? Then there should be no more debate. It is NOT real.

Either buy it or don't! It is that simple.

[AAACE5]

If old Jack Thompson was still able to practice law, he would be all over this game!

He would have a hell of a backing from mothers, fathers, past rape victims, etc. They would protest and say, "Videogames are now trying to teach our kids to be rapist!"

It would be hell to deal with, and after they attacked this game, they would move to all the other M rated games.

You know what's strange though... If they legalized prostitution, there would be a dramatic drop in rape cases! I mean, you would probably have people out there lying (saying they got raped) just to get national attention.

Well, doesn't matter to me... It's just a game! And more than likely, a game I will never play.

[theKiller]

they Goal is to make us make more crimes and forget that god exists and do more dirty things, and they succeeded in that more or less, u can always see magazines that have naked women or women promoting sex etc while u will not find or hardly find a magazine to prove to u that God exist and we should worship him alone and stop all sins!

all media in the west is in the hands of zionist, so thats y i didnt watch TV for 2 years now, nor radio, all my info is from the internet and i am more than up-to-date than anyone who is taking the news from a controlled TV stations!

watch this video in youtube and u will know what am talking about, they r putting devilish and porn in children cartoons too!

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

[rockleex]

Rape is okay in porn, but not in games.

As we all know well by now, playing a game doesn't make you act out the same actions in real life.

I get disgusted when I come across rape porn, same as rape games or anything else related to rape.

But tell me why the porn industry can get away with rape, but not the video game industry? Certainly there are double standards.

Fricken hypocrites.

[tuneraider]

is other people telling us what we should or shouldn't tolerate. Far be it for me to defend a "rape simulator" (which apparently it's not), but if this game gets banned, it's a slippery slope before games with any "objectionable material" start getting banned. As Voltaire is oft misquoted as saying, "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it."

[TheDude2dot0]

You guys are pathetic. Why are you attacking this game? I realized after that Extremist Murder game and this game that most of the people on this website is full of prissy pre-teens. You should learn about a thing called free speech. How would you feel if you're terrible rap or hip hop music were banned for talking about sex all the time?

This game is the same as GTA, just a different theme. You can't be for a game (GTA) while against another that is the same concept (Rapelay).

And no, I'm not going to buy this game, but it is pathetic that people have no lives so they complain about a frickin videogame.

[Sarcasm]

I think the idiots who keep defending this game and thinking "Oh rape isn't as bad as killing" seriously do not understand how bad rape is.

How about picture you're own mother, or sister, or wife, or daughter, or any women that is close to you, get raped by a dirty 45 year old homeless guy?

Not a pretty picture? Well imagine being the girl who has to live with that the rest of their life.

Now please grow up, and stop defending this stupid game.

[ChampIDC]

1.29 pretty much said everything I was thinking. If you don't like it, don't buy it, don't play it, hell, just bloody ignore it. People can create whatever they want. It's just a game, and it's not directly hurting anyone. There's much worse things out there in this world.

I can't say I agree with the theme of the game, but hey, I'm neither buying it nor playing it, so I really don't care. They can make whatever game they want.

[RememberThe357]

To the people defending it: Please, please, take a long look at why you are. I know that many of you feel the need to defend videogames to the end, but there are some lines that you don't cross.

You guy keep saying the rape is acceptable in other mediums. I can't give you one main stream movie that glorifies rape, not one. If rape is shown in movies it is generally shown being committed by an evil person. I remember one French film a few years back that got slammed for having a rape seine.

There is a reason rapist and child molesters get murdered every day in the US prison system. Women and children are off limits. You cannot call yourself a man and defend anything promoting rape.

The thing that gets me is that I know most of you guys are not defending rape parse, but the game itself and your "right" to play it. I see what you guys are saying, but anything the glorifies rape cannot be accepted by us as a community. Like hippo said above, when we play games that make us kill other characters those characters are also trying to kill us. There is a justification in American culture(I can only speak form this point of view) that when someone is attacking you, you attack back. That is why we love shooters and action titles. But when it comes to rape, you can't justify it(at all) the same way. You cannot say the you were defending yourself, you cannot say that what you did was in the best interest of anyone but yourself.

Think about this: What if you found out that your mother was raped? Would you sit there and say, "well to each his own"? Would you shrug it off, because "it's not as bad as murder"? Or would you be a man, find the bastard, and put him down?

@Below: You fail to realize that they're not. But this story is about this game, not rape in all forms of media.

[TheDude2dot0]

I think you idiots fail to realize that you are attacking this game, while there are 20 rape pornos made daily. How many movies have extreme rape scenes in them?

I fail to see why you think those movies are okay, but you can't tolerate a videogame that has rape in it.

[LastDance]

If you dont have a vagina, you shouldnt be able to Scale how bad rape is.

[TheDude2dot0]

@Above

That's stupid. Little boys get raped too. Ever heard of that priest scandal? It's costing the church millions.

[KnowitAll]

“To the person that disagreed with me. Reply. State your facts as to why you think I'm wrong. Too busy playing the game? Come on, defend it.”
Ok here it goes

“It isn't something that just "goes away". It lives with and haunts that person forever.”
So does killing someone. I have an uncle who would wake up at night screaming because of a war that happened 40 years ago. Does that justify your views on killing? GTA 4, True Crime, Godfather, Manhunt, etc….

“Yes, it would. If I let her know about this game and let her play it for just a few minutes....I don't think it would give her happy thoughts.”
Why would you let a rape victim play this game? Do you find enjoyment doing this? This makes you twice as sick.

"Thank GOD. Not everybody in the world is retarded"
If your religious or believe in God why don’t you go against games that defile, insult, spread blasphemy or other religions or even portray God, such as black and white, spore and others. (Isn’t it a bigger crime?) or is that “But MR.. Knowitall!! Everyone is entitled to their own personal belief” Won’t it be the same with this game?

“We know how terrible rape is...most people here think it's just fine”
Tell me the games you enjoy. So I can find some morality fault to it.
YOU MONSTER!!!!

"The guy who made this game and the people that published it are sick, disgusting individuals. And anyone who goes to them and actually DEFENDS them are just as bad. I'm sorry, I'm all for "To each their own", but this is different. I am right and you are wrong. This game does not deserve to get defended in any way."

Stephen if you really wanted to do something against rape. Why don’t you help stop this? Join organizations, donate, pass fliers, help build shelters (Most women are raped because financially can’t get away or don’t have a home) Look at the sex slaves, molestation in orphanages, children forced into prostitution, Places like Thailand, Philippines and other poor areas. Why don’t you send money? Inform people by having public meetings. Post posters. Have fundraisers? Oh wait isn’t it to much of an inconvenience? You rather post in a website and feel all better inside?

Stephen does it make you feel better, not "sick", than everyone else because your opinions differ on a game?

Just playing Stephen, I’m messing with you. But my point is if people who want to play this let them.(Along with cooking mama, wii fit etc..) If this game seriously made someone rape how long would it have taken them to find another source to make them do it?
Its like when I made a comment towards emo’s who suicide. If my comments really made them suicide they already had a bigger problem, a disease I like to call “stupid” . Stupid is quite contagious and some people in N4G have it.

[xino]

To the defenders of this game who bang on about "why should we not allow this rape game, but we can allow killing and violence in other game (or rape in movies)".

These sort of words shows your moral stupidity!
This isn't an ordinary game, it's a stimulation game. Teaching you how to rape. What? Because it's made into a game, you think it's not serious?
You can also take driving test online as a game simulator. So if that can be taken seriously why shouldn't this simulator be taken seriously.

This game belongs in Japan, because Japanese love these kind of stuff.
If you really want to defend this game, then perform your first rape.
Some one in your family gets raped, and you are telling me, you'll still be playing this game.

Since these pack of idiots use the word "rape" in gaming world (during gaming or online), why should they take this seriously?

[Defectiv3_Detectiv3]

I hate to say it, but I think you just showed everyone your own stupidity. You like to take about games as simulators, which begs the question, what is a FPS, but a murder simulator?

Now if you want to talk morals, I would have to say killing someone might just beat out raping somebody on the morality scale. I mean, rape is horrible and shouldn't be tolerated, the mental effects being worse than the physical, but I mean, when you kill someone there dead, as in never coming back dead!

Now I don't believe that anyone is really trying to compare the 2 in this way, but you must admit there is a double standard here.

[cactuschef]

Dammit, if you gamer keep calling our beloved games "murder simulators" Jack Thomson will take advantage of it!

[cactuschef]

Dammit, if you gamers keep calling our beloved games "murder simulators" Jack Thomson will take advantage of it!

[CrimsonFox13]

What I don't understand is how killing innocent people in video games are allowed, but rape AND sex isn't, generally anyway. Blah. It's all messed up.

[Timesplitter14]

You've got one hell of a good point sir

[stephen2005]

I see what you are saying, but think about this:

In one of the most controversial games, Grand Theft Auto, is there a mission in there to go hunt down a mother and her two children and kill them? I don't think so. Most of the time you are just hunting down other bad guys and drug dealers. Killing innocent people is up to you, and come on, Grand Theft Auto got alot more controversy than pretty much any other game.

This "rapelay" game (even the name is disgusting) is ALOT worse than any Grand Theft Auto game IMO.

[lord_of_balrogs]

I don't condone rape in any way and I don't support Rapelay but I do think that it is important that it still continue to be sold. This game has an AO rating so it will not be stores such as Walmart and Gamestop as they don't carry AO games. It will not be in the eyes of minors, therefore it does not harm them. Furthermore, this game is fantasy rape and is a sexual fetish, as long as this game remains a fantasy it is not harming anyone. The game is not telling you to go out and rape someone, it just provides a release for certain people who have an itch to scrath. Moreover, this is a case of freedom of expression. The law states that we have responsibility to do no harm, anime rape is not harming anyone. If we ban a game that harms no one we undermine our own freedoms and pave the way for more drastic censorship to come into effect. That said I think this game is sick, but I will not judge anyone who plays it because it is their right and I will respect their rights as long as they follow the law.

[stephen2005]

"Furthermore, this game is fantasy rape and is a sexual fetish, as long as this game remains a fantasy it is not harming anyone. The game is not telling you to go out and rape someone, it just provides a release for certain people who have an itch to scrath."

-I'm pretty sure if a rape victim or even somebody that isn't a sick human being would feel harmed by this game. Heck, this was the first game that I read about that vividly made me sick to my stomach. The fact that somebody made a game of this is ridiculous.

