Today's exhibit, Exhibit plex_2456 [PDF], contains the accompanying notes from a presentation delivered by James Plamondon and his colleague, Marshall Goldberg. These are the transcripts from a presentation they both gave.
Whats this about it? It literally is 66 pages, i'm not going to read all that. Whoever submited this give me the gist of it.
"blah blah blah blah MS are evil corporate pigs " "blah blah blah blah Windows is a poison to computers" "blah blah blah blah Use Linux" These people are like the SDF for operating systems.
it's actually about Microsoft's practices. Like when they released vista they gave out Ferrari Laptops to the reviewers essentially pretty much forcing them to give good reviews about vista. Same thing with Halo 3. The article does not contain all 66 pages but it focuses on some of the things.
Getting all defensive there, buddy. Too bad Sony and Linux weren't mentioned in this article. But at least we got to see your insecurities. Have a great day!
crab you're one sensitive dude, do you work for microsoft? do you have shares? lighten up. you think microsoft give a **** about any of us. they have money to make.
I REALLY think GiantEnemyCrab works for Microsoft. No, I really believe it now. 12
lol DJ :P
Lol, you mean to tell me they do THE EXACT SAME THING EVERY OTHER COMPANY DOES?!?!?!? NO FACKING WAY!!!!! Come on. Seriously, not defending MS (or any other company) but this is business as usual for all big name companies.
Eye-opening to some, business as usual to others. Just don't be naive enough to think MS invented or is the sole proprietor of these kinds of tactics. They're ugly and widely available, unfortunately.
Okay drama queens cool your jets. =) I'm not here to stick up for MS I am just familiar with this website and how they work. No, they didn't mention Linux in this article just review the other articles on this site. DJ: Who mentioned Sony? I didn't. I know they are always on your mind and maybe you should look at your own insecurities fella. Twelve: As much as you work for Sony.
I hardly found anything in this article "slandering" MS as you seem to have implied. In fact, most of it were excerpts coming out from the horse's mouth. It's horrible reading this stuff. Play like the nice guy while pushing windows agendas and ruining your competition's venues. MS really isn't about playing fair. They're are ruthless. "I’m just too nice of…OK. So you want to love those conferences to death. I’ve killed at least two Mac conferences. First there was the Mac App Developers Conference. I was on the Board of Directors of the Mac App Developers Association long ago, and after I left I worked to try to turn it into a cross-platform developers conference, and I did. I managed to make it.. their last conference was very cross-platform, both Windows and Macintosh, which of course turned off their Macintosh audience; half of the conference was irrelevant to them. They didn’t care about Windows. They were a bunch of Mac guys. Which diluted the value of the conference." "So by injecting Microsoft content into the conference, the conference got shut down. The guy who ran it said, why am I doing this? I’m losing money on it every year anyway. Screw Apple, they don’t need my help. And so the conference died, so that’s two. I’m working on two other Mac conferences now. "
I wish I worked for Sony. :( 12
I mean come on. Wikipedia has a whole page dedicated to Microsoft's shady business practices. If you are going to defend MS, you are no different than the Sony fanboys you so despise. The difference is Sony fanboys actually know when they are getting screwed and fight back. You MS guys just take it up the backside over and over again, and act like it's the other guys fault. Wake up man.
No, you are completely wrong. Not all companies use sleazy tactics to undermine the FREE MARKET. Guess what, if this WAS ok to manipulate the market.. then it really isn't a free market. Anti-trust laws were created for a reason. Now lets say you jsonhenry had real ambitions and purpose and wanted to start up an independent company to create software that would compete with Microsoft, and then Microsoft uses resources to undermine you from selling to all the venders and companies or just out right steal your IP or product out from under you. Could you fight back? Nope, they've got the money and the people to stop you from releasing competing product... that damages the economy when individuals are unable to get a fair shake at success. But you've got no such plans or even empathy for those who aspire to be more than you are.
