PS5 Pro Is a Smaller Leap Than PS4 Pro, Says Dev; PSSR Is Better Than AMD FSR, on Par with DLSS/XeSS

Wccftech interviewed Gergo Horvath, a Graphics Programmer on Gaijin's Dagor Engine, about the PS5 Pro updates now live for Enlisted and War Thunder.

[lukasmain]

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I've had a PS4 Pro since launch and it was absolutely awesome. I loved it. I've also got the PS5 Pro and guess what? It's awesome too.

[Dabbii75]

Agreed!

[Cacabunga]

PS4 Pro made sense!!! Made 4K gaming possible, enhanced computing power for PSVR, had 1GB dedicated memory for UI and of course the constant flow of all the amazing 1st party titles helped.

I still have it and still using it to this day!

[Einhander1972]

@Cacabunga

"PS4 Pro made sense!!! Made 4K gaming possible"

PS5 Pro actually has 4k that often looks even better than native when PSSR is used unlike PS4 Pro which had checkerboard but often made the image more blurry.

"enhanced computing power for PSVR"

PS5 Pro offers the same type of improvement for both PSVR and PSVR 2.

"had 1GB dedicated memory for UI"

PS5 Pro has an additional 2GB.

"and of course the constant flow of all the amazing 1st party titles helped"

PS5 Pro has more than double (almost 3x) the number of supported games at launch. And of course every first party will support it going forward and the list of third party support is already better than PS4 Pro.

[Cacabunga]

Nothing nowadays comes close to Days Gone, God of War and Uncharted 4.
3x supported games at launch?
I played and already finished most of them.

[Einhander1972]

The PS5 Pro is awesome, it's doing exactly what was expected and more. It's playing games 30 fps quality modes at 60 fps, adding RT to games that didn't have it, improving the RT of games that already had it, and even using the AI to enhance some games without even needing an update.

And the Pro has just released, it's only going to get better. I can't wait to see what games fully made for the console can do.

[dveio]

In your link, Richard Leadbetter has a fair point here.

While the PS4 Pro did introduce checkerboard rendering, 60fps and 4K to some degree, I really find PS5 Pro's impact much more refined and well-thought out.

Sure, the PS5 Pro is logically much more powerful than PS4 Pro, but I also feel like it's doing its job much better for what it wants to be.

And bear in mind that this is only the beginning and early results.

I think the PS5 Pro will spread the word and be doing just fine.

[MDTunkown]

Ps4 pro also introduced sata3 support so you could use ssd and loading times were noticeably shorter than on base console.

But things that folks don’t mention about ps5 pro is that it actually improves ps4 games by a lot with it dlss. PS4 gta4 looks much more sharper and colourful on ps5 pro

[kryteris]

checkerboard rendering was available on the ps4 basic and caught on when siege released as they came up with it.

[fr0sty]

PS4 Pro was more powerful on paper, being that it was literally the same GPU in PS4 doubled... but PS5 Pro introduces features that the base PS5 just isn't capable of, such as high quality ray tracing, 8k, and AI upscaling. So, PS4 pro did increase the raw power more, but in doing so it didn't enable any new features that you simply couldn't do on the base model.

[fr0sty]

Another thing PS4 Pro failed to deliver, 60fps on most games. PS5 Pro is already hitting that target.

[babadivad]

I gave my PS5 to my nephew months ago. Thinking of grabbing the Pro just so I'll have one.

[gold_drake]

ditto

[CornholioX]

I believe it's awesome. PS4 Pro was like a small expectation how the PS5 is gonna do. Now a small expectation with PS5 Pro how the PS6 is gonna be.

[InUrFoxHole]

Which do you feel offers more than the standard counter part?

[TheNamelessOne]

I also own a PS4 Pro. I loved it. An amazing console, for what it is.
Didn't buy a PS5. Didn't double-dip and get a PS5 Pro.

I feel bad for console only owners going forward. Your tribalism is taking affect.

[kryteris]

it should have been a replacement console instead of some upgrade which would have dropped the price being sole option.

[GamerRN]

Honestly, I've been using it a few days now, and I don't see much difference in any games that I play. Very subtle differences, and small resolution boosts.

HellDivers 2 felt no different, maybe slightly more stable in frame rate mode...