Who cares if some sick people have an "itch to scratch". Playing this game won't just make it go away. What makes you say that this won't get them more "pumped up" to go and commit a rape to somebody in real life? When I'm hungry watching a McDonalds commercial doesn't just make my urge to eat go away....

And when you "Win" a game by raping a mother and her daughters...is the game not telling you that rape is good. That going out to rape someone is fine?

[UltimateIdiot911]

Only in the US, where killing is more acceptable than sex.

Personally, I don't agree with the concept of the game but I will not ban it. In WWII games, it's okay to kill the "enemy" but the truth is, a lot of the "enemy soldiers" fight for the same reason the US fought for. To defend their country. So, WWII games should not be acceptable or any war games related to history because you're never really killing anyone evil just someone with a different view/value. As for this game, rape is wrong but to take this off the market would mean that many of the shooters we play with some history/reward for killing others of different values and belief should be banned too. Consumers can choose not to purchase this, yes rape is wrong, but to ban it is to limit freedom of speech. Besides, if it's a game that turns off consumer it will naturally disappear.

[Endorphin]

Stephen you are too personally attached to this, you need to think about the people who've had their family members taken innocently by horrible people. I'm trying to defend all the fun GAMES that we all play everyday where we kill other people for fun.

[stephen2005]

"Only in the US, where killing is more acceptable than sex."

Rape isn't just sex. Sex is supposed to be between two people that love each other. Rape is a crime where one (in this case a child where you could see the "tears in her eyes") is a victim.

I'm all for freedom of speech, but some things just can't be sold at Wal-Marts and Toys R' Us. I hope we never see the day where games like "RapeLay" and "Go kill children because it's just a game and it's okay" are right next to "Hannah Montana"....

[stephen2005]

@Endorphin:

I admit that I am personally attached to this. But if thats what it takes to not defend someone who has made one disgusting game, than so be it.

You guys are missing the point. War games are simulating wars that actually happened. You are shooting other men that for the most part choose to serve their country. They are historical accounts basically of what has happened.

But what I'm keying on with this "Rapelay" game is that you are harming a "child". In any of the shooting games that you played, have you went up and killed an innocent child with tears in her eyes? How emotionally disturbing is that? How could you defend that?

And killing and raping is still the same type of thing. Killing someone may seem alot worse. But rape sticks with somebody for the rest of their lives....it's everlasting. For some people, it may be just as bad.

[UltimateIdiot911]

You're right but my point is only in US where killing is just more acceptable in general.

It won't see the daylight in stores like Wal-mart and I understand why that should be the case. But I don't think it should be banned from the market because it's another game and another voice.

In war, not everyone choose to go to war in some country but they have no choice. Not every German chose to go to war and kill but they had to because of their country and situation especially in fascist/communist country. Let me ask you, if a child was holding a gun to your face because the government has demanded and to a degree brainwash him to shoot the "enemy" and you are alone in a room with him, it's either you shoot him or he shoot you. No other way around it, what do you do? I know war games will not put such a situation but is it any different than shooting an adult in that same situation?

Killing someone do stick, it's call Post traumatic stress. Not everyone wants to kill but in times of war, there will be a good amount of people force to kill or be kill.

[wanderofys]

"Sex is supposed to be between two people that love each other."

Well that's certainly a matter of opinion. I'm glad you're not the guy who decides what gets banned.

[dexterwang]

Out of curiosity I tried the game and it sucks... more funny then erotic

Didn't find a problem with it... didn't make me want to rape people... didn't make me want to stalk and rape entire families... did make me laugh at japanese people.

Whats with all the talk of rape victims... traumatizing yes, but aren't murder victim's families also traumatized? Why make such a distinction that rape > murder in magnitude.

Also given the choice of either having my family raped or killed, I'd choose rape... though hopefully i won't have to make it at all.

[RememberThe357]

I don't know about the whole loving each other part of sex (I'd call that making love), but sex does have to be consensual. And yes, in the US we generally have a high tolerance for violence and a more private view of sex, generally. But the question here is, is a rape simulator OK? I'd have to stick with Stephen on this one and say NO.

[cactuschef]

Ill tolerate whatever I want The Start Screen.

[Nicolator]

i dont really mind the game but in the world of today after some few groups of ppl play a game like that... and are basically loser who cant generally get a woman and only play games all day and night ... thought will enter their head to try it out... b4 u know what a rape attempt ...trust me they are weak minded ppl like that so its best this game is canned..

[Timesplitter14]

So what if we ban it? Rapists will still be rapists, perverts will still be perverts and lonely basement dwellers will still be lonely basement dwellers.

All this game does is show how people really are. It's YOUR responsibility to determine if this game if good for you or not. If it gets banned, it will just reduce our liberty a little more and nothing else.

[TheLaughingMan]

all these people talking about how horrible this game is are only increasing its sales. It's on its way to my house right now.
As for the question ability of this game I still consider it a pretty horrible game but I play pretty horrible violent games and I like to play as much as I can.

Oh and if you want to get a good erotic game buy artificial girl 3 its only like 20 bucks on ebay and its suppose to be way better lol.

[Khan613]

My wife plays that one! :P

Not for the sex (and there's no violence), but because its got some interesting relationship bits in it. And she says the dialogue is hilarious (I dont understand enough Japanese to enjoy that aspect)

She has a virtual lesbian love interest. :D

[Lykon]

I need to play this game. It's only japanese children you rape anyway and thats part of thier culture, anyway i am gay, i just want to play it to see the boys arse cracks .

[NateDPG]

lololol

[o0o ROZZA o0o]

I cannot believe this game has been made. More to the point I cannot believe anyone would want to play this game. If you read the review it makes mention of a part where you rape a child and you can actually zoom in on her face the tears running down her face. Then if you get her pregnant you have to convince her to get it aborted. Im no prude but this is strong stuff by anyones standard. My faith in the human race has hit an all time low! Anyone that thinks this game is acceptable needs their heads checking!!!

[Timesplitter14]

Well this game DOES look bad but I can imagine why many people would want to play it. See my other comment (1.5)

[indyman7777]

except you are much kinder than I am. Tollerant? Not me. They are sellouts to willful wickedness. Like Sodom and Gommorah. Not that many people left. All conscience have been desensitized by lessor crimes. They gradually get worse until we come to this. I mean think of this. You like ice cream you by it. If you don't like somethinig yuke you don't by it. People pay to see horror movies, when they know the bad guy will win! Now days if your not wicked, or don't agree with wicked things, your called weak, hippi, whinner, not manly, kiddie, fruity. It's called Satans air by Jesus.

[velaxun]

sweet mary mother of jesus, you can't zoom in on her face to see the tears pouring down her face. The american media has blown this game out of proportion. See my post above please

[Dino]

this sh1t is creepy

[zoneofenders]

I played the game yesterday. Its not that bad. Its not like the game teaches you how to rape people without leaving evidence.I think CSI is much dangerous than this...
and from my understanding, there are 2 endings. You will die in both endings.Either being crashed by the subway or killed by the girl you raped. Karma!

How about GTA, SAINTS, POSTAL?

[velaxun]

listen to this man, he speaks the truth

[Scottama]

*SPOILARZZZZZ!!!!11ELEVEN*

[Ahmay]

thank u for spoiling it for me

[OOG]

I agree with you dude....

Yes all the people on here can try to justify it because there is a game called GTA... etc etc.... but GTA isnt like this game... GTA is a game about a gangster trying to make a life for himself....etc etc... basically like an interactive action movie....

anyway.... a game like this is promoting rape... whatever way you look at it... and even better then he goes after the kids??? Like really.. if anyone on here thinks that something like this should be tolerated in the world then you are morons... we havnt evolved this far into the world just to go ass backwards into a time where things like rape are acceptable to even be thinking of... it is one of the most disgusting things you could ever do to a person....like really?? Whats next a woman beater sim? Called the Rule of Thumb?

[dexterwang]

... It does not promote rape. BAD parenting, Peer influence, Alcohol and drugs promote rape...

A video game targeted for nerdy otakus promotes lifetime of single-life. A videogame does not have that much affect on the human psyche.

[SpoonyRedMage]

You could say this is like an interactive movie, have you ever heard of M? It's a great film, the main character(and protagonist) is a child murderer and is implied to be a child rapist.

Now I don't agree with the game but maybe banning is unfair, as the example used above WWII games, you're never the Nazi's because if we were they'd be shown as sympathetic and then it'd be wrong to kill them mercilessly.

I'm glad that there are consequences in game apparently, because it shouldn't be condoned. Also the people saying they're children might only apply in the Western world, because I haven't played the game but if they're over 13 they're legal in Japan(difference of culture), so whilst it is sick the creators may not be thinking of them as children.

[FantasyStar]

Geez, first Amazon: now this?!

I haven't even heard of this game until I saw it on N4G. Now the small-time media squads are on their way. Man, the things I'd give up to physically punch people in the face over the internet.

[dktxx2]

Freedom of speech is a double edged sword.

[xabmol]

but I would chose freedom over fascism any day.

[name]

Actually, people don't REALLY want freedom. If you did, then you'd support the freedom to TAKE away freedom. You know how people say "rule#1, there are no rules"? Yeah, that doesn't make any sense. If you want freedom, then facism is A-OK too. Sorry.

[Lombax]

I am not talking about Anarchy here, Dude. I'm talking about Freedom. You can't have freedom while taking away someone elses freedom, because then they are not free. Get it?

[indyman7777]

If you buy this game they will track the payment. And use it to identify you. When you system goes online. When you play it, it will without your permission rape your identity straight to law enforcement. haha just kidding ! But think about it anyway. You child molesters in training. Don't you think they knew a game like this would be banded by everyone quickly, if a violent game from take two gets banded in whole countries just for seeming like it will simulate bullies. They can't track who paid $9 cash at a theater to watch a rape scene but this they can tract, plus how long you played it, and which options, and strategies you took. Booo!

[Twister]

I'm totally getting this game, looks sweet. :)

[Nicolator]

truly need help

[Twister]

Come on don't be like that. ;)

[zoneofenders]

It is intolerable that anyone would purchase a game that simulates the criminal offense of rape.
But it is OK that someone would purchase a game that simulates the criminal offense of killing innocent people on the street or selling drugs.
Good moral criterion i say.

