PSSR AI upscaling looks set to compete with Nvidia’s DLSS - while AMD falls behind yet again

The brand new PSSR AI upscaling method built for the PS5 Pro appears to defeat AMD’s FSR 3.1, taking a leap closer to Nvidia’s DLSS - perhaps giving gamers another reason to purchase Sony’s enhanced console.

[Tacoboto]

If PSSR ends up being a preview for FSR4, that makes me excited for when we'll get the generational-leap forward in AMD tech for handhelds.

[just_looken]

It is nice amd fsr works on all cards unlike xess/dlss but this only fsr is doomed is such crap like hello media every console this gen and next gen is using amd apu's they make money no matter what.

[Jin_Sakai]

FSR4 will likely be worse than PSSR and DLSS. AMD usually lags behind the competition.

[DarXyde]

Yeah, but PlayStation isn't exactly competition for AMD, is it? I would think they have a pretty symbiotic tech relationship. PSSR implementation on PS5 Pro is a good test run for how to improve FSR.

More importantly, it's all AI driven. Most likely, updates are possible.

[just_looken]

@DarXyde

How can sony compete? they do not make the playstation 5 apu/igpu this is just software unless sony fans now think playstation owns amd and is making the ps5 chip set/apu.

Amd has 0 care about the market/competition they got all those mobile handled's using there tech and another 8 years for consoles.

All amd would do is like hey sony you can't use our chips anymore then its bye bye pssr but amd will never say no to millions of dollars.
https://videocardz.com/newz...

[DarXyde]

just_looken,

I'm going to sound like a dick and I don't mean to be, but I genuinely find your posts a bit tricky to read because you don't use any punctuation. Spelling and correct grammar/syntax (generally) I don't care about, but I feel compelled to mention it because it is tedious and I want to read comments on articles I read. Contrary to the down votes you often get, I do like to hear from (almost) everyone, including you. As a courtesy to the reader, I'd appreciate that adjustment, mate.

Now then, onto the content of your response to me...

Just to be clear, I'm not saying Sony is competing with AMD. I'm just responding to Jin talking about FSR as being "in competition" with DLSS and PSSR—DLSS, yes, but PSSR is an innovation borne from Sony and AMD working on it together. I'm saying that AMD helps Sony quite a bit, but I think the collaboration leads to a great exchange of insights and I wouldn't call that competition. It really is collaboration more than anything.

[darthv72]

Jin... I think AMD helped with the creation of PSSR. It is their chips used in the PS5, so it only makes sense.

https://www.tweaktown.com/n...

[darksky]

FSR4 might be even better than PSSR since AMD wil have more die space to play with on Radeon gpu's. The PS5 Pro gpu is constrained by cooling in a tight space while pc gpu's are not.

[derek]

@just_looken, you are wrong. pssr is hardware based ai upscaling it is not software based, making it different from fsr and more like dlss.

[piroh]

Playstation did it again🙂

I want this monster in my house

Thank you Team PlayStation

[TOTSUKO]

I know little about this tech but how viable is it to implement this to the classic emulation? Like I wouldn’t expect a miracle but how much of an upgrade can Ai help a ps1/ps2 emulated game for an example?

[PRIMORDUS]

Nah, for high end gaming PC for take on the go Switch and maybe Switch 2 next year. This is all I need along with my Raspberry 4 for emulating thousands of roms of classic consoles. 😛

[dveio]

Since I'm not really into this race of which technology is better (I don't want to downplay if people care, either), I'm just simply thrilled about new tech that gets introduced into game development.

If, no matter PSSR or DLSS, all of them improve more hardware ressources to be used by developers compared to earlier generations of videogames, then that's a good thing no matter what.

It's fascinating to imagine even now already what's in for games running on our OLED or Micro LED TVs once PS6 will have arrived.

Crystal clear 4K HDR ray-traced image at 60fps in 2028 playing a new God of War, Physint or GTA6? I'm in for that.

[XBManiac]

So... AMD need more software engineers, not better hardware.

[Hereandthere]

I told my bud if the ps5 pro were truly 33tf's, there would be no need for any artificial upscalers to get a game at 4k 60 with ray tracing on, the ps5 pro can't even run alan wake 2 at 1080 p INTERNALLY and upscaled to 4k with ray tracing on. its 864 p 30 fps. The ps5 pro is 17.5 tf's at peak, there's a reason why they aren't sharing ALL the ps5 pro's gpu specs.

[Einhander1972]

So all the serious AMD, chip leakers hardware analysts, and everyone elses who know the exact computational values of the parts then multiplied the clock speed and number of CUs, people who used math to come up with a measurement using pre-existing formulas were off by 16 TF?

Show your work, show us the formula you used to come to that conclusion.

[Eonjay]

You don't even have to include the Pro in your statement to understand how crazy it is with the enormous wealth of information out there. Cards with WAY more flops than the Pro will struggle with 4k 60 Native in a lot of cases especically when rendering with modern graphic engines and effects. Alan Wake is a heavy game, even to top 40 Series RTX cards.

[andy85]

Go see what PC card you need to run AW2 at 4K/60 with RT on. It won't be a 33TF card. There's always going to be a need when it has the same CPU. As long as the final image is great it's irrelevant it's PSSR that does the work.

[Ninver]

I have no idea about all this technical mambo jumbo. But I appreciate the efforts manufacturers and devs put in for our past time hobby. Keep on enhancing the experience!

[Father__Merrin]

Pssr v1. 0 is very impressive

[harv052]

If I had to guess, PSSR will be included in the PS6. I think I can wait until then, my PS5 does just fine for now! But good for those who can afford it now.

[Bathyj]

Your comment is a great example of how not everyone has to buy it but it's still going to benefit you when PlayStation 6 comes out because PSSR won't be in the first generation anymore and they will have had time to improve it.

I can't understand why people want technology progress to stand and still for eight years but then expect a huge generation or leap when the next console comes out

[andy85]

Exactly this. People whine for some reason when they have no intention to get one but it'll benefit everyone with a next gen console.

[DustMan]

AMD's current implementation of upscaling, and frame gen is software based. I think they've done really well not making everybody go out and buy a new video card to get access to some modern features. Their next iteration will be hardware based and I'm sure that will show truly significant performance. AMD didn't charge to upscale basically. $700 or free?

[XtraTrstrL]

When it comes to Gears, if for no other reason, this is great for the player count issue in multiplayer. Gears is a beloved franchise, but the player count has never been amazing, and with The Coalition taking over since Gears 4, it's only dwindled down further. So, having crossplay with PS5 now added to the Xbox/PC pool, would really put the game in a healthy spot player count-wise.