Nvidia’s new next-gen GPU benchmarks cause concern among PC gamers, particularly with the RTX 5080

Two non-DLSS 4 games show just a 15% uplift for the RTX 5080 versus the RTX 4080

[Flawlessmic]

Seriously has me rethinking wanting to upgrade from my 4080.

The rasterized performance wouldn't be such of an issue for me if MFG didn't come with input lag, and that's the big problem, fakes frames are all well and good but if the latency is high what's even the point.

Reflex 2 should help with this but how many games will use it.

[--Onilink--]

We’ll see eventually with independent testing, but from the numbers they showed, from regular to 4X frame gen there was barely any difference in latency.

And from no frame gen to curren frame gen the increase is negligible for the most part (assuming you were starting from a good fps baseline).

So yeah, while its only really improving smoothness and not responsiveness, I wouldn’t really say latency is a particular concern.

They technically also improved frame delivery as well, so frame pacing should be better too.

What is a concern to me is how much are the new models and AI Optical Flow dealing with artifacts better, as those would definitely be worse if you now have 3 frames with artifacts between normals frames as opposed to just a single frame.

That said, unless you have money to spare on getting anything you want, I don’t really see the point of upgrading from a 40 series to a 50. I for one don’t plan to change my 4090 until the 60 series comes along

[Flawlessmic]

Yea what little testing there is only shows about 8ms increase which on the face of it doesnt sound to bad but that on top of the ms already there, if the trend continues and they don't find a way to get frames and latency to match it won't be long before we're in the 100ms.

Just seems underwhelming and disingenious that one thing is telling me 250 plus frames but then it feels like I'm playing a switch game.

I'm being hyperbolic there but u know what I mean

[bunt-custardly]

Same. Sensible thinking. A few years away and gives more time to improve the AI to remove said artefacts to make Ai as attractive an option as running native without the current concessions.

[DustMan]

Hell. I'm running a 3080 and don't feel the need to upgrade. I'm still getting very, very good performance at 1440p.

[crazyCoconuts]

On Reflex 2- it's using controller input AFTER the frame has been rendered to warp the frame based on the new movement vector. So there's really no new information provided in the frame - it just gives you the sense of lower input latency. Kinda smoke and mirrors imo

[peppeaccardo]

Big kid with 4090 here .... I use my GPU for gaming and productive work (AI, Machine learning, Video and 3D productions), I never use frame generation when I am gaming, tried maybe once just to see the difference, not a big fan of it to be honest. Just a big surprised that NVidia is focusing his message around DLLS 4 for the added value that these cards will bring to the table .... hinestly I am a bit concerned with the trend and direction this industry is taking.

[DustMan]

With a 4090 you don't need frame generation yet. Probably a few years before you won't be able to brute force games.

It's really only there to improve gamers who hold a steady 60fps with lower spec hardware. It'd obviously be most beneficial for somebody with a 4060 or equivalent.

As a owner of a 3080 being able to mod in AMD frame gen has been great about 80% of the time. Some games have issues, most have none. It works well enough for me to have decided to skip the entire 40 series of cards.

Nvidia is all in on AI, and I don't see them taking any other approach to updating their future cards.

[lelo2play]

The 4080 is perfectly fine for the next few years. Why do people with top of line graphics cards feel the need to upgrade to another top of line graphics cards every new graphics gen?

Reminds of the people always purchasing a new iPhone every year...

Damn! I'm poor.

[Flawlessmic]

well to be honest, its not a need, its a want. im a bit of a tech nerd and for a few things not everything i usually want the latest and greatest.

Also my rtx 4080 is more like a 4070 ti as its a laptop GPU, so its not the equivalent of a desktop 4080. in saying that its an absolute power house of a laptop, and i connect to the TV and run most games at 4k max settings, there only a handful of games if that such as alan wake 2 where i defs need to take things down a fair bit.

so was thinking of selling the laptop and going full desktop but fake frames, latency, and the fact its not like you can really push graphical settings more than you really could on the previous cards as you still need to start from a good baseline to begin with.

alan wake 2 for example i would still need to turn the settings down for it to work.