[Defectiv3_Detectiv3]

oh god, get a real arguement already! It is so easy to look at it in a close minded way like that, but fact of the matter is there are several shades of grey your dealing with.

Now I would hardly put killing someone in COD and RAPING in a game on the same level.

What are you people going to come up w/ next? Are you going to start defending people's rights to view kiddie porn!

These mature games you speak do have ratings on them, however, a game such as this should not be tolerated, no matter what age group its targeted at. It just goes against common decency. I feel the same way about drug dealing in games as well.

As far as violence goes, that really just depends on how graphic it is. Lets be honest now, there are certain ways of depicting violence that are less explicit than others.

[xabmol]

Animated? Yes, It harms no one.

Real? NO! Put them fu*kers in jail.

All my thinking is done in Basic Logic 1.0

[zoneofenders]

Though it would not be kiddie porn anymore.
And i am not talking about COD. Its a warzone. As long as you dont shoot civilian, i think its fine. I am talking about the beloved GTA, sanits and Postal.

[ShiftyLookingCow]

These games are like the adult version of the PSN title PAIN. It sounds both disgusting and hilarious.

[Defectiv3_Detectiv3]

Wow, I have never heard such immature arguements from people trying to defend this game!

I used Hitler's Mein Kampf as an example of media that should not be tolerated, and people started defending it! Mien Kampf for christ sakes, the modern day bible for skinheads!

Movies don't glorify raping people, this game does! Big difference. I have yet to see a movie depicting rape as if it was the thing to do. And if there had been one, you can sure as hell bet it would have been banned in the states!

Talk of freedom of speech all you want, but what you people so easily forget is there are still conditions on freedom of speech, those being:

You can not hinder anyone elses freedom of speech
You can not harm anyone with your freedom of speech

This is the reality we live in. You can use a narrow minded view and recite the constitution all you want, but in the real world people know better!

Defending games is one thing. We see politicians take cheap shots at them all the time. But this game just goes beyond what a game should be allowed to depict.

[xabmol]

"You can not hinder anyone elses freedom of speech"

By not letting anyone buy this game, that is what they are doing.

"You can not harm anyone with your freedom of speech"

"GAME" It's a GAME! How is it harming anyone?

"You can use a narrow minded view and recite the constitution all you want, but in the real world people know better" ...than to actually rape a living person.

Why don't you join the FCC? Then you can help 'em protect us from ourselves.

[Timesplitter14]

First, freedom of speech is freedom of speech. There are no conditions, only responsibilities that vary between different people.

Second, don't you think it's revoltingly hypocrit to say than killing 1000 muslims in Call of Duty 4 (or 1000 civilians in GTA, if you were about to bring up the soldier vs soldier argument) is allright but a game about rape is totally unacceptable?

Third, it won't change anything, it will just reveal the true nature of those who play it.

[zoneofenders]

Its not like this game teaches you how to rape people without leaving evidence.I think CSI is much more dangerous than this...
and from my understanding, there are 2 endings. You will die in both endings.Either being crashed by the subway or killed by the girl you raped. Karma!

If you want to bash this game, then you'd better bash GTA too.
At least try to show some consistency of your moral criterion.

[Defectiv3_Detectiv3]

Actually, there ARE conditions on freedom of speech, and anyone who has take social science classes in high school should know this. They are punishable by law.

And advocating rape is not harming anyone!? oh please! On those grounds alone your arguement loses any credability!

And when you kill someone in COD, its not like you're murdering some random person in cold blood. You're totally taking COD out of its historical context. I also think you can make a strong arguement that they aren't glorifying killing, and if they are, its not killing innocent people.

And talk about GTA all you want, I think that game is Fing stupid and if they actually enforced the age restrictions on games it wouldn't be an issue.

As long as we are abiding by freedom of speech then I thought of a concept for a game that you guys would probably like, its called, "Kill them Naggers!" This game would have players lynch black people, I really think this could be a good excersize of freedom of speech, in your universe anyways.

It's easy to defend this game when you aren't the ones being targeted in it. From a female perspective this game must seem like a nightmare. It is amazing how many women get raped. It's probably like 1 out of every 5. They just don't come foward, but I've had plent of close female friends confess this to me. Girls I've know for years, that I never would have thought had been harmed in this way.

Rape is becoming an epidemic in society! Do you really think games that give the impression that rape is normal are going to decrease it! Cmon now, use some common sense.

[Immortal Kaim]

Some of the comments in here are despicable... Freedom of Speech my ar*e, just another way for the sick and perverted to get their pleasure.

[name]

A "Kill them Naggers" game would only be fair, since there have been several movies glorifying that already. Birth of a Nation anyone? One of the most respected movies of all time.

[indyman7777]

The next time I hear someone talk about video game players as being a bunch of depraved people, this thread will make me NOT DEFEND THEM.

[poeo]

yeah some of these comments actually make me sad. and f*cking angry.

[poeo]

anyone with a tiny bit of intellectual honesty HAS to admit a game based on rape is disturbing, and wrong on so many levels.

if you're defending the game saying that if movies can have rape scenes, so should games... well, the difference is that games are INTERACTIVE, and i assume in Rapelay YOU take the role of the rapist. no rapes will happen in the experience unless YOU decide to do it, actively raping virtual women and little girls. (it is said that child rape is possible in this game too). that is the _crucial_ difference, and it might not be a big deal to you as a gamer, but it IS a big deal to the general public. and can you blame them? i cant, i think they're right. rape should not be made into interactive entertainment. i cant imagine a world where the majority of people would think otherwise.

also, justifying rape in games with the fact that games have killing too is a bit naive. you MUST know that these two serious crimes stir very different types of emotions in people... there are psychological aspects to be considered. rape has historically been a means to humiliate women in the worst possible way, for most people in any society it is the most reprehensible act a man can do to a woman. there is a very good reason why it's taboo. just THINK ABOUT IT for a second, not from your own perspective, but let's say if you had a daughter, think about it from her perspective. dont try to tell me you wouldnt mind your daughter's boyfriend playing rape games 24/7... you would much rather have him playing GTA and killing virtual cops. because that's just boys being boys, violence is fascinating, and society has learnt to accept that. rape on the other hand hasnt become accepted as entertainment, and i hope it wont.

[Substance]

..you are raping digital cartoonish women and girls.
There's a difference between digital women and real women.

In my eyes, pornography with real people acting out the rape is worse than this game. But if it is acceptable in porn, then it should be no different in videogames. The law has to be consistent. If you're going to outlaw this game, then outlaw the rape porn also.

[Immortal Kaim]

Difference... you are controlling these actions...

I don't care what anyone says, why would you seriously want to play something like this?

[zoneofenders]

Seems you can enjoy watching Rape porn, watching women got raped for your own fantasy. but if its in a game? hell no! this IS UNACCEPATBLE!

[GreenHeartNext]

I agree. People are hypocrites. More harm was inflicted on the porn actresses in the making of a rape porn videos than this game. In fact, no one was harmed in the making of this game at all.

[Ashriel]

Yeah, but still, making virtual rape a form of entertainment is still morally questionable. It's true that violence is also wrong and we should blame violent games if we are blaming rape games (lol) but I think there's a difference, since most of violent games portraits combat, rather than abuse. Excepting games like GTA, or Manhunt, but you can't say that they were completely accepted, since all the controversy they have caused, besides, in GTA style games, the purpose of the game is not based on killing innocent civilians, but you have the freedom to do so (and a lot of funny stupid things), it's not like you're forced to (And if you don't kill the guys in Manhunt 2, you get killed). Rapelay, in the other hand, focuses completely on rape and stalk women, it's all about that. I'm not trying to sound like a moralist or something, I know there's a big difference between the western culture and the japanese culture, since sex is not as much as a taboo like it is here and violence is less tolerated in games. But I still think that rape carries a much more complex and painful psychological issue and should be treated more carefully (like someone here said, it's the worst thing a man can do to a woman)than violence. I know it's just a game, but I still think it objectifies women a lot (just like many other games), btw, I like that in the endings the rapist dies xD. Oh, and I don't enjoy rape porn, just in case you want to call me a hypocrite.

[GreenHeartNext]

If you do a quick Google search for this game, you will find some very long threads and discussions of people playing this game and enjoying it. And these threads are in English language forums. So if you have some urge to want to play this game, you're not alone. Pretty good game BTW.

[LiquifiedArt]

Just another example of how far the world is away from God. And the funny thing it, i'm sure it'll turn alot of people on. Because sin is enjoyable. Otherwise it wouldnt be as 'tempting'.

peace.

[lord_of_balrogs]

Shut up with the moralist Christian attitude. Your God's bible advocates murder, slavery, rape, the genocide of humanity through a flood etc etc. And acts in God's name has killed millions of people. Religion has caused far more suffering than it prevents.

[devilhunterx]

People killing in the name religion is not the same as GOD commanding people to kill. Right?

[NMC2007]

Brain Power Meter:

Japan ============================== ======
America ==

Hey Billy! Stop looking at those women and go kill your mother!! NOW!

[Ashriel]

This just shows that both cultures are different, if you really think Rapelay makes Japan superior.... I would lol xD

EDIT: Oh, so you disagree that japanese and western cultures are different? wow

[DJ]

We've got movies that show people having their limbs hacked off with chainsaws, blown up, torn to pieces, raped, etc, etc...but you can't do it in games? I'm still wondering why sex is more prohibited than killing in terms of American rating systems, but that's another argument.

The rape game obviously is in bad taste, but it's obviously within the developer's rights to release it under the Adult Only rating. Just expect a disturbed look from the store clerk when you buy it.

[Adversary]

Rape is NEVER presented in movies as a good thing, and movies are not interactive. They don't allow the audience to instigate or even participate in whatever atrocity is presented. Whether you agree or not, this is the difference, and this is why there are people out there who think video games are the devil. This "game" is not a good thing for gamers. This is like the digital equivalent of burning the American flag (ie: using your freedom of expression to defame the symbol of that freedom).

[Danieru sho]

Does th game teach u how to rape women, or are u as the player already ardoned with th skill.
[email protected]

[Adversary]

Are you f***ing kidding?

[shawnsl65]

i heard from bit torrent that a 11 year old girl gets raped in this game. Think i'll have to.. stay away from this. Say no to pedophile peeps. There's a clear line drawn between gamers and freaks; which one are you?

[Graphics Whore]

Worst things exist than some pseudo half-baked rape simulator.

