After a Tough Few Months, Sony Says It'll Keep Making PS5 Live Service Games

In a devastating statement issued today, Sony announced the closure of two studios it acquired under co-CEO Hermen Hulst’s tenure – but it’s not deterred it from chasing the live service gravy train. The executive said that “expanding beyond PlayStation devices and crafting engaging online experiences alongside our single player games [is key] for us as we evolve our revenue streams”.

[Valkyrye]

Dumb never learns.

[just_looken]

They want that one game to make all the money but if you spend hundreds of millions to make a billion how is that sound finical decision?

If you take into account the cancelled live service games the concord disaster there canceled mobile game and coming up the fair games disaster we could say they spent around 500million so i guess marathon is going to make 600 million in the first year to make it all worth while? like sure sony good luck on that.

Edit: Forgot that amazon secret level deal coming up for concord will that air how much did it cost?

[Cacabunga]

The idiot who is killing the brand as we watch.. keep it up buddy .. soon ps games on mobile as well. Mark my words

[just_looken]

@Cacabunga

Do not worry there on that right now

"PlayStation Studios Mobile Division operates separately from the console business, and is focusing on producing mobile titles using new or existing PlayStation IP."

https://www.gamesindustry.b...

https://www.theverge.com/20...

[Cacabunga]

Looken

I never read that before but I’m hating the fact I was right in my post.

Sad times indeed and not seeing them getting better…

[VariantAEC]

Honest question. Do you even read what you've written before clicking "ADD"?

[BeHunted]

Dumb is part of Sony's DNA

[Cacabunga]

This gen yes.. before no

[Sonic1881]

Aka Herman Hulst and Jim Ryan

[S2Killinit]

@Valkyrye
No you are the dumb one. MS’s recently announced that the acquisition of Activision means it has 20 1 Billion dollar franchises. These are live service games (gaas games). In fact MS is solely focused on gaas. Everything they make is made with an eye on turning it into a gaas game.

Sony is releasing single player games, (which I love them for) but they cannot live in a bubble unless they want to turn into Nintendo. If Sony wants to compete they can’t neglect service games because these make huge profits.

So yeah. You are the dumb one if you don't understand that, not Sony.

[thesoftware730]

S2,
" unless they want to turn into Nintendo."

They wish!

[maniacmayhem]

Just write "what about Microsoft" and move on. Everything else you write is either pure sony shill or lies.

[Cacabunga]

Most clueless message I came across in a long time..

Gaas making huge profit, you mean 1 out of 50 makes profit.. in the meantime we are waiting for something decent from their 1st party studios.

I would have sold PS5 2 years ago if not because of some decent third party games. (Dead Space, Silent Hill, SF6, FF rebirth, Stellar Blade, RE4, RE8)

With PS4 I can still play most 1st party games cross gen I still didn’t get anything out from buying PS5 just yet.

Ghost of Yokai?? It’s in a year I could wait until then and buy a bargain console to play it.

Grow up and learn to analyze better, put fanboy views to the side. I have almost 100 platinum the vast majority is Sony 1st party titles. This gen I only got plat of Astro 1.. rest is cross gen.. so yeah.. pretty deserted

[ChronoJoe]

I'm not calling anyone dumb but you're right. Sony can't ignore GaaS. These singleplayer games they release are all good and well, but these gas games have a stranglehold on player attention and the singleplayer space is getting proportionally smaller, each year.

If Sony don't find ways to generate that ongoing revenue and ultimately, captivate players with long-term connections to games they want to come back to, monthly, weekly, daily, there will be nothing left for them in 10, 20, 30 years time.

[Knushwood Butt]

Didn't get the Returnal plat?

[Sonic1881]

Fair games is up in the next round 😂

[TheNamelessOne]

We all knew that.
Doesn't mean the players, themselves, think it's a good idea.

[S2Killinit]

Yup, the players dont even know what they want. Helldivers is a service game. And it is great. It is critical that Sony competes in all genres. They cant allow MS to be the only one with gaas games (pretty much all they made is service games now).

[VariantAEC]

Everyone forgets the latest to enter the GAAS domain is PS. Nintendo even had Splatoon, but no one wants to talk about these comparisons honestly.

