Phil Spencer Posits Generative AI Tech Preserving Old Games, Called 'Idiotic' by Expert

Muse technology "not a solution" for game preservation

[rlow1]

Interesting, as A.I. technology grows its not out of the realm of possibilities that you could ask it to replicate an old game. But I agree it’s not game preservation at all.

All this digital, in the cloud crap is so much more vulnerable than physical. Imagine, a massive viral attack that wipes out tons of data. I know that’s a long shot idea but you never lnow

[piroh]

A new grave next to Zune, Surface, Xbox, Bing, Windows phone, Nokia, Kinect.

[Reaper22_]

And a few more feet over is Betamax, Evilla, PSP Go, sony walkman,, DAT, sony Ericsson phones.😁

[VenomUK]

@Reaper22_ I understand that you are clumsily trying to make a comparison of Microsoft computing and console related failures with those of PlayStation's parent company, Sony. However, those Microsoft products were all failures, except for Xbox which lost profit but was a critical, not profitable success during the original and 360 generation. You referencing Sony Walkman shows that the points you make are based on format wars and lack any historical understanding.

The Sony Walkman was an innovative product that brought portable cassette listening to the masses. It captured the zeitgeist of the era and the individual and their taste in music on the move, and it became the must have gadget of the eighties. Sure many other brands made their own versions but it cemented Sony in the consciousness of the mainstream becoming synonymous with reliable Japanese hardware and made it phenomenal profits that helped it buy Columbia and create PlayStation. Yes, Sony can be criticised for not inventing the digital music iTunes store and iPod player and transitioning to digital, however the Walkman is an absolute sales triumph of its time.

[Cacabunga]

I feel like Spencer is controlled by AI, he’s so stupid to listen to

[Sitdown]

@VenomUK
Why did you reference it as "PlayStation's parent company", but not say Microsoft's parent company? Did I miss something?

[Knushwood Butt]

Walkman??

You must be joking?

* Written while listening to an MD WALKMAN *

[Knushwood Butt]

Also, while I don't know it in detail, the story of DAT is pretty interesting. It was the best consumer-grade recording technology at the time, but due to currency rates Sony couldn't sell it overseas at a competitive price AND make a profit on it, so they were forced to sell it at a high price point that was only affordable to wealthy people or professional uses, so it never caught on with the general public.

[fsfsxii]

Why are you worried about games, instead of survival during an attack?🤣🤣 315;

[1nsomniac]

That’s the point of removing physical media. It’s not supposed to survive. Once they’ve decided it’s gone it’s gone. Then if you want it later they can resell it to you. Or destroy them completely like they did with books.

[Inverno]

Because emulation already exist, requires less processing power to work, and runs the actual flippin game. Literally just saw a video of this and let's be honest about what this will lead to in the long run, removing the human factor.

[mastershredder]

What more painful is Phil jumped into the AI shortcut bandwagon. It would have saved the soooo much money if Muse and Phil sucked everyone into it (money he can bonus on in his EOY). It categorically is not preservation and rather is a shi*y non-1:1 transfer/skin-job without the same foundation other words exactly what a collector or purest would NOT want in game.

He’s a chut. He does not get it. And this approach is tone-deaf and insulting to the preservation community and devs in support of preserving their work for future generations.

Gamers should be pretty pissed about this one, but they likely will say “oh wow this is the coolest,” then jump and start swinging from his ballz in support.

[jznrpg]

Phil is a moron on top of being a bull shitter

[Reaper22_]

At least he still has his job. Unlike Yoshida who's on the outside wishing he was inside.

[Eonjay]

Worst take ever. Also people should be allowed to retire after giving a company 30 years of their life. He said swing from Phil's balls not push people out the way so you can gargle them by yourself.

[Destiny1080]

sure you could replicate most atari games

to replicate doom you would need to give the Ai, detailed map diagrams / all weapon animations / all enemy locations and animations / all lighting / and a bunch more

phil might be on to something we can have 14,000 different doom games, but would it be the original

but doing this with a zelda would be insane, but there's probably someone crazy enough to do it, and again could it be classed as the original game

[SimpleDad]

Aha... but using AI to render and make new games is ok. Thanks for your wisdom Phil.