If you get really upset over this maybe you should turn on the news once in awhile.

[Graphics Whore]

Killing and murdering in disturbing genocide numbers is immaculate however rape is taboo? You have to be fu*king joking.

[JasonX43]

they've brought us so close to proving Jack Thompson right!

[Leio]

Well if there are a Jack thompson rape game i´d buy one first day but other than that this kind of game is disturbed. Just imagine your kids playing this :/

[Adversary]

I personally find the premise of this game to be truly distasteful in the worst way, and I think the people who made it are sorry human beings, BUT...

Earlier today I played a game where I broke a full liquor bottle over a man's head and tazed him 'til he caught fire. I remember getting to a certain point in Fallout 3 and being annoyed that I couldn't should a little kid. In the Chronicles of Riddick game, I stabbed a man in the neck with a screw driver, and then meticulously (and over the course of several minutes), positioned his corpse in such a way that his head was in a toilet... I then flushed the toilet.

In real life, I've never committed a violent crime, and I've never played a game that made me want to. So as disgusting as I feel this "game" is, I can't take a hard stance against it because I believe that would make me a hypocrite. My only concern about this game is the kind of person who plays it. I am just as afraid of the person who plays RapeLay as more than just a novelty, as the person who plays Condemned because they want to be close to what it feels like to kill a homeless person.

[FantasyStar]

Man, the GamerZone turned into a ****storm.

[The_Kills]

"your basically selling a game that allows people to commit a something so sick and criminalistic".

ROFL @ those type of comments. So what GTA4 allows you to do is not that bad?

Give me a break. While I dont ever want to play a game like this because I guess I was never into this type of thing nor would I have the capacity to be. I am just tired of the comments talking about "oh this game is wrong, this game is sick, how can amazon sell it".

If you have a problem that serious, take it up with the developers or publishers for the love of Mike. STOP posting about how wrong this is, I doubt the people who want the game care what you think because it is derived from a hypocritical standpoint.

You basically say rape is bad(which it is), and games like this shouldnt exist(but no one cares what you think because people can do w/e they want), but running people over, shooting mini nukes, stabbing people to death, setting them on fire, beating them to a pulp, slicing them apart, and all those things are justifiable in games? Oh please, you people just arent used to the whole spectrum of things and is why society's are so different and laughed upon by each side.

[Ashriel]

" I love how some people say..
"your basically selling a game that allows people to commit a something so sick and criminalistic".

ROFL @ those type of comments. So what GTA4 allows you to do is not that bad?
"

Key word: "ALLOWS", GTA is not just about commiting crimes (and you are not really motivated by the game to do so, it's true that you cat get dead people's money, but you earn much more completing missions), but to do random stuff, and complete missions (in wich there are no children present), while Rapelay is just about stalking and raping a bunch of girls.

I'm just trying to say that Rapelay is disgusting without being pointed and called a hypocrite, I really don't care if the game is being sold on Amazon, I'm just giving my opinion in the right place and I don't have any serious problem with the game, but I do have a problem with all those people saying "LOLZ, BUT U ALL PLAY THOSE VAIOLENT GAMEZZZZ, HYPOCRITES, JAPAN IZ SUPERIORZ"

"You basically say rape is bad(which it is), and games like this shouldnt exist(but no one cares what you think because people can do w/e they want), but running people over, shooting mini nukes, stabbing people to death, setting them on fire, beating them to a pulp, slicing them apart, and all those things are justifiable in games? Oh please, you people just arent used to the whole spectrum of things and is why society's are so different and laughed upon by each side."

I say it's disgusting that a game like this has been made, but it's already done, and many years ago, so there's nothing to do about it, it's not like I don't want it to exist and be sold. And of course I know nobody here cares about what I think xD.

I know "running people over, shooting mini nukes, stabbing people to death, setting them on fire, beating them to a pulp, slicing them apart" is also bad, but most of the times, those actions are made to an opponent or enemy and when not, well I already talked about GTA, so read above, besides I never really seen a game in wich the victims of all these actions cried, begged you to stop and I've never seen any girls on that kind of games, you see?

and I agree with that last part "are so different and laughed upon by each side." I'm just a guy from one of those sides saying what he thinks ;3

[BabyDuck666]

Anyone that defends this game is just sending 50 years back the respect that gaming needs.

To teach people that GTA is a mature game designed for mature people is one thing; RapeLay, on the other hand, is a mature game designed for immature sick in the head people: see the difference?

[SpoonyRedMage]

I do agree with what you're saying, the game is horrible and is not a very good example of gamers and stuff but GTA is aimed at teenage boys or younger, it's made for immature kids who still think it's cool to pretend you're "gangsta".

[LeShin]

Oh hell no! This is seriously out of order! I can just see it now: "Young criminal blames his serial rapist tendencies on video game, gets a reduced sentence!"

Someone has to draw the line somewhere! I can't believe people would WANT to play a rape simulator? I mean wtf guys, get a fuc***g girlfiend. I read the review on somethingawful.com

"Young girls crying for you to stop"
"Bloody d*cks"
"Making the rape victims have abortions"

Gee, that sounds like fun! Give me a bloody break!

Violence is one thing, sex is another but sexual violence??? Nah, man. I can't believe I'm gonna say this, but if that retard Jack Thompson goes after these guys, I'm right behind him!!

I can't believe someone in this forum threw out the America Freedom of Speech rhetoric as a defence for this game! Violence in games have usually tied into the topic of "Good Vs Evil" i.e. these aliens/soldiers are the bad guys so nobodys gonna mss them when they meet my shotty :). The GTA series changed all that hence the uproar. But, even then some people could argue that the end justifies the means in those games.

Someone please tell me the why raping someone in a game is going to be fun or justified?

As the review says, there isn't any story at all, you just continually rape three characters, take pictures of what you've done and make them have abortions and then rinse and repeat.

If the guys defending this game think it really is all right, try explaining the concept of it to your female friends/girlfriends and see what happens. You better keep that game after that because the only female action you're gonna get is gonna be virtual!

[TheMART]

To all that say this is just a 'game' and why shooting is allowed, sorry dudes. There is a BIG difference

First:

Shooters are about competition, two party's both adults fighting each other. Compare the review from for example COD4 with a part from the review from this game:

""Finally, there is wee Manaka Kiryuu. She looks about ten and you get to rape her in her gigantic bed while teddy bears look on. This was certainly the most disconcerting of the rapes in the game. Not only does she look like a child, not only does her room looks like a child's room, but Manaka visibly cries. If you zoom in on her face you can see tears welling and vibrating in her gigantic eye sockets."

Sorry, but thats just sick. There isn't a competition part in the game, its just to rape (very young) girls violently. Furthermore the fact that it have to be underage girls is another strange factor there. With shooters, the other party also have a gun and shoot back. In these kind of games the other party can't defend, its one big I have power over you game. Its sick.

Its Japanese culture I guess. They get surpressed in real life and need to hide in their own little dark rooms to be able to have power over something. Lets make that little girls that you rape and lets say its just a game. The fact that this is about only made in Japan says enough. SICKO's!

I've also said this in the forums:

"So whats next up thats allowed. A real life sim about how to kill Jews in a gas chamber, including transporting them in trains to Auswitz, foltering them before, pulling their gold teeth out after they're dead and then piling them up before burning them in ovens.
Should it be allowed? Yes? No?"

There is allways a line not to cross and this is one of them. Not EVERYTHING should be allowed.

[xino]

Seriously...get a freaking life!
Simulator is a virtual training...if you are playing a rape stimulator, it means you want to be a rapist.
Get a freaking life and go and rape a real female instead.

Killing people in video games isn't a simulator, you are doing it for a reason. And the reason is to get to the goal or survive. Or are you trying to get to your goal or survive by raping?

This game was designed for two reasons. Elements showing how to rape, since Japan has the highest rape of rape. And second "just another hentai game".

It's clear, people who try to say "if we can have violence and suicides in games, why can't we have rape." This shows the blink that you seriously need a life!

[ShiftyLookingCow]

Well, ever since I saw sh!tty games like Custers Revenge, it was obvious to me a game like this was going to be made. This game needs no defense, there is nothing to defend, its utter sh!t. But I am amazed at people that are ok with with games like Manhunt/The Darkness but can't even fanthom the existence of a sh!tty game like this. Supposedly it promotes rape while Manhunt doesn't promote murder. That logic doesn't work.

Perhaps murder like in Manhunt and in gore movies are staple entertainment for a lot of people these days so that they don't affect sanity and psyche as much as this is still quite shocking.

[BabyDuck666]

No, Manhunt was about surviving a horde of murdering lunatics. And in The Darkness you killed crook cops and mobsters. Actually, I felt worse about killing a soldier in MGS2 after he dropped his dog tags than killing anyone in Manhunt.

[mega BIG time]

im gonna ask gamestop if i can pre-order

[Ryuk]

Cuz my gf gives it up for free =]

[Theory Of Suckboxism]

We Xbox 360 loyalists love to pretend we have girlfriends,we also love to pretend to own a PS3 to make SONY and the PS3 look bad here on n4g :)

[Ryuk]

We sony droids are so lame, we make multiple accounts of other well know n4g users in attempt to try and make ourselves look cool but the sound of our metal feet clanking as we walk makes it very hard for us to fit in with the crowd as we can be easily spotted as a droid from a mile away. Seeing as Ryuk flame skills are unmatched, I put a simile face at the end of my message in hopes that I can make it back to the scrap yard with my head intact

[duskywolf50]

Look at the history, there is plenty violence shoot games which influence some people to kill someone in real life which is insane. So bring this game into and boost the crime, that's crazy! No way for this game for us play. The world have enough sick people. If you planning get this game then come and suck my bottom first.

[TheMART]

It is simple. This game is played by Japanese because society surpresses there about everything thats free to speak about in Western society.

Furthermore its played by teenage guys under 19 to 20 years because their hormones are rocketing out of their bodyparts (well especially one part of their body for sure).

Thus: Japanese and horny teenagers all around the world... Get laid and have an open society without surpressing. It helps to cut the wierd thoughts from the heads.

[Amnesiac]

The only reason this game should be defended (from my American viewpoint) is that total censorship is unconstitutional.

You start to give up one right, and the next thing you know, you're Winston Smith and you just committed thoughtcrime.