[ApocalypseShadow]

I'm going to leave this here just in case of approval. I find it interesting how gamers are blaming everyone under the sun and saying good riddance to online failed games or the developers. But not at all taking any blame for what happens. Sony's quest to make online games is because you were constantly asking for them. But it seems, only if it fits into your past memories of what online is supposed to be. I'm a single player gamer. I really don't care about online. But I do care enough to know that a lot of you share in the blame of Sony spending the time and money to give you what you want but in a new IP. You just like to shit on them when they don't fit your own personal wants and entitlement....

Here it is again slightly modified:

It's terrible that these developers are losing their jobs. But at the same time, gamers can blame themselves too for what happens. Acting like it's none of your faults the games tank. You shit on them before hand then act like you don't have any responsibility for their closers.

I blame Jim. I blame Herman.

But you all have to accept some blame as well. Point blank. A lot of you were asking Sony to make online games at the level of their single player games. You wanted Killzone or Resistance or Mag level of online gaming. If they had just tacked it on a single player game, you'd blame them if the single player game was not that long to play or didn't have enough content or whatever. You would then turn around and blast them for not having a road map of new content pouring into the online portion of the games. Wanting new weapons, new characters, new levels made for you on a consistent basis. Well guess what community? All that extra shit fed to you on a constant basis is what most of these live services are doing. That's LIVE SERVICE. Hell Divers 2 got it mostly right but I seen complaints about that game's content. You still complain.

You can please some of the people some of the time. But not all people all the time. You can't just blame them and leave yourselves out of it. I don't play online so I don't include myself into the picture. But looking from the outside, a lot of you wanted multiplayer games. They have tried to deliver that but in new Ips. And you shit on them. Maybe they'll take an existing franchise out of mothballs to deliver what you've been begging them to do. But don't act like you're not part of what happened to these games and developers. And it's dumb to think Sony should put all their eggs in one basket and only deliver single player games when there's gamers out there that play online and love it just as much as we love single player. Selfish much? Take a long look in the mirror. It isn't just because of money they are trying. You asked them to..

[P_Bomb]

I never wanted needed or asked for a hero shooter. I did ask for Factions 2 tho, but they cancelled that. As such, I don’t feel I owe them anything.

[-Foxtrot]

"I did ask for Factions 2 tho, but they cancelled that"

Even then people didn't ask for some ambitious Factions sequel which would end up being its own separate game, people just wanted an upgrade version of Factions continuing on from the first game but far more refined which you could have played in TLOU2 at launch.

[P_Bomb]

Exactly! Just keep it simple, count me in on that.

[S2Killinit]

You are proving his point. You want something, but only that thing, and bash it if its not exactly that. That is what he is saying.

[P_Bomb]

@S2
I’m under no obligation to support Concord. I’m not “shitting on them”. I certainly don’t have to “look in the mirror” like I’m the reason for the studio closure lol! That’s ridiculous. I’m not a bank with endless money. If Sony is that desperate, get a loan.

[Lightning77]

Huh? Sony revealed they were doing LS in 2021. They did it for expansion, variety and ways to get on PC.

Sony made these decisions themselves. Not some Twitter pole asking what do y'all think of us doing LS?

[S2Killinit]

MS just boasted that after buying Activision they have 20 billion dollar franchises. These are LS games. Why is Sony being singled out for making LS? Especially when at least Sony also makes quality first person games.

This whole fake outrage is interesting.

[CrimsonIdol]

Who asked them to? People on this site or just the vague "you"? AFAIK people on here have been holding up live service games as a punching bag for years rather than something to strive for. You know, it's like "Sony makes great story driven single player games and all M$ does is shitty live service games" or "I hate how Ubisoft injects live service crap into their single player games". That kind of thing.

[S2Killinit]

MS is solely focused on LS. They bought Activision precisely because of the LS franchises like diablo, call of duty, world of warcraft, etc.

MS recently boasted to having 20 Billion dollar franchises to a standing ovation, these are LS games.

Sony needs to compete or go obsolete. As a single player gamer who loves Sony’s single player games and vision for future of gaming, I want them to compete in LS space so that their vision of gaming doesn't lose out to MS’s pure LS future.

[CrimsonIdol]

Well there you go. Someone asking for more live service games from Sony. They Live!

