From Gamepro: "If the Wii keeps selling the way it is right now, it won't just outsell the PS2 before this hardware cycle is done and over with-- it'll be the best-selling console of all time. The PS3, meanwhile, is... uh... here"
in order to reap a bigger profit. When a company does what Sony did with the PS2 give me a call, although I think I'll be dead by then.
That the Wii Doesn't have a library as good as the PS3's(Let alone PS2), and i don't think it will
Sales? Yes Quality? bwwahahahaha
while bringing in the casuals to the fold. wii= casuals 360= hardcore ps3= all of the above edit:the big test will be if the wii can sell like it is for 7 or 8 more years like the ps2 is
Spike, well said. Have some bubz.
beautiful comment Spike!
You can say it in another way, that it was the core gamer who turned their backs on nintendo. It started to happen back in the day when the ps1 arrived on the marked. After loosing more and more of the gaming audience with N64 and gamcube they had to think out of the box and capture a different audience. Thats when the wii arrived. So maybe we can say that it is the core gamer that is to "blame" for the arrival of the wii? But hey I dont mind I like the wii :) Thanks
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LOL @ comments. PS2 sold 120m + due the casual crowd. The only reason everything seems so bitter with the Wii is because Third party developers shat on the Wii with all their shovelware trash. It's as if people expect Nintendo to deliver everything. They basically gave third party developers time to create something good without Nintendo being in their way as they always claimed( developers aways cried they had no chance against Nintendo on their console). The spotlight just moved a spot and you guys pretend its doomsday. @the freek The funny part is all these people claim It's Nintendo, but the amount of people crying is far beyond the point of GCN units sold. IT doesn't add up. And if hardcore gamers really really cared about Nintendo they would have gotten a Nintendo console in the last 2 generation. And because of that there was hardly any Developer support. Now Nintendo is gaining developers support you clearly see the quality of games is growing too. (And guess why? yesh because it has a bigger audience, bigger audience = more developers = more variety of games, just like the PS2 lived its life)
"Except Sony never turned their back on the core gamers in order to reap a bigger profit. When a company does what Sony did with the PS2 give me a call, although I think I'll be dead by then." Its funny how ppl always refer to the ps2 has the best console ever made. Believe me there are much better examples than the ps2. @sidar I say the same thing on here all the time and lose bubbles over it. Its's funny how ppl forget that the 120 million was due to "casuals". I mean if it wasnt because of casuals wouldnt that mean the same amount of ppl would be buying the ps3 now ..which it isnt lol Like ive said many times b4, its casual gamers that buy singstar, buzz, eye toy, Dance Dance Revo that bought the ps2 (the bulk i mean..obvioustly not all). Even guitar hero is played by many "casuals" (i really hate these terms). I mean FPS's arent the only games ppl like to buy. Just ask mario kart. Dont u guys think its strange that the ps3 have gone more "hardcore" and got less sales>? Surely u see that.
Mini, Have a bubble =P. I wouldn't say Sony went more "hardcore". The problem is their lame promotion/marketing. Nintendo went into the crowd, showed these "casual" peeps what The wii was all about. Their commercials aren't "hinting" that the wii is a game console, it basically throws that in the consumers faces....i mean a kid and his dad playing super Mario galaxy. Simple and people get that. It's always been a fact, if there is a bigger audience, developers will go there. "Core" gamers were never the backbone of the gaming industry(on top of that most of them play pirated games), Casual gamers feed our industry with sh/tloads of millions. Without Nintendo Christmas would have been a mess XD
Journalism has hit an all time low and no longer reports on fact but rather fanboy dribble, further fueling the stupid flames of the console war.
If Sony and Nintendo have switched places, why don't I want a Wii...AT ALL??? 12
@Mini Mario don't waste your breath, Sony fans will never get it through their heads that there are more games out there outside of oversized marines holding guns and killing aliens. @sl1mdaddy I say that all the time, and I have noticed it's on this site. granted, i don't go to many other gaming sites, but I will admit that if i want to read comments from hardcore fanboys and badly written articles this is definitely the site. i have saying that same comment about the journalistic value from the article this site approves for months, but if people keep responding to them then n4g will just keep on approving.