"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it." - Voltaire

[Cherchez La Ghost]

The title just does it for me. To condone just the title is sick. I'm not the one to judge anyone, but the people who would publish s*it like this should be kicked in the a**. Amazon is a good company. And I bet this will be taken off of their website in no time.

[IQUITN4G]

Immoral sad boys on here today.Lets encourage rape everybody it's such fun

Books aren't games

[mastiffchild]

Look, the author of the article makes THE cogent point here and from what I've learned it's true. Letting those who want to play a game(admittedly one I'm not comfortable with personally but I'd certainly have banned both Bushes AND Thatcher from getting into politics which is infiniely more harmful than this cack)that may sate a worrying carnal desire and thus lessening the chance of it happening for real MUST be allowed however it upsets us as a million gameplay sins don't equal one in the real world now do they.
Getting these off the virtual shelves may be good for Amazons image but if things like this reduce the likelihood of real abuses is that the right course-also if sold online they crate a data trail which , if offences are connitted may lead to an offender, no? I've done research on Chemical Castsation and various other methods of hopefully controlling the desires of twisted people(many of whom are vicims roo remember) and they may well "get their fix" from a game like this.
Automatically brushing things under the carpet has never made them go away in my experience and if this can help people, no matter how offensive you and I find it, are we right to risk alienating those wanting something like this further until their only outlet is a real one? Keith Vaz has his heart in the right place(I guess)but sometimes, perhaps, you have to choose the lesser of two evils if we are to avoid more abused women and children in the real world.
I speak as a father of three, one being a reenage girl so, trust me, I find thisstuff as scary as anyone on a personal level but shouldn't I get past that if this helps those less well adjusted satisfy a longing that will prolly have been put into them through abuse? If I could tell for sure that it helped there would be no question to me nd evidence DOES point to there being something in this for socially unacceptable crimes.

[Adversary]

You make extremely good points, but I would have to see research about this before I agreed or not. I personally believe that games typically reduce the odds of real violent crime, not only because they allow a safe outlet for aggressive expression, but also because they are time consuming. Idle hands you know?

HOWEVER! This "game" is literally a simulator. It has no story, no alternative goals, nothing. ALL you do is repeatedly rape three girls. Now that's what worries me about it. People who play flight simulators, want to fly. People who play racing simulators, want to race. So does it follow that people who play rape simulators want to rape? AND, would playing the simulator make them more or less likely to do rape? I really don't know, but I do know when I play a sports game, I get annoyed with the limitations I find, and it makes me want to go play the real sport.

[mastiffchild]

Yes. Obviously the actual content of the game has to be considered but my fear is that whwen you force something like this even further below ground you lose ANY semblance of control over it. I prolly only have my opinion, though, because I did do some research into similar/related subjects a while ago and the urge for something like this is, as far as I can see, unrelated to the desire to play a real sport after playing a sports game.
The people with these issues(from the point of view that they were abused themselves which is very often the case)know this stuff isn't acceptable socially but are still mixed up and perhaps even letting them play this might muddy the line further. However, surely this is something we should look into(in case it either helps or hinders)rather than just letting a possible solution(or partial one)get swept away. Maybe we're missing a chance rather than saving people by banning this kind of thing right off the bat.
Whatever, you have to look further into this than our initial disgust at the subject matter-though anyone just wishing to play this for entertainment may want to think again.

[IQUITN4G]

Some on here talk non stop sh!t.Can't honestly believe some of you defending this game like it's perfectly acceptable

Both murder and rape are totally unacceptable but in a game where an enemy dies say Killzone or Gears, you don't actually deep down get some sick pleasure from there death(obviously some will), rather it's satisfying having won that battle with them

This game is purely about rape in it's most disgusting way with absolutely nothing in the way of game related fun

An absolute insult to victims of this foul crime in a same way that Manhunt is too - Manhunt is unlike all other kill people games and is in fact quite disturbing

Stuff like this shouldn't be promoted as a game

Go ahead and download it if you like but don't encourage this cr!p like it's somehow ok in game form - this form of software is entirely unnecessary

[pcz]

why is it that sex is such a taboo subject in video games. especially when there have been games based around the glorification of murder for years. is a simulated sex crime worse than a simulated murder?

we have gone wrong in this society somewhere along the line.

[Pootie Tang]

It's tough to defend this game, its seems wrong on so many levels.
A person thinks "this should illegal"
But, is rape as bad as Killing, well no....
Or blowing up a whole town with a nuclear bomb(fallout 3) i can kill innocent ppl in many games and that seems worse than rape too

so it's an interesting topic, for some reason it seems wrong, but is that more because we've become immune to killing in video games so that it's become the norm and rape is just something new?

[poopface1]

Not. I dont think it will come out where I live but I like games where you shoot people usually. Not sure which is worse killing or rape games, but I know that Id be embarrassed to be caught playing a "rape" game.

The sequel should be rape 2: lesbian rape attack.

[BELIE7ER]

im really getting tired of this. i saw this debate starting a while ago, and i come to n4g again and its still going on. what really makes me mad is so many gamers rushing to defend worthless garbage like this and putting up this stupid "im enlightend and tolerant" front. its really starting to piss me off today to hear so much moral relativism. im really getting tired of all the slack jawed, limp wristed, pasty, overweight, social retards coming on here and defending the idea of making, selling, profiting, and enjoying a game that revolves around the wonderful idea of raping and hurting innocent women for your own perverted pleasure. im so sick of all you cowards who would indulge and defend this. thats really what you all are. cowards. is it in our nature to contol someone? yes. to rape someone? of course. so does that mean its a good idea to have some sort of 'outlet' for it? says who?? oh- its a game so it doesnt really hurt anyone. its virtual reality, huh? not real innocent human beings, right? so its a good idea? says who?? sounds like the same argument that was put up by the japanese leadership during the rape of nanking. look it up. [WARNING EXPLICIT CONTENT] http://www.youtube.com/watc... this is always a great argument when you have convinced yourself that the victims are for some reason less than human. that is when this game really becomes fun! how about all you cowards who defend this step up and be a man? you can start by admitting to yourself that the impulse inside you to rape is WRONG. thats right. wrong. then, when you actually grow some testicals and backbone you can someday hope to stand up for things in this world that are right or good. but hey, dont worry about that right now. that whole concept is still so foreign to you. [your teachers/professors/media worked so hard to tell you there is no right and wrong] for now you can start with the admittance that the impusle inside you to rape is WRONG. you can then, hopefully, feed the impulses inside and outside of you to treat others as you would want to be treated. it helps when you remind yourself that it is indeed a fact that you know how to treat other people but sometimes find yourself failing to do so. we know how to behave, yet somehow find ourselves doing otherwise. it is even more helpful if you can realise that when you do wrong there is a natural need to make things right, and or seek forgiveness. [this may start with making things right with your Creator first then moving on to others] i know i am going off here, but the same people that are defending this game so strongly are the biggest cowards in gaming. the same little wussies who act so 'progressive' by pretending to not believe in right and wrong are the ones who will cry the loudest if you cut them off in traffic or rape them. maybe next valentines day they can take out a real woman and treat her like a lady.

[LeShin]

Bubbles!!

[conswella]

It was a pretty good game. I suggest you get it. It will satisfy your fantasies. nuff said.

[pcz]

obviously the context which the content is shown in makes a difference. it is a game (a pretty ill advised and conceived one at that) but it is a game.

in the same way you might get role playing adult entertainment (like porn) where the actors play out rape fantasies for the viewers 'pleasure.' obviously this sort of entertainment is questionable but it IS in the context of entertainment.

i know in the uk, some forms of entertainment are illegal. as far as i know, porn depicting real or simulated rape is illegal (not completely sure.) so i this game would actually be illegal in the uk.

lets just cut to the chase- would you rather hear your loved one was raped or murdered? terrible question i know, but i think its obvious rape is a 'lesser evil.' its scary to think that murder in video games has become tolerated. it takes a game about another crime- rape, to make that become more apparent.

[GreenHeartNext]

I just checked a torrent site for this game to see if anything came up and found this game to be heavily seeded with over 1000 seeders. And it's ranked 13th out of all PC games on that site! That says a lot. People don't just tolerate this game, they really want this game. I guess I'll download and help seed it too just to piss off the hypocrites.

[pcz]

all these threads do is help advertise the game

[Robaperas]

that's a rape simulator, its like mgs, with the stealth elements but the goal its to rape a girl, not to save the president, or stop the russians.

[Death]

Make this a game about men getting raped by bigger men and it will suddenly be a bad idea. I've got a hunch that not one woman has defended this "game". Guys, this isn't a "game", it's a fantasy simulation that reinforces the concept of rape being ok. Rape is never ok. It is a violent act that does nothing but break the victim in ways that can never be undone. It's not about sex, sex is simply the tool being used to dominate the other person and break their will and body.

If you are supporting this "game" it is because you are not mature enough to know any better. This only further proves this type of entertainment should not be allowed.

-Death

[man0fsteel]

i'm seriously can't believe the amount of people in here actually "defending" this is game!

Look to avoid typing a long rant, the bottom line is Rape is wrong. Simulating rape only creates influence. While it won't influence everyone, it can to the WRONG TYPE OF PERSON.

Guys I'm sure if you there was a raping game where you go around raping innocent guys in the bum this game would be heavily rejected and protested.

Disagree all you want, you guys are ignoring the reality of this issue

seriously you guys need to get a girlfriend ... i'm pretty sure any female would LOVE the idea of a guy owning a rape game.

[UltimateIdiot911]

I have a gf, and a sister. I don't condone rape but I won't say yes to banning this game. In a capitalistic society, I believe consumers will make the right choice. If it's a game that's unacceptable, then consumers will naturally avoid it. If a few individual chooses to buy it and play it, then they can.

Now, I would never want my gf or sister to be rape, but if I had to choose, between rape or murder, I choose rape. You can't bring a life back. Even with revenge, you can't bring a life back.

Those who gets carry away and blurs the line between a game and reality are those who already had problems to begin with. I play fps, I don't go out to shoot people or have any desire to hold a gun. I play racing game, doesn't make me go out and want to out race everyone. I play rpg, doesn't make me want to be a hero and save the world. I play these games to experience the view of another individual whether it is the role of the good guy or bad. To understand evil you must become evil. I rather people be evil in a game than in real life. I know many people who don't let games influence their real life action.

[SOLIDSNAKE1983]

I don't agree with the content of the game, but some of the racist remakes on this site aimed at Japan are disgusting.

