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Fanboy-ism Fails Everyone; The VGNerd Mission Statement

Kris of VGNerd has decided to take a step forward, and discuss why fanboy-ism is bad for the industry, and how gaming comparison amounts to nothing.

marichuu5977d ago

I want the authors babies.

Chris3995977d ago

As if we've been waiting relief like someone for water in the desert. Sorry, but I've been playing games on my PS3 for over 2 years now. KZ2 isn't the defining piece of software that I've been craving to "dust off" my PS3, as it get's used daily (games/ movies/ even Youtube). The fact that this sort of thinking has permeated the media is irritating beyond belief.

As much sense as the article is trying to make, fabboyism exists and will continue to exist. Annoying as it is, gaming has become like politics. People have a preference, even multi-console owners (I own all 3 - just got a Wii yesterday - and I still like my PS3 the most). I think it's just a matter of journalists making their preference clear before writing articles. Keep the PS3 friendly people on PS3 news and the 360 fans on Xbox related issues.

Or offer multiple opinions/ reviews on the same game and do not aggregate the scores. That way there are two opinions and people can choose. Or kill review scores all together as they just seem to stir more controversy than good.

So long as the gaming media remains without sanctions or proper restrictions on who controls our information - journalistic background checks/ integrity/ people with proper writing, education, publishing savvy - I don't expect the current climate to change.

When our average "reporter" is Jo Blow, 10 year gaming hobbyist who runs "Blog PSX/360 Extreme", I'm not really sure how much credibility or impartiality we can expect.

marichuu5977d ago

..didn't come out well I suppose.

Everyone have their preferences, I own both a PS3 and a 360, but I prefer the 360 because of the controller and the achievements. Now someone might come by and say "trophies are better", but that's their opinion and that's perfectly fine.

What this war is causing is hate (no wonder, it's a war), the hate that we gamers don't need at all. I don't want to be an ass towards the fanboys, I just can't approve that many of them don't use any kind of facts to defend themselves and their console.

Some random fanboy says something that makes no sense at all, but as long as it bashes one console and worships the other... people will gladly go mad on the agree/disagree buttons even though there are no facts about the comment. The same goes for many articles/BLOGS here on N4G lately.

I believe many people here are also afraid of speaking whats on their mind, because of the fanboys reaction and screams of bias... the forums in the other hand are much more civilized... just look at the "most overrated/underrated games of this generation" thread... just look how many exclusives are mentioned from both MS and Sony by the same users, and guess what... most of us had some of the same titles listed, which probably means that some games are just rated by hype and whatnot.

Okay I'll stop now, nobody is going to read this anyways :>

What I'm trying to say is that some people are ruining what gaming is for people who just want some quality entertainment and to have fun doing what they like best... and sex is not an option in this case. ;<

HighDefinition5976d ago

Fanboy`s are fine, everyone has preferences in life.

Psycho`s are psycho`s regardless of what their into.

VGNerdCom5976d ago

@chris399 - I didn't mean for it to come off that way, about the whole 'your day is coming' thing. I just mean that I can't really think of a super high profile FPS title for the PS3, and this is the first (of probably many) very high quality titles in the genre coming to the system. Justin, one of our authors, suggested to me that we remove the scoring system, and we really seriously considered it for a while. The problem is, a lot of visitors just wanna look at a couple score comparisons and take off. Getting them to read OMGWALLOFTEXT just isn't as easy. If a score is what is required to try to get them all of the info they need in a split second, that's what we will do. Sad, but true.

@marichuu - <3 That is the entire point. It's really hard to use facts to try to win fanboy arguments. Even if you plunk down cold, hard facts, nobody is really willing to hear them, and even if they do, comparing apples to oranges is worthless. Each console has areas where it is better and where it is worse, and no 2 systems can overlap.

btw, sex will always be an option.

marichuu5976d ago

@VGN
So true, so true... but in the end, if you took the worst from both sides, dropped them in the same room and gave them their desired controller to play a game, they'd be laughing and having fun no matter what console they were playing the game on... or they'd just end up having sex.