That section about controlling the press sounds very similar to what Microsoft is doing now in the video game industry. I quote directly: "So that’s how you use journals that we control. The ones that third parties control, like the WinTech Journal, you want to infiltrate. You want to get yourself onto the advisory committee that picks out which authors are published and which ones aren’t, or which topics are covered and over these special issues, things like that. Just be so helpful that they can’t do without you, and then make sure that things go your way. Just help those magazines like crazy. Encourage new writers." Oh, and I love the part about inventing facts: "if you don’t have any evidence to support them, create it. Find some third-party vendor who will say that this is true. Do an independent third-party study that will support those arguments. Create the evidence you need, don’t just rely on it to come out of the ether. Don’t just wait for somebody to write the article that says it’s true. Find somebody. Say if you’ll do this for me, I’ll do this for you. Get it done. Then you’ve got your data points. So create the evidence you need. " You hear that? "Create the evidence you need", he says. Hmmmm. Sales numbers? Hardware capabilities? Market penetration? I wonder how much evidence has been fabricated under these guidelines. It's easy to label Microsoft haters as "Sony fanboys" or "Mac fanboys", but that's a cop-out. Microsoft's business practices are terrible, and no, it's not "what everyone else is doing in the business". It's NOT what Sony is doing. It's NOT what Apple is doing. Period. Microsoft -- as a company -- has been sued for their business practices more than all the other major software companies combined. Let that sink in. As a gamer, do you want to support a company like that?
Help people. Help people as much as you can, because then they owe you a favor. One of the first things I did when I started doing evangelism to the Mac community is, I started giving stuff away like crazy. Sending them the compiler; sending them the STK, sending them documentation. I had this thing that got to be known as the Plamondon Love Kit. It was this big, heavy box full of books and compilers and goodies, and Mac developers started talking about the Plamondon Love Kit, and how, you know, if you sent off to James and said that you were going to do something on Windows, he’d send you this Plamondon Love Kit. And Apple was just—arrggh, like that, because they couldn’t afford to give stuff away like that. It was very irritating to them. But then they owed me. tight? Then all those guys owed me something, and I was able to get quotes and some things out of them in return. So you want to help people so that they owe you back. "PS3 is a waste of time" "The RSX is weaker than the xenos" "BLuray is not needed" "HDMI is not needed" "built in wifi is not needed" "multiplatform titles perform better on the 360" lies lies lies lies lies lies lies lies lies lies lies lies lies lies
how does crab still have bubbles. Multiple accounts? Seriously. With as many disagrees and as few agree's as he always has it makes no sense at all.
If not then whatever their faults, they can't be considered evil. Let's not treat mere greed and poor business practice as "evil." This type characterization will now mean that normative, marginal, and illegal BUSINESS PRACTICES can be characterized in the same manner as we characterize truly evil acts such as ... (you fill in the blanks: Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, Kim Il Song, etc.). Let's reserve those special words for those special acts so that they remain special in our minds. Otherwise we run the risk of Microsoft == Evil == Hitler == Stalin == Walmart == whatever some idiot thinks up at the moment.
You keep your head in the sand Bill not the head of M$ will be its downfall.
I wonder how many people will read all 66 pages of this.
I wont that's 4 sure lol
This only got approved because of the title. No normal person would read all of this.
I will. Maybe I'm not normal, lol. XD
Except the article doesn't cover all 66 pages. If looks at specific parts of the document categorized under easy to follow headlines. There is a PDF of the 66 pages if you are really curious.
What happened to the rest 34 !? U do realize 100 makes a round figure. :D
Sending halo 3 swagbag to reviewers is clearly a BRIBE. It's just that MS is above the law and no one has the incentive to take action against this practice.