[Knushwood Butt]

We sleep.

[Inverno]

Across various industries consumers are quite literally telling these companies exactly what they want. But these companies then behave like genies and give us what we ask for but not what we expect. You're right, last gen I remember seeing people comment how SONY should make more MP games. People's expectations were a new and improved MAG, a new WarHawk, new Twisted Metal, MP games of quality that match the standard of what we had the gen before. Instead they've put more money than ever needed into things that they didn't need to at all.

Factions didn't need to be anything other than just MP for Last of Us 2, blowing over 2 billion on Bungie was a colossal waste, putting out a paid hero shooter into a market dominated by f2p options wasn't exactly smart, but all those were their decisions. The consumer doesn't need to take partial blame cause the consumer isn't present in the decision making progress. As for people asking for more content faster, they call it "live service" because content is promised at a constant stream. This wasn't much of an issue when devs back in the day promised support and eventually put out more content that we were happy to wait for. The drip feeding of content breeds that kind of mentality.

[S2Killinit]

Are you also complaining about MS’s LS push? Call of duty is released, its live service, diablo too. Starfield, sea of thieves. You can keep going back, its all LS. So if Sony wants to remain competitive, they have to compete in all genres.

[CrimsonIdol]

Live service is not a genre. And I would argue that *SOME* distinction needs to be made between predominantly single player (or single player capable) games that include multiplayer and additional support over time and stuff like Fortnite and Overwatch. I think people don't mind having their games updated and additional options, that's not the issue. It's missing out on the core game in favour of JUST the live service elements.

To me there's a big difference between those games and Minecraft, No Man's Sky, Starfield, MS Flight Sim and the like. These are games I would play/buy just to play the game. I don't think anyone's upset that AstroBot is getting extra updates for custom levels and challenges to keep engagement, it's this shift to exclusively multiplayer experiences ENTIRELY designed around the live service model that I think rubs some people the wrong way.

I don't hate live service games if they're done right, but I don't think Sony needs to produce these games to stay competitive. They and Nintendo have been doing just fine on the backs of their single player behemoths. Their main problem at the moment is there aren't enough of them. There's only so many times that people will keep rebuying Horizon and The Last Of Us over and over, and this good game vacuum seems to be a direct result of the the pivot towards grindy multiplayer games.

[Eonjay]

Agreed. This is what myself and millions have actually asked for. I play online games and single player games and like both. There is however an entitled element to demand everything be catered to their own desires. They puff on nostalgia like it's a virtue and are trying to entrap Sony.

It isn't enough for these people to keep getting what they want, they have to actively work to destroy anything not designed for them.

They truly think that the world and everyone in it should revolve around them. They don't know how to back off. They are the Karen's of gaming. Entitled, obnoxious and non productive.

[MDTunkown]

What are you talking about ? Nobody asked them for an overwatch clone while that genre is dying. It’s also 2024, there are tons of different multiplayer games around and most are free also most mp players sticks to one game. I also seen a lot more people been asking Sony for days gone 2 than multiplayer.
Then you ad:
“I don't play online so I don't include myself into the picture.” You don’t know what you are talking about but you can’t be blamed, it’s everyone else fault. Good job.

[S2Killinit]

They made a game and it was a miss. You were not the target audience. This is perfectly understandable. What are you having a glitch about?

[crazyCoconuts]

Even if there are people here asking for a game like Concord, do you think a Sony exec is reading that comment and making decisions based on it? I certainly hope not lol
Before investing millions, extensive market research is done to understand who your potential customers are and how much they'll spend on your game. It's all on Sony.
I'm sure they're aware of the concentration of online gaming and the risks of trying to break into that space with a new game. But they chose to accept the risk. Were they too cocky? Did they miscalculate the risk? I don't know. But it's certainly not due to our casual conversations on message boards about what kind of games we'd like to see

[thesoftware730]

Shadow, This again?

What a stupid argument!

what you are saying is a problem, and blaming gamers doesn't apply.

Here is an elementary example,
If I ask for a 20oz Rib Eye steak at a restaurant, and they bring me a dry-ass piece of meatloaf...guess what? I'M NOT GONNA EAT IT, and I sure as hell ain't gonna pay for it!

