Clair Obscur: Expedition 33 Uses Unreal Engine 5. How Is It Destroying The Industry Again?

Zach writes: "We discuss Unreal Engine 5, which, despite being used for titles like Clair Obscur: Expedition 33, still gets accused of ruining the industry.for some reason."

[Goodguy01]

Game looks great but only runs decent on my high end PC. There are certain maps that also struggle my framerates. UE5 is simply known as just running horrible on current hardware and many devs just don't do a great job at optimization. UE5 looks great but honestly, there are plenty of games the last couple of generations that look just as good if not better and run amazing 100+ framerates on current hardware.

[pwnmaster3000]

Your high end pc runs decent??
I feel like my PS5 and series x runs it perfect. Never any problems.

[KyRo]

Lolokbud, we play games whilst you PC lot get hard for numbers In the corner of your screen. Just play the game. No one cares honestly.

[Michiel1989]

@kyro this is clearly an article about UE5 and it's performance/impact in gaming. If you're confused about what people are saying, just don't comment. You're saying you don't care, but you cared enough to comment. Just put the fps in the bag lil bro.

[BlueDaBaDee]

@KyRo Good god the inferiority complex on you is almost palpable.

[MrNinosan]

Runs great on my PS5 Pro and no need for more than locked 60fps

[ManMarmalade]

I have a geforce 3070 with 32gb ram and I run ultra settings fine with no frame issues.

[badz149]

1080p?

[ManMarmalade]

@badz
Yes. I have a 180hz monitor

[Flewid638]

Strange. It runs flawlessly on my PC.

[b00mFargl3]

My PC is high-end but a bit outdated, and it runs flawlessly. I'm not sure where your issues are, but I'm not experiencing them.

[babadivad]

Runs much better than my console on my PC. What are you talking about?

[Andy_Dee]

What specs do you have?

Mine on PC runs flawlessly on 60fps even. I think I can have it on ultra with around 80fps as average. No issues here!

1-2 stutters in the whole run.

[LucasRuinedChildhood]

UE5 has clear issues but there is almost no nuance about it online. Games like Expedition 33, The Talos Principle 2, Robocop, Wukong, etc show how it does allow small or less experienced teams to punch way above their weight. I suspect it helped Blooper Team a lot with developing the Silent Hill 2 remake as well and upping their game as a studio.

It allows for easier game development in general. The Oblivion remaster is so far beyond what Bethesda can do with the Creation Engine. lol.

Part of the reason that Alan Wake 2 took a while to start generating a profit is because they have to spend a lot of money maintaining their Northlight engine. Game would have been much more profitable with UE5 so if people want custom engines to stay around from moderately sized teams, please at least support teams like Remedy.

[anast]

Well said

[Kaze88]

I had huge stuttering issues with Wukong and Remnant 2, but robocop, the finals, arc raiders no issues whatsoever. Certain games specially with UE5 have shader compilation problems on PC, which is non-issue in Consoles since the setup is always the same. On PC you can have thousands of different configurations of CPU/GPU/RAM, sure compiling shaders helps some but it's not perfect. Then some games have antipiracy software that can tank the performance on pc, like Resident Evil 8 (NOT UE5 game). It's all on the devs how the game runs in the end, they can modify and optimize the UE5 engine if they have the skill for that.

For Oblivion if I recal the digital foundry video it has still big stutters, no matter what specs you have or if you are playing on console. Though let's not forget that the physics are still running on that old creation engine code on that one. Also for Oblivion for consoles running the game 15min the fps lowers 24% ALWAYS and running the game over an hour will make it almost surely to crash at some point. So let's not be here like no games or versions have any problems. On PC it can vary way more due to different setups, on consoles usually problems are same for most since the hardware is 100% the same.

[isarai]

Some games suit it better than others, especially if the devs modify it with bespoke optimizations. But the majority of cases are just drag and dropped into UE5 just raw dogging the rendering pipeline at default making most of them look nearly identical. Not to mention the stuttering and inconsistent performance issues especially in open world settings

Tbf i think it's great for smaller games, but AAA games with hundreds of millions at hand should easily be able to create their own engines to better suit their needs

[PanicMechanic]

Don’t act like we don’t know what the problem is

[IAMRealHooman]

Bethesda?

[Flewid638]

So in other words, you don't know what the problem is.

[Armaggedon]

There is almost always an anomaly. People look to often at a single unideal situation as a calamity, and a single ideal situation as a rapture. 😂

[Fonsecap]

What one thing has anything to do with the other? The game is great, awesome actually but the engine is awful, it stutters a lot, fps drops in some random areas, crashes, and this happens with all UE5 titles. I agree that this engine might be cheaper to "rent" than creating a in-house one, but the caveat is that it sucks, a lot, specially with open world games.

[jambola]

"a guy got shot and went to the hospital, where he found out he had cancer, he only survived because he was shot and went to the hospital, tell me again why shooting people is bad?"

[BlindMango]

I don't think the writer understands that the issue people are having with Unreal Engine is the severe lack of optimization which almost consistently leads to poor performance in-game (unless the developer has people talented enough to fix the optimization issues present in the engine for their game). The issue isn't the pretty graphics or that it is a powerful engine small devs can use

[GooGobbler]

It's the "Pep Guardiola ruined football" all over

[cloganart]

Okay, maybe I can bring in a UE Developer perspective here:

Think of it like this. Unreal Engine is a toolbox. It now has quite a few features that took other companies careful planning and engineering over the course of YEARS to build and replicate.

That's the best it can do, Give you the tools for these amazing features.

But unlike a proprietary engine where your engineers set up your guidelines and limits, this comes quite open ended. It's scalable. IF you can make it scalable.

You can make an animated film. Or you can make Arc Raiders that runs 60fps on a 1080ti. The possibilities are endless.

You are really limited by what you as a dev can optimize and tweak. (I say this as a dev that's horrible with optimization and that's an absolute skill of its own)

So with all that in mind, it's like hating Photoshop for creating terrible photoshopped images online. There are people who can use it well, and there are people who use it horribly.

[Knushwood Butt]

I know nothing about game development but this makes a lot of sense.