@ 1.8 Core gamers were never the backbone of the industry? You think that casual gamers are the ones who buy tonnes of games to support a system? Casual gamers are the ones strolling around their local department store who occasionally cruise to the game section to see if there's anything that might appeal to them. They don't follow release dates. They don't follow the industry. A 'core' gamer follows their favourite games and anticipates when they come out. There are millions of core gamers out there that wait to buy multiple games at one single time. It's the core gamers that often buy 2-3 games per month rather than a casual gamer who might buy 2-3 games every six months, that drive a game system. The Wii has a larger install base, this is true but that's because people associate it more as something to play with, more akin to a toy than a games console. The 360 and PS3 are in a completely different demographic than the Wii and no one can really effectively argue against that. The Wii isn't a bad system, but it targets people that traditionally don't play games. It has it's own core following of those who treasure Nintendo properties, but beyond that it's just the average person looking to play around. The PS3 and 360, on the other hand cater to the rest of us who matured with the industry. I consider myself a 'core' gamer and I've moved along with every new generation of consoles. NES/Master System>SNES/Genesis>Play Station1>PlayStation 2/GameCube>PlayStation 3/Xbox 360. I've moved along as game consoles have advanced. It's those gamers who grew up with the industry that support a system and buy games all the time. Not the casual gamer who wanders by the game section every so often and picks up a copy of something that appeals to their aesthetic tastes for a sale.
Some of the same people who grew up with Nintendo and Master system are casuals now cause they have families and jobs, and gaming has took a back seat. And for every core gamer who buys 2-3 games a month there are casuals who buy like 2 a week. they'll pick up something random like Dokapon kingdom and Heavenly Guardian, cause its $15 and it was an impulse buy. money for the industry. I have plenty of "Casual" as you call them relatives, who bought their kids a PS2 last gen and would pick up random movie games that were cheap, like 3 every pay period. thats like 6 or more in one month as opposed to your 2-4 a month. True some casuals buy few games, but there are obviously more who are impulse buyers. Whats sold more this gen and last gens? Casual or hardcore games?.........waiting for an answer. Consider your bubble burst!
" Core gamers were never the backbone of the industry? You think that casual gamers are the ones who buy tonnes of games to support a system? " You think the industry would be this strong if there were no casual gamers? It would have collapsed ages ago. And yo know it. You do realise that those crap games for kids sell extremely well? ( im talking about their favo tv cartoon series or movies like Brawler mentioned) Come on you should know better, I mean if "core" gamers were really the backbone of this industry PS3 and 360 would be around their 100 million mark. Funny isn't it? I mean it's the core crowd who doesn't give much about "price". And as far as we can tell, it's obvious that "core" gamers are not the backbone of this industry(ps3? 360?). Yes yes yes, Core games sell well, simply because there is an audience for them, but by no means are "core" gamers the majority of this industry.
Fair enough guys, I do see and acknowledge your points, but I still will not agree that it's casuals who matter alone. In my own opinion, it's the Mario games, the Zelda games, the Final Fantasies, the Crash Bandicoots, the Metal Gear Solids that really contribute to the industry. Of course there's casual gamers who were previously core gamers who have more non-gaming-centric aspects of their lives and yes you're right that there are many who are impulse buyers who buy 2 or so games a week, a decidedly expensive practise if they buy everything new. Yes shovelware does well simply based on name recognition, but ultimately it's the core games that drive the industry forward. You can't tell me that Zelda on the Wii doesn't matter. You can't tell me that Uncharted or MGS4 don't matter. You can't tell me that HALO on the Xbox brand doesn't matter. I'm not talking sales, I'm talking relevance to the industry itself. Speaking purely from a sales standpoint, yes casuals are a powerful economic force. But, speaking from an industry momentum standpoint, it's the cores that matter. Those gamers are the ones who drive developers to innovate and come up with new properties. And despite what some might try to claim, price is a factor. In these troubling economic times it might be harder for some people to cough up 400 dollars for a PS3 versus 120 for a new PS2. Lord knows that 250 for a Wii is a much smaller pill to swallow. In my opinion, both are relevant to the industry, casuals from an economic standpoint, cores for everything else. And I know you're going to try and rip apart what I've said here, but ultimately I believe what I do and you believe yours. Everyone's entitled to an opinion and who knows, maybe we're all right or maybe we're all wrong. Have a good one.
casuals and us harcores are equally important to the industry. casuals cause they pay our favorite companies, and Hardcores, cause as you said we help the industry evolve. Though if we all died out... the casuals could still hold it by themselves, but lets hope that never happens.