The comments about the Japanese people being weirdos and having the highest number of rapes in the world is ludicrous, most of the people commenting on this issue seem to be from the USA and guess which country has the highest number of rapes and murders per capita in the world??? It's USA for all the less perceptive people out there (source-nationmaster).

Also like I said in the previous story on this issue, this is a GAMING site, guess which country gave birth to the home console??? (Japan with the NES).

Ultimately it is better that people do this in a game and NOT IN REAL LIFE, just like GTA et al. With regards to "training people to rape", does Trauma Center train me to be a surgeon? No, Does MGS train me to a spy/assassin? No, Does Tiger Woods 2009 train me to be a golfer? No, and does COD4 train me to fire a gun? NO!!!!

[Gun_Senshi]

Either we accept everything or remove everything.

If we remove Rapelay, we should remove everything from ww2 games because they are offesnive to gta, re, gears, every game that is voilent, every game that offends any religion, or has any religion theme.

You cannot just go this is ok this is not, or you can talk about everything or about nothing.

[BELIE7ER]

lets use some common sense. we dont need censorship, and we sure dont need more government. we need the consumer [gamer] to stand up and say this isnt right and we are not going to buy it and choose not to promote/ reccomend it. the first step is to stand up and say its not right...i cant stand it when the videogame haters say we are all losing our grip on reality and becoming numb to everything. i for one am not. this is wrong. the whole premise is wrong. also- to anyone who had the guts to watch the youtube video i posted, thanks. its important to keep a proper perspective when this kind of thing is discussed. i love alot of things about the japanese culture, but they, like us need to learn from the mistakes of history.

[Stationfan]

Games like this are crossing the line, this type of games caters to a certain type of demographic, it appeals to the worst of the worst, what next a child predator game.

Shooters cater to a certain demographic and doesnt necesarrily mean that your going to be a killer, but a vast majority of shooter fans are more prone to military life, or love being gun owners. (Just check out the majority of gaming magazine and count how many marine ads you find).

But a game like rapeplay caters to a different type of demographic, and its a demographic that doesnt belong in the civilized world, the sad part is that theyre is a vast demand for a game like this only implies that theyre vast majority of people with a twisted mindset, who wants to live out a rape fantasy.

If your this type of person i hope you end up in jail, and get assraped by bubba you twisted sick fuccs.

[LeShin]

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[xino]

if you can read this, then I can finally comment in the gamer zone.
by the way, defenders of this game are wanna be rapist:P

[xino]

I CAN FINALLY COMMENT O_O!

Now let's get started:

defenders of this game are the ones saying Resident Evil 5 isn't racist.

What as this world come to?

And I bet there's already an hentai game based on you the rapist, raping a child (lillcon).

"SHUT UP! Don't let it crush your mind that I wouldn't mind raping a dead girl
Perhaps am I just let you live a little bit longer"

":("

"Better!!!"

[grungyprodigy]

Really?
Frankly, let perverts do their own "creepy" things.
Just try not to harm men, women, boys, girls, and animals.

[Bullseye]

i always wonder who thought it would be a good idea? Who wanted to make a game involving rape?

[UltimateIdiot911]

The fact is, there are 2 sides to everything. Just like abortion, some view it as taking a life, some say an embryo is not a life.

The majority might not thinking it's a good idea but there will always be a few individual who think it is. 5000 years ago, it was like this, 10,000 years into the future and it will probably still be like this. Study philosophy, it's quite interesting.

[The Milkman]

People fail to see that acts like this happen in porn all the time. Such as roleplay fetish of being raped etc.. If someone is into this kind of sexual entertainment they will find a way to satisfy that pleasure. It doesnt matter if its in a video game or in a movie. Even though the game is far from being moral to the majority of todays society. The game is rated adult and the name of the game says it all. So if you play the game you already know whats coming, and your just asking for it. You dont see the game in adds on tv, or at any local stores. So if you ever even see more then the cover of the game you must be looking for it.

So if you think this game is going to turn anyone into to a pervert they most likely was a pervert in the first place. Which theirs more perverts on your block, and people your close to than you think. Its just human, but its the extent they take that perversion that matters. As in video games I guess it matters the mental state of the person in the first place before they play the game. If I was to play the game I know Im not going to repeat the same thing in real life, Because I know I will never tolerate those kind of actions. But some other people on the other hand might. But Im pretty sure those same people would have the urge to do something like that without the influence of the game in the first place.

[Figboy]

with "there are games where you KILL people, so this okay!"

a few things.

1) in most games (ie, Call of Duty, Halo, Metal Gear Solid, etc), the people you are killing are some form of threat to the main character. either you are defending yourself, or you are fighting for a just cause. in the case of MGS 2-4, you can go through the entire game NOT killing anybody. instead tranquilizing them with darts. even the BOSSES.

2) in Grand Theft Auto, YOU ARE IN CONTROL of who you kill. you DON'T HAVE to kill the cops, or the pedestrians. that is completely within your control. i've never seen a mission in a GTA game where they explicitly said "we need you to go out and kill all of these innocents and cops." it was generally, "this is our rival/enemy gang/corrupt cop, etc, so take them out." if you stop and kill that old lady walking down the street that's YOUR DEAL. not the games.

Also, when you kill an innocent or a cop, you are punished for it. you aren't allowed to get away with these acts in GTA. in Vice City, you even got BONUS points for stopping random crimes that broke out.

3) this game's ONLY GOAL is to rape a woman and her two children. you are not in control of whether or not to do this act or not. it's not an option being put in the game, and it's up to you to use it as you will. the ENTIRE experience revolved around doing this disgusting act to innocent women/girls.

4) Fallout 3 REFUSED to let you kill children. if YOU WANTED, you could kill all the adults in the game. you aren't being forced to do it, and the combat situations you find yourself in in Fallout 3 are reactionary - you are often attacked by bad guys and mutants, and forced to defend yourself. many of you don't like the thought of killing children, saying there's no entertainment value in killing children, so why is it ok to rape women in a game?

5) the portrayal of rape in film and television is NEVER glorified. it is never a romanticized act, and is treated like the vile, pathetic, reprehensible act that it is. look at the scene in A Clockwork Orange. the only people enjoying that scene are the characters in the movie. the audience is meant to be disturbed and upset by it. THEY ARE. in the episode of Law and Order, SVU, where Officer Benson is undercover in the women's prison, where there is a guard raping the inmates, there is a scene towards the end of the episode where Benson is about to be raped. there is NOTHING pleasant, entertaining, or enjoyable about that scene in ANY WAY. you are literally ready to SCREAM at the screen for someone to save her (of course, Ice T, the badass that he is, gets there in time, but in the real world, that is usually NEVER the case, sadly).

6) Video games are INTERACTIVE, unlike the other mediums. in a movie, you are passively watching the events unfold (and rape is STILL portrayed like the disgusting act it is). in a video game, and in this one in particular, you are ACTIVELY making these things happen. this isn't like storming an enemy base to secure the area from an evil regime. this is a SEX CRIME, and it has NO PLACE in our video games. who the f*ck would WANT to perform acts like this on a character, video game or otherwise?

7) RAPE. IS. NOT. OK. Period.

if this game was portraying rape for the crime that it is, and you were a character hunting down rapists, i'd be all for it. but why in the flying F*CK should ANYONE, EVER, want to BE the rapist in what is supposed to be a fantasy escapist piece of entertainment.

i don't like the show Dexter, because i simply can't get behind the main character being a serial killer. the same applies to this filth. i can't get behind the player character being a rapist. i CAN'T. and i'm GLAD i CAN'T.

i play video games to escape into worlds of entertainment. i can be a super hero, an anti-hero, a soldier fighting the "good fight," a wolf god, a mobster, and much more. never, in my over two decades of being a gamer, ever thought, "you know what i'd like to be in a game? a RAPIST! yeah, that would be FUN!"

games are supposed to be about fun and entertainment. rape is NEITHER, and you people defending this trash disgust me.

some things are simply not right. like i said in another post yesterday, my sister and mother were raped, and they NEVER got over it (my older sister, especially, still hasn't reconciled it). there is no amount of justification that will make this game tolerable.

there is a limit to "to each his own," you know. Hitler believed that we should wipe out the Jews. to each his own, right? WRONG. yes, this is a "game," a convenient excuse, but by defending this game, in a world where MOST of us understand that rape is a HORRIBLE crime, simply illustrates what fanatics like Jack Thompson has been saying about gamers all along: we are desensitized, insensitive, deviants who can't separate fiction from reality.

what does a game highlighting RAPE say about gaming culture, if we allow things like this to go unchallenged?

it's just WRONG. period. and i feel sorry for the individuals who aren't disturbed by this. we don't NEED rape in our video games.

[xino]

Well said!

Movies that involves rape, audiences are outraged by them. Movies such as Irreversible and Ichi the Killer.

These idiots who defend the game wouldn't understand because they have corrupted minds, they are the ones who enjoy "Top 10 video game babes" or "Best Sexy video game babes".

People like this shouldn't even be taken seriously, since they repeatedly use the word "Rape" in video games, so they think rape is alright.

[man0fsteel]

THANK GOD there's a mature voice in here

[mcm]

Ah man this is just F***ed up. Theres no option to play as a female character and rape a guy!

Seriously though this is just too much for me.

Next there will be a game called "Murder was the case" where you can simulate abducting and killing people. What is this world coming to.

Those crazy people you see preaching on the corner, "The end is near", "Man is doomed", they just might not be so crazy after all.

LOL!!

[Khan613]

Be it for Violence or sex, simulations are there for the players enjoyment. No matter what sick acts floats the player's boat. I dont believe in any forms of censoreship and dont want others to make decisions about what I watch for me.

I've had this game on a shelf somewhere along side my GTA collection (and other more violent games) for a couple of years now.

It probably doesn't help to point out that there is no "WIN situation" in this game. The player is usually locked up or killed by his victim if I recall correctly. :)

But I digress, people know the difference between right and wrong, fantasy and reality.

Anybody looking to blame shift criminal behaviour on a game should be dealt with. There simply is no excuse for (example) shooting up a school or raping women or <insert your violent act here)

...and then blaming your actions on a book/movie/game???

If you committed such atrocities, you obviously have issues, and should be removed from the gene pool, not seek game developers to blame.

[Dpa]

The people calling for this game to be banned simply on the premesis that it is rape are just as stupid as the people defending it.