These were sent by the marketing teams to draw attention to the Special Edition Halo merchandise. The idea behind it was for maximum exposure for the products in the bag. The bags were also a great prize pack for readers of the various mags and sites reviewing the game. Ideally reviewers are not swayed by gifts or every game would receive a perfect score. If the reviewer felt the bags affected their judgement, they should have sent them back or given them away. -Death
oh death you one ignorant fool... i wish i lived in your sunshine and lollypop world well @below Iknow for a fact that ATLEAST gamespot takes brides..they did it with kayne and lynch and im sure they did it with halo,MGS4,Gears,GTA4 (cant deny that one) and possibly killzone 2
I would like to think if the reviewers are that easily bribed, all publishers would do it. Since Halo 3 didn't receive a perfect score from the people that received the bags, I would say they weren't bribes. If you check the metacritic ratings for Halo, Halo 2 and Halo 3 you will see they all scored in the mid 90's with Halo 3 receiving the lowest of the three. The first 2 games didn't come with a fun bag either. If Halo 3 scored noticably better than the previous entries, you might atleast have a valid point. You may have been bribed with the bag, but that is probably why you are not a paid reviewer. -Death
The 66 page rant is a fun read if you are bored. The bulk of the text is from James Plamondon's 1996 conferance for technical evangelists at Microsoft. Before going to Microsoft he worked evangelizing Macs. A technical evangelist is a fancy way to refer to someone that markets something to the marketers. It's a practice used by just about every company. James appologized for some of the things he said in the conference a year later. You can read it here, http://www.computerworld.co... It's also worth noting he no longer works for Microsoft and hasn't since 2000. He spent 8 years at Microsoft before moving on. How this is relevant today, I'm not so sure. He wasn't instructed to make these comments, they were his own personal thoughts and opinions. -Death
you make it sound like his teachings are no longer followed.
People aren't as stupid as you may think. If Microsoft treated people like this on a wide scale and for a considerable amount of time they would probably be at risk of going under. He was promoting many practices that have existed for a long time by just about every company with a retail product, but he was more than a little radical in his thinking. If you check the link I provided you would see his response a year later. -Death
It seems like your trying to defend Microsoft and their dirty business practices. I'm honestly not sure what your trying to get at, but it sound like your saying that they used to suck but now they don't. There is a reason why Microsoft is constantly called out for unethical business practices, and that's because they do it. All companies do their fare share, but MS is one of the only that has been allowed to create and maintain an active monopoly over a market.
remember Bart and Lisa from the Simpsons Furbie episode,saying Microsoft destroys the competition and force a monopoly or something like that.
G4tv.com has a halo3 tag (was there more than 2 months before its release), as well as a GTA4 tag. Yet I see KZ2 sitting pretty here at over 150k degrees, every website writing about it at least once a day, and yet the 360's tags STILL have a higher number than ps3's, considering a good majority of console news is PS3-related. But yeah, Halo3's tag is still sitting there, and KZ2, or even GEARS 1 or 2 don't even have its own tag. Not even GEARS. Keep the illusion alive guys, keep it goin! Seeing as that's the television station you're most likely to tune into for gamer culture in North America.... I can definetly see they've climbed into a certain someone's pants.
microsoft evil? tell me something i dont know
There, I just told you something you didn't know.
A article highlighting the evils of Microsoft coming from a site with a agenda to get users to boycott Windows in favor of its Linux alternatives? Yea no bias here! This is America for crying out loud! No corporation is a saint, not even Apple (Look into their dealings with Linux), business is business, it contributes to the economic GDP, if anything all those car companies that have outsourced did more damage then Microsoft and other software companies are doing with their practices.
Is its cool for MS or any other company to bully there way through the market. I think because this is America People should have the freedom to know exactly how these companies work so the consumer dose not get screwed with one Fascist company dictating what the consumer wants.
Err they do, this is information is available to the public, no one is holding any information back. Its easy to look at only the negative aspects of a company, why not look at all the positive things they do as well? If Microsoft never donated money to charity, support students and upstart business, have excellent coop partnerships, etc then yea by all means they are the devil incarnate. Also look at how much they contribute economically and how much that means to people, Microsoft is one of the few corporations in the United States with the ability to outsource a good chunk of their workforce.
Is not Bill Gates ... Bill Gates donates way more then many and is a great person. but Microsoft is a monster of a corporation they have been attacked for "illegally thwarting competition" , note this was copied out of wikipedia. Now don't get me wrong I am all for Microsoft developing products that are better then or as goods as any others and creating positive competition but when they have underhanded deals to market there products and derails the competition to me that is total BS and YOUR a Bigger A$$ then them if you support that. I work hard and spend my money wisely why should I have to bye Crap just because there are some complaisant morons in the world that will let MS Or any other Company get away with this kind of BS.
You mean where are the other 600..
This is not evil. They are 600 pages short for that.
Microsoft's evil? yeah that sounds about right.
but who cares, right. They're evil 'cause I read it on the internets.
Well, the U.S. Supreme Court also seemed to think they're up to no good. It goes a little further than just the "internets".
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