PS5 Pro Runs Max PC Settings in Lords of the Fallen, Says Dev; A Comparable PC Would Be More Costly

Wccftech interviewed the Principal Engine Programmer at HEXWORKS to discuss the studio's experience with the PS5 Pro to enhance Lords of the Fallen.

[StormSnooper]

Not bad eh ?

[anast]

The price per performance isn't even close.

[Gamingsince1981]

Anyone saying they could make a complete functioning PC for the same price as the ps5 pro with the same performance is talking out of their arse. There are a few on this site that think it's possible but they are either liars or stupid in the head, I have had 20 years running my own pc store, I know for a fact, it's not even close to possible.

[CrimsonWing69]

Can you show me a comparable PC and the price then? Just to make sure people aren’t talking out their arses?

[CrimsonIdol]

This is an AUD comparison. It's VERY close, except that my build options have GPUs with around 30TF of raw compute. so nearly double the GPU performance for the same price.
https://we.tl/t-6NaQD4SSHu

and now we wait for the goals to shift...

[badz149]

maybe you can watch LTT latest video on the PS5 Pro killer. from the video alone, you'll see that major shortcuts have to be taken just to barely match the Pro. and by shortcuts, I mean used parts

[CrimsonIdol]

*edit* oops sorry! Wrong spot again XD

[Bathyj]

Notice all the build a $700 PC videos have vanished?

If they really had any conviction they would have actually built those machines, not just priced the parts and then done comparison videos in really world performance.

But na, just crickets now.

[mkis007]

Linus tried doing it again and proved the ps5 pro's existence is not a waste. https://www.youtube.com/wat...

At the end of the day that build just goes to show how annoying building a pc will be to most people out there who are interested in consoles. My recent build still didn't prevent me from buying a pro.

[Michiel1989]

building pc's on a budget videos or articles won't stop because of p5pro launching, not sure what you're on about.

[BLow]

Oh yeah, we all noticed. It was all for clicks and for the people who complain about the price. Now that people actually have the system and the specs were revealed, all that energy is gone. The goalposts have shifted to something else lol.

I'm enjoying mine so far and it's only going to get better.

[Babadook7]

@BLow

Shhh.

Shifting goalposts is the PC Master Race’s secret weapon.

[CrimsonIdol]

Did you guys actually watch that Linus video properly?
One: he assumes that the performance is similar to a 4070 or 7800 XT, which we now know to be false. Digital Foundry, which he referenced has since corrected this assumption as well since getting it for testing and since the 16.7TF official number leaked (we know for example the 7700 XT has 35 TF of raw compute, literally double the performance). It was *ASSUMED* that this thing would match to a 6800 or 7800 but this has turned out to be false now people are doing some testing with like-for-like setups. The PS5 Pro cannot match the performance of those cards

Two: for secondhand parts he gets the price to $535 before adding windows etc. And most of those prices aren't that much less than what you can find those parts brand new. I know for the build I made I got it under the PS5 Pro price here in australia by about $70AUD to spare with only new parts almost exclusively off one large online Australian retailer. I've no doubt you could do the same looking at Microcenter or whatever.

[outsider1624]

@crimsonidol
"for secondhand parts he gets the price to $535 before adding windows etc"

Did you just 2nd hand parts to a brand new hardware?
I mean if are..then yeah, its going to be cheaper isn't it.

I mean why not compare brand new vs brand new.

[CrimsonIdol]

@Outsider: No I'm just responding to people that are referencing that Linus video where he made a PS5 Pro beater for $535, ignoring of course by cutting those corners he saved $165 dollars over the PS5. You can also beat it with firsthand parts for $700. Although I'm not too sure why buying secondhand parts to make a PS5 Pro killer is invalid anyway. Sure, you can't do that to get a PS5 Pro ...but isn't that a very good point? Not like you can pick up a PS5 Pro cheap secondhand. hell, you can't even pick up the disk drive firsthand. Sounds like goal post shifting to me.

If you'll note my second paragraph where I talk about using only firsthand parts and beating the cost by 70 dollaridoos

[ABizzel1]

The only reason you can buy a PC around the PS5 Pro price is by either going used (which isn’t really a direct comparison), or doing hours of price checking across multiple stores and websites thanks to holiday sales which can get you close.

To compete with PS5 Pro you’re looking at:

CPU: Minimum Ryzen 3600 / 3700 / 5600 / Intel i5 12600
GPU: Ideally RX 7800xt / RTX 3080 / 4070 (Frame-Gen FTW)
RAM: Minimum 16GB DDR4 / DDR5
SSD: 2TB Gen-4 NVMe
MB / Case / PSU ~$100 - $150~

If you can find some combination of those components for $700 than you have a PS5 Pro PC that trades blows or has some areas where the PC can be slightly better in native performance (excluding frame-gen on the RTX 4070, which boost beyond).

You can’t really step down a GPU tier to something like the 6800 / 7700XT / or RTX 3070 Ti, simply because developers aren’t really pushing the PS5 Pro currently, and when 1st parties do push PS5 Pro then it’s going to see improvements beyond the tier below when it’s already beating them in RT workloads (except maybe the RTX 3070 Ti).