[gold_drake]

i mean, Phil doesnt really know wbat hes actually talking about

hes just talking to be talking.

[dveio]

I want all this AI buzz to be used to finally improve the AI in games.

That's something I would like to see rather than talking about AI re-producing games.

[Knushwood Butt]

Yeah, this.
If it can be used to prevent NPCs from pushing you out of the way, or getting in your way, or breaking your stealth by running up to an enemy, then please put it to good use.
There's nothing more annoying than trying to run from an encounter only to find the dumbass NPC you are forced to drag along with you is stood behind you, blocking the exit route, and won't get out of the way either.

[Petebloodyonion]

Last I checked emulation was doing exactly that. playing an old videogame on a newer device.
So why try to find a solution to a problem that we already have a working solution?

[xenz]

Maybe because an AI solution would be much more efficient and better? Emulators have a lot of problems, which can be fixed with AI.

[Christopher]

Emulators emulate an OS, AI would rebuild the game onto an existing OS, which could misinterpret code. The more it has to update the code, the greater probability of issues. Just imagine AI trying to make a PS3 game play on x86 alone. That's a ton of assembly code for memory management being converted and that is very specific to each game. Whereas rcps3 creates an environment to let those operate by creating emulated cell processing elements.

[Reaper22_]

@Venom

"@Reaper22_ I understand that you are clumsily trying to make a comparison of Microsoft computing and console related failures with those of PlayStation's parent company, Sony. However, those Microsoft products were all failures, except for Xbox which lost profit but was a critical, not profitable success during the original and 360 generation. You referencing Sony Walkman shows that the points you make are based on format wars and lack any historical understanding.

The Sony Walkman was an innovative product that brought portable cassette listening to the masses. It captured the zeitgeist of the era and the individual and their taste in music on the move, and it became the must have gadget of the eighties. Sure many other brands made their own versions but it cemented Sony in the consciousness of the mainstream becoming synonymous with reliable Japanese hardware and made it phenomenal profits that helped it buy Columbia and create PlayStation. Yes, Sony can be criticised for not inventing the digital music iTunes store and iPod player and transitioning to digital, however the Walkman is an absolute sales triumph of its time."

[Reaper22_]

@Venom

"@Reaper22_ I understand that you are clumsily trying to make a comparison of Microsoft computing and console related failures with those of PlayStation's parent company, Sony. However, those Microsoft products were all failures, except for Xbox which lost profit but was a critical, not profitable success during the original and 360 generation. You referencing Sony Walkman shows that the points you make are based on format wars and lack any historical understanding."

Nah, i was pointing out Sony has some failures of their own. If you can list xbox which is definitely not a failure then surely those i mention are pretty much failures also.

"The Sony Walkman was an innovative product that brought portable cassette listening to the masses. It captured the zeitgeist of the era and the individual and their taste in music on the move, and it became the must have gadget of the eighties. Sure many other brands made their own versions but it cemented Sony in the consciousness of the mainstream becoming synonymous with reliable Japanese hardware and made it phenomenal profits that helped it buy Columbia and create PlayStation. Yes, Sony can be criticised for not inventing the digital music iTunes store and iPod player and transitioning to digital, however the Walkman is an absolute sales triumph of its time."

Doesn't matter how you spin it it's still failed. Xbox also brought in some innovations and is still revelant today but considered a failure by the Sony fans because it didn't beat playstation. So all the sony products I mention must be failures too. I'm using your own analogy.

So you say those sales from their product helped them buy Columbia. I thought buying big companies was bad. Or is it only when Microsoft does it? Or when Yoshida says it ok.🤔 Stop spinning dude. You, like many here have a double standard when it comes to anything xbox or Microsoft. It's very clear.

[Knushwood Butt]

'Units sold:
385 million (all editions, as of March 31, 2009)'

SMH

[FinalFantasyFanatic]

Nah, AI is used best to help remaster a game for modern systems, there's no way it could replicate a game perfectly or almost perfectly from a bunch of videos. I would use it to upscale textures and FMV for example (you'd probably still have to do some work by hand or guide the AI at least), but not remake an entire game.