L-a-i-n5976d ago

It is true that most fanboy wars are not really for any point at all. Mostly just people who want attention from others. I don't think people are scared to say anything they just don't want to waste the time and effort to do it. You will have 1 good post out of every 7 on N4G. That 1 person is pretty much overlooked due to the other 6 just flaming away. Facts usually don't help at all. Most fanboys will not listen at all.

marichuu5976d ago

@Lain
You're probably right, but I have to keep trying until something happens and people actually do read it and think for themselves "why that makes sense..."
I tend to get mostly agrees when I write something that doesn't refer to a specific console, while the disagrees just roll in with no comments as soon as I mention something I didn't find interesting in an exclusive game for the console X

So far these comments for this article are probably the most logical I've seen for a while here :p it's nice to see that there are still people out there that don't need to bash someone for their opinion and preferences.

HighDefinition5976d ago

Fanboyism comes in many forms.

VGNerdCom5976d ago

@HighDefinition - I drink regular Pepsi and Diet Coke. They both have completely different flavor profiles, and therefore offer different experiences. Opinions are subjective. There is no such thing as right and wrong when it comes to preferences. That's the whole point.

L-a-i-n5976d ago

I like both coke and pepsi 8)~

People have every right to choose the console they believe is best for them. I just wish people would leave it alone after that. Sadly it doesn't go that route. The epic looser squad comes along and bashes you for your choices(all sides of the fanboy charts). I feel the media is the number 1 reason for most of the fanboy bull crap. Constant comparisons and flamewar articles don't help anything at all.

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komp5976d ago

I agree. We should all fight together not against each other.

What do you think of this article
http://www.n4g.com/NewsCom-...

yamamoto1145976d ago

"Games are for playing, not hating."

nefa15315976d ago

real life? whats this game you claim that is better than kz2 and gow2? hrmm! oh and which system is it on again ? =p

VGNerdCom5976d ago

Only available on ME. Well, it sucks to play, and you can never win, the grinding sucks, and social interaction is full of fail, but at least it's free to play. That, and it's never in beta.

marichuu5976d ago

However the game ends after 20 seconds, amirite? :p

AnimeRaven5976d ago

lol funny stuff life is so much more fun than you make it out to be.... We get to play games doesn't matter what age we are. FULL OF WIN!

Sayai jin5976d ago

There is nothing wrong having a preference or favorite team, drink, etc. Having a preferred console is cool too. People try to compare console fanboyism to someone being a diehard fan of a sports team. It is the same in ways, but different in many other ways. A team has human players that you can interact with, talk, touch, get autographs, etc. Like I said preferring a console or liking a certain console over others is cool, but when people bash the other consoles with biased comments, ridiculous statements. Having a do or die attitude to a lifeless (a console) object is what I think they are talking about when they mean fanboys. That's the difference between fans and fanboys.

So have you favorite game, dev, console, game genre, and enjoy the newest era in gaming. Just leave the immature, hateful, biased comments at the door or in the open zone.

Game on...

L-a-i-n5976d ago

I agree you can have a preferred console. When they start to compare is when the issues in an immature way is when the problems start. Respect others decisions and just maybe they will respect yours. You will still have those few that bash everything they can think of, but over all everybody here would be a lot more happy. Enjoy you gaming preference and let other enjoy theirs. Bubbles to you kind sir!

Sayai jin5976d ago

I hear you. It's like people get satisfaction out of bashing another console or peoples preference. Look there are simply to many good games to be wasting time hating. Like, (in no particular order) Uncharted, GTA, Gears Series, MGS4, Halo, Oblivion, Resistance series, Left 4 Dead, Mass Effect, KZ2, I could go on and on. Many of these games have great multi player so game and be enjoy.

Bubbles for you sir.