Excluding pc and only consoles. Pc has casuals as well really hardcore casuals (Example try playing Pac-man non stop for days to reach the top score people who do this at pogo.com can't even play halo) Back to point Casuals buy the most games. Tetris 33 million on game boy (Even played by my old skanky English teachers) Pokémon (180+ sold franchise) Madden Fifa/Evolution Soccer Any other sport game (Golf, NBA, Wrestling, hockey, etc...) Any Disney game (Aladdin, Lion king, etc... some are in the millions) Any cartoon based game (Yes teenage mutant ninja turtles, yet by the name children buy this the most. The arcade was sick but it was dam to easy and short as well had cute graphics etc...) Grand Theft Auto especially 3 (This is so casual. People just bought it to shoot people, steal and roam around. Also everyone had to had it was hyped) Sims Brain Age Nintendo Dogs I even bet some racing games such as need for speed or Gran Turismo early on where based on casuals (To fast to furious wannabes). (I guarantee Gran Turismo won’t sell like it did on the ps2. A few million but not the impressive 10+mill) Guitar Hero/ Rock Band Dance Dance Revolution Wii Fit. Wii everything List goes on. Of the top 10 best selling game franchise (Hint Go search for them) Final fantasy at 88mil+ is the only one that seems hardcore on the fact that it’s an RPG. Chances are they you are a casual gamer as well. Or your a little older and wiser and have come to your senses and realized this is stupid and your just a gamer. Period.
"yes casuals are a powerful economic force. But, speaking from an industry momentum standpoint, it's the cores that matter" If they werent making money in the first place from casuals there would be no momentum
nintendo sold their soul for that market...its no longer a game console its the new tickle me elmo...
Couldn't agree more. I know there are still some hardcore games but overall, they already sold their soul.
Ughm can I sell my soul in the video game aspect of things for a money printing machine....where do I sign!?
What is it you think Nintendo is doing differently than they ever have before? The kind of games that are coming out for the Wii are the same kind of games Nintendo has always made. The Wii is essentially a console version of the DS - mostly family friendly titles with an innovative control system. It may not be what "hardcore" gamers want it to be, but it's completely true to the philosophy Nintendo has always had.
Gamecube 20Mil lifetime sold PS3 20mil Sold in 2 years Try harder Game'pro' I noticed the usual suspects approved this "article" TheMART at Xboxkings comes to mind.
Gamecube sales: 21.74 million PS3 sales (as of this date): 16.84 million Source: Wikipedia (a reliable source, unlike vgchartz) edit: Gamecube = PS3 is pretty accurate, and Wii = PS2 is pretty accurate. The only flaw with the latter is that PS2 had the developers right off the bat. Wii is finally going to be getting a ton of 3rd party dev support in 2009.
Wow Quote: Source: Wikipedia (a reliable source, unlike vgchartz) Just Wow! That has to be the stupidest comment i have heard all day. You do realise those figures are from September 30 or earlier right? http://www.scei.co.jp/corpo... Smacktard tell me when was the Corporate website last updated? Aaron Cheeseburger has stated the Xbox 360 has beat the PS3 by 8 million units, they have sold 28 million units. That leaves the PS3 at 20 million at least.
...snooze... edit: my bad, wrong post :(
but wii isn't a console? its a motion simulator with video games! wii will never be a console!