# 2 just to drive it home.
Gamers loved Rocksteady and the Arkham series, and even if the quality of some of the titles went down a bit, they are still very solid games. If another one was made, it would have a nice audience willing to buy and play it. You know what we got instead? The terrible, Suicide Squad:KTJL, a game no one asked for at all! So it flopped hard.

The bottom line is gamers want good products and they want what they want, and that is not a problem, that is how shit works. Sony is known for extremely good Single-player games, and that is what the fanbase loves. They are very inconsistent with that type of game for over a year now(1st party) but manage to shove out Gaas bullshit, its not even Gaas fault, Concord was crap! You are literally blaming gamers for wanting Good products, and not shit...It's not one gamer's fault that Concord sucked ass, and it's not one gamer's fault that Sony wants to increase revenue using Gaas, it's literally a company decision.

[Armaggedon]

Gamers dont take accountability, that much has been shown.

[cloganart]

You do have to consider that N4G here is a quite minuscule group that mainly focuses on Single Player experiences.

It's a much smaller microcosm that appreciates Campaigns more than a lot of the Online players.

The comment section has been critical of GaaS since... damn, since the site launched I think. We've had some Destiny love when it launched first but that was it.

[Knushwood Butt]

You very occasionally see Fortnite related news sneak through here, and if it does NOBODY comments on it. So nobody is interested in Fortnite?

[VariantAEC]

It is also the shareholders that are pushing this and for some reason open free stock trading comes with strings attached like satisfying the needs of investors over the customers companies are actually trying to appeal to.

[Knightofelemia]

So learning a lesson from Concord was a no go time for round two?

[Lionsguard]

Fairgame$ is up next to die.

[Eonjay]

We haven't even seem it yet.

[Cacabunga]

Sony Bend as well

[just_looken]

They did learn what was the lesson?

How to recall a game on mass via PlayStation 5 and steam

[S2Killinit]

What do you mean? You mean if a LS game didnt hit, they have to stop making LS? Wtf.

Because Concord was bad, Sony shouldn't have made Helldivers?

Also, MS only makes LS. Almost everything they have is LS. They boasted that after buying Activision they have 20 Billion dollar LS franchises.

But Sony isnt allowed to make their own? Wtf.

[-Foxtrot]

"Single player games are taking longer to make and costing more money than ever"

Yes because they think every game needs to be some AAA technical marvel which has super ambitious goals when what we could have is games similar to Astro Bot

There's two teams usually in most of their studios, why can't one be the AAA team and the smaller team be the AA one? The AA team could do a brand new IP or take some of their old IPs like Ape Escape, Dark Cloud, Legend of Dragoon, Jak and Daxter, Parappa the Rapper or MediEvil for example which most likely won't need some insane budget.

[Tacoboto]

I'd be more than happy if Naughty Dog could craft bangers closer to the lengths of the original TLOU and Uncharted trilogy.

Crazy that we got all four of those, and Left Behind, in just the PS3 era alone. Surely their shorter lengths helped push them out quicker and with more focused stories. It felt like a win-win.

[-Foxtrot]

Also you have to think apparently the PS3 architecture was a bitch to develop for but they still managed all of those games always pushing each one. The glow up from Uncharted Drakes Fortune at the start of that gen to The Last of Us during the last year before the PS4 came out is insane.

[Knushwood Butt]

Just curious but if you couldn't list Astrobot above, which game would you use in its place?

[-Foxtrot]

Puppeteer maybe but that was the PS3 days

I think my point is they acted like it was AAA or the highway and then you have Astro Bot recently which shows that great AA with a reasonable budget / team size is doable.

[Knushwood Butt]

Sure, but Puppeteer was more like a hidden gem that slipped under the radar. It wasn't a critical darling like Astrobot, and nor did it sell much.

I'm not actually convinced Astrobot has sold that much despite topping a few charts briefly. Where are the legs? In the latest UK chart, Mario Kart, a 7 (?) year old game is in the top 10, but Astrobot isn't.

Anyway, I'm not trying to crap on Astrobot, but just don't believe it's the great financial success that some make it out to be. Nor do I see other studios having the same kind of critical success by trying to catch lightning in a bottle.

