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PS5 Pro Is a Smaller Leap Than PS4 Pro, Says Dev; PSSR Is Better Than AMD FSR, on Par with DLSS/XeSS

Wccftech interviewed Gergo Horvath, a Graphics Programmer on Gaijin's Dagor Engine, about the PS5 Pro updates now live for Enlisted and War Thunder.

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lukasmain218d ago

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I've had a PS4 Pro since launch and it was absolutely awesome. I loved it. I've also got the PS5 Pro and guess what? It's awesome too.

Cacabunga217d ago

PS4 Pro made sense!!! Made 4K gaming possible, enhanced computing power for PSVR, had 1GB dedicated memory for UI and of course the constant flow of all the amazing 1st party titles helped.

I still have it and still using it to this day!

Einhander1972217d ago

@Cacabunga

"PS4 Pro made sense!!! Made 4K gaming possible"

PS5 Pro actually has 4k that often looks even better than native when PSSR is used unlike PS4 Pro which had checkerboard but often made the image more blurry.

"enhanced computing power for PSVR"

PS5 Pro offers the same type of improvement for both PSVR and PSVR 2.

"had 1GB dedicated memory for UI"

PS5 Pro has an additional 2GB.

"and of course the constant flow of all the amazing 1st party titles helped"

PS5 Pro has more than double (almost 3x) the number of supported games at launch. And of course every first party will support it going forward and the list of third party support is already better than PS4 Pro.

Cacabunga217d ago

Nothing nowadays comes close to Days Gone, God of War and Uncharted 4.
3x supported games at launch?
I played and already finished most of them.

Einhander1972217d ago (Edited 217d ago )

The PS5 Pro is awesome, it's doing exactly what was expected and more. It's playing games 30 fps quality modes at 60 fps, adding RT to games that didn't have it, improving the RT of games that already had it, and even using the AI to enhance some games without even needing an update.

And the Pro has just released, it's only going to get better. I can't wait to see what games fully made for the console can do.

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dveio218d ago

In your link, Richard Leadbetter has a fair point here.

While the PS4 Pro did introduce checkerboard rendering, 60fps and 4K to some degree, I really find PS5 Pro's impact much more refined and well-thought out.

Sure, the PS5 Pro is logically much more powerful than PS4 Pro, but I also feel like it's doing its job much better for what it wants to be.

And bear in mind that this is only the beginning and early results.

I think the PS5 Pro will spread the word and be doing just fine.

MDTunkown218d ago

Ps4 pro also introduced sata3 support so you could use ssd and loading times were noticeably shorter than on base console.

But things that folks don’t mention about ps5 pro is that it actually improves ps4 games by a lot with it dlss. PS4 gta4 looks much more sharper and colourful on ps5 pro

kryteris218d ago

checkerboard rendering was available on the ps4 basic and caught on when siege released as they came up with it.

fr0sty218d ago (Edited 218d ago )

PS4 Pro was more powerful on paper, being that it was literally the same GPU in PS4 doubled... but PS5 Pro introduces features that the base PS5 just isn't capable of, such as high quality ray tracing, 8k, and AI upscaling. So, PS4 pro did increase the raw power more, but in doing so it didn't enable any new features that you simply couldn't do on the base model.

fr0sty217d ago

Another thing PS4 Pro failed to deliver, 60fps on most games. PS5 Pro is already hitting that target.

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babadivad218d ago

I gave my PS5 to my nephew months ago. Thinking of grabbing the Pro just so I'll have one.

CornholioX217d ago

I believe it's awesome. PS4 Pro was like a small expectation how the PS5 is gonna do. Now a small expectation with PS5 Pro how the PS6 is gonna be.

InUrFoxHole217d ago

Which do you feel offers more than the standard counter part?

TheNamelessOne217d ago

I also own a PS4 Pro. I loved it. An amazing console, for what it is.
Didn't buy a PS5. Didn't double-dip and get a PS5 Pro.

I feel bad for console only owners going forward. Your tribalism is taking affect.

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kryteris218d ago (Edited 218d ago )

it should have been a replacement console instead of some upgrade which would have dropped the price being sole option.

GamerRN217d ago

Honestly, I've been using it a few days now, and I don't see much difference in any games that I play. Very subtle differences, and small resolution boosts.

HellDivers 2 felt no different, maybe slightly more stable in frame rate mode...

bartfart217d ago

Have you played any games with a pro patch? The difference is very noticable

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TheKingKratos217d ago

You are probably the most honest Pro owner on this site now

They hype that thing to hell and back saying shit like Night and Day and Massive difference etc

When in reality it's exactly like you said.

TheTony316218d ago

The PS4 Pro was a bigger leap in raw performance but the PS5 Pro feels like a bigger leap overall thanks to PSSR and RT. Being able to get a near 4k image at 60 fps and even RT on a console is amazing.

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anast217d ago

At this point Sony is just offering a product better than a PC for the price.