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The Real Enemy of Gaming Isn’t DEI. It’s the CEO

From Horse Armor to Mass Layoffs: The Price of Greed in Gaming. Inside the decades-long war on game workers and the players who defend them.

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jambola11d ago

maybe a real enemy is people who use terms like "the real enemy"
there can be more than 1 bad thing, t's not like a kids show with 1 big bad

senorfartcushion9d ago

This is very much a “dummy who volunteers themselves to the middle” comment.

The real enemy is a common phrase, people use it all the time.

Calm down.

jambola9d ago

i'm very calm
you seem very upset however

Notellin8d ago

You don't seem calm at all. Don't take this so seriously, you seem desperate responding to others defending your opinion that lacks any value or critical thought.

jambola8d ago

stop projecting
i'm not desperately dong anything, i'm tapping at keys on my keyboard bud

PapaBop8d ago

It's not like kids show with one bad guy? I present to you.. Bobby Kotick

ABizzel18d ago (Edited 8d ago )

DEI was never the problem and it was an ignorant take to begin with.

DEI is why games like Kena Bridge of Spirits, South of Midnight, and Ghost of Tsushima exist.

DEI is why we have a huge resurgence in Japanese, Chineses, and Korean developers producing games like Stellar Blade, Black Myth, and why Nintendo & Sony exist.

DEI is why more and more games have HUGE accessibility options with both Sony and MS fully behind this.

DEI was never a bad thing, the entire purpose of DEI is representation of all people, genders, disabilities, etc…

The problem was people used DEI as a default derogatory term to describe what they believed was forced representation, which allowed colorist, racist, sexist, misogynist, homophobic, and xenophobic fools to run away with the negative DEI narrative.

jambola8d ago

you don't get to decide other people's motivations
sorry to break it to you

ABizzel17d ago (Edited 7d ago )

To each their own, however, nothing you said invalidates why some people take offense to DEI incorrectly.

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Sciurus_vulgaris11d ago

Executives seem to often have an obsession with perpetual revenue growth. There is always a finite amount of consumers for a product regardless of growth. Additionally, over investment is another serious issue in gaming.

Killer2020UK9d ago

The fact that they also rarely have any real expertise in game development compounds things. They'll look at what's been successful elsewhere, lack the knowledge to properly understand why they have been successful and then force a team to 'reproduce' their badly interpreted idea of that success.

We see it so often with sequels to games that were successful too. The team are left well alone, they have a break through hit and all of sudden the money men descend on the IP and completely railroad the dev team's ideas. Usually winds up being 'make the same game but MORE'

LoveSpuds8d ago

This is true throughout all of the corporate and public sector organisations to be honest. CEO's generally move amongst the corporate world without any need to have experience of a particular industry, they simply need to rely on their senior leadership credentials. A CEO of a retail giant will just as easily transition to a CEO role in the energy sector for example.

Not defending CEOs here to be clear, I think it's a huge part of the reason the western world is so fucked up. CEOs don't need to care about the sector they work in, in fact it's better if they don't care if they want to screw everyone to make profits.

GhostScholar9d ago

Companies don’t hire executives to break even. If the goal is breaking even then why start the company in the first place.

Soy9d ago

That's understood; it's getting record profits and expecting to always beat those record profits, and seeing anything less as a total failure. Then they lay people off and raise prices to reach those record profit levels again, just to sate shareholders. It's setting expectations way too high just to spike share prices, then inevitably falling short. It's feeling entitled to being more successful than everyone else. It's the CEOs doing all this to boost their own bonuses.

ABizzel18d ago

Growth benefits the company’s profits and therefore the company’s stock if publicly traded, which pleases the shareholders making them more and more rich, which is why Growth is always at the forefront of the vast majority of any publicly traded company.

More growth = More Money and the people at the top want all the money they can get. I can’t really blame them anyone would love to see their profits go from tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands, to multi-millions it’s almost like a gambling addiction.