[XiNatsuDragnel]

You guys never learn how many times old man? Fr tho just make astro bots or smaller single player ips, even small ratchet and clanks but why do the definition of insanity.

[Lightning77]

As I said they're not gonna start canceling more LS left and right. Jim spent 2.1b$ on LS R&D.

https://www.vgchartz.com/ar...

Thats a crap ton of money. Yes Sony wants to see it through to the end. They don't want that money going down the drain.

[TheNamelessOne]

They're on a great track record to make that money back, so far.
If I was an investor I'd be screaming to take the hit and stop before more damage is done.

[S2Killinit]

MS spent 82 BILLION to BUY the LS games Sony is trying to MAKE themselves.

Thats a crap ton of money.

And Sony still making single player quality games. If Sony wants to compete in all genres, they have every right. Unless Sony wants to go obsolete, they would be wise to have their own LS games.

[Lightning77]

What's this have to do with MS and my statement? MS didn't buy 80$ in strictly Live Service, they have sp games like Avowed, Doom, Indy, South Of Midnight and Clock Work. Either way I don't know what this has to do with MS.

"Unless Sony wants to go obsolete, they would be wise to have their own LS games."

Besides the obsolete part you just made my point. You having a melt down or something?

[Sciurus_vulgaris]

Is Sony tryinh to produce their own Fortnite or COD:Warzone level GAAS title? If so producing, marketing and establishing such a game won’t be easy. We’ve seen plenty of GAAS release to nowhere near the success of Fortnite or COD:Warzone, even if they said titles are well reviewed.

[jBlakeeper]

The problem is tearing players away from games like Fortnite. There are already established games in the live service games industry and I believe studios have lost their window to capitalize on live service games. It’s extremely unlikely for Sony to ever make a live service game that is as profitable as Fortnite, Warzone, or GTA online. Far too many established players in the live service game to even properly compete against them.

[S2Killinit]

Doesn't mean they should just give up. If Sony wants to compete, they have to compete at all levels. Especially when MS acquisition of Activision gave them what they wanted, which was LS games.

Up until now, Sony has been able to beat MS, despite MS outspending them at every turn.

So far Sony has had at least one LS hit which was Helldivers 2. And I bet you, the next Helldivers will be a bigger, and more funded game than Helldivers 2.

[JEECE]

People are so selective with the lessons they want Sony to learn. They are supposed to abandon live service games because Concord flopped. But Helldivers 2 is live service and it is still the Number 2 best selling game of the year in the US (the new COD will pass it now of course). And were it not for the first college football game in two console generations launching this summer, it still would have been number one until COD passed it. So they are supposed to pay attention to us voting with our wallets on Concord, but not on Helldivers 2?

It's going to take several more live service failures for them to change course. Vote accordingly.

[Knushwood Butt]

Not sure why you are getting disagrees. This is perfectly logical and is backed up by data.

[JEECE]

Because people advancing the "vote with your wallet" narrative don't like to be reminded that they haven't voted consistently. People love to say Alan Wake 2 didn't sell huge numbers because Remedy didn't release a physical version of the game until way after launch, and that it should be a lesson to devs/pubs that gamers won't accept digital only releases. If you point out that gamers bought Baldur's Gate 3 in huge numbers when it was digital only (it has a physical edition now, but launched digital only and was a hit), they will get very annoyed at you.

I agree that, based on what we have seen, both Fairgames and Marathon look to be in trouble. But I can also see a world where there is a preview for Marathon next year and everyone gets hyped and it turns into a "Bungie is back" situation and becomes a big game. In that case of course, gamers will cite Fairgames' failure but ignore Marathon's success.

[Hofstaderman]

They can make it, I'm not buying it.

[Bathyj]

Just don't put all your eggs in that basket.
Dance with who brung you.

[Chocoburger]

Sony is on for a rude awakening once Fairgame$ and Marathon release. Eventually they will learn their lesson. At least I hope so.

[Eonjay]

If these games are good and we'll made like Helldivers they deserve to be successful. That is the lesson they should learn.

[obidanshinobi]

Suspect Marathon may do okay, probably will never be profitable though.
Fairgame$ is going flop so hard it's going to hilarious.