By that logic....my ps3 is a physic and shader simulator with video games. It will never be a....seriously do you even know the meaning of "console", cause you kinda sound like you don't.
sony releases a powerful console that's hard to develop for. and nintendo resells you the same technology in a smaller package. from ps1 to ps3,sony puts out what it believes is the best bang for the money at a reasonable price.adding cd,then adding dvd,then adding bluray and other features to create an all in one multimedia system so that you can buy their content from music,movies and games. microsoft saw those ideas sony had for ps2 and have tried to beat sony to the punch this generation by trying to get multimedia functions out first. nintendo,keeps giving you the same product and renames it something else. recognize those graphics on gameboy color?it's the nes repackaged into a smaller size. recognize those graphics on gba?it's the snes repackaged into a smaller size. recongize those graphics on nintendo Ds?it's the n64 repackaged into a smaller size. recognize those graphics on wii?it's the nintendo gamecube repackaged into a smaller size. the only difference was nintendo giving you a new way to play THE SAME GAMES over and over.and profiting from the repackaging. as for number placement this gen?the only thing that is changed is that sony gave you everything you need built in for 10 year and the price kept it from selling like gangbusters. and nintendo making profit on cheap consoles that are fun but is the same thing you saw before.which is why you see ports from gamecube to wii as there is no real difference in graphics. apocalypse................
But remember this time I can wiggle and waggle mario and maybe, MAYBE if were lucky tickle elmo next gen.
Please Mr aco tell me why the PS1 lacked textures that stayed in place. Yeah it had no z buffer and textures moved around like they where tied on by bungie cords. The PS2 lacked the ram it needed to even beat the GC and the xbox totally out classed that the PS2. Seriously there was no bang for the buck people just wanted DVD and CD players that's all. Had people wanted a blue ray player they would have gotten a PS3. Another thing is The 3rd parties are what gave SONY the console wars by supporting them almost exclusively. To me SONY stand for text that could have gotten the job done the right way but it sold off of hype and actually where poorly made, which limited the quality that they where actually trying to reach.
Cry and Moan all you want-but those repackages SELL LOL its all about the money Money talks-Bull**** walks,simple
I sold my Wii. I was sad. It just didn't have any games that interested me enough to keep it.
Totally agree. I enjoyed it the first year I had it and then just lost interest once I bought a PS3. Still, I wouldn't mind having it as a second system if the new wiimote attachment is accurate.
I can do that also.... I know people that have sold their PS3 and xbox for a PC upgrade. They where sad but now they can make their own maps for their favorite games. Plus SONY is in trouble, 2 billion dollar worth of trouble. They will be lucky if their are any cars left in the parking lot after the repo man.
Keep the little kiddies where they belong, the Wii and on XBL. I like my PSN games peaceful
hUh? My PS3 has NOT turned into a softcore noob interface!!! I should know I just got finished playing it.
it's turned into the stupidest investment of your life
The PS2 to reach its achievement of 120 million consoles sold. Really, it only averaged about 15 million consoles a year, which means the Wii is doing far better than the PS2 ever did (so far). The people who care about sales alone should be happy to hear this confirmation. But the truth of the matter is that the games industry has been constantly expanding for the past two decades, so every generation of consoles stands to sell more hardware total than the previous one. I like what Nintendo is doing in particular though because their console is exposing gaming to demographics who historically refuse to touch the damn things.
You forgot to mention that the PS2 started out at a higher pricepoint. Was it not $399.99? Compared to Nintendos $250.00, out the door? Still impressive. Edit: you're right. A shot in the dark on my end, since I didn't bother heading over to the almighty wiki for info, etc.. It was the same price as the PS1 launch price, I think.
PS2 launched in the US with an MSRP of $299.
Good points, DJ. Agree + bubbles. (Remember when we used to spar over 360 and PS3?)
The Wii is just a gimmick Wii Fit is a gimmick if you want excersise go out for a walk or go to the gym. The Wii is nothing more but a motion sensing GameCube. Most games on the Wii are geared towards kids 5 yrs and up, the only time you really have fun playing it is with a group of people and thats if you can find a decent title for it. The only time there is a demand for the Wii is Xmas when parents hurry down to Wal mart to try and find one. If you a gamer who has all three systems you find the Wii gets boring and just stits on the TV, i've raked in more gaming hours on my PS2 than i have on my Wii. And if Wii wants to break the PS2 sales let them I say but wich system rakes in the most hours for you the gamer the Wii or PS2
Fanboys belong in the open zone kid... A gimmick would be Sixaxis not the Wii remote. It actually still gets used. All I saw out of that entire post was" Wahhhh I'm a fanboy who needs to cry and whine without legit reasons to back up my claims." Sony fan that cant handle being 3rd? Most likely.
i hate how everyone says the wii is winning and crap just based on sales when wii's software has been a real letdown. they still have no third party support and aren't even keeping up with their first party games. the only reason the wii is selling is cause it's cheap and idiot parent want to buy their kid the console that makes them move and crap. as far as gamers go PS3 and 360 easily beat out the wii
To be honest I love Nintendo and I hate Microsoft but I much rather buy their system (on which i'm planning to this week) than the Wii.