The PS5 Pro is a solid console and the hardware is worth the asking price of $699.99. At this point Sony and developers just need to get the software to warrant the asking price on upcoming games.

[883]

And most of those P.C. builds do not include a DualSense controller in the cost...

[ZycoFox]

Lmao comparing multiple CPU gens past Zen 2 for it to compete with the Pro ..

The Pro is using a cheap sub 100 processor, the same one that's in the PS5.

It will run into limitations with CPU heavy games.. GTA 6 will show this up with little doubt, then what will people say about it not being "optimized" or some other bullshit to avoid saying the CPU is underpowered.

[CrimsonIdol]

A 12400F significantly outperforms the PS5s CPU in both single and multithreaded performance, in spite of the core differential. something like 50% faster in both. Those GPUs completely blow the PS5 Pros out of the water, not even close. Since we know the PS5 Pro GPU is 16.7TF Closer comparisons to "compete" are the 3060ti (16.2TF) , the 4060ti(22TF), or the 7700 XT (35TF) if you want to go with AMD.

But I do agree you need to know where to look, you can't just go into Walmart or whatever and pick a premade out.

[badz149]

@Number1TailzFan

funny that you chose to use GTA6 for your bragging when the PS5 Pro will be the best place to play the game next year and PC only gamers will only get it in 2026 IF R* is feeling generous! RDR did take 14 years.

[badz149]

@CrimsonIdol

12400KF is a 2022 CPU vs the downclocked 3700X in the PS5 which is a 2019 CPU. it might be quite a bit faster in productivity workload, but in gaming, it will not outperform even the PC with 3700X by too much. certainly not 50%, not even close!

and for the GPU, sure, go for the 3060Ti like you said and see how far the Pro is superior. this has been proven by many tech sites and for a closer matchup, they are suggesting at least the 4070. that card alone launched at $600 and on Newegg right now, it's around $500 at the cheapest!

[CrimsonIdol]

Bads. the PS5 CPU has benchmarks done on it. It != a 3700X, not by a long shot. BUT if it did, that CPU as it stands in a PC with its far higher base and boost clock has almost identical performance to a 12400F.

"this has been proven by many tech sites and for a closer matchup, they are suggesting at least the 4070" what are you on about it? People were assuming that level based on what Mark Cerny said pre-release but since release it's been proven wrong. it can't compete with a 6800XT

[ABizzel1]

@Number1TailzFan

A console doesn’t require the CPU overhead a PC does, and show me where you can readily buy new Zen 2 or Intel 10000 series CPUs or older, that also cost less than current Zen 2 / Intel 12000 offerings. The entire point of PC is options, and you’re complaining about CPUs in the same performance tier, but also the option for a step up.

As far as the GPUs, you should know TFLOPs is a horrible way to compare GPUs especially GPUs from different manufactures (NVIDIA vs AMD TFLOPS NEVER align with real world performance), or different generations of GPUs. For example, RX 6000 vs RX 7000 would have you believe all 7000 series GPUs are 2x as fast as their previous 6000 series since they have 2x the TFLOPS. But the RX 6800 is only 16.17TF compared to the RX 7700xt being 35.17 TFLOPS, yet the 6800 performs on par with the 7700XT.

RX 7000 series use dual integer calculations to get its TFLOPS which is why it’s 2x the previous gen, but that has nothing to do with real world performance. At best cutting the TFLOPS in half of RX 7000 gets you closer to an apples to apples comparison, but even then you’d be looking at 17.59 TFLOPS for the 7700xt, which again the 6800 performs on par with even though it’s almost 9% less TFLOPs. Same thing we’ve seen with PS5 vs Series X.

On average, real world comparisons put the PS5 Pro on par with the RX 7800xt in several games, and generally beats it in RT due to the newer RDNA architecture, which is why it soundly outperforms the 6800 (which based on TFLOPS is equal to the PS5 Pros).

[CrimsonIdol]

@gamingsince1981 I know for a fact you're wrong and are talking out your arse. Go see what you can make for $1200AUD these days. Unless you're completely incompetent at your job you'll be surprised. Yes there will be concessions, sure it won't be the most ideal hardware with the latest tech, but neither is the PS5 Pro. Add in the extra 160AUD you need for the disk drive and it's a piece of piss (I consider this a must on a console to play old games, where-as PC gaming it's really not, but if really you do want to play old physical games all you need is a $20 DVD drive).

And here's the thing. I fully expect a console to beat a PC for price to performance, but it doesn't. That's pretty unprecedented. That's the value issue. As a PC can do far more and has far more games and still lets you play your old games. If you have old hardware you can often use a lot of it again. your old PSU and case will do just fine. probably your old RAM too if you're just going for an older DDR4 platform like the PS5s CPU is. A console doesn't have 9 different products all packaged separately all with their own separate supply chains and distributions, all of those parts priced to make a profit. And yet in spite of all these disadvantages somehow you CAN make a faster PC for less money. Sony is making a tidy profit on this device.