Firstly, you need to understand why this game is more disturbing than a game with murder like say GTA. Its because this game is intended to be erotic, the people who play this game for sexual reasons are to some extent replicating the feelings that a rapist feels. Now I don't think for a second it is likely to make these people run out and start actually raping people but people who frequently get off on fantasies like this are clearly very disturbed people and for their own mental health something like this shouldn't be encouraged.

While all this is true, this doesn't mean it should be banned totally. Something like this is no different to certain pornography and material like this should only be distributed behind closed doors and definitely shouldn't be available on a popular site like Amazon.

[evilmonkey501]

Im sure sales will spike 1000 percent after this article....you sickos...I know your downloading this right now!

[Kurylo3d]

this game to me is a sexual predator training ground. Look i dont mind shooting people... thats a competitive sport. Thats action.. your your own action hero. Its a competitive manly thing. Rape? i mean cmon... some guys might have a rape fantasy where they tell their girlfriend to act like they dont want it... i guess its human nature to want to do bad. But damn this is just horrible. It may even turn normal people into exploring becoming a rapist.... i mean jack thompson... as much as i hate the guy would probably gain support for this sort of thing and strangely enough id agree with him. :|

If u know anything about psychology this would make guys look into and not feel so bad about it. They would try it since no one is getting hurt.. and get more comfortable with the idea. Some may even move on to try it for real, espeacially if nothing normal turns them on anymore. (that sort of thing can happen.. i mean if u ever met any pornstars.. a lot of them need viagra to get it up, just cause they cant get it up normally anymore.) Normal things wont feel so naughty and exciting... and these guys will venture out to do what turns them on... and when u've got a hard on for some its hard to say no. I mean look at pedaphiles.. they are sick and dimented... they cant say no so much that they will actually do the unthinkable. Im not even gonna say it. Point is games like this would seriously f*ck up our culture more then it already is. Espeacially if kids got their hands on it... and lets face it.. ive been watching internet porn since i was 10, that was 14 years ago.

OH and i mean if u can ban child pornography, why wouldnt u ban this? Its just as bad. Its evil sh*t

[Deevian]

Here's the prime example of America's false moralism - how can one not love it? I mean, DAAAAMN, violence is a-ok (and even this is debatable, although that's another story), but try crossing the "sexual" line and bam, suddenly everything goes dark and cloudy and everyone goes into the "moral zombie" mode.

Seriously people, I've never seen so many fallacious arguments sitting next to one another. It's not ok to rape your daughters... but it's ok to kill them, right? Torture them? Tear their limbs off with a shotgun? No? Yeah, I thought so.

"Rape is never glorified"... and homicide is! Jolly o Jolly!

Oh come on, think for a bit. Use that thing that your shoulders support; it's not just there to look good.

[Kurylo3d]

Hey Devian,
Its not ok to murder them either. I think its ok to compete and shoot at each other. Whats wrong never played cowboys and indians as a kid? this is just the next step. I dont recall playing hold down the neighbor girl and give it to her while she cries and is traumitized. See the difference is a real man makes the woman want him. A real man seeks glory and seeks to defeat his enemies hell even torture his enemies... Did u read what this game is about? You rape this woman and u have to make her get abortions or else her belly grows while u have sex with her. I mean come the heck on. I would beat the hell out of the dude who came up with this game if i met him.

I mean do you feel good about raping someone? I feel good about shooting someone. Its entertaining cause im not gonna do it in real life. But you have to understand SEXUAL things... are totally different. They effect your mind man! The things that happen to you sexually in your life will change u. Ask your self this... have u heard about little boys being raped and then becoming pedaphiles later in life. This sort of thing would effect the weak minded and thats a lot of people.

[Deevian]

Dot Dot Dot.

You feel good about shooting people...? Because you're not going to do them in real life? Oh, I missed the part where the game made you replicate irl what you do in-game, can you please direct me towards it?

[Ashriel]

"It's not ok to rape your daughters... but it's ok to kill them, right? Torture them? Tear their limbs off with a shotgun? No? Yeah, I thought so."

That's the point, you can rape girls in this game, but there NO GAME THAT ALLOWS YOU TO TORTURE, TEAR OFF THEIR LIMBS OFF WITH A SHOTGUN OR ANYTHING TO A GIRL! It's always to another guy who wants to do the same to you (Excepting GTA, but you are not forced to do it). It's that sooo hard to understand? You really need to read the comments carefuly.

Oh, I'm not american btw ;3

[Duoma]

i think the main point people who bring up GTA in comparison to this game are missing is that in GTA the SOLE, SINGLE goal, purpose, etc is not to mass kill people beat up hookers etc. matter of fact you are given the choice to not kill certain individuals and most of the time when you do within the story they are trying to kill you or harm you .

With this game the SOLE single purpose is to rape not only a mother but a kid ...come on thats just effed up. For you guys playin devils advocate sayin its not effed up ill maybe agree with your point of view if the rape portion (which is the whole meat and potatoes of the game) was an OPTION but its not, which is why alot of people are saying this game is f$cked up.

[Deevian]

Well, here's your option: get to the menu screen, and either play or not the game. How about it? In one you rape girls that are over 18 (missed that part? Go figure), in the other you don't.

Everybody is happy, eh?

[Kurylo3d]

No Deevian, cause most guys will play just cause they see a hot naked girl. Most men would become aroused by that. Some would take it a bit further and say hey... ill keep looking .. its not going to hurt anyone... and etc etc... that small .1 percent of men or whatever who are weak minded might have a light bulb pop on in their head and get really turned on by this sort of thing... and they might take it to the next step... your stupid if u want anyone to have access to this... just like ud be stupid to want children in your porn. Too much freedom is a bad thing. Tell me deevian... do you think we should allow pedaphiles to get kiddie porn?

[Baka-akaB]

I agree that the game is sick and that none-censorship gotta have it's limits, but let's not lie and pretend that games like GTA give you the option to kill ... It's like telling me that i can stop the movie the Punisher or Saw , seconds or minutes before a character is killed .

You HAVE to kill in gta at some very early point , either that or you stay in an endless "i'm in the traffic listening to the radio" loop , and it's not even a game anymore .

Besides that argument is crap , they're are plenty other violent games out there besides sandbox ones .I agree with the rest but use other and better arguments than "you dont have to kill in gta it's an option"

"i only kill bad guys too" doesnt cut it neither ... keep doing that guys and some sicko while publish stateside a rape game where the chicks are awful human beings , murderers , or anything making them to look less like victims

[Deevian]

Uh, are you guys on drugs? You go from playing an ero game to pedophilia, I mean, what the hell.

[MrIgbo]

Haha. Honestly, posting an article like this is just gonna get people LOOKING for that game. It actually sounds interesting... I'm not saying that I'm gonna go searching for the game but hey, it's some intriguing and funny shpit.
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[Baka-akaB]

It's absolutely true . As an otaku i often see erogames on anime/j music related boards and sites , and tried a few myself . I'm far from a saint and would keep playing it actually if it wasnt so boring or if most didnt have some really crappy gameplay . So now i mostly play those with great plots (yeah some novelists and game studio only had sex to sell games that would otherwise wouldnt need it , some even becomes sex free animes like fate stay night)

I avoided rapelay like the plague , however i do know that the game has been around for years , and translated already via patches for at least as long ....

The only thing these articles has done so far , are bringing up to the spotlight such games , when they remained in their confined sick niche .
Hell even as an occasional erogame player , i didnt even realise the game was released in US retail , till these complaints started .

Whoever wrote it unfortunately turned what was probably a something downloaded or bought by a confidential hundreds westerners , into something downloaded by thousands of people .

[pcz]

murder is worse than rape. in any context. even in the eyes of the law, if you commit murder, you will get more time than if you commit rape.

its not using that argument to defend the game, its stating the obvious! people here undoubtedly murder people on a daily basis in video games, but god forbid they ever rape somebody.

the whole argument is stupid and can be taken to extremes- 'oh in die hard trilogy i ran over all those innocent pedestrians! i must run to church and confess my sins!'

can you not differentiate fantasy from reality? if you can't then i suggest you don't watch tv, don't read books, don't play video games, don't watch porn. in fact, just log off and find the nearest cave. and don't draw pictures on the cave walls.

[man0fsteel]

actually a lot of women wish that they were dead after being raped. Some loose the inability to function in society after going such an event.

[hulud86]

This is a ripoff of the article i posted and they got twice as many comments. go figure. lol

[ForROME]

This is dumb, let the game go on, if it doesnt sell well then they will not make it again, if it does, well it does, its a form of art allowed in all media except games, games seem to be the only limited....

[pcz]

even if you 'accidently' murder somebody (manslaughter) you would probably get more time than if you raped somebody.

and people talk about murder in war games.. i have never been one of these damn hypocrites who thinks death in war isn't murder. murder is murder, stop trying to paint a rosy picture of it. rape is a serious crime, yes, but murder is the ultimate crime.

[whothedog]

...Touchy subject....

*Loosens tie*

I have to say I see both sides, simulating rape is only going to attract to people who are into that maybe even give them the confidence to do it. On the other hand that can also be for people are into role-playing, who like to role-play like they are being raped. So its a double-edged sword if you ask me.

[kornbeaner]

First off let me say that I believe that rape, sexual assault and child molestation are by far the worst crimes that are being committed in the world today. If I had the power to punish those that commit these crimes they would do it once and thats it, because the penalty would be so sever that those found guilty would not be able to perform those acts ever again.

Now on topic. At the end of the day this game is just that, A GAME! there have been tons of movies amd books where these acts are being committed and some of those actually win awards. Movies like Mystic River, Doubt and several others have scenes or insinuate a scene like that has just taken place. And the only reason why these movies are tolerated is because there is a "hero" in the movie who is trying to prevent these acts from happening again. But there is where the double standard lies. What if we removed Kevin Bacon and Meryl Streep's characters from their respective movies all together, then what? Do these movies stop being the "Masterpiece" that they are being labeled as and become "Filth or smut" films because they lack a "Hero"? That's a double standard. Hero or not the fact that rape and molestation is being insinuated is awful. Don't fool yourself into thinking a hero in a movie makes that movie any more wholesome. This game and the 2 movies I just mentioned should be held to the same standard. Just because 2 of the 3 forms are passive and the other is interactive should mot make the act any more tolerable. While it is a shock to see games like this, at the end it is just another form of canvas for artist to paint and to some this game is still considered art. If you do then that's fine as long as the curiosity for the act remains in the virtual realm, where once you reboot the game no one in that world knows what just took place then go ahead and get your jollies. This game is no different then GTA, Manhunt, the Punisher, and others that depict acts that are not tolerated in the real world. Just remember the Virtual world is the virtual world, that world comes with no penalty for the acts you commit, while bringing those acts to the real world not only affect you but all those you interact with.