[Christopher]

Shouldn't we wait to actual test the reality of the games before we say anything like this? I'm not even close to a fan of Live Service games, but seems premature to call them all failures or the like. I think it hits harder when we have Concord moments rather than just online ramblings about games we haven't even played.

[Elda]

When mom used to say...A hard head makes a soft ass...or in other words...they are going to learn sooner or later.

[jBlakeeper]

They want one money printing live service game so they can take a seat and coast like Rockstar games. Ever since GTA online became a massive money printing machine studios have been chasing the live service train. Sony promises they aren’t giving up on single player games but you can bet that if they ever have a cash cow like GTA online they will make significantly fewer single player games than now.

[jwillj2k4]

Apparently they have an appetite to lose even more money.

[jwillj2k4]

It Sony fucks up their money again because of these stupid decisions then they deserve it. Nothing wrong with a first party trying one or two live service games a year but they keep putting all their eggs in this frail ass basket. We keep telling them what we want, but they refuse to listen.

[jjb1981]

Live service has a stigma attached to it because people don't like to have MTs shoved in their face when they play an online-only game. People also don't like to buy Map Pack DLCs that divided the community because not everyone wants to buy them. I miss the days of Uncharted 2 MP. That was a solid game without all the MT nonsense. I also hated spending $50 on a CoD season pass to never play the new maps that a lot of the community didn't buy. There's a certain balance that most games fail to maintain. There are just many more negative outcomes to live-service releases than positive ones so a majority of gamers crap on their faces. We are a tough group to please.

[JEECE]

It's nice to see someone acknowledge the problem with multiplayer. If it's a live service, it gets attacked for being a live service. If it's not a live service, the playerbase falls off a cliff because the devs didn't "support" the game and instead "sent it out to die." If you tried the old school multiplayer thing of selling map packs, it would fail harder than it used to, because now everyone is a accustomed to not buying maps. BF1 is the last big multiplayer game I can remember that tried to sell maps, and it was always way harder to get matches on the newer maps, and it would be worse now because even the people who used to buy maps have been conditioned that maps are free.

And even if a game finds a good cadence of maps, they also have to introduce heinous, grindy progression systems, because people can't just play games for fun gameplay now, they have to be "earning" something by filling up progress bars.

[jjb1981]

I know exactly what you mean. It's the constant desire to level up and even more so with rewards attached to those levels, aka, the Battle Pass. These games do need a constant flow of income to continue to be supported later on in their lifecycle.

[BABI-PANGPANG]

What's the definition of insanity again? Right, doing the same thing over and over expecting different results. And it’s not the execs who pay for it; it’s the game devs who were just following orders.

I was laid off last November during a wave of cuts—it honestly felt like a slaughterhouse in the office that day. Since then, I’ve been on LinkedIn almost daily, watching as the industry keeps collapsing. With layoffs and closures happening at this rate, a lot of talented people are ending up in mediocre jobs or having to retrain in other fields just to make ends meet. I already see it happening with ex-colleagues who were so eager to get their careers going.

On the flip side, there’s still a bit of hope. I’m seeing new studios pop up, started by industry veterans who are probably wise enough to stay independent if they can make it work financially.

[Armyofdarkness]

Reminds me of WB. Massive success with Hogwarts, massive failure with Suicide Squad. Continues to focus on GaaS. Idiots man, damn idiots. That "alongside our single player games"-line is sketch as fuck. If they somehow get a massive success ala Fortnite or one of the other big live titles, what incentive do they have to still make single player games on the scale they are doing now in the future? Thats lose lose for them and a big risk. Spiderman 2 had a ridiculous budget (315 million total or something along those lines) and sold very well but still didn't move the needle when you compare the marketing, dev cost, licensing etc. They had to sell 7.2 million copies to break even.

[Zenzuu]

It would've been much better for Sony to bring back games like Infamous, Socom, Ape Escape, Jak & Daxter, Siren, Sly Cooper, Killzone, Twisted Metal, Little Big Planet, Gravity Rush, Motorstorm, Wild Arms, Resistance, Wipeout, Alundra, Colony Wars, Cool Boarders, Knack, Syphon Filter, Dark Cloud, Omega Boost, The Legend of Dragoon, G-Police, The Getaway and so on instead of live service crap like Concord.