But it also goes to show someone how morals can go out the window for a lot of these people, and how amazing some CEOs are when they catch this early and provide a balance solution that takes complete care of their employees across the board while keeping the business sustainable IE: Insomniac Games ALWAYS on the best places to work list. The rest of the industry could learn.

jambola10d ago

honestly, the "real" enemy of gaming, is ourselves
if nobody bought horse armor, shitty dlc would have died almost overnight
if we stood firm and nobody bought games from companies that were bad with layoffs, it would be solved
we're the idiots supporting awful business practices, we are the ones enouraging it

TiredGamer9d ago

I think the reality that we don't want to convince ourselves of is that without the rise of "horse armor" and DLC, game budgets would have essentially stagnated (smaller teams/smaller games), or game prices would have risen much more dramatically than they have. There was an incessant drive for bigger worlds, infinite detail, and hundreds of hours of "gameplay" over the last two decades, that while perhaps a natural evolution of things, needed a suitable funding stream to accomplish.

HyperMoused9d ago

What...CEOs make tens of millions and that doesnt include SLT etc etc...we now have multiple editions of games, in game currency, MT's, battle passes.....and what do we get..worse game than what was coming out 20 years ago....dont drink the cool aid, its this nickel and dime crap that is absolutely leading us to gaming destruction.

senorfartcushion9d ago

This is the worst possible answer to this conundrum. Blaming the masses is blaming the only people who are constantly “told” to buy.

Consumers are the only ones not to blame here. People make their own choices all the time. Disney movies are bombing and DEInis being blamed. Has that been enough to put Disney out of business? No and it never will.

Christopher9d ago

Disagree. Businesses are able to do what they do because people are bad consumers and don't think critically about purchases. Disney got away with doing shit stuff for years and it's just the last year where people got tired of it. It's not like it didn't work for 5 years or so for Disney to do the things they've done. They'll just move onto another way to get people to see movies and it will be just as bad but more profitable until people wake up and realize it.

TiredGamer9d ago

Consumerism drives business behavior. It's not so much "blaming" as it is observing behavior. The point I'm making is that the direction that games have gone are driven by the spending. Consumers are spending on DLC and they are driving the expectation of more glitz and padded out (lengthier) games. If they continue to pay, they will continue to drive that direction until a threshold is reached that forces a change in behavior.

senorfartcushion9d ago

Corporate advertising is the most powerful force on the planet.

This is N4G for god sake, every day there are arguments between people who are Team Xbox and Team PlayStation because they’ve been convinced that having an identity built on paying money to Sony and Microsoft matters more than having one as individual gamers who can play whatever they want.

And THEN we get to the corporate advertising part: to play whatever you want is to sink MORE into the advertising pits, making it so that you can more than one specific product.

jambola9d ago

ah you're right
they were told to buy it, it's clearly impossible to avoid that
if enough people stopped supporting, it would stop
disney not stopping would only be because enough people didn't stop

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victorMaje9d ago

Agreed. I’ve been saying for years, announce you won’t be buying the upcoming game because of the practices of the previous game, then you only have to stick to your guns once, see how quickly things change for the better.

We have to unite in what we shouldn’t purchase.

jambola9d ago

just imagine a world, fifa came out worse, nobody buys the next one until they see proof it's better and stick to it
or games being forced online for single player and nobody buys it
things would change so fast

HyperMoused9d ago

Just like scooby doo, you have shown us the real monsters are us

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Inverno9d ago

Greed and greedy people have and always will be the main issue for everything wrong in the world. Everything is a product to be exploited for monetary gain. Even when there are things that could help progress us along for the sake of making our lives easier that thing must be exploited for monetary gains. Anything that tells you otherwise is propaganda to make you complicit.

coolfool9d ago

I've never thought "DEI" (although the way most people use it doesn't match it's real definition) is the problem with games. Good games have continued to be good when they have a diverse cast, and likewise, bad games have continued to be bad. There isn't a credible example I've seen where a diverse cast has been the direct cause of a game being bad.

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