PS3 to eventually upscale PS1 and PS2 games to 1080i and 720p ?

Rumor Reporter gives a sneak peek at some of the rumors concerning Phil Harrison's speech at GDC next week.

This includes an emulator/firmware update for the PS3 BC and further down the line enhance PS1 and PS2 games into 1080i and 720p.

I would like to remind that this is a rumor, and needs to be taken as just that too. Next weeks GDC may shead some more light on this rumor.

[timmyp53]

when i beat final fantasy 12 i want to see how shadow of collusess looks on the PS3 ..yep

[THWIP]

So, we'll get to see the PS1/PS2 jaggies, in ultimate clarity.....yay!! :D

[Torch]

My big screen hungrily awaits!

[GaMr-]

3.....2....1 Let the spinnin begin

ohh wait TWHIP I apologize. You already started it.

[THWIP]

...just stated the obvious. You can't take a PS1 game, and make it look miraculously better by upscaling to 1080p...it anything, it will look worse, in some ways. Hell, a lot of XBOX games look like crap on my Sony Wega 55"...and they're upscaled, and only a generation (or less) behind the 360, in graphical quality.

[Torch]

Perhaps you didn't hook your system up properly.

What you need is a good set of rabbit ears, I tell ya.

Crystal-clear reception every time!

(awww, shucks...you're welcome!)

[Funky Town_TX]

I know with the 360's limited BC the games are upscaled, but nothing to write home about. The textures and poly counts are still low. Now if Sony would just scale PS3 games, and do 720p/1080i for Blu-ray over component. That would be a kick a$$ update.

[PureGamer]

i thought you said you were married??? you sound like an imature 13 year old, anyway great news :)

[Contra26]

how to use the PS3 as a toilet...

i really need to take a crap

[Torch]

No wonder this chap's all disgruntled, hot and bothered...all grown up and not even potty-trained.

Breaks my heart, truly.

[ChickeyCantor]

if it was rendered like an emulator on the pc that could really be cool, i mean i have FF9, en play it on the PC.......with texture filtering and higher resolution settings the game looks WAY better then on the PS1/ps2.

but it says upscaling.....if a homebrewer can make good plugins for emulators, why cant sony make a more power full emulator for the PS3?.....
not only would the old game look better in 720P, they would also look good in a lower resolution.

[TheMART]

Sorry to tell you guys...

But your beloved PS3 can't do real full upscaling

"I see no sign that the PS3 contains a chip that can do vertical scaling, and this new feature (horizontal scaling) is a poor substitute for a true hardware scaler. It is a step forward for owners of 1080i only HDTVs, once PS3 games support it, but it is nowhere near as good as the Xbox 360's scaler.

This recent announcement is just for horizontal scaling, and horizontal scaling is easy. To do high quality horizontal scaling you just need to buffer up a few pixels and intelligently average between them.

Cheap horizontal scaling is even easier: you just send pixels to the video output a bit slower (or send pixels at the same rate, but read them from memory slower). It's the sort of thing that consoles have always been able to do. This new horizontal scaling feature just sounds like they are adjusting the video output rate.

Vertical scaling, on the other hand, is much harder. You need to be able to buffer up (or sample from) two or more lines of data, and then intelligently average between them. For high quality scaling you want to be sampling from a half-dozen lines or more. The Xbox 360 can do this. I don't know whether the PS3 can do this, but if it could I think we would have seen it by now.

This new feature means that games that have previously only supported 720p can now, sort of, be modified to support 1080. When these games detect a display that can't support 720p they can switch to using a 960x1080 buffer. This is only 12.5% more pixels than 1280x720 so the increase in fill rate and memory consumption should be manageable. Then they can tell the PS3 to stretch this buffer to 1920x1080 at display time and voila, 1080 support.

Except, it will be pretty weak 1080 support with an odd and substandard result. The horizontal resolution will be worse than with 720p (960 across instead of 1280), and the images will be twice as blurry horizontally as vertically. 960x1080 is going to look worse than 1280x720 (although it's certainly an improvement over having to drop back to 480i)."

http://ps3.consolenewsblog....

Too bad but Sony AGAIN is making you happy with something that's already half dead

[ChickeyCantor]

you do realize that.....they will all go sony on you?........

[BlackIceJoe]

I can't wait to see FFVII in 1080P or 720.

This is good news for Sony so this turns out that it is true Sony might just get some people to be happy with them and if it turns out this is wrong it will be another mess up. So I hope this is true.

[kewlkat007]

Me to believe "Sony" rumors, not a chance. Would be nice tho..

[willymcd]

its best to play a game at its native resolution. upscaled 360 games look like crap, even halo 2. i can't imagine how retarded it would be to play an upscaled ps1 game.

[Quisp]

It really comes down to, how much better will it look graphically.
In comparison, when Gran Turismo 4 came out, they had an upscaled 1008i, which looked pretty good for a PS2 game.

Im wondering how THOSE upscaled graphics, would compare in quality, to what youre speaking of for PS3 1080i,and how that end product would compare to whats currently happening, with 720p getting downscaled to 480p.

[ChickeyCantor]

nvm

[AudioRage]

a fitting username

[ReconHope]

would need anything more than horizontal scaling for a ps1 game, 480p scaling would be the best i think.

[Boink]

not upscaling is just retarded...