PS. still rocking my galaxy s20 ultra so ive defs learned my sessons on phones for a while now, and seeing as these new cards dont offer in my eyes anyway a real big upgrade i think im sitting this 50 series out and waiting for the 60. also im new to the PC space, ive always been a console player

[Tapani]

There is absolutely no reason to upgrade from 40-series unless you are going up a tier or two. The 50-series is a complete dud and Nvidia tacked on the MFG due to lack of real improvements. They maxed out the die with more cuda, rt and tensor cores, and needed to up the power to have any gains. 50-series is on the same node as 40-series so there are no real improvements they can offer. You need to wait for the 3nm node to receive another 50-70% improvement over the 40-series.

Plus the MFG is not usable for displays under 144hz because you need a base fps between 60-75 to make it worth it (so you just need the 2x = normal FG from 40-series to hit your 120h-144hz display).

If you have VRR you can have a very smooth experience with anything between 60-144hz and you probably won't even notice the drops, or if you do, you really won't care.

The 50-series is for high refresh monitor users who game at 1440p resolution (or 4K if you go for the 5090) and aim at 240hz or more. For single player games, that is pretty much useless.

One thing you can do this gen, and it totally is not necessary but at least makes some more sense, is to upgrade from AM4 if you are still on that platform. Am planning to go to AM5 and 9800X3D and DDR5 and then again in two years upgrade to RTX6090. The reality is though, that I don't really need a new CPU, but generally the 9800X3D is a better pairing with 4090 vs the 5800X3D I currently have.

[CrimsonIdol]

Seems wild you would want to upgrade from a 4080 tbh. Rarely worth it gen on gen, although maybe it is if you are selling off your old one each time to fund it. Perhaps the economics works better keeping on top of the latest, I'm not too sure. I'm thinking about upgrading from a 3080, but that's mainly because the of the paltry 10GB of RAM being such a bottleneck now.

[Flawlessmic]

well to be honest, its not a need, its a want. im a bit of a tech nerd and for a few things not everything i usually want the latest and greatest.

Also my rtx 4080 is more like a 4070 ti as its a laptop GPU, so its not the equivalent of a desktop 4080. in saying that its an absolute power house of a laptop, and i connect to the TV and run most games at 4k max settings, there only a handful of games if that such as alan wake 2 where i defs need to take things down a fair bit.

so was thinking of selling the laptop and going full desktop but fake frames, latency, and the fact its not like you can really push graphical settings more than you really could on the previous cards as you still need to start from a good baseline to begin with.

alan wake 2 for example i would still need to turn the settings down for it to work.

[Tapani]

@Flawlessmic
If you don't need the laptop, what you could do is to sell the laptop and go rtx 5080 desktop and buy yourself Rog Ally X and put Bazzite on it. Certainly covers all your gaming bases for years to come both on the go and at home. Separately buy a small and cheap laptop for work if required. Another way is to keep the laptop for on the go gaming and simply build a new desktop with 5080 and 9800x3d in it.

[UltimateOwnage]

Basically unless the games you play exclusively use DLSS 4 to generate that higher frame rate, it’s not worth upgrading for the vast majority of titles that don’t. I’ll be sticking with my 4090 for a good while longer.

[Zenzuu]

Unfortunately upcoming and future titles will be pushed to use DLSS 4 from the rate of how things are going.

[Lionsguard]

If you have a 4090, why would you even think about upgrading?

[anast]

Good thing the series 50 is cheap. According to some, we can just go pick one of these up at your local car boot sale.

[XBManiac]

:D

[Games_People_Play]

Maybe it’s time to start looking at AMD cards again.
I’m going to skip this gen, but my next card just might be an AMD card.

[ZycoFox]

I haven't looked much into it beyond standard specs, but apparently the cards use the same node as previous gen, which would explain a not so big uplift..