Last gen Sony had a plethera of games that interested me, and I bought them. Nintendo had few, and I bought them. This gen Sony has just as many great games and I'm buying them, Nintendo having interested my in the slightest, the Wii is the worse 500+ bucks I've ever spent, except for that RC hydroboat I never assembled and lives in my cupboard. In my mind at least, they haven't switched places. Talk sales all you want. I thought it was still supposed to be about the games. Its about 30:1 in Sonys favour this gen.
You don't like Wii Sports? Come on man ... Wii Sports??? :) ... joking of course
I understand that they want to profit but this its just ridiculous that you get last gen games and last gen hardware. Yes it sells a lot, and people here forget that the majority of the owners arent really into hardcore gaming and find the Wii an amusing toy and not a console. Before anyone hits the disagree button give me a list of Wii AAA games that could match the PS3 and 360's library.
I agree with you. The overall library sucks. BUT, there are some AAA (imo) games that came out early like: 1) Super Mario Galaxy 2) Super Paper Mario 3) Zelda 4) Metroid Prime 3 5) SSBB It just seems as though the past few months or so has stunk pretty badly.
The two highest rated games this gen = World of Goo, Super Mario Galaxy.. Sad that some people buy what they consider next gen only to end up with games that are not on par to the ones being made on "Last gen" hardware.. Ok now there are your two games.. Now answer me this.. Name 1 AAA exclusive PS3 game that rated as high as SMG did and also sold around 8 million.. I know I'll be waiting a while because it doesnt exist.. I reallo love it when someone is so ignorant they try to trash one console but the reasons they use also make their chosen console look bad... You really think PS3 is the best when it cant even match last gen games?
Right now i have a pc and wii and see no need for a ps3...although that will change whenever Gran Turismo comes out(huge racing fan) but other then that i just dont get overly hyped about the games that come out for ps3 and i feel every sequel that comes out seems like the same with a fresh coat of paint with more pc-like features through online. Really this gen has disappointed me.The games just are not a challenge,get boring fast,and most importantly have no real single player campaigns that i like.My pc has all the shooters i need and more with alot of servers for mods and online play while the consoles i look forward to single player. Gta4 got boring after like the 5th mission,Gears 2 was so casual i felt Nintendo made it.Metal Gear was way to short, and to top all this off the graphics i could care less about because they all fail to my pcs so im not really a graphic whore(seeing as i have a wii also) i think people who own hd consoles are just honestly not able to spend the money on pc equipment and go to the nearest console that can preform graphically the best. Its sad though because i play more virtual console games then anything right now and its because no games really this gen are not that interesting to me.You have devs making games on hd consoles just to wow you yet the gameplay is bland and only skindeep.Destructible environments,advanced AI,realistic physics,and bland color pallettes are what hd gaming is all about yet the main focus for almost everygame this gen is online.I did buy a console right because if they are tryign to keep up with my pc's online it just will not be as good.Bioshock was the best hd game i have played this gen due to its atmosphere and story but besides that i really have been disappointed with this gen because i feel devs are just trying to make the next hyped omg game and the story and gameplay are second rate. I almost feel like this gen has become the film industry.You notice every hd game is trying way harder then the next to have better special effects and explosions instead of story and gameplay?Ill wait to buy an hd console if its gonna keep being like this because until a great movie comes out i want to play like Memento where special effects take a backseat to great single player campaigns ill stick with my wii/pc combo.Hell im becoming more interested in downloadable games rather then spending 50-60 dollars for a game thats mediocre.If you own a great pc and have played through alot of games on consoles youll know what i mean but to everyone else people may im bashing so take this for whatever you want.