[HyDRo-X1]

all this is doing is getting more people to know about this game! like the writers of this article! they never would have known about this game if there wasn't that one article talking about amazon removing it from their website...

[W S K]

a game about raping other people is a very wierd and pervert idea (if you ask me)

but we know that there are strange games coming from Japan (though i like Japan and almost everything about it)

but sometimes they scare me a little bit ._.

there are enough porns on the i-net or you should go to a whore.... if you need "it" that bad

no need to rape... even virtually

[gunnhed]

i think that people are forgetting a few basic things concerning this particular video game. like the person who wrote the article, i have also not played this game, but the concept of this just complete frightens me.

some people have written that movies and books have been made on the subject of rape, and therefore, why not a video game? you're forgetting that they weren't made as pro-rape movies or books. they weren't made as a how to video etc. these movies/books weren't made to give people pleasure by watching an innocent victim suffer. another major difference when comparing the various mediums, is that a book and movie is from a writers/directors perspective. it's a story told through their eyes and vision, now whether or not you enjoyed the story, is a matter of opinion. but that's the point. you enjoyed the presentation, not the rape itself, and you weren't in control of what's going on. it's a passive act to read or watch. in a game, you take on the aggressive role. you decide what happens. you make the mental choice to cause harm.

and sure there are lots of video games made on the horrors of war/killing/murder. and as others have mentioned, there are lines that you just do not cross. we as a society deem what's appropriate and utterly offensive. while killing is nothing to joke about, the way it has been implemented into modern day video games has been crafted very carefully. enemies are often faceless (or aliens) and their death is usually a result of a much larger picture. whether it be good vs. bad or right vs. wrong. basically, in most cases (not all games) there's a reason for the deaths of fictional characters in games. a few people have mentioned manhunt, and while i agree it's a brutal game, the fact is, when you take on the role of the protagonist, you're presented a situation of a dog eat dog world. they're trying to kill you, and you're trying to survive (the underlying theme is to live and the intent isn't to kill for pleasure - although... it may seem that way). another game that has made headlines on the subject of violence is GTA IV. sure you can run over people, kill them, beat them etc. but that's your choice. it's not the intent or ultimate goal of the game.

as i mentioned earlier, we as a society deem what's acceptable and what's not. the fact is, we've become desensitized to death. in games of war like call of duty, there is no emotional attachment to the victims. they are the enemy, and you're doing your country proud (that's a matter of opinion, but widely accepted by the majority of the populace). little big planet with it's kick-ass soundtrack was an adorable game to the rest of the non-muslim world. to a few muslims, one track was deemed unacceptable. my point is... each society and social group have their own set of values and morals, and they change from time to time. what's right one day, is wrong the next. but rape, as far as i know, is universally wrong. i don't know how anyone could think that a game that might utterly offend half the global population is ok.

a few others have mentioned that there's a line that you just don't cross. i completely agree with them. there are many movies adn books based on slavery and the holocaust. why not make a game where the point of the game is to shove as many jewish people into a burning oven as possible? or whip chained african americans to death? (please no jokes about resident evil 5).

the bottom line is, the intent of this game is purely to cause harm. i assume. as i mentioned i haven't played it, and never will. but judging by the image above with the older woman holding her daughter/sister/younger friend i can only assume. for those that deem this game acceptable, would you think the same if it was a game based on men being gang raped by other men?

one final note, i have a friend that was raped. now while i'm disgusted by the idea of this game, she would be horrified and probably brought to tears. this game serves only to create victims.

[PS360PCROCKS]

Oh.My.God. A rape simulator!? Really? Only F'ing weird ass asian people could develop something so disgusting. To everyone on this board sticking up for this game and saying it's ok because it's "not real" and we "kill in games" it is NOT THE SAME!! You can try to rationalize all you want over this, but I'm sorry a game in where you "pray to god, so that the woman's skirt blows up so you can sneak a peek" and than stalking her onto a train and rubbing all over her until you attack her in a dark park so you can FORCE her to have sex is a HELL of a lot worse than anything I've even REMOTELY done in a game. Yes I play GTA, but I'm a 23 year old and I know that what I'm doing is completely fake and ridiculous. Anyone who plays a game like this has some serious mental problems.

[molsen81]

where can you buy the game?

[msmith]

you can get the game from me. it comes with a bonus video. it's a vid of me with a gun to your moms head, forcing her to go down on me.

[molsen81]

I'm an adult. I can play whatever I want. I just found a site and ordered it.

[SinnedNogara]

I saw the website and that was creepy!

[msmith]

@ moslon81 - can't get laid in real life? no date for your highschool prom? d*ck too small? whatever your reasons are for wanting this game, i think you need to take a step back and seriously think about why forcing yourself on someone turns you on. whether it's virtual or real, you obviously have an interest for this type of perversion.

[man0fsteel]

its for those who can get anything play on their own. You can have sex without forcing someone to do so.... The people who say that they want to buy this is game are the pretty much the ones who would be more apt rape women if rape was never criminalized. Its just a piss poor representation of men

[BELIE7ER]

some people always need to be reminded about freedom of speech. you have a constitutionally recognized right in this country to freedom of speech. not freedom to be HEARD. you can create something like this garbage and even sell it, but you are not guaranteed or entitled to an audience, or a pulpit. you are not guaranteed that someone else will provide you with the funding or promotion of your product, or the arena in wich to peddle it. the nice thing about free speech is that even if you are freely given the assistance needed for yor product to be profitable, the consumer can freely point out what a bad idea the product is and what a complete idiot [or worse] you would have to be to want to buy it. this is where the gamers who actually care about someone other than themsleves and want our game industry to flourish step foward. this is when the real men stand up and defend women, because real men see rape for what it is. EVIL that needs defeated. someone pointed out the difference in how we played as children. how we pretended to go to war against each other. to shoot each other. stab each other. to wrestle around and pit our strength and technique against one another. we did not hold the neighbor girl down and rape her. we didnt play that game. one thing that even parents forget is why boys are boys. we were not more aggressive and restless than the girls because we all needed to be medicated. we were training to become men. we were training for the days when we would have to stand up and face down evil. to defend the weaker among us. only the threats seem to change- the neighbor with ill intent. the saber tooth tiger. the invading army. the chemical/biological/nuclear threat. these are some of the things we would face. as iron sharpens iron we sharpen each other. we dont remove the wolf in us. we train it. we become a sheepdog. a hybrid. bigger, stronger, faster, smarter and better cooridinated with our pack. and so as this issue moves foward each male gamer MUST ask himself one thing. will i have the courage to be a man? or will i be a coward?

[msmith]

you're right about the free speech thing. i was thinking about that when i went down to my local bookstore and picked up some kiddie porn. it was right next to the videos of people being stabbed and killed. and on my way out, i had a nice chat with a white supremist who handed me a nice book on how to rid the world of blacks, hispanics, asians and jews.

free speech doesn't come into play when it's criminal.

as for your schpiel on the 'evolution' of man (or de-evolution, as some may see it), it's archaic. i'm not disagreeing with where you're going with your point, but i'm disagreeing with the steps taken to get there.

[gamer2005]

I am a girl and I love games, but a game like this makes me sick. I can't believe all the people who are saying rape isn't as bad as murder. Why does one have to be worse?

There's a reason why my friends and I walk to our cars together after work, why we don't go on walks after dark alone, etc. I can't think of a single woman who wants to be attacked and raped. It is a horrible thing and never okay. Not in movies, books, games, or real life.

[BELIE7ER]

this world is still unfortunately governed by the application of force. if someone doesn't understand this then they have never stood up to a bully, or been on the receiving end of rape. you can choose to believe that men's role as protectors has evolved or you can believe we are designed that way. only the threats change. every night, you sleep safe in your bed because there are good men who have stepped foward to see, and sometimes do, horrible things on your behalf. this isnt archaic, antiquated or old fashioned. it was true yesterday, its true today, and it will be true tomorrow. when i call out other guys to stand up for women and do the right thing i can only hope to appeal to the desire in each of us to be the hero. its either that or the fiend.

[karl2009]

First I gotta ask ? To those defending the game, it's very easy to do it in front of a bunch of strangers on the internet. Are you actually defending the game in real life in front of your mom, sister, female friends or god forbid you have one, your girlfriend. Are you going around telling people "Hey, guess what I enjoy to do once in a while. Raping Women. Yeah, that's right, you heard me. But no biggie, it's all virtual." I would love to see their reaction.

That being said, I don't think this kind of sick game will increase the number of rapes, anymore than playing GTA or Manhunt is going to make you go on a killing spree across town. But let's face it, because of movies and those games, we are completely desensitized towards violence. But now, sexual violence. This is a whole new ballgame.
The only "good" thing is that sane and normal people (with no weird, deviant tendencies) will not buy the game. Because, to me to buy and play this game, you have to enjoy rape to begin with. Rape is not something that turns on most people. The woman being humiliated by the man in the worst possible way is not what turns most men on. At least, I'm not one of them. I like my girlfriends to enjoy having sex with me.
Enjoying this game means that you are lowering yourself to your most basic instincts. "Me want Woman. Me Have Woman" type of deal. And some people might just be pushed into it by playing this game. Next on Fox News, "Young serial rapist blames video game."

Finally, I just think it's a large contributing factor to violence towards women. "Hey, women enjoy being raped. Then why not do it, because let's face it they're asking for it by wearing those skirts." At least that's what the game is telling us. I know they have some weird fetishes in Japan, with young girls and all, but rape simulator is just crossing the line.

[thanatosinstinct]

DUDES!!!! I've had this game for like two years and let me tell you its the most wonderful thing that could have happened. best of all part 2 is on its way!!!!! I mean come on you get to RAPE women and children and theres nothin the cops can do cause its all on a game. and anyway women should just lie back and enjoy it when it happens its the struggle that gets a dude all going if they acted all into it he would just go away. besides ITS NOT RAPE ITS SURPRISE SEX!!!!!LOL