The next cards might be on a new better node, so I guess try to snatch a bargain 4000 series or go 5070Ti, or even see how the mid range 9070/XT shape up from AMD.

[FinalFantasyFanatic]

That seems to be the case, remember how the 20 series was barely an improvement over the 10 series? we had big jumps with the 30 and 40 series, so I guess it's time for another slow iteration of cards.

[XBManiac]

$$$

[RiseNShine]

Nvidia is in trouble imho, 50xx cards are only worth it for DLSS4, but with that small improvement on rasterization, few DLSS4 supported games and the huge prices, they won't sell too well. That would make 50xx adoption low, and thus DLSS4 game implementation even less necessary for developers and so less supported games, making 50xx sales even lower, it's catch 22.

[Tapani]

Their market cap is 3.37 trillion dollars, I'm sure they are not in "trouble" lol
According to the financial reports they are firing on all cylinders and making money left and right, on all business segments they have.

[FinalFantasyFanatic]

Nah, this generation is more like a refresh generation, Nvidia has stupid amounts of money, I honestly think they're overvalued, but they aren't worried if the 50 series doesn't sell that well.

[Miacosa]

Let's be honest the entire games industry is moving towards AI upscaling to handle the performance drop-off so other than the stigma of fake frames this won't be an issue for 95% of people getting the new cards. If you already have a high-end graphics card you should probably wait at least for the next get i.e. 30 series get the 50 and 40 series wait for 60 series. Most people are not MLG or eSports people that need these cards.

[PRIMORDUS]

I have a 4070 Super, happy with it but with 12GB VRAM that is my only concern, there will be issues with future games. Now that 9070 XT with 16GB looks tempting. 😎 If AMD can have 16GB VRAM and it will be cheaper than the 5070 Nvidia can do the same.

[xenz]

15% uplift in raster performance is not bad imo. The most important thing however is the improvements it gets through DLSS and Reflex 2. Most people use DLSS when possible to boost framerates. People arguing that only raster performance is important are in denial.

[DivineHand125]

I agree 100%. According to Nvidia, 80% of gamers use DLSS when the option is available. I personally don't buy it for a second that after 3 generations of AI upscaling and frame gen, all of a sudden frame gen is bad.

I think when Jesen said the RTX 5070 at $549 can deliver RTX 4090 performance with AI, all those guys with $1000 plus GPUs felt attacked and were quick to stress that it is only with the use of frame generation, aka "fake frames."

At the end of the day, if rasterized performance was important to PC gamers, AMD would be the market leader. However, people choose Nvidia GPUs for those AI upscaling features and ray tracing.

[Flawlessmic]

Dlss and reflex are awesome, if DLSS could provide the boost that MFG is doing then i think everyone would be totally on board and happy cause you could actually up the graphical settings compared to normal and get great FPS.

where as with MFG your graphical baseline doesnt increase at all and your adding latency which is never good. may as well just play at 60 with dlss as that how the game will feel anyway.

[mkis007]

I'm happy with my 4070ti super... it confounds me how people will upgrade gpu's every year for little gain. No way I would upgrade a gpu any sooner them 3 gens. I went from a 1080ti to my 4070ti s.

[DivineHand125]

That would be the responsible thing to do. There is nothing better than slotting in a new GPU and seeing that huge jump in performance compared to the card you just took out.

Let the wealthy who don't know what to do with their money buy GPUs every generation. In my opinion, I GPU should be upgraded every 2 - 3 generations.

[Lexreborn2]

What I find interesting is the way people were talking about the 5000 series GPUs and downplaying the PS5pro. Now you are seeing essentially 15%-30% increases from the previous entry and people aren’t realizing that we are at a point of diminishing returns in technology.

This means even when something like the ps6/xbox next comes out. They likely will be on par with 5k series GPUs and what? Just have a ton of ram? It looks like gaming is hitting a slump on the hardware side and it’s time developers start making more compelling games that are well optimized and have heart and soul in them.

Because next gen already looking unimportant

[isalas011981]

I am coming from a 3080TI... I am more than happy with the 5080!!!