[derek]

@CrimsonIdol, and what type of moron would waste their time building a pc in order "price match or beat" a ps5pro specifically, lol. Nobody does this but the dorks on YouTube and in these comment section upset the pro exits for some reason. Nobody cares how much better you think your pc performs, Nobody.

[CrimsonIdol]

What's the point of your comment, derek? I know people like you don't care about facts but I'm just delivering.How's the path traced ray reconstructed Cyberpunk 2077 run on your PS5 Pro? Oh yeah. it's not possible, it will never happen. It IS however possible on a PC you can make for the same money as a PS5 Pro. Sorry. And yes. people do make PCs on a budget.

I'm responding to a comment stating "complete functioning PC for the same price as the ps5 pro with the same performance is talking out of their arse" stating the fact that that's wrong, with the dockets to prove it.

[derek]

@CrimsonIdol, whats my point? Did you not read what I wrote. Lets try again. If you're going to build a pc and you're in your right mind, nobody would concern themselves with matching or exceeding the ps5pro in performance or price, nobody. You'd just build the best pc you can afford to, full stop. This pc vs ps5pro is a completely fake and contrived social media conversation with no relation to reality.

[CrimsonIdol]

Please read derek. Clearly not your strong point. Or thinking. I've addressed everything you've said. Maybe just quit while you're ahead, or behind. I like the not so subtle goal post shift though. clap clap

[weissmuller]

I played it and it looks really great and runs so smooth. Was a great looking game before pro but now its just stunning

[LoveSpuds]

It's sat on my shelf in the backlog currently, I think thie Pro Patch may have moved it up to near the top of my list. I was planning a replay of Lies of P to get my Platinum, but maybe Lords of the Fallen sneaks in first🤔

[DivineHand125]

I don't know how much the components inside the console cost, but I think there are a few compromises Sony could have taken with the Pro to make it more accessible. For example, do we need wifi 7 in a gaming console? I haven't even installed a wifi 6 router as yet.

There may also be other things in the PS5 Pro Sony added as value to try to justify the price, but how many persons will take advantage of those features?

[Matpan]

I think the logic behind those decisions make come down to Sony trying to make the console as future proof as possible. They may be thinking some people will be still playing with it for at least 5 more years and they may be privy to some industry info about some standards becoming more commonplace in 2/3 years and they just want their console to be able to accommodate them.

Or they have a partnership with the producer of the chipset and an agreement to roll them out now in order to make a push for the tech to be adopted (eventually you need to build enough of a user base to make it happen).

Sometimes is just poor choices too... mind you.

[CrimsonIdol]

hit the nail on the head. If you put in Wifi 7 and a 2TB SSD in there you can justify a bump in price far more than those components actually cost Sony.

[InUrFoxHole]

Waiting patiently for n4g to do what n4g does...

[Psychonaut85]

PS4 Pro filled the niche of utilizing 4K screens. PS5 Pro is probably gunna fill the niche of running UE5 games acceptably. Lol

[PRIMORDUS]

Future: 30FPS quality 😂 Meanwhile Alan Wake 2 on PS5 Pro loses to the 4070 with RT on, it looks much better on the 4070.

[TheDreamCorridor]

RTX 4070 costs $549.

[ironmonkey]

Your typing with laughing emoji then bring up 4070 stuff shows your kinda hurt triggered.

[PRIMORDUS]

I'm laughing at the 30 FPS, my specs are higher than a Pro. 5800X3D, 4070 Super. I can almost guarantee PS6 will have the same 30 FPS quality option now that's the future LOL.

[Stevonidas]

At 30 FPS *stifles laugh*

"In short, you’ll enjoy top-tier PC graphics on the PS5 Pro, but you’ll need to choose between native 4K at 30 FPS or upscaled 4K at 60 FPS."

HAW HAW HAW

[Knushwood Butt]

Does anyone factor in the time it takes to shop around for PC parts and then build the thing?

[Matpan]

I think most people that do that really enjoy that part of the process.

[Knushwood Butt]

I don't doubt it, but there's a big difference between that and unboxing a console.

[Matpan]

A comparable PC would be more costly than a dedicated console, shocker!

Here´s another thing that will blow your mind: you cannot run Photoshop, Maya / Blender, Zbrush, After Effects and a host of utility / production software on a gaming console, making the PC a machine that is useful not only just for gaming / entertainment.
You cannot upgrade a console piece by piece, extending it´s lifetime (Save for the HDD maybe)

Horses for courses.

You can do much more with a computer, you can also get it way past the performance point of a gaming console in terms of raw real time graphic computational prowess, but it will come at a hefty premium (the law of diminishing returns hits hard).

A console is purely aimed at one single objective and has a lot less overhead in terms of software and memory usage.

It really is impressive how much you can squeeze out of hardware when you put it to work on a very specific task. And if you get developers to work hard at making software solely dedicated to said hardware configuration, you can push the envelope even further. Reminds me of what people get older platforms (amiga, or the 16 bit consoles) to do nowadays. Some things where unthinkable back then when these platforms where active.

But when a software developer needs to maximize their profit and make their game work on several platforms, that level of optimization is not posible.