They could also work with third parties developers to bring these franchises back like Parasite Eve, Dino Crisis, Ridge Racer, SSX, Tenchu, Jade Cocoon, Xenogears, Nightmare Creatures, Vagrant Story, Shadow Hearts, Driver, Breath of Fire, Tomba, Legend of Legaia, Okami..etc

[staticall]

- Don't stick a fork in that outlet, you're not going to like it
- I'll do it and you can't stop me
- No, it'll zap you
- Watch me! *bzzzzt*
- See? I told you. Did you learn your lesson?
- I'm still gonna do it!

[MDTunkown]

Good job Sony, that’s exactly what we wanted that why concord became the best selling game of 2024

[Rangerman1208]

Everything Hermen says can be easily summarized as "Yeah it sucks but I don't care, I want money."

I wish the best for Firewalk and hope they'll lans good jobs in the future. Despite my gripes with Concord, I was really looking forward to see if Firewalk was willing to learn from their mistakes and give sus the Concord game we all wanted. But alas...

[shaenoide]

Happy to NOT buy any of this bullshit. PS5 is the first playstation console I regret deeply buying it.

[vTuro24]

At this point I'm just curious to see what other concords they can cook up for the memes.

[Toecutter00]

Use your mobile gaming division and leave consoles out of it. If you end up with a success, you can always port it over afterwards.

[isarai]

Go ahead see what happens 😒

[Rockstar]

Einstein defined insanity as doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. Don't fall into this trap because you'll have a hard time getting out of it.

[NealGamby]

Sony would cut off their head to spite their neck. How about just go back to concentrating on AAA exclusive titles! Can we please do that? Thank you.

[maniacmayhem]

And why wouldn't they? Not every game from Sony is going to be God's gift and you just don't give up because a game failed (even though they did give up on Firewalk).

But Sony and the industry knows that live service games are here to stay and provides millions in profit and player engagement.

They should definitely try their hand at this again, maybe take one of their known popular IPs and turn it into a live service game. Lord knows they have many to choose from.

[anast]

Like a shotgun, something will finally hit

[enkiduxiv]

This is actually good news. Hulst needs to go. If he doubles down, he will be out the door even faster. Hopefully, the next exec learns from the mistakes that killed Ryan and Hulst.

[gold_drake]

sigh.

heres the thing. if the games were actually fun and not copy and paste hero shooters, i wouldnt mind as much

if the monetization wouldnt be so ridiculous, i wouldnt mind. but alas it is.

but these companies dont understand what makes fortnite or zzz so popular.

they want easy money, fast money. amd we have seen that this concept wont fly anymore.

so, get a grip sony. u wanna make live service games, make them right.

[MetroidFREAK21]

Of course... money

[CrimsonWing69]

Why!!!!???? F*cking unbelievable!!! This is literally going to war with your consumers.

[TheColbertinator]

That princess will never be in a Sony castle

[jambola]

I really hope this is just some bad shit before a resurgance
so until then, hope this crap flops harder and harder

[SeTTriP]

Ok, besides what single player games?

[Becuzisaid]

I just got a steam deck. I might be fine with PlayStation forever, it's a game changer for me.

[Demetrius]

Exec/management want that quick pay, micro transactions, that quick cash smh. The gaming industry is in shambles like a mf right now. Online only games, half finished update later type shhi. Copying and pasting the souls formula. I dont understand the devs who actually have creative freedom but they rather slack and copy fromsoftwares. Those soul likes always end up forgotten too and folks I talk about games with barely even know bout em but they know about elden ring etc.

[Notsofast]

Their is nothing wrong with live service games as long as they put real effort into making something slightly different concord was not a bad game but was just a copy of over watch 2 and they would have been better off just making a socom and war hawk and killzone and resistance mix game live service multi player that would update each game every few weeks a lot of people liked hell divers

[Nacho_Z]

It's funny how investing money in SP games made them big money and built the reputation their brand is known for, investing in GaaS has lost them a fortune and semi destroyed their reputation, but they're still cracking on with it.

They need to get a grip. They want 80% of their resources working on new SP projects and leave the remaining 20% to have a pop at hitting the jackpot.

[LucidIllusion]

Guys just let Sony suffer from their poor choices until they get it