highly disagree with this comment "i think people who own hd consoles are just honestly not able to spend the money on pc equipment and go to the nearest console that can preform graphically the best." I don't settle on a PS3 or 360. I chose to play my games on a PS3 or 360. No disrespect to the PC community but I don't want to upgrade my machine every 3 years. That's just me! I believe there is a good deal of innovation from HD console gaming. Bioshock as you pointed out. Mirrors Edge offers something new. Did Metal Gears brevity make it any less of a stellar game? Even PSN titles like Super Start Dust HD and Pixel Junk Eden take basic gameplay concepts and bring them to the HD revolution.
exactly that proves my point.If you dont wanna upgrade then you go to hd console but what you praise your hd consoles for my pc has been oing for years now.So for me gameplay and story shoudl be top rate.........and there is no denying that hd console single player campaigns are nto what they used to be and rather online driven for replayability.
I don't disagree with your point about single player campaign. It has taken a backseat to online play with a few exceptions of course. I went with a PS3 (can't speak for 360) because this is where I'll play the next God of War, Metal Gear, and Final Fantasy. There are still console exclusives that are worth me investing into an HD console. Yes, some 360 games are also available on the PC like Gears of War and Mass Effect and I can see where you can make the argument of why buy a 360 if you can get better perf on the PC.
no i agree that this gen is more about exclusives then prolly any gen but unfortunatley right now no exclusives have been great enough for me to buy a ps3.Resistance didnt live up to hype.Metal Gear was actually really good...yet i felt it was sooo short compared to how long i thought it was gonna be.So thats why i say right now ill prolly buy one for Gran Turismo.Im a huge racing buff and 400 dollars might seem like alot to spend on one game but when its the best racing game made.......you just have to do it if it means alot to you.God of War will proly be good and Killzone 2 im not hyped about at all.Sorry KZ fans im just not.
Money has nothing to do with me not playing PC games... I just find consoles easily more accessable and easier to to just sit back and play games with my friends... Also I prefer the console community more in general
We already get it, the Wii is the new PS2 and the and the PS3 is the new Gamecube. Sure it is... enjoy your Wii.
i saw that spelling fix :)
Lets be honest the wii its nothing more than the new tickle me wii wii. The PS3 = Greatest console over hyped garbage ever made. The 360 = the fastest death on any console to ever hit the market without a recall, although a lot of people got burn, the gaming its untouched by either of the other 2, and to be honest the RROD has been fixed with the jasper. So your choices are clear: if you like retro gaming go with the wii, if you like BBQ go with the PS3, and if you want the best that this generation of gaming has to offer than go with the 360.
Get back to me when the Wii has the impressive library of games that the PS2 does. The system is a huge seller, and it's brought gaming to the masses more than any other console, but it's got a looooong way to go before beating the PS2. The Wii will need at least a seven-or-eight year life cycle before reaching the PS2's level, and I think Nintendo will roll out a Wii 2 by 2011 or so...so the Wii's overall lifespan may be relatively short. We'll see.
Like it or not, it is significant that Sony went from the market share leader to the basement so quickly - and it will continue to be a big industry story - just as it was when Sony knocked Nintendo off of their perch. It doesn't mean the PS3 is a bad system, or that it doesn't have great games. Just that it doesn't appeal to people (for whatever reasons) like the PS2 did. The next two years should be very interesting for the Wii. Now that it has established itself as the clear sales leader for this generation, there will undoubtedly be more quality games coming out for it (their lineup for 2009 already looks a lot better than that of 2008). If those games perform well at retail, it will bode well for the Wii's future. If not, it may very well turnout to be nothing more than a gimmick machine. Either way, I hope the pointer becomes a standard feature for future gaming systems. Swinging the remote around doesn't do much for me - but the pointer could open up a world of games to consoles that were previously only viable on computers.
its crazy how your post was a solid none biased post yet you still got a disagree....only on this site.
Stop this mindless squabbling! I wish there was a way to end this fanboy fueled console war.
"In Case it Wasn't Obvious, Nintendo and Sony Have Switched Places" Negative. Why? Sony actually had a big library of good games.