[bartfart]

Have you played any games with a pro patch? The difference is very noticable

[TheKingKratos]

You are probably the most honest Pro owner on this site now

They hype that thing to hell and back saying shit like Night and Day and Massive difference etc

When in reality it's exactly like you said.

[TheTony316]

The PS4 Pro was a bigger leap in raw performance but the PS5 Pro feels like a bigger leap overall thanks to PSSR and RT. Being able to get a near 4k image at 60 fps and even RT on a console is amazing.

[anast]

At this point Sony is just offering a product better than a PC for the price.

[S2Killinit]

This ^

[Michiel1989]

been happening since ps1 days but ok

[anast]

No longer competing with the Saturn, N64, 3DO, or Xbox: just Sony and MS Windows now.

[Michiel1989]

sony is competing with an operating system? Windows doesn't earn anything from gaming.

what do the 3DO, n64 and saturn have to do with getting more bang for your buck than a pc with a sony console which has been the case since ps1?

[Shiore2u]

Oh it's an absolute steal, so long as you have the convenience of a pre-existing head trauma to overlook long term costs with paying a middle man too much for games and to access your own internet you're already paying someone else to use. Don't forget to get the optical drive attachment to keep playing games you already bought, "play has no limits", I guess, unless you bought physical this whole time and want this thing, then it does? Forget about making your investment back, don't think just consume cause product.

[anast]

Or you could pay $700 for a PC that will barely run Skyrim...there's a trade off for everything.

My PC for work has already paid for itself within weeks, but gaming PCs are like boats, they look cool, but not worth the upkeep.

[Giblet_Head]

anast
"Or you could pay $700 for a PC that will barely run Skyrim"
Are you being dumb on purpose, is this all just a really bad attempt to troll?

[StormSnooper]

But you literally have to dish out huge sums to keep up with the newest PC parts and even then wouldn’t have the type of quality you get in consoles. Shot I love PC gaming, when I have a proper PC, but let’s be honest here, the electricity cost alone for a PC is outrageous. At least in my neck of the woods.

[goken]

The PS4 pro is great!
It’s better in the sense that it was priced lower.
This generation prices aren’t coming down at all.

[883]

Interesting because Digital Foundry of all sources, said in their review:
"Based on the titles we've played so far with Pro support, that combination works well, and thus far, I do think that PS5 Pro does a much better job in enhancing current generation games than PS4 Pro did back in 2016"
Oh - just saw another post with a link to the same quote but from a source referring to the Eurogamer article.👍🏻

[Agent75]

Is there a mass difference between the PS5 and PS5 Pro? I said mass difference. There's a mass of TV and monitor specs out there, which plays a major part. I'll be keeping my money for PS6.

[Killa78]

All you need is hdmi 2.1 spec, really. I can't think of a TV with hdmi 2.1 that doesn't support 120hz.

[__y2jb]

Let’s face it, n4g comments will always claim Sony hardware is 10/10 and overlook every single flaw.

[UnterArt]

Brand cultists are indeed a mentally ill bunch. Due to lack of a father figure growing up or something.

[CrimsonWing69]

I mean, I believe it, at least from what I’ve seen.

[isarai]

Yet way more expensive and without a disc drive

[Npugz7]

Just got my ps5 pro today and I noticed a difference right away even on games that are no pro enhanced.

[The-VG-shamman]

I purchased both at release date. and the honest truth is that ps4 pro felt like a huge leap based on the fact that it practically added near 4k quality to the games(the ones updated for the hardware) that were pretty much running a 1080p with 60fps or 30, i remember mass effect andromeda was releasing along side, it was marketed as the first 4k quality game to use its potential. Now with the ps5 pro i feel like we’re pushing the boundaries as well but in different aspects, the graphical upgrade is definitely there but we’re lacking release titles taking advantage of this improvement, with the coming titles i think we will be seeing the true potential of this console as well as after games update for the support and are better optimized. I think it’s too early to compare thus far. The last of us pro mode looks insane on the ps5 pro and dying light 2 looks so much more real time with even the lighting looks close to running on a high end pc (without a pro mode). In my opinion the only thing making people upset is the price and specs on paper, this thing is a beauty with untapped potential. Let’s give it time so we can have a better idea of it’s limits.

[Whitey2k]

Ps5 pro is like having a small factor pc but better if someone wants an affordable gaming experience