Michiel1989217d ago

been happening since ps1 days but ok

anast217d ago

No longer competing with the Saturn, N64, 3DO, or Xbox: just Sony and MS Windows now.

Michiel1989217d ago

sony is competing with an operating system? Windows doesn't earn anything from gaming.

what do the 3DO, n64 and saturn have to do with getting more bang for your buck than a pc with a sony console which has been the case since ps1?

Shiore2u217d ago (Edited 217d ago )

Oh it's an absolute steal, so long as you have the convenience of a pre-existing head trauma to overlook long term costs with paying a middle man too much for games and to access your own internet you're already paying someone else to use. Don't forget to get the optical drive attachment to keep playing games you already bought, "play has no limits", I guess, unless you bought physical this whole time and want this thing, then it does? Forget about making your investment back, don't think just consume cause product.

anast217d ago (Edited 217d ago )

Or you could pay $700 for a PC that will barely run Skyrim...there's a trade off for everything.

My PC for work has already paid for itself within weeks, but gaming PCs are like boats, they look cool, but not worth the upkeep.

Giblet_Head217d ago

anast
"Or you could pay $700 for a PC that will barely run Skyrim"
Are you being dumb on purpose, is this all just a really bad attempt to troll?

StormSnooper217d ago (Edited 217d ago )

But you literally have to dish out huge sums to keep up with the newest PC parts and even then wouldn’t have the type of quality you get in consoles. Shot I love PC gaming, when I have a proper PC, but let’s be honest here, the electricity cost alone for a PC is outrageous. At least in my neck of the woods.

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Warhammer 40,000: Boltgun 2 devs praise games like Space Marine 2 for "lowering the barrier"

Warhammer 40,000: Boltgun 2 developers discuss the huge success of Space Marine 2 and its effect on the series as a whole.

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Jingsing2d ago

How about an official level editor for Boltgun?

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Glen Schofield: Dead Space Wouldn’t Be Greenlit Today—Publishers Are Afraid to Take Risks

Sector sat down with Glen Schofield—creator of Dead Space and The Callisto Protocol—during the Game Developers Session (GDS) in Prague to discuss the evolution of the game industry, the current challenges of AAA development, and why it's become so hard to get original ideas off the ground in today’s risk-averse environment.

1nsomniac2d ago

It’s easy enough to say that, but why? It feels weird to me when developers say this but common sense would tell you everything about the idea itself should work.

The idea of the concept seems like a winner at whichever angle you look at it so why would publishers not greenlight it?

… it’s almost as if the majority of publishers are massively incompetent at their jobs. But there’s no surprise to anyone there.

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WILD HEARTS S Q&A - 'Switch 2 Is Closer to the Series S Than PS4'

Wccftech interviewed Koei Tecmo about their upcoming game WILD HEARTS S, gathering their first thoughts on the Nintendo Switch 2 console.

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Christopher5d ago

This new tech, in 2025, is more comparable to 2020 tech than 2013 tech.

*tip toes over that bar*

Also, why are all the comparisons to PS4 and not Xbox One?

Neonridr5d ago

PS4 is more powerful than the XB1, S2 is more powerful than both, so why not use the higher of the two?

Christopher5d ago (Edited 5d ago )

Probably because people who owned an XBO and not a PS4 don't really know what it means. The assumption is that everyone is as knowledgeable as journalists or gaming news junkies. Gaming is mainstream, that means that mass majority of people don't know these specifics, only online talking points.

And the PS4 and XBO are the closest in power systems we've ever had, so this 'more powerful' is so small, it really isn't the big talking point people think it is.

RaidenBlack3d ago

I'd rather add, Xbox One X can be used as a good metric to gauge if a said system is more powerful than last gen.

VariantAEC2d ago

It's pretty clear that Switch 2 isn't more powerful than PS4 Pro. Is the base model PS4 being beaten? Well, Switch 2 is hardly ever actually being compared to the base model PS4, but seeing as how it's yet to outperform PS4 Pro in basically any other way than loading data into RAM in video comparisons. I have to assume the individual developer being interviewed has very little experience with PS4 and Xbox One.

OtterX4d ago (Edited 4d ago )

Which is great for a handheld/hybrid! Some people still stick to Digital Foundry's PS4 comparison comment as gospel, back when they were just watching trailers and hadn't even had their hands on it yet.

With that said, this interview doesn't go into very much depth on this. I'd like to see more analysis, but so far I'm really impressed with the performance since I got mine on Friday. Truth be told, having a PS4 Pro level handheld is enough for me. Anything beyond is icing. I'm not looking to replace my PS5 or PC.

VariantAEC2d ago

In this case Digital Foundry is right. They didn't adequately explain or sound remotely confident when showing Switch 2's "visual" benefits in that HogLeg comparison was related to loading. Yes, sometimes two massive world segments can be connected by a smaller individual loading zone like how Jak 2 handled open world zones on PS2. There is a small room that in itself is it's own discrete loading zone that you wait inside as the next massive portion of the map loads in. Very common when going from Haven City to any part outside of the city owlr when descending into the sewers or entering the city from the outside or leaving the sewers. Anyway, the HogLeg skybridge loading zone is more detailed because Switch 2 could load in more varied textures. Models load pretty fast. It's probable that the decimated models that appear in the Switch 2 version were supposed to be visible on Xbox One and PS4 in that scene, which might be why they exist on Switch 2. Unfortunately, the same video showcased above shows PS4 Pro is basically ahead of Switch 2 in all other ways imaginable. Higher rendering resolutions with a sharper cleaner image, better effects quality, and a better distance all favor PS4 Pro. Both the Pro and Switch 2 seem to have a pretty solid 30FPS performance level.

MDTunkown3d ago

For how thin switch 2 is it’s impressive especially when it’s stronger than steam deck and cost less

Christopher3d ago

Steam Deck is cheaper at $399. Switch 2 also uses cheaper materials. See joycon drift still being an issue. You'll also save a ton more money on software alone with the Steam Deck.

Honestly, if the Steam Deck was released today, it likely would at least match the Switch 2 in areas where it outperforms the Steam Deck but still have more advantages. Main thing holding back the Deck is the cores and resolution, because it still has the better CPU and GPU otherwise.

Neonridr3d ago

@Christopher - I own one, no stick drift. My OG joycons never had drift either.

Steam Deck relies on FSR which is still inferior to DLSS. Not to mention that the S2 can push double the GPU performance in docked mode. Deck has more memory, which is nice.

I have both, but my S2 will be getting the lion-share of playtime in the near future. That being said, I can still appreciate being able to play my steam games on the go.

FinalFantasyFanatic3d ago

For me, the game sales/prices and flexibility of the Steam deck outweigh the cost of the system itself, but I'll probably get a Switch 2 anyway.

OMNlPOTENT3d ago

And the ps5 was comparable to a PC that could be built over 5 years before it came out lol, how do you think consoles stay affordable?

Christopher3d ago

You're actually proving my point even more.

badz1493d ago

@omnipotent

PS5 comparable to a PC built OVER 5 years before it came out? let's see...

the best mainstream PC combo back in 2015/2016 would be the i7 6700K ($350) + GTX 1080 ($600). Sorry, but that setup is never going to outperform the base PS5 in games, especially modern ones.

you done lying yet or still want to continue lying so your precious Switch 2 doesn't get hurt by facts anymore?

CosmicTurtle3d ago

It’s a tech article speaking about specs people who care about this will know. I did not own an XB1 but know it’s at a similar tech level as PS4. PS4 has a far greater sales footprint, it makes sense to use it.

ABizzel13d ago (Edited 3d ago )

Technologically it’s closer to the Series S….. Raster-wise it’s closer to a base PS4 which has been the point.

Why Switch 2 is better:
The much better CPU allows for higher FPS than the last gen Jaguar CPUs could ever produce.
The 12GB of RAM prevents the system from being bottlenecked in most modern games (even SS fails here)
The storage while not NVMe Gen4 speeds, is significantly faster than the HDD in last gen
It’s a RTX 3000 hybrid, and DLSS is a better upscaling solutions than all other consoles even PSSR currently, and significantly better than checkerboard rending.

This is where the PS4 & PS4 Pro comparisons come into play. Natively it can’t compete with the PS4 Pro, and really closer to the base PS4, but due to the better CPU, more RAM, faster storage, and DLSS it can upscale resolution, image quality, and performance to get close, match, or certain cases exceed the PS4 Pro, and rivals the Series S.

DLSS is really the saving force behind Switch 2 getting current gen ports to acceptable resolution quality, and NVIDIA and Nintendo did it at 10w, so kudos to them, because many of the AAA 3rd party games are and will continue to be native 540p - 720p upscaled through DLSS.

Also this game would benefit from DLSS.

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Sonyslave33d ago

I notice it always ps4 or ps4 pro but never xbox one x which is more powetful then the ps4 pro.

MDTunkown3d ago

And it’s also in someways stronger than series S. Xbox one x is a special console that was never fully utilised and has 1,5 times more teraflops than series s.

badz1493d ago (Edited 3d ago )

but the Bulldozer CPU is much weaker and inefficient compared to Zen2 used in the Series S

Neonridr3d ago

the CPU's were those crappy Jaguar based chipsets though.

jznrpg3d ago

Because most people don’t care about Xbox

repsahj3d ago

This is an ugly port, they should improve it more instead of releasing it early.

gold_drake3d ago

sooo ...

what this is telling us, is that it comes down to the game and the devs optimization.

VariantAEC2d ago

There are already several games on Switch 2 coming up short in side-by-side comparisons. Cyberpunk 2077, Fortnite, and HogLeg are just the first examples with the first game in this list only having better image quality due to DLSS and slightly more stable performance due to that lower resolution than last gen systems enabled by DLSS, but having simplified models at mid distances and fewer NPCs roaming around than on PS